Slate has a long list of organizations to which we can send money or volunteer. There are several looking for lawyers. I know one of the Balloon Juice legal staff was looking for something like this the other day, although I [embarrassed emoticon] can’t remember who it was. I sent some money this afternoon, since I couldn’t join Beto O’Rourke’s march to the center outside El Paso.
Sample:
Pueblo Sin Fronteras is an organization that provides humanitarian aid and shelter to migrants on their way to the U.S.
• RAICES is the largest immigration nonprofit in Texas offering free and low-cost legal services to immigrant children and families. Donate here and sign up as a volunteer here.
• The Texas Civil Rights Project is seeking “volunteers who speak Spanish, Mam, Q’eqchi’ or K’iche’ and have paralegal or legal assistant experience.”
• Together Rising is another Virginia-based organization that’s helping provide legal assistance for 60 migrant children who were separated from their parents and are currently detained in Arizona.
• The Urban Justice Center’s Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project is working to keep families together.
• Women’s Refugee Commissionadvocates for the rights and protection of women, children, and youth fleeing violence and persecution.
• Finally, ActBlue has aggregated many of these groups under a single button.
For those of you in Philadelphia, a welcoming party is planned for Vice President Mike Pence on Tuesday
Mike Pence will be in Philadelphia on Tuesday. There will be a welcoming party. https://t.co/rf7uwfv8Eq
— Dr. Audra J. Wolfe (@ColdWarScience) June 17, 2018
I see some discussion of a demonstration at Susan Collins’s office on the previous thread. Give me a link, and I’ll post it here.
Anything else happening?
Update from esteemed commenter Yarrow:
Call your Governor and your state representatives too. These detention facilities are in many states and not everyone even knows they’re there. Here’s an article from 2014 about migrant children being flown to various states. It certainly hasn’t improved since then.
PHOENIX — Before they sloshed and skidded across the Rio Grande, Greysi and Claudia Paula had never been on a plane.
Now the teenage Honduran sisters are frequent fliers, crisscrossing America on government chartered jets and settling into commercial airliner seats at taxpayer expense. In the harried and jumbled scramble to house a wave of unaccompanied minors illegally entering the United States, U.S. officials have ordered the girls flown from Texas to Arizona, from Arizona to Oklahoma and from Oklahoma back to Arizona — all in a matter of weeks.
Also from the article:
One recent evening, he [Tony Banegas, a Honduran honorary consul] flipped through the planner — an extraordinary document that tells in sparse language and shorthand the story of a crisis unfolding. He compared the names he’d written down with the reports he received from federal officials about the transportation of unaccompanied minors to shelters.
“This guy is going to Pennsylvania,” he said, pointing to a name on a long list.
“Ah. Michigan. First time I see Michigan.”
“New York. I see that a lot.”
It’s not just border states.
Trentrunner
The latest AP story describes how the “older” children are teaching the younger ones how to change diapers of the infants they share their 20-person cell with.
Imagine being that parent of the infant and reading that.
JPL
Cheryl, I want the democratic members to walk out tomorrow and march with signs. Once the repubs introduce their PROTECT THE CHILDREN ACT, the msm will play along.
Phoenix_Rising
@Trentrunner: lucky for them, those parents don’t read English, or Spanish. The kicker there was, No one IN the cells or nearby could understand the child, who speaks only K’iche. Her parent(s) may speak Spanish but are unlikely to be literate.
The degree to which our government is choosing the most oppressed people on the planet it can make contact with to terrorize…it’s a little hard to understand.
MomSense
Protesters against family separation arrested in Maine.
link
Chris
Unfortunately, I really can’t do the money thing these days. But volunteering is something else again. Thanks for posting.
Cheryl Rofer
@JPL: I’m not sure that’s the most effective thing they can do. Some are demonstrating at ICE facilities today. But if that’s what you want them to do, call them and tell them!
Find your representative
Contact info for senators
Frankensteinbeck
That did not occur to me. Yeah, members of the Trump administration may face levels of hostility they have never imagined before.
@JPL:
Doesn’t this allow the Republicans to declare a quorum and pass any damn thing they want?
efgoldman
@Phoenix_Rising:
No it isn’t.
@MomSense:
Governor Mucilage no doubt supports everything Weasel Face does.
JPL
It’s the Catch 22 that is happening
So when Nielsen says this she is lying.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news/whats-really-happening-asylum-seeking-families-separated/
Phoenix_Rising
@efgoldman: Fair enough. As the Mrs likes to say: Oh, you *understand* it fine, you just don’t like it!
Mnemosyne
@JPL:
You mean you want them to continue doing it, right?
Don’t let the MSM fool you into thinking that Democrats are sitting around and twiddling their thumbs. That way lies madness.
debit
@Trentrunner: You know who would have been a strong voice on this? Al Franken. Crawl back under your rock and stay there.
