In October, a Google spreadsheet entitled “Shitty Media Men” was posted. The idea was for women to be able to post their experiences of sexual harassment by media men. The list took off, but the originator became concerned about the potential trouble it could bring her and others and pulled it after a day or so. Of course, nothing on the internet is completely gone.
The list was an outgrowth of the informal networks women have had to warn each other about harassers and a response to the revelations about Harvey Weinstein. The originator did not reveal her name. Yesterday Moira Donegan came out in an article in “The Cut.” Apparently there was quite a bit on the list, although I haven’t seen it.
Her coming out was in response to a planned article in Harper’s Magazine by Katie Roiphe. Roiphe made her name by arguing for the status quo in sexual harassment back in the 1990s. She doesn’t seem to have changed her mind much.
As word spread of the Harper’s article, Nicole Cliffe, editor of the now-defunct “The Toast” (which had some great interpretations of famous paintings and other good stuff), said she would pay writers who might have articles lined up at Harper’s for their articles if they would pull them. Apparently some have.
Roiphe said that she did not know the name of the list originator, but Donegan says that a Harper’s fact-checker called her to ask if she was the one.
The New York Times has a long article with more details. It’s worth reading that and Donegan’s article before exploding in outrage one way or another. Roiphe’s article, undoubtedly undergoing massive revision, is scheduled for the March Harper’s.
The Times revelations about Weinstein opened up a can of worms. It’s about time that these genteelly protected rapists and harassers were outed. But it’s still not clear that it’s safe for women to do, hence the protection of their identities. The change in expectations is very sudden, although I’m sure that academics will be tracing a long history of attempts to end the acceptance of this mistreatment that have failed. Roiphe began her rearguard actions in the early 1990s.
It’s hard for men to process this, and a great many have taken advantage of their societal protection. The anonymity can be abused, but that is also an excuse that has been used to ignore the calls for help. Let’s see how Donegan is treated.
Scott S.
Any respectable publication should be ashamed of publishing anything by Roiphe. I’m astounded she’s not already been banished to Wingnut Daily.
Cheryl Rofer
Headline from that NYT article I linked.
Raven Onthill
Brianna Wu (reformatted for posting here; to see the original, look on Twitter):
Lit3Bolt
Let’s ignore the conservative propaganda outlet the NYT please.
Msb
Extrapolating from Gamergate, etc., I predict Donegan will be treated very badly. Would love to be wrong about this.
cosima
@Cheryl Rofer: OMFG with that headline. FTFNYT needs to be shamed and dragged and pilloried for that abusive headline, implying that a twitter campaign meant to protect the author of the list is purely a feminist issue, and equating feminist with hostile/aggressive vs Katie Roiphe.
I have said it before here, but it bears repeating for those raising girls, even if not as a parent, but as an aunt/uncle/grandparent/etc — the number one job that I have as a mother is raising an empowered daughter. A daughter who will not accept being marginalised, and demand equal pay and respect in all areas of life when she is on her own. A daughter who will not accept being viewed as a sex object, who will believe in her inherent worth regardless of what society in general, &/or men/women specifically, tell her. If girls do not learn that at home it is near-impossible for them to learn it otherwise. My mother never discussed any of that sort of thing with me, which is why it took me 30+ years to get over those hurdles on my own account. I discuss those things endlessly with both my girls, even our oldest, 27 and living a continent away from us. A couple of days ago Little Cosima (13 in a couple of months) asked me ‘what does feminist mean?’ — we talk about everything.
Society has a long way to go yet, but I think we are at least heading in the right direction on the issue of objectifying women, and normalising abusive &/or harassing behaviour. I was raised by a mother who valued beauty, her own and mine, and there was little about myself that I valued more than that for a very long time. I can be different as a parent, I am different as a parent. I like to think that I am not in the minority. But the parenting/attitude gains that are being made in my generation are probably being offset by the proliferation of social media platforms that enable the behaviours & attitudes that I am trying to protect my daughter from. Could be that I am Sisyphus. Time will tell. Our oldest daughter is a might feminist warrior, so I am hopeful.
Bobby Thomson
I think Harper’s was going to blink and this could expose other women after she is sued. I fear for her.
