In italics is the quote that Barr put in his letter to Congress.
In Bold is the part he left out. pic.twitter.com/w6psJDIV0N
— Zeddediah Springfield (@Zeddary) April 18, 2019
MUELLER (p. 370): "The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests." pic.twitter.com/y52zTVJgS9
— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) April 18, 2019
Notable: Though Mueller did not establish a conspiracy between Trump campaign & Russia, he did find Trump campaign “expected it would benefit electorally” from Russian interference AND “showed interest” in the stolen documents releases. This, as the Russian attack was underway.
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) April 18, 2019
President Trump's reaction when Mueller was appointed special counsel: "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked." pic.twitter.com/fGL2NCPf6V
— Brad Heath (@bradheath) April 18, 2019
“Recognize one point,” Pelosi told me, the Friday afternoon after the Democrats took the House: “What Mueller might not think is indictable could be impeachable.” https://t.co/phsaiERHpI
— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) April 18, 2019
oh hey watch bill barr literally run away from the cameras when he gets confronted on spinning for trump https://t.co/E7NBMf1lsA pic.twitter.com/Biu6Em7bVx
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) April 18, 2019
REPORTER: "Why isn't Robert Mueller here? It's his report."
BARR: "No it's not."— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) April 18, 2019
I don't know, but the Attorney General pre-spinning a report by a prosecutor critical of the president doesn't seem to be the hallmark of a well-functioning democracy. The AG is supposed to represent the public not be a political hack. There are juntas who care about norms more.
— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) April 18, 2019
This just in on Kremlin TV: "In fiery speech, US attorney general says Russia definitely meddled in election but no Americans guilty, only Russians." (Fiery?) pic.twitter.com/hOlekyAQlq
— Lucian Kim (@Lucian_Kim) April 18, 2019
Over the last week or so, quite a few people suggested that Don McGahn would turn out to be one of the ‘breakout stars’ of this particular GOP shitshow, and my first twitter scans indicate that Trump’s Only Actual Functional Lawyer certainly deserves more attention.
He’s no more honest than any other Trump lackey, but he seems to have been smart enough to present evidence of his own (relative) scruples to reporters in advance. I expect to see much more from him in the immediate future!
The Special Counsel's Office made 14 referrals of evidence of potential criminal activity to outside offices. Only two are publicly known at this point. pic.twitter.com/LtBr3xJ4HD
— Steve Reilly (@BySteveReilly) April 18, 2019
"A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts."
— Michelle Goldberg (@michelleinbklyn) April 18, 2019
On election night, REDACTED "wrote to Dmitriev, 'Putin has won.'" p. 149
— Michelle Goldberg (@michelleinbklyn) April 18, 2019
For those who want to Read the Whole Thing:
Minor Public Service: I ran the not-so-lightly redacted #MullerReport through @Adobe Acrobat to produce a searchable version: https://t.co/HnWZ2knW07. Please RT. @TheRickWilson @SethAbramson @AngrierWHStaff @AngelaBelcamino @JRubinBlogger @kalane99 @PeterTheLane @CTRNewsFeed
— Frederick Lane (@fsl3) April 18, 2019
Read the redacted Mueller Report here: https://t.co/6gMcPuHLrh
— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) April 18, 2019
1. Free NOOK Reading App https://t.co/fE6QtqTAKg … to read #FREE #MuellerReport
Available on ??iTunes or ??Google play or download from Windows Store2. Barnes & Noble is offering a FREE download of the Mueller report https://t.co/30RD2HRaLB … The #MuellerReport#FREE & #FREE
— Linda Marie Lovison (@lilo623) April 18, 2019
Also, because Of Course:
The New York Times will publish a 16-page special print section tomorrow, including summaries & highlights from the paper's annotations of the Mueller Report.
— Michael M. Grynbaum (@grynbaum) April 18, 2019
(((CassandraLeo)))
I think we should be talking at least as much about impeaching
Roy CohnWilliam Barr as about impeaching Crooked Individual-1. If nothing else, getting a conviction for the former is probably a much lighter lift, and there’s already ample evidence he perjured himself before Congress and committed obstruction of justice.eemom
I. fucking. told. y’all. so.
Sorry. It had to be said. ?
Mr Stagger Lee
What a country we live in where the Dotardito (Don Jr) can claim he was exonerated because he was too stupid to know he committed a crime
Baud
@(((CassandraLeo))):
I don’t understand what Barr did that was impeachable. Being a toady isn’t.
rikyrah
Really??