The Fat Kate Middleton
Thank you so much for this, Cheryl. I have been distraught about this in the last week, feeling there was nothing I could do. Now there is.
JPL
@Cheryl Rofer: I want pitchforks too. Tomorrow I’ll call Isakson’s office,because Perdue is hopeless. After Sandy Hook, I wrote both Isakson and Saxby Chambliss, I received a form letter from Isakson, and a long letter from Chambliss’s office mentioning that some of my ideas made sense. Then he resigned. A friend who knows Isakson was not happy to hear that. Isakson was elected as a moderate, then he became the Bqhatevwr senator. He did come out and say that Trump said shit hole countries, but that’s about it.
debbie
Hope Pence’s reception in Philly is as good as it was in Columbus. He got a dance party here!
lamh36
Ugh…Disgusting! Of course they do…it’s brown immigrant children in the pictures…maybe they’d care more if it was white immigrant kids…who am I kiddin…they didn’t even care when a bunch of white children were gunned downed at Sandy Hook…smh.
Poll: Republicans Approve of Trump’s Family Separation Policy via @thedailybeast
And this is why the GOP congresscritters are ok with this…their “base” are supportive…fuckers
Omnes Omnibus
@JPL: If I were you, I would still call both. Let the assholes know you are out there – watching and remembering.
eclare
I’ll call my senators tomorrow, but I’m in TN, so I don’t think that will do much good. Although Corker is not running for re-election, so maybe I will get a furrowed brow or two.
Omnes Omnibus
@eclare: Make them uncomfortable. Ask the staffer how s/he can work for someone who supports such a vicious policy.
The Ancient Randonneur
@JPL:
GOP moderate? Fuck Isakson. Fuck Collins. Silence is complicity. Oh, and fuck Manchin. He’s the only Democrat who hasn’t signed on to Senator Feinstein’s bill.
#WhereAreTheGirls
West of the Cascades
@eclare: I wake up every morning thanking Deity that Jeff Merkley and Ron Wyden are my Senators.
JPL
@Omnes Omnibus: Perdue was CEO of Dollar General, and one wonders how many undocumented shop there and were employed by them.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
And you may even be able to get an intern to rethink his life choices, or at least stammer when he tries to defend his boss. ?
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: Yep. I get my entertainment where I can. Belated HBD, btw.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@lamh36:
It’s interesting that they couldn’t even get a majority in favor amongst themselves. This isn’t going to go well for them.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Thank you! I did end up having a French 75 with my steak dinner. It was delish.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: It was a great gun too.
efgoldman
@The Ancient Randonneur:
He is running as a reliable Dem on actually important things, in the reddest state in the country.
No other Dem can get elected there. I’d rather not give up the seat.
We have this discussion regularly.
The Ancient Randonneur
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Interesting? Fuck what the polls say. Interesting is when when the Mars Curiosity Rover keeps going on well after its life expectancy. Ripping families apart is an abomination.
B.B.A.
Trump fumed with rage with the “catch and release” policy that CBP used to follow. They used to just turn back migrants found at the border rather than arresting and charging them and breaking up families. Now I wonder if he’ll look at his buddies Putin and Kim and Duterte and think that even this isn’t cruel enough to satisfy his bloodlust.
rikyrah
Charles Blow’s latest column
https://twitter.com/CharlesMBlow/status/1008504090916245504
Chet Murthy
@Phoenix_Rising:
(1) it’s how predators roll: separate the weakest from the herd.
(2) in Nazi Germany, before they really got rolling with the Final Solution, they were already running something called “Aktion T4”: deliberately starving to death (and also active killing, IIRC, but I can’t say for sure) (physically & mentally) disabled -Germans-. These people were literally unable to fend for themselves. In order to make it as surreptitious as possible, the Nazis would transfer the patients to far-away asylums, and then (amazingly) they would die, be cremated, and the family would be told after-the-fact.
It was quite a scandal when the Church found out, and there were protests, but …. well, it didn’t really change things.
It’s how predators roll.
JPL
Because of all the chaos that the orange one creates, I missed this
https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-the-scenes-at-g-7-meetings-trump-jabs-left-allies-dismayed-1529064601
How low can you go.. It appears that we have entered a chasm, and there is not bottom to the asshole.
Trentrunner
@debit: LOL rape apologist
B.B.A.
@efgoldman: Actually important things? They’re holding children in concentration camps, if this isn’t actually important what the fuck is?
Yarrow
@Cheryl Rofer: Call your Governor and your state representatives too. These detention facilities are in many states and not everyone even knows they’re there. Here’s an article from 2014 about migrant children being flown to various states. It certainly hasn’t improved since then.
Also from the article:
It’s not just border states.