This did allow her to tell her own story in the way she wanted to tell it, though, and to defend what she did. That maybe could have been accomplished with an anonymous Q&A, but maybe not. What’s done is done.
? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?
@Cheryl Rofer:
That title is exactly something that I would see printed in a rag like the Daily Caller or Breitbart:
“Evil Feminazis Want to Ban All Men from Existence!: Anita Sarkeesian Seeks to Remake the Universe in Her Own Image by Triggering a Vacuum Metastability Event!”
Or something equally ridiculous.
Bobby Thomson
@Lit3Bolt: this.
MomSense
Wonder if this guy was on the list.
shock collar
germy
FTFNYT is simply horrible at everything. I’ve seen it argued that “ok, lots of their political reporting sucks, but they’ll still good at x, y, z” (maybe book reviews, arts, etc.)
After the Golden Globes awards, they ran a photo of Norman Lear with (according to the caption) an unnamed “guest.”
The guest they didn’t recognize was Rita Moreno.
They really suck at everything, not just their Maggie Haberman shit.
germy
Paul Krugman is good. And Charles Blow. I can’t think of anyone else.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
I think the entire 2016 election season and everything that has come out since then – #MeToo etc. has shown how everyone has underestimated the volume of mediocre white male fragility.
Betty Cracker
@MomSense: And it bears repeating: Sexist pigs like Achenbach, Thrush, Wieseltier, Rose, Lauer, Sullivan, etc., created the media lens through which the electorate viewed Hillary Clinton. It’s a wonder she won the popular vote.
Cermet
Freud’s first attempt to explain why so many of his woman patients had just huge mental health issues was that they had been sexually abused when they were children (This is around 1915 – 20!) The firestorm in his profession made him do a 180 and he, instead, came up with the ridiculous bull shit ID nonsense that was dogma for many years. Now convenient that was – even made him a household name.
Betty Cracker
@germy: I canceled my NYT subscription during the campaign because on balance, the NYT does so much more harm than good, IMO. But the paper does produce some solid and important reporting.
MomSense
@Betty Cracker:
I think we were all screaming mad about the coverage because we all know how broken our culture is when it comes to women. I don’t think we realized just how disgusting and abusive the actual media personalities were. I think we also now know why these media outlets weren’t running stories about Clinton’s enthusiastic supporters. We are probably too old and icky for those sexist pigs.
Cheap Jim, formerly known as Cheap Jim
@germy: Charlie Savage
geg6
@MomSense:
This.
bystander
I did enjoy reading that Fox has fired James Rosen, its chief DC correspondent, for harassment.
I also severed the FNYT after the election. I don’t regret it at all.
Uncle Ebeneezer
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: And the extent to which, just about everything in our society is designed to violently defend it at all costs. I’d say the same for White Fragility (all genders) in general as well (see: countless Trump voter apologetics articles), but yeah the “Male” part has been especially clear recently.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@MomSense:
Amy Siskind says the Democrats should invite all Trump’s victims to the SOTU. It’s a great idea and payback for that debate where they brought Bill Clinton’s accusers to humiliate HRC.
matt
@germy: it seems like the rest of them treat Krugman like shit.
germy
@matt:
I didn’t know that. Why am I not surprised?
Major Major Major Major
@Betty Cracker: yeah, it’s a lot more than its mostly-garbage oped page and often-GOP-slanted political coverage.
And the crossword puzzles!
Adria McDowell
The Grey Lady has sucked for quite some time (minus Krugman and Blow, of course).
Oh, and fuck Katie Roiphe.
libarbarian
Fuck that shit!
This is the internet.
I will NOT wait to be OUTRAGED!!!
O. Felix Culpa
@MomSense:
And, curiously, they still aren’t running those stories. Just Cletus safaris, over and over and over again.