Media Matters (@mmfa) Tweeted:
Mueller report details Sean Hannity was the person that who informed Reince Priebus about the Trump Tower meeting https://t.co/e8bujYYhIj https://twitter.com/mmfa/status/1118998268606914560?s=17
lamh36
Gin & Tonic
@eemom: Thought we’d dodged that bullet.
Major Major Major Major
I was wondering when we were gonna see the first part of that sentence!
Chris T.
Or: “Yeah, OK, I aimed a bunch of guns at the guy and tried to shoot him. But none of them worked! He’s still alive! Attempted murder is no crime!”
NotMax
This episode of “What’s My Lie?” is being brought to you by Gazprom.
:)
different-church-lady
@eemom: Good on ya, eemom!
(((CassandraLeo)))
@Baud: Obstruction of justice? Perjury? Conspiracy? Take your pick. I know Republicans (R-Moscow) are going to take a view that the top law enforcement official is above the law, but I’d like to push back against their “LOL nothing matters” attitude as much as possible, and I think impeaching a criminal AG* is a great start.
*I typed AF at first, and it’s true – he is criminal AF.
banditqueen
@Baud: Barr can be censured and if further investigation supports impeachment, start proceedings at that time?
lamh36
YUP…explains how quiet the Bernie-bros are on twitter…and the only statement Bernie made was basically…”
NotMax
Every day, every opportunity, the first question asked of Sarah what’s-her-face now ought to be “Does the president stand by his repeated statements of believing Mr. Putin’s assertion there was no Russian interference?”
piratedan
my question is, does this JUST have to be about Trump? Can Congress also suggest prosecution based on other findings in the report?
My understanding is that we’re supposedly a nation of laws and that our government is set up so that no person is above the law. As such, if the President (and others in his Administration, as well as, other elected politicians have broken the law (especially THESE laws)), then they have a duty to investigate and level/begin impeachment proceedings and indictments against those that have been found to have committed crimes.
I don’t particularly care about the optics too much in this case, there are principals and even symbolism here, sure the GOP has used it for all of the wrong reasons, that’s still no reason to NOT TO DO THE RIGHT THING. It’s what we teach our children and what we expect from our friends and peers.
DO THE RIGHT THING
If there’s a political cost, its a cost that needs to be paid, just like those folks who decided that Health Care for Americans was something that should be done, this is also something that should be, needs to be done.
TenguPhule
@(((CassandraLeo))):
Republicans will not convict any Republican in the Senate.
Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t impeach every last one of them.
Bonnie
@(((CassandraLeo))): I agree. Barr should be impeached!
lamh36
eemom
@NotMax:
Or, in the alternative: “Does the president stand by his statement that the fat lady has sung?”
TenguPhule
@Baud:
Lying to Congress during his confirmation hearings.
TenguPhule
@Mr Stagger Lee: Ignorance of the law is actually not a valid excuse.
TenguPhule
@eemom:
Do you really want SHS to start singing?
banditqueen
@lamh36:
So Bernard-bros, how about the uphill battle Hillary waged against your BS as well as Russian propaganda, hmmm? And she still won the popular vote.
NotMax
@TenguPhule
Smoke Gets in Your Eyes? //
Bill Arnold
Re the clip “oh hey watch bill barr literally run away from the cameras when he gets confronted on spinning for trump”, watch Rosenstein’s smile/grin.
TenguPhule
@NotMax: Ow. That is terrible. Well played.
Mary G
Not sure if there will be a respite thread, but this story has a happy ending.
Jeffro
All in all, I’m in a good place. This is all we’ll be talking about from now through Election Day 2020, trumpov’s attempts at stirring the culture-war pot notwithstanding.
Good luck, GOP! He’s your boy and you decided to stick with him to the end. So, in the words of a real (and great) President, “…please proceed”
Oh and also: “Reality has a way of asserting itself.” That’s ‘real’ reality, not the Faux Bubble, GOP jackasses.
Steeplejack
Just protecting the privacy of “peripheral third parties.”
Bill Arnold
@rikyrah:
Get a searchable pdf, and start searching for your favorite DJT Administration villains.
lamh36
4. The President of the United States is above the law, especially when you are not politically courageous enough to do anything about it.