SiubhanDuinne
I seem to recall that Immanentize was specifically asking, although we have such an abundance of trained legal talent here that it could be any of a dozen jackals.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Can we stop now trying to understand these muthaphuckas ? ?
burnspbesq
Even Cardinal Dolan, who is unlikely to ever be mistaken for a paragon of morality and ethics, has seen enough.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/392605-cardinal-dolan-hits-sessions-use-of-the-bible-to-defend-family
The Ancient Randonneur
@efgoldman: I read those discussions and generally I agree but this isn’t just politics. It’s much bigger than that.
ETA: I’m in Tornillo, Texas and this is awful.
Yarrow
@Omnes Omnibus: I almost never get a real person on the phone at my Senators’ D.C. offices. If I can a local office I often get a real person. Those are the ones I make very uncomfortable.
debit
@Trentrunner: I wondered if you’d have the grace to admit you were wrong, but no, you escalated. So, fuck off and die, you turgid little shit stain.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Trentrunner:
Franken never raped anyone, asshole. Ever wonder why when you rarely show up no one replies to you? This is why. Fuck you and your trollish “LOL”.
rikyrah
@Yarrow:
Thanks for spreading the word
rikyrah
@Yarrow:
Good. Make them very uncomfortable ?
Omnes Omnibus
@Yarrow: I keep calling different offices until I get an actual “person.”
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@The Ancient Randonneur:
I didn’t mean to not give this the seriousness it deserves. I just thought it was worth noting that not even among Republicans did this disgusting human rights violation of a policy get majority support (even if it was close). They’re not going to win this.
Yarrow
@burnspbesq: I’d guess he’s seen which way the wind is blowing on this. Also, Latino Catholics.
ArchTeryx
@Chet Murthy: And that’s exactly what the Republicans wanted for the U.S. when they tried to destroy Obamacare and actually repeal Medicaid with it. To more or less assure that every sick poor person in this country died. Their own Aktion T4. It took a dying man and a miracle to stop it, too.
And I still had liberals arguing that repealing Medicaid wasn’t really murder.
The Ancient Randonneur
@rikyrah:
This!
Schlemazel
Sent RAICES some money, not enough but more than I can afford. But it is never enough and being so far away from the border limits other opportunities. I will call my 2 Senators (who are both on board anyway) and the quisling Ellison who is also on the right side. I may call Paulson, I am right next to his district and he won’t know I am not in it. But he is a fat zero who does what his party demands so I don’t have high hopes for him either.
B.B.A.
@Trentrunner: Dude – I agree Franken is a serial groper, or at least he can’t prove he isn’t, and he had to go. But he was never accused of raping anyone.
efgoldman
@rikyrah:
Mother
Fucker
Ruckus
@The Ancient Randonneur:
It may be bigger but politics is how it works.
You don’t have to like it but it helps to understand that he is elected to represent his state and a lot of the people in WV are not like our host. To get elected and do any good he has to win elections and keep doing that. You don’t have to like it but he’s been with the dems far more than not and that may be as good as he can do in his state. It may also be as good as he wants to do, which seems to be your argument but until it’s proven otherwise, maybe you could cut him some slack.
Now all that said, I don’t like it either. But realism works better than dreams or demands.
germy
Stephen Miller has been dreaming of this for years.
I feel like Miller isn’t getting enough credit for this. He needs more recognition, if you know what I mean.
The Ancient Randonneur
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
No worries. It’s been a long emotional day and I am very touchy about anything that has a whiff of sentiment (real or perceived) for GOP monsters.
Chyron HR
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
Keep in mind that the Republicans who are against the policy think they’re opposing a “Democrat law”.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@ArchTeryx:
Then they weren’t really liberals but totebaggers, safely ensconced (for now) in their little privileged bubbles.
Yarrow
@Omnes Omnibus: I’ve called every single number I can and not reached a real person. I end up having to leave a message.
B.B.A.
@germy: If by recognition you mean he needs to have his skull bashed in with a crowbar, then I agree wholeheartedly.
Omnes Omnibus
@The Ancient Randonneur: No one here has any sympathy for the GOP.
lamh36
I’m sure Bernie will be a special guest on Hayes’ show next week
Adam L Silverman
For those in Philadelphia: be careful! Some of the protestors at his Ohio appearance last week have indicated that his supporters in the audience started to assault them – grab, punch, push, etc – when they started protesting and before security came to ask them to leave and escort them out.
efgoldman
@B.B.A.:
There’s no way a relief bill comes to the floor; it is all theater. He can make all kinds of noise and it accomplishes nothing. He has to walk a very fine tightrope to avoid getting turfed at home. He is a lifelong realistic politician who knows his constituents (and how his constituency has changed and how fast).
He has to deal with the electorate he has, not the the one we want him to have.
The alternative is a lost seat.
germy
@B.B.A.: I wasn’t thinking of skull crushing, just recognition, shame and banishment.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: Because Nena Turner and her entourage are making the rounds of Nebraska this weekend.
efgoldman
@SiubhanDuinne:
And Steve from ATL
germy
@lamh36:
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@The Ancient Randonneur:
I totally understand where you’re coming from. “Monsters” really is the operative word for these people.
lamh36
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
So, wear steel-toed shoes?