MomSense
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
I just hope the women don’t feel too pressured. That would be an incredibly difficult spectacle to endure.
rikyrah
The cover of @TheEconomist. pic.twitter.com/HSXqbBjV5e
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 11, 2018
The new cover of @TIME. pic.twitter.com/EoCjcatYFZ
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) January 11, 2018
MomSense
@O. Felix Culpa:
We are the people who buy shit so it’s really stupid to ignore us.
schrodingers_cat
Despite the outward polish and respectability there is so much that is rotten to the core in our institutions, from elite media to one of our two political parties. Last election has dragged a lot of skeletons out in the open.
libarbarian
Drop Moon Rocks on all of them!!!
schrodingers_cat
@MomSense: If you are not an R, you are invisible to the political media in this country.
Tenar Arha
@Betty Cracker: I’ve been thinking about it.
There’s a part of me that is now “The NYT is GARBAGE” every time they f*ck Up. But there’s another part that really thinks they could be better. Which really explains why the part that now defaults to “GARBAGE” is so angry. Because I don’t want this deep pocketed paper to disappear, I want them to RECKON with what they’ve done, and until they do that, it’s “NOPE you’re still GARBAGE.”
rikyrah
Earlier thread on the selection of Kehinde Wiley and Amy Sherald to paint official portraits of President and Mrs Obama. The official unveiling is February 12 at the National Portrait Gallery in Washington. https://t.co/0xfGheZWVe
— meta (@metaquest) January 11, 2018
Portraits unveiled at an invitation-only ceremony at National Portrait Gallery. Painting of Michelle Obama goes on display in the Recent Acquisitions corridor through early November. Portrait of Pres Obama will become part of the permanent collection.
— meta (@metaquest) January 11, 2018
MomSense
@schrodingers_cat:
R from Wall Street is even more important to them.
schrodingers_cat
NYT also sucks when they review Hindi movies, their reviewer, sometimes doesn’t even know the basic facts about the people she is writing about, Rachel Saltz, is her name IIRC. Their coverage of Wall Street (financial markets) is pretty shitty too, I am looking at you Sorkin and Davidson. So they suck at politics but are great otherwise is not really the case.
schrodingers_cat
@MomSense: True. I have never seen WWC that votes D from Vt or MA covered in any of the national news outlets.
Kay
@schrodingers_cat:
Agreed. That’s why I get so impatient with “the unwashed masses are so terrible and dumb and they would be better if they were educated”.
Yeah, maybe not. Many of our elites are sort of low quality too and they had every advantage. We may need a top to bottom revamp. If there’s a silver lining to all this it may be everyone questioning everything- ALL the narratives.
Major Major Major Major
@schrodingers_cat: yeah our institutions have really turned out to be a lot shittier than I thought they were. (I guess i’d blocked out a lot of the Bush years.)
Major Major Major Major
@Kay: as an elitist I’m personally offended by how shitty our elites are!
Barbara
@Scott S.: Why do people keep hiring Roiphe? Because in her own way, Roiphe is like all those women working at Fox News who have such sterling educational credentials. They reassure all the boys in the room that there are really attractive and smart women who might growl but never bite and at the end of the day, make them feel good about themselves and their privileged role in the world. Having a well-financed and well-connected author for a parent also never hurt any aspiring writer. Just ask Caitlin Flanagan and Maggie Haberman.
And who is Anne Roiphe?
rikyrah
We warned about this: @HouseGOP passes massive tax cuts for corporations… Pfizer responds by ending research into Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s, laying off researchers, and buying back billions of dollars’ worth of shares. https://t.co/Id9Byjx7a3 #GOPTaxScam
— Rep. Pramila Jayapal (@RepJayapal) January 10, 2018
Amir Khalid
@germy:
There’s also Gail Collins, by far The NYT’s funniest columnist, who famously called den Scheißgibbon a “thousandaire”. Trump is still mad at her for that.
rikyrah
BREAKING: Trump has officially ended Medicaid as we know it, by allowing states to take health insurance away from people who can’t find a job.
(Please RT to spread the word.) 1/ pic.twitter.com/bXM6wLUxEq
— Rebecca Vallas (@rebeccavallas) January 11, 2018
rikyrah
PRESIDENT of the 15th largest private corporation in America (@PilotFlyingJ ) openly called African Americans “greasy niggers” in front of sales team.