Boy…I tell ya…if Trump is re-elected even if Dem don’t pursue impeachment…
TaMara (HFG)
banditqueen
I have questions for the legal scholars here:
If the House brings impeachment charges against a federal official (let’s call him drumpf):
–how long can the House take to investigate the charges leading to impeachment and can those investigations be extensive, with witnesses etc,
–do impeachment proceedings essentially stop other House activities,
–if the Senate starts a trial for impeachment do other Senate activities (such as confirming judges, for example), stop?
Sorry it sounds so basic, but thank you.
Dan B
The NYT will publish a 16 page summary Good Friday. My mind went to “Good Friday Massacre” or “Good Friday Crucifiction”. “Slaughter” appeals because I’m hoping for hundreds of perps to go down, slowly or quickly. Slow or stop confirmation of judges, please!
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Oh, the Bros aren’t quiet right now. They’re just busy lashing out at Neera Tanden and other Democrats as the REAL problem. ?
I now feel justified in my assumption that at least half of the alleged “rose twitter” zealots are actually conservatives and Ron Paul cultists, not actual leftists or liberals.
TenguPhule
@Mnemosyne:
Sigh, that means more likely then not, they are actual leftists behaving badly.
Dan B
@eemom: I’ll go with profetess Karen Carpenter, “It’s Only Just Begun”.
lamh36
@Jeffro: except according to MSM this is EXACTLY what Chump co wants to talk about until 2020…so talk about it them win…don’t talk about it they win.
So no matter what they win…so I say why da fuq NOT go down fighting them fuckers.
Mnemosyne
@piratedan:
IANAL, but I’m pretty sure that Congress does not want to step on any of the 14-ish ongoing criminal cases that Mueller has not yet unveiled.
But that doesn’t mean that they can’t impeach some motherfuckers. Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal one.
Baud
@(((CassandraLeo))):
Based on what facts? I’m hearing charges, but not facts.
rikyrah
MSNBC (@MSNBC) Tweeted:
Chuck Rosenberg says he once believed AG Barr was a “principled institutionalist,” but “he is not what I thought him to be … Barr has gone too far into the tank for the president of the United States.” https://t.co/1qIxyXsQin https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1118884262130925568?s=17
Mary G
lamh36
chopper
i would like to see a lot of congressional investigating prior to any actual attempt at impeachment. not just as to obstruction, which the public is more likely to shrug their shoulders at, but also as to the ‘collusion’ angle. not because i think there’s a whole lot more out there, but because it keeps the daily focus on the fact that TRUMP IS ILLEGITIMATE AND WAS INSTALLED IN THE WH BY THE FUCKING RUSSIANS.
if that becomes the democrat’s main talking point for the next year, this whole mishegas will have been worth it.
Chris Johnson
@lamh36: Dead to me, and I worked for him. Not because he got targeted for such ‘help’, that is SOP for Putin’s tactics: because he didn’t shake it off. (and for the ‘if you want to be a millionaire too, then you write a book!’ come-back. JFC, doubly dead to me, the NERVE of it)
rikyrah
Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) Tweeted:
I literally don’t care if the senate doesn’t convict him.
He can be impeached without the senate doing anything. You’re confusing impeachment and removal.
And then if the senate doesn’t convict, add that to the list of crap Dems can run on in 2020. https://t.co/tYWhkj1iF5 https://twitter.com/AngryBlackLady/status/1119019121599926272?s=17
NotMax
@rikyrah
It scans right to plug in “William Barr” for “Captain Hook.”
:)
TenguPhule
@rikyrah: Preach it!
Villago Delenda Est
@Chris T.: “Does the Nobel Committee hand out awards in attempted chemistry?”
Cheryl Rofer
@rikyrah: “Priebus recalled learning about
the June 9 meeting from Fox News host Sean Hannity in late June 2017.”
p. 99, volume II
Jeffro
@lamh36:
I’m good with fighting each and every way, no worries there. But I’d never put my faith in the MSM’s take on what trumpov wants to talk about, when I think we all know for a fact he’d like to talk culture-war, Fox-Outrage-Machine shit for two years. I seriously doubt he wants every last low-info voter fully up to speed on what he and his campaign did, knew about, encouraged, etc.
Plus, we can ‘walk and chew gum’…let the hearings and investigations and Mueller testimony and Barr testimony play out for a good, long time while our candidates (all 30, god bless ’em!) continue to talk about why the GOP wants to take away their health care and shrink their Medicare and blow up the deficit, etc etc, all so that they can give even more tax cuts to rich folks.