Mnemosyne
@germy:
Maybe we could force him to wear a scarlet A (for “asshole”) on his clothes for the rest of his life. Seems fitting, given who his idols are.
Ruckus
@lamh36:
Very true.
Very.
True.
efgoldman
@The Ancient Randonneur:
It’s a balancing act. The alternative is losing the seat. Politics is/are always part of the equation.
MomSense
@efgoldman:
No doubt. He’s the worst.
lamh36
Laura Bush pens Op-Ed about seperating families
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m ashamed of my state. I saw the video but didn’t see any violence. But I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. Dense’s supporters began chanting “USA!” in unison like braindead zombies to drown the protesters out. It was very disturbing.
Those doughy pasty fucks wouldn’t know what to do in real fight, I’m sure.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
They make some cowboy boots very pointed for a reason.
It hasn’t got anything to do with being an actual cowboy.
germy
@Mnemosyne: This Chaplin “Great Dictator” quote reminded me of Miller:
Ruckus
@lamh36:
But will it cause her or her family to do anything but admit to a broken heart?
I think it’s possible for the answer to be, Very possibly, Not.
Cheryl Rofer
Laura Bush has a hard-hitting op-ed in the Washington Post.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Chyron HR:
Cleek’s Law is once again proven
JPL
I’m with her
She might not know about the be best program that Melania started
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/laura-bush-separating-children-from-their-parents-at-the-border-breaks-my-heart/2018/06/17/f2df517a-7287-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.b84d166da992
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
I know this may hit a bit hard but would a big red tattoo on his forehead be more appropriate?
Or possibly a life term of hard labor if that tattoo thing is a bit much.
Mnemosyne
@Ruckus:
Her politician nephew, George P. Bush, is on the record defending this policy. So, no, there won’t be any actual action taken, even within her own family.
efgoldman
@JPL:
How many votes does she have? How many bills can she file?
Good sentiment, but fuck her and her draft dodging hubby.
O. Felix Culpa
We’re just back home from the march by the Tornillo children’s internment camp near El Paso. The march was well attended, especially for an event announced just Friday and held in a rural location on Father’s Day. I’m hopeless at estimating crowd size, but would guess 500-750 people. The organizers were not able to get permission to enter the area where the children are being held (no surprise there, it’s not in the government’s interest to have their misdeeds publicly exposed), so we marched to the port of entry and held a rally nearby. I’ll write some more and send pix to Cheryl, but it’s a five-hour drive each way and I’m kinda tired. It was entirely worth the effort though.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne:
Christ, what an asshole.
Omnes Omnibus
@O. Felix Culpa: Thanks for doing that.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
I know.
I was being my typical sarcastic self.
It’s the gift that keeps on giving. Even when you don’t want it to.
ljt
@O. Felix Culpa: Thank you.
JPL
@O. Felix Culpa: Please do, and thank you for going.
@efgoldman: Her audience is larger than the be best lady.. just sayin
Mnemosyne
@Ruckus:
I’m trying to stay away from violent rhetoric, but I have to admit that a particular scene from Inglorious Basterds involving a Nazi, a swastika, and a very large knife was what first came to mind.
But I’m trying not to be like one of them.
germy
@Ruckus: I’ve never seen a photo of him that didn’t make my skin crawl.
I know certain websites (RawStory, cough!) deliberately choose unflattering pictures and screenshots, but this is different. I’ve never seen him NOT look creepy and evil.
Ruckus
@Omnes Omnibus:
Just living up to the family motto.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@JPL:
Here’s the wikipedia article on it:
Even Wikipedia’s “neutral point of view” is brutal enough. That’s what happens when you try to bullshit your way through stuff like this. She’s just as bad as Trump, in a way. She obviously doesn’t give enough of a shit to properly research the issues she’s supposed to be advocating for. She doesn’t put in the effort and that alone disgusts me. I get that she’s stuck with Trump, but couldn’t she at least keep her mitts away from stuff like this? If she couldn’t be assed to do it the right way, then she shouldn’t have even tried.
Ruckus
@germy:
Check out my answer to Omnes at #95
It is all around useful these days.
JPL
Laura Bush’s opinion piece will upset the asshole in office, and it might be intended. There will be tweets.
WaterGirl
@Mnemosyne:
I’m almost afraid to ask what that is.
Ohio Mom
When Laura Bush flies to DC, goes into the Senate office building and starts cornering Republicans, twisting their arms IN PERSON, well then you can wake me up. Right now all she has accomished is giving cover to Never Trumpers.
efgoldman
@JPL:
So what? What real action can she take except to wring her hands.
Now, if she goes and joins Merkley’s group…..
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: I am happy to answer.
efgoldman
@WaterGirl:
Whatever it is, you have to ask for it from behind the counter.