They then sang this racist song, called “Nigger Lover” together DURING A COMPANY MEETING of execs
MORE: https://t.co/p4rXcQOxoz pic.twitter.com/GgrNSHCLJd
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) January 11, 2018
rikyrah
Insane. @realDonaldTrump willing to end NSA/FBI surveillance to find Terrorists & Spies in the USA?Is he hiding something so serious he would rather destroy US counterintelligence? https://t.co/xbjjmzaIsB
— Malcolm Nance (@MalcolmNance) January 11, 2018
This is the single most dangerous and irresponsible thing the President has ever tweeted.l, without hyperbole. https://t.co/ezQNvCzjoW
— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) January 11, 2018
Betty Cracker
@Tenar Arha: Yes — the paper is important enough to warrant anger at their shitty political coverage, which has been crap for many years now. The NYT matters because it’s influential and relatively deep-pocketed, as you said. Also, they still produce vital stories, despite people like Baquet and Haberman.
For example, the NYT broke the story about Papadopoulos drunkenly bragging to the Australian ambassador to the UK about the Russians having “dirt” on Clinton. The Trump admin, GOP congress, Fox News, etc., were more or less successfully weaving a narrative in which the Steele dossier triggered the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign until the NYT blew the lid off that story.
No Drought No More
Let’s see how Donnegan is treated if she’s got it wrong with even one male who isn’t what she claims him to be.
Amaranthine RBG
But FTFNYT, right?
Haven’t you heard? The NYT is all in for Trump!!!
rikyrah
THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 1/10/18
Block of conflicted Trump U.S. attorney pick likely to hold
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand’s block on a Donald Trump nominee to be U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York appears likely to hold, Rachel Maddow reports. The nominee, Geoffrey Berman is previously of Deutsche Bank, where Trump-related dealings are being investigated.
rikyrah
THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 1/10/18
Trump fails to protect US from future Russian attacks
Senator Ben Cardin talks with Rachel Maddow about how Donald Trump has dithered while other countries have taken measures to thwart future efforts by Russia to interfere in their politics
Major Major Major Major
@Betty Cracker:
This is exactly why I get mad when they produce garbage and when people dismiss the entire publication as garbage. They can do better and we deserve a better flagship (perhaps we don’t, “we get the media we deserve” Brooke Gladstone says, but we ought to do better). I don’t get mad when people say that about Fox or the WSJ.
rikyrah
THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 1/10/18
Fusion GPS still researching Donald Trump ties to Russia
Rachel Maddow points out that while the Trump dossier is everything Christopher Steele produced for Fusion GPS for that “particular engagement” but Fusion GPS is still researching Donald Trump’s ties to Russia and Steele may be involved as well.
rikyrah
THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW 1/10/18
Public interest in dossier has been validated: Buzzfeed
Ben Smith, editor-in-chief of Buzzfeed, talks with Rachel Maddow about the decision to publish the Trump dossier a year ago, and the legal entanglements that have followed.
kindness
The NY Times skews it’s reporting on purpose. It purposefully chose to suggest Hillary was a Manchurian Candidate from the bowels of hell and that Donald was a wily billionaire.
Fuck the FSM damned NY Times. I got a digital subscription to the Wa Po because even though they have awful boot lickers, they have significanlty less fluffers of conservatives than the NY Times.
Hell isn’t a good enough place for the media that has led this nation to where it is now.
schrodingers_cat
@kindness:
Frontline did the same thing in its special on the candidates a week before the elections.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@No Drought No More: Not her claims. She set up a Google Docs thing to allow others to report men who had harassed/accused/raped them.
She’s no more responsible for the other women’s claims than Facebook is for your crazy uncle’s fake news.
Regardless, she’s going to be treated just like Brianna Wu and Zoe Quinn and Anna Sarkeesian.
schrodingers_cat
@Barbara: Just how many nepotism hires populate our elite media. Was Halperin’s father a journalist too?
Duane
Speaking of shitty men, Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens has admitted cheating on his wife in 2015. He’s been accused of blackmailing the woman he was involved with to keep her silent.
Greiten’s an evil moron. He’s looked at Kansas and said,” That worked well. We should do that, too.” I so hope this ends his political career. Or any career. Hike the Ozark Mountains much, Governor?