It’s not an either/or. So let’s do the oversight thing, deeply and painfully for every Gooper possible, and be sure to tell voters what we are offering, too.
Chris Johnson
@TenguPhule: Killed my twitter rose just now. Because I agree: on twitter? seriously? Probably at least half are Russian bots. That is not the message I signed up for when I tried to adopt a symbol of American socialism.
Same attitudes and worldview, but one less (co-opted and befouled) symbol. The trollskis can have it. Tempted to put (D)
TenguPhule
@Chris Johnson: I’ll trust your judgement. You haven’t been wrong so far.
TenguPhule
@Villago Delenda Est: “Diplomacy is an art, not a science!”
TenguPhule
@banditqueen:
1. As long as Nancy Pelosi wants them to.
2. No.
3. McConnell has no obligation to even convene the vote to hold the trial in the Senate.
Jay
@Baud:
The investigations and hearings prior to impeachment is where the facts are discovered.
Barr took the Meuller report to the White Supremacy House. If any of the black sharpies littering the White Supremacy House were used for any of the redactions, that’s an impeachable offense.
lamh36
my 2 cents…also no more swipes at HRC campaign from some Dem candidates now that we know the evidence showed Chump was certainly aided and abetted by Russian even if Mueller says Chump was too stupid to “knowingly conspire to collude”
Gin & Tonic
@Chris Johnson:
Oh, come on. He’s been at best a willing dupe and more likely an actual asset for 30+ years.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
We all know that the MSM doesn’t want anyone to talk about this because they got conned, and they’re embarrassed. They’re going to do their absolute best to change the subject to the horse race (“how will this affect the Trump campaign?”) rather than addressing the actual story (“holy motherforking shirtballs, the Russians elected Trump”).
Baud
@lamh36:
Amen!
Kathleen
@lamh36: Reposted from dead thread below (responding to ruemara):
lamh36
Jay
@Jeffro:
@lamh36:
Both the MSM and the Insane Clown POSus claimed that all the Democratic Party Cantidates in 2018, were running against Drumph.
They wern’t, they were running on Policy and Platforms.
The MSM/ReThug attempt to motivate their base, didn’t work.
Kathleen
@lamh36: Thank you!
Chris Johnson
@TenguPhule: Yes I have. Quite publically, and took a shellacking for it too.
On the other hand, when I was most wrong on this site, I was ginning up a big conspiracy theory… that Donald Trump was in cahoots with Vladimir Putin, to the extent that he would want to abruptly flee the country, and possibly there were other high-ranking US officials that would go along with such an insane move.
I think he wishes he could’ve done what I thought he was gonna do. It was not available to him. I was wrong.
If the dude loses his nerve and bails to Russia to mock us from the safety (ha!) of a dacha, I will have a HUMONGOUS ‘I told you so!’
But… nah. I think he might’ve thought he was that tight with Vlad. The Russian Mob does not have that good a retirement plan. He has to stay here and go for broke, or die. If he does die, Pence will carry on his work.
I love the ‘REDACTED said, Putin has won’ line. I imagine Manafort. But wouldn’t it be amazing if that turned out to be Pence? Way to go Mike, you got what you wanted, said his wife bitterly.
Damn but we live in ‘interesting times’.
banditqueen
@TenguPhule: Thank you.
NotMax
@Chris Johnson
Yeah, that thesis was so far out it came back in and went out a second time.
;)
Jeffro
@lamh36: So Dan is on board with my plan at #52, I love it! ;)
Seriously, we can do this folks. The GOP didn’t want to vet their guy, so now – for the country’s sake, for the rule of law, for national security, etc etc etc – we have to do this. And we can do it while we talk about all the things we want to do for our fellow Americans, too.
Jeffro
@Jay: Darned right – they ran on health care and education and climate change and gun safety and WON.
Also: where was Bernie in 2018? Nowhere to be found.
Let’s do it again, Dems!
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@eemom: I remember, and I agreed publicly. So yup, you called it.
Though I also agree with Immanentize that it was the heavy spin of very carefully parsed words (which is often near as makes no difference to lying). Barr is not going to have the same measure of success he did with Iran Contra, is my prediction.
@Gin & Tonic: I can’t imagine you really did.
Jay
@Jeffro:
The Insane Clown POSus/ReThug/MSM plan to run the same campaign plan that utterly failed in 2018, is so Drumph.
Jeffro
@Jay: same campaign plus, “re-elect me or I might go to jail” =)
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT trumpov!
Chris Johnson