James Powell
@WaterGirl:
A gin & Champagne cocktail named after artillery from the Great War.
rikyrah
@Trentrunner:
???
Phoenix_Rising
@O. Felix Culpa: Thanks for making it. Your reporting is needed.
James Powell
Curious to know if there’s anything going on in El Cajon or other places in SoCal. I’m free all week.
Ruckus
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?:
She’s not chattle, she’s not stuck with drumpf. She can divorce him. Sure she may lose everything and find herself being deported (you know he’d do it) and possibly lose her son as well but she stays because she thinks it’s in her best interest. It looks like she married him because it was in her best interest. It appears to me that she’s not as bad as he is but she seems to be no great shakes herself. She stays because it still suits her. She has protection as long as she’s married to him though, maybe she knows what will happen if she choses to leave.
Mnemosyne
@WaterGirl:
James Powell had the briefest answer. It also has lemon juice and simple syrup and is very tasty.
Duane
@JPL: Nielsen is as deplorable as it gets. She deserves the highest possible tumbrel number She doesn’t worship Satan, Satan worships her. (Stole it from a Frasier episode.)
WaterGirl
@efgoldman: I see you are back in fine form on BJ, even if you are still feeling crappy. (which I was sorry to hear, by the way)
Denali
@O.Felix Culpa,
Thanks for going. We need to be out there in the streets.
WaterGirl
@MomSense: I was surprised to hear this week that our governor in IL is the most hated governor in america. I was shocked that we were able to surpass you guys in that category.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
We have to keep fighting this, but we can take heart that this isn’t going to be how things are forever. These shitbags are in office now, but they’re failing by the day. People hate these scumbags, and after a year of this shit show, people are ready to fight back.
I know lots of us look at Trump’s polls and ask what the fuck is going on, how he can still be pulling in 40%. But he’s been at 35-40% for so long that we’ve forgotten how bad that really is. We’ve gotten used to it. But there are immutable laws of politics, and one of them is that you can’t get by forever with 40% of the electorate behind you. He won once, but that was a historic fluke. We’ve seen how badly Republicans have done since then. There are more of us than there are of them, and we don’t have to put up with this. We’re going to have to work to overcome this, but we can do it.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Hey, WI should be in there too.
JPL
@efgoldman: If her opinion piece only causes the asshole to have heartburn, then it is what it is. I think it will cause angst in a lot of repubs on the hill. I’m always wrong, but I’m glad someone wrote it. It’s the first time I agreed with her.
If Michelle wrote it, the coverage would be different. It does open the door for a strong rebuke from the Obama’s. imo
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
I sure hope that comment is directed at Trump and not Blow!
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Interesting. I tended bar for awhile and I had never heard of that.
GregB
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
It wasn’t a historical fluke. It was the crime of the century.
ruemara
@Mnemosyne: I’m not.
WaterGirl
@efgoldman: Yeah, the name sounded like it could be something that I wouldn’t want to google.
@James Powell: But it turned out to be completely innocent.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: There isn’t a huge call for one in most bars.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: A dubious honor!
lamh36
@JPL: Right…and I think THAT is the strategy. I just can’t believe that the Bush cabal didn’t go over the Op-Ed with a fine tooth comb and approved by GWB and the rest of ’em
The “harshness” of it, including the direct finger pointing at Chump, is calculated to maybe give the GWB Republicans some “cover”.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Mnemosyne:
I’m afraid it is going to need to come to that. We white people fetishize non-violence, and ignore that waiting in the wings were Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Elijah Muhammad, Bobby Seale, as the example of what could be if nonviolence failed.
We have none of that now.
lamh36
Ah…yup…
efgoldman
@WaterGirl:
Stuck in a fucking wheel chair until the stitches come out of my foot.
And this house isn’t really set up for it.
JPL
@WaterGirl: I’m not into cocktails so I thought it was the vintage year. A few weeks back though, relatives were in town and I made cocktails. My DIL, SIL and I all received advice the next day on what not to drink.
RUBY PALOMA
2 oz Deep Eddy Ruby Red Vodka
1 oz silver tequila (100% agave preferred)
2 oz lemon-lime soda
2 oz club soda
Lime garnish, salt rim (optional)
My son asked how I found the ingredients, and I said I went to a liquor store and showed the clerk the list easy
The Ancient Randonneur
@JPL:
Yep. I hope Javier Bardem gets the lead when they make the movie
efgoldman
@SiubhanDuinne:
At the contents
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Ruckus:
Don’t disagree with any of that. I just wish she would do better job of at least pretending to give a shit about her so-called “initiatives”.
JPL
@lamh36: His staff contained him on attacks on Michelle, so they might do the same with Laura unless Michelle comes out also. That would drive him over the ledge.
WaterGirl
@lamh36: That’s a little inside baseball for me to totally get it. Is the idea that someone should have given Karen Tumulty a heads up before he column posted? Do they actually do that? Would that be out of loyalty to Trump or to their colleagues?