Barbara
@Duane: This sounds like a redux of the Governor of Alabama, although perhaps before he was elected. Do you foresee any actual consequences?
rp
The FISA bill could use a front page post. I thought this Greenwald tweet about it was particularly insane:
Even if you don’t like the law, it’s incredibly dishonest to frame it as “handing Trump” power or to put the majority of the blame on Dems. Greenwald has become indistinguishable from most rightwingers: his philosophy is the opposite of what liberals want today, updated daily.
Milo
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: That’s true, except I will fucking never stop holding Facebook accountable for what they did.
Mathguy
OT, but extremely funny if you haven’t seen it. The ultimate conspiracy story:
https://twitter.com/owillis/status/950836669703483399
Cheryl Rofer
I’ll join Betty Cracker and Major Major Major Major. The New York Times drives news coverage, and it often does a good job. I link only to the articles I feel are among the good ones.
I will never forgive them, though, for their coverage of Saddam Hussein’s aluminum tubes and of Wen Ho Lee. The most immediate offense that they need to clear up is their “Halloween Special” from 2016, saying the FBI has no problem with Donald Trump, move along, nothing to see here. They eventually did limited mea culpas on the aluminum tubes and Wen Ho Lee. They’re still being defensive about the Halloween Special.
Aleta
Duane
@Barbara: Consequences? Sadly, no. IOKIYAR. He’s a Republican. God will forgive him, all will be well and the fascist will continue his efforts to decimate our state.
Cheryl Rofer
This is good, from a friend of mine.
schrodingers_cat
@Cheryl Rofer: All its “mistakes” help one party.
When Obama was President everything was his fault, now that we have an R president even his own actions are not his fault.
Deficits were the most important thing in 2009 when we were recovering from the market crash but now that Rs have made sure that there will be deficits till the end of time because of their tax cut, NYT is mum about it.
They flogged the emails story to death while the R candidate got a free pass, he was in their back yard for crying out loud. They chose not to report. There are fascist enablers, trust them at your own peril.
Cheryl Rofer
@Aleta: Here you go.
Lyrebird
@rikyrah: Thanks. Also from Kyle Griffin,
Here is the letter itself. It’s amazing. Companies on there that I love, companies on there that I hate, including Verizon, who’s hosting the public version of the letter.
WOW.
? Martin
@? ?? Goku (aka The Hope of the Universe) ? ?:
Breitbart doesn’t use ‘feminazis’. They think Nazis are the good guys.
For the record, I’m 1000% behind Donegan here. She’s got guts. The shitstorm about to descend on her I can’t even imagine, and is something I wouldn’t face as a white male under any circumstance.
HeleninEire
@germy: I just looked at the picture. DAMN, she looks good at 86!
rikyrah
Trump wants GOP allies to ‘take control’ of Russia scandal probe
01/11/18 08:00 AM
By Steve Benen
We recently learned that Donald Trump, feeling the heat as the Russia scandal was intensifying last summer, personally urged Republican lawmakers to end congressional scrutiny of the controversy. The president’s lobbying campaign targeted, among others, the Senate majority leader and chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
As we discussed at the time, when Congress is investigating a scandal involving the president, the president isn’t supposed to call lawmakers to pressure them to stop.
Yesterday, however, as Politico noted, Trump took his lobbying campaign in a more public direction.
Mnemosyne
OT, but I should have brought an extra sweater to jury duty. Ugh. Hopefully I won’t be here more than a day.
? Martin
@Lyrebird: A lot of California on that list. California isn’t afraid of immigrants. We got over that in the 90s.
Aleta
@Cheryl Rofer: Similar to what your friend points out:
(The point Matthew Garrett is making is hashed out in a different thread.)
Cheryl Rofer
Chyron HR
@rp:
Boy, it sure is weird how GG reverted to his Bush-era position of “I give the president the benefit of the doubt” as soon as the president was white and/or a Republican again.
Barbara
@Duane: It wasn’t okay for Bob Bentley, who was, admittedly, using state funds to conduct and then cover up his affair. However, it definitely takes Greiten out of the hunt for higher office.
Aleta
I hope Harper’s decides to reprint Moira Donegan’s article alongside the piece they’re planning. (Reprinting is already part of their style.) It’s clear and impressive.