WaterGirl
@efgoldman: Well that sucks. I completely missed what had happened, I just knew that you were away from BJ for a bit because you were in the hospital. Could you use one of those knew scooters like I had with my ankle?
JPL
@WaterGirl: It does sound right, because Laura’s was an opinion piece and they reserve space. Melania’s comment was weak so not sure it matters. It was almost like her be best campaign, and letting her add a statement that was cowardly and weak looks bad.
efgoldman
@JPL:
As noted above, I feel like shit. Whatever milk of human kindness I night have had is on hiatus.
WaterGirl
@JPL: I like vodka and I like tequila, but putting them together does not seem like a great idea.
lamh36
@JPL: And now the GWB Presidential Center has tweeted out Laura’s article.
Aside from the nephew who’s running for office and clinging to Cruz…I’d say this statement is the GWB family statement put out via Laura’s voice
https://twitter.com/TheBushCenter/status/1008516814245191682
WaterGirl
@JPL: Can you imagine how horrified Barack and Michelle are at what’s happening to all these children?
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Depends on how you want your evening to end…
Adam L Silverman
@JPL This too is reminiscent of the NAZIs. Hitler offered to sell Germany’s Jews at one point. The only state that expressed interest in buying them was Imperial Japan. Hitler never went through with it. Which is good as Imperial Japan would have used them as slaves.
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300068528/jews-sale
efgoldman
@WaterGirl:
It shouldn’t be that long, and they’re expensive
JPL
Type in Laura Bush on google. lol
WaterGirl
@JPL: Melania doesn’t need any help in looking bad. Finally, something she’s good at. :-)
Adam L Silverman
@burnspbesq: Cardinal Dolan will have to begin excommunicating people. The United Methodist Church is going to have to formally censure and expel Jeff Sessions. And a Beit Din (rabbinical court/literally: House of Justice) needs to be convened and the herem (ban/excommunication) declared against Stephen Miller, Jared and Ivanka, Steven Mnuchin, and any other American Jew who is working in a political appointment for this administration, working in a civil servant position where they are involved with immigration and border control issues, and/or support this.
JPL
In order to stop the orange one, someone will have to smash his phone.
WaterGirl
@Omnes Omnibus: Not puking? I just don’t think they would taste good together, and for me it’s all about taste and not about consuming a lot of alcohol.
Omnes Omnibus
@WaterGirl: Not puking is always a good goal.
WaterGirl
@efgoldman: How much longer now?
WaterGirl
@Adam L Silverman: They certainly had no trouble shaming Democrats – wouldn’t even let them receive communion because of something, maybe birth control or abortion? Fucking hypocrites everywhere.
Mary G
@O. Felix Culpa: Thank you for going and hope to see pictures when you have recovered. Senator Merkley tweeted out his very good speech; were there any networks there that you saw?
hedgehog mobile
@O. Felix Culpa: Thank you.
? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?
@Adam L Silverman:
What II Duce didn’t even take him up? Or was this before they became buddy buddy?
The link isn’t loading for me. Why didn’t the deal go through?
debbie
@rikyrah:
Don’t know which cheers me more: that APA quote or Blow’s flat out saying Trump is lying.
Adam L Silverman
@Chyron HR: They’re also the white evangelicals (Evangelicals, Charismatics, and Fundamentalists). The most recent polling shows them opposed to immigration.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/white-evangelical-immigrants-threaten-american-values-prri-160380/
SectionH
@Adam L Silverman: Will they step up? I hope so.
I’n kind of in the middle of a meltdown over this. I don’t mean I need any religious authority personally to condemn. (I’m so not religious) but it would mean a lot to many people. But I am a mother, now a grandmother too, and I want to stop the monsters who take little children away from their mothers and dads. Sorry, that’s the only word. Monsters. (pre-edited for what I srsly want to do with the monsters… )
Doug R
@lamh36: 46% of 26% is less than 12%.
sukabi
@Trentrunner: So they aren’t actually providing care for the children (babies) they are leaving it for the other children.
Caged kids with no, or very little care given. Criminal neglect.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: Be videotaping as soon as you show up and start demonstrating. Be prepared for violence. Be prepared, if necessary, to protect your own life.
Jeffro
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.): almost sounds like we need some Hope The High Road goin’ on here! ;)
Ohio Mom
@Adam L Silverman: Is there even such a thing as a Beit Din that isn’t composed of the most reactionary men imaginable? Because the sad truth, as you already know, is that a lot of our “most religious” co-religionists continue to support Trump et al on the claim they are “better for Israel.” It is a nice day dream that those rat finks would be booted out but I can’t see it ever happening.
Many days I regret that I will not live long enough to see American Judaism split in two. I am tired of having to share my religion with the likes of them.
Jeffro
@JPL:
I’m picturing a PSA campaign where both Michelle and Laura just flat-out flip the bird at the camera, telling Trumpov this shit won’t fly in America…no, I’m not high, why do you ask?
You have to admit, it’s a comforting image…
Ohio Mom
@O. Felix Culpa: Adding my appreciation, and also noting I am a bit jealous I didn’t have a demonstration to go to. You were representing everyone here.
Cheryl Rofer
Adam – Didn’t you write a post on preparing for possibly violent demonstrations a while back? Could you link it?
debbie
Even Kathleen Parker doesn’t recognize her country anymore.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-dont-recognize-this-country-anymore/2018/06/15/6a9c898a-70cb-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html?utm_term=.dbbd68a1d33e
Adam L Silverman
@germy: The real failure of the coastal, liberal, elitist Santa Monica High School was instead of actually disciplining Miller for his unacceptable behavior and acting out they accommodated him in an attempt to avoid a scandal. From the publicly reported accounts of his behavior he should have been expelled from Santa Monica High School and then sent to the school for students with extreme behavioral problems. Similarly his professors at Duke should have just tossed him out of class for disrupting them. Then do a disciplinary forced drop. And then refer him for formal disciplinary action – expulsion – from the university. This could have been nipped in the bud when he was 14.
Jeffro
@Mnemosyne: @Adam L Silverman: Can I just add, have an exit plan (and, related, stay to the sides of the protest group if you can)? And a regrouping point in case you are separated?
SiubhanDuinne
@efgoldman:
Snort.
lamh36
This Breitbart…muthaphucka.
“Chain-link Partitions”
This Breitbart…muthaphucka.
Duane
@germy:I swear trump went to hire the most evil souless bastards that surfaced above ground. Miller, Nielsen, an endless list of people who should be shunned by society. Yet here we are in this fucking mess thanks to the worst our country has to offer.
Mnemosyne
@Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes:
Non-violence by whom? The South is dotted with the ruins of Black towns that were burned to the ground by white mobs. Civil Rights protesters were beaten by white mobs.
White people already have enough violence in our pasts. It’s time for us to attempt non-violence. We’ve already demonstrated for several centuries that we think violence solves everything, so it’s time to take that tool away from white people.
Mnemosyne
@JPL:
It’s not a Paloma without grapefruit. Unless that’s grapefruit vodka?
Even then, I would use grapefruit soda (like Jarritos or that Italian one) over lemon-lime.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
Is that one of those drink things? Cause I don’t think I’ve ever had any of that. It’s possible of course that I once did but I find myself being rather pissed of most every minute of the day and I don’t like it.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: He wants to be GOP governor of Texas after Abbot and then run for President as a Republican. So he’s been cozying up to the President and Jr since after the 2016 election.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Doesn’t change my assessment.
Jager
@JPL: Single malt scotch/ice cubes. No muss no fuss. Know what I mean?
Yarrow
@Adam L Silverman: In his primary ads, George P. Bush highlighted Trump Jr.’s support of him. I wonder how that’s going to work out for him going forward as Jr. is found guilty of various treasonous activities.
Mnemosyne
@ruemara:
I didn’t pick a movie where Jews take bloody and well-deserved vengeance on their oppressors by mistake. ?
Feel free to swap in Django Unchained if you need a more direct analogy.
Adam L Silverman
@WaterGirl: To Tumulty so she didn’t look like an idiot.
Le Comte de Monte Cristo, fka Edmund Dantes
@Mnemosyne:
I was not elegant in my verbiage – what I meant was that nonviolent protests are failing – the authoritarian right simply shrugs and continues acting badly.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
She wrote that garbage about Melania..?
Adam L Silverman
@JPL: Melania’s comment wasn’t written by Melania. It was written by her spokesperson and approved by the President before it was released.
Adam L Silverman
@? ?? Goku (aka Amerikan Baka) ? ?: It was complicated. Some of it was done for PR so Hitler could say: “see, no one else wants them either”. Some of it was an attempt to get the Jews to ransom themselves out of Germany.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I won’t be hobbling to any violent protests anytime soon, but GoPro cameras are inexpensive and tough, and you can strap them to your body to record the goings-on without having to hold onto them.
But steel-toed shoes are also helpful in these situations. Or, if you’re the kind of person who can maneuver in heels in an emergency, a spike heel can do a lot to deter an attacker when stomped down on the top of his foot or toes.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
He’s a rich white boy. His parents would have sued the district into oblivion rather than allow their little snowflake to suffer any consequences for his actions.
Adam L Silverman
@SectionH: From the reporting it appears that a bunch of the US Catholic espicopate (the cardinals, archbishops, and bishops) actually called for Canonical responses, which would be excommunication and some other things. The United Methodist Church did come out and condemn AG Sessions, but they need to expel him – cut him off from the Church. As for whether you could get a Beit Din convened to pronounce the herem? Who knows. The problem won’t be in getting it pronounced, it would be in different rabbis and different Jewish denominations arguing over whether it is kosher or kosher enough, etc. And in the case of people like Jared and Ivanka or Breitbart’s execrable Joel Pollack, they’re modern Orthodox. So getting their rabbis and congregations to recognize the Beit Din, it’s jurisdiction, that it is doing things in a proper manner, and then the pronouncement is what would be the lift.