Amaranthine RBG
A bunch of goddamned fuckwits pecking away at keyboards posturing about the imperfections of a real newspaper that does real reporting and nearly always gets the story right
schrodingers_cat
The wonderful NYT, created this media monster by giving her a platform when she was 25.
Gin & Tonic
@Amaranthine RBG: Don’t you have someplace you have to be?
Jay S
@Cheryl Rofer: Well here she’s admitting what I thought was happening, given Donagan’s description of events. Roiphe didn’t have enough corroboration to name her, so she used “fact checker to try and convince her that she knew who it was. I’m guessing the draft named her in some way and she used the fact checkers as a way to get her to commit. That’s probably why Roiphe claims not to have known who it was. She knew with some certainty, but she didn’t have the sources that the magazine would require. I hope this is not common in publishing, but I fear it is. In no way does it justify this outing, however common it might be.
debg
@Cermet: And he was right. Can’t remember the details now, but there’s proof that he knew the women HAD BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED or ASSAULTED. Grrrrrr.
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Oh hai. I was wondering when you were going to show up to defend the tattered honor of the Grey Lady even after we found out that they rejected the Fusion GPS story in favor of the one that claimed the FBI had exonerated Trump of any Russian ties.
The saddest part is, you seem to have no clue that you look like an utter clown for defending the indefensible.
Mnemosyne
@Gin & Tonic:
This is where he’s supposed to be, comrade. Just like he was knocking on doors for Kathy Tran in Virginia from his home in Sacramento.
Jay S
@Aleta: If Harper’s does reprint it I would hope it is with a follow up as to how this has played out in her life. Harper’s helped light a match that will likely bring a firestorm to her.
debg
Donegal’s brilliant piece is inspiring me to rework some of my college lecture notes into a long-form article. When I was teaching ancient/medieval/early modern European-Mediterranean history, I came across some fabulous resources that shaped my thinking about gender roles in times past. Highlights:
Athenian society encouraged men to think in terms of good women and bad women. Respectable women had protection but little scope for independent action; bad girls had the opposite.
The Latin word abductio usually gets translated as rape, but it blurs the line between women who are sexually assaulted versus women who choose to run away with a lover without their father’s consent. In the latter sense, dad’s the victim because it was his right to choose daughter’s mate.
There’s a whole visual code for rape versus consensual sex in European art. That says a lot right there.
P.S. Oliver Willis needs to publish that twitter thread as an essay. It’s fucking hilarious.
Uncle Cosmo
@I’mARanting POS: You could make more productive use of your time than trolling here.
E.g., you could take an online course in how to fire a loaded shotgun with your big toe (choose either) while the barrel is in your mouth. One with a practicum for a final.
Tenar Arha
@Cheryl Rofer: Ugh, I read that and was *facepalming forever*
She may teach journalism, but she’s obviously not a good journalist. And of course she contradicts the different story she gave to the NYT.
& oh Lordy, her ratio, OMG!
tam1MI
Point of order: Under the Al Franken Rules, the author of the Shitty Media Men spreadsheet was not “outed”. She simply chose to come forward of her own accord, and any actions that may have forced that decision are irrelevant to the discussion.
#NotGonnaForget
Aleta
@Jay S:
sharl
@Cheryl Rofer: OMG, haha! Her very first tweet, and she gets introduced to The Ratio. For you folks not familiar with twitter, being “ratioed” is a strong indicator that your tweet is not being well received, and that posting it was probably a bad idea, as David Roth explains here.
VeniceRiley
I’m blocked from Twitter on my work pc, but I see interesting things happening on my phone. Donegan’s piece was epic, thanks for linking it. Tangentially, Melissa McEwan had a twitter encounter with a WaPo dudebro that she posted to Shakesville.com and it pretty much spells out what is wrong with Media Men. The actual men, not the list.
tybee
@Mathguy: fookin’ brilliant.
EthylEster
@Kay:
Yep. And the journos are some of the worst.
I read the Roiphe/Donegan coverage in the Times and found it underwhelming and confusing.