Adam L Silverman
@Ohio Mom: You could definitely get a Beit Din convened, though I doubt it would be from any of the Orthodox sects, including the Modern Orthodox that Jared, Ivanka, and Beitbart’s execrable Joel Pollack belong to. And that’s the rub. There will be arguing forever over who convened it, whether it was appropriately done according to tradition, etc, etc.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: I can reup it if you like.
Ruckus
@Mnemosyne:
An extremely rapid knee to the groin is often helpful if you find yourself in too close quarters. One has to actually hit the groin to be successful though. If someone grabs you and you can reach, grabbing the ear lobes with finger nails and pulling the head down sharply so that the nose contacts your noggin is often effective as well. One can’t hesitate though, these types of maneuvers have to be executed rapidly and forcefully. Don’t do the fingernail thing if yours are too long, it will hurt you almost as much as them.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Please do.
zhena gogolia
@Jager:
Why the ice cubes?
Citizen Alan
@Trentrunner:
Your mother should have aborted you.
Adam L Silverman
@Cheryl Rofer: It has been reposted.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: Never said or expected it would.
sukabi
@germy: somebody needs to check his basement, fucker’s probably got a couple of the missing kids down there.
sukabi
@efgoldman: now now. Give him his due…he didn’t dodge the draft…he deserted.
Citizen Alan
@Mnemosyne:
I believe the point was that whites fetishize non-violence among non-whites. It’s the attitude that expects protests by non-whites to be utterly non-violent no matter what the provocation, lest people say that “Antifa and the Nazis are really the same” and bullshit like that.
Adam L Silverman
@Citizen Alan: On the nosey!
SectionH
@Adam L Silverman: Mostly I’m glad to see whatever pushback there is from any religious ppl, esp Judeo-Christian ones.
sukabi
@JPL: lol…now that’s awesome SEO. ???????
Steve in the ATL
@efgoldman: zing!
I was going to post that about myself but you beat me to it. I’m slower than efgoldman in a wheelchair…jeez.
sukabi
@Adam L Silverman: I’m a bit confused…would the excommunication be for the benefit of the congregation …a shunning to cleanse the church, Or as a shaming of the excommunicated? Both?
If it’s for shaming, these fuckers wouldn’t feel a thing. Sociopaths are incapable of shame.
Mnemosyne
@Citizen Alan:
Right, but Le Comte missed my point that, as a white person, I feel it’s my responsibility to break that rhetorical cycle and say that it’s wrong for white people to express those violent fantasies.
I’m not here to worry about what any other group says or does. Just my fellow white people, who are far too fond of acting out violently when thwarted.
Mnemosyne
@sukabi:
I can only answer from the Catholic perspective — being excommunicated means that you can no longer attend Mass or receive any sacraments, specifically Communion (hence the root of the word). Basically, you get booted out and cannot return without a public show of repentance and renouncing whatever actions or beliefs got you kicked out.
There are lesser punishments, like refusing to allow someone to take Communion until they publicly confess their sins or renounce a certain belief — some Catholic bishops made a public announcement that they would not give John Kerry Communion because he was pro-choice.
But the Catholic Church is way more hierarchical than a lot of other churches, so it’s easier for them to enforce this stuff across the board.
sukabi
@Mnemosyne: I get the “punishment” aspects, but while they claim to be members of their religion, they all appear to use it as a weapon or a shield for their own personal gain, rather than as a guide on how to conduct themselves morally and justly.
Mnemosyne
@sukabi:
I doubt that Ryan is more than a Christmas and Easter Catholic, so I doubt it would matter to him. Kelly is (allegedly) more devout, so it theoretically should mean more to him.
Mostly, it’s a very public rejection of someone by the RCC, so it’s more about signaling the church’s avowed values than punishing a specific person. Kelly would probably just run off and join Mel Gibson’s racist and anti-Semitic sect anyway, but at least the RCC would very publicly disavow immigrant bashing and make it clear that it would not be tolerated in Catholic politicians.
ETA: Shorter me — it’s basically a way for the RCC to say, “yeah, no,” when someone tries to claim that something they’re doing or saying is backed by Catholic doctrine. And the Pope is the ultimate authority about Catholic doctrine, unlike 99 percent of the churches out there.
J R in WV
@WaterGirl:
Regarding the French 75 drink:
No drink with gin in it is completely innocent.
WaterGirl
@Steve in the ATL: That was an awesome comeback.
WaterGirl
@J R in WV: You may never see this since the thread is dead, but thanks for my first laugh of the day. Out loud, even.