For me this is a trend in NYT and WaPo…an explainer that does not enlighten. Often the who, what, where, when, if present, are buried. And the syntax is so garbled and pronouns used so ambiguously only one who is already familiar with the story can follow the writing. Plus why are these two papers padding their subject matter by writing articles that summarize other articles in the very same issue of the paper?
Quite often reading either of these so-called papers of record makes my skin crawl…because of the poor writing and lack of reasoning. We are doomed.
EthylEster
@rikyrah: That’s my rep you are quoting!
Duane
@Barbara: I never thought Greitens would be governor. He’s a genuine sociopath. I wonder what it takes to wake Republican voters. They seem to like the most vile candidate available.
EthylEster
@Barbara:
Ha, ha, ha.
You must not get out very often.
He’s a repub and the wife is standing by her man.
This nothing that a call for thoughts and prayers can’t fix.
sharl
@Cheryl Rofer: As suggested in the replies to the first tweet there, that account may be counterfeit. Roiphe’s actual twitter account may be @KARoiphe; there has never been a tweet from this account, but it links to what appears to be Roiphe’s actual home website (link in twitter bio at the left).
Counterfeit or not, the responses to that tweet are really something. At least on liberal/leftist women’s twitter, it appears that there is universal contempt for this author (and NYU Prof!). Fairly well known twitter women I’ve seen sniping at each other since the Democratic primary are unified in their opinion of Roiphe in the replies. It’s rather impressive.
satby
@Amaranthine RBG: you mean fuckwits like a best-selling author who also is a professor at MIT? Let’s see your credentials sport.
sharl
@sharl: Just to add, the recent Roiphe tweet may in fact be the real deal. Sometimes people start a twitter account, then either forget about it or lose their password, in which case it may be easier to just create a new twitter account (using a different “@” name, of course). There just isn’t enough information here to say, one way or the other.
And regarding Roiphe’s practice of dumping the heavy work on a fact checker, that has apparently been a common (and unfortunate) practice in the publishing industry for a long time, as noted here:
Amaranthine RBG
@Lit3Bolt:
Yes, they really are no different than Breitbart. They’re all in for Trump !!!
Amaranthine RBG
@Mnemosyne:
Oh look its the person who works at Disney the home of rapist Weinstein and serial groper Lasseter. Hey, have you been tasked to tidy up Lasseter’s office when he returns after his 6 month break?
You keep on being you!
Mnemosyne
@Amaranthine RBG:
Nope, I only covered for Lasseter’s assistant once, and that was for about half an hour in a pretty dire emergency. I have been hugged by him several times, but never groped. Weinstein was gone from Disney about 10 years before I started there.
Any other questions you’d like to ask?
sharl
I love Nicole Cliffe:
sharl
@sharl: Hmm, just noticed that the Harper’s Magazine verified twitter account is following that new @katherineroiphe account, and in fact they retweeted the same tweet that Cheryl linked above.
Despite online chatter about Harper’s senior leadership being antiquated traditionalist types, their twitter account seems “hip” and active enough; maybe they hired A Young for their social media work, as so many media outlets do. So I’m now thinking the account Cheryl linked legitimately belongs to Roiphe, and I’m also wondering if Harper’s managing editorial folks told Roiphe to “deal with this twitter conflagration,” and this twitter account and her two tweets were her response. (It ain’t helping her or Harper’s, obviously).
Anyhoo, big props to Nicole Cliffe and a whole bunch of media-prominent Roiphe-haters for doing what (IMHO) needed to be done.
Most importantly of all, best wishes to Moire Donegan in finding a good job where she doesn’t have to work for misogynist assholes [1,2], and that any abuse resulting from all this will be minimal and short-lived.
[1.] For the record, the last place she worked (The New Republic) said she wasn’t let go because of the Shitty Media Men list. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
[2.] Wishing for her to find work for a non-asshole may be asking too much, given what I’ve seen about what media outlet-employed writers have to put up under even the best conditions in today’s publishing environment. If she is destined to work for one or more assholes, hopefully they at least won’t be misogynist or sexist.
Jamey
@Msb: Finally, the definitive overlap of “blogging ethics panels” and “ethics in gaming journalism.” #Progress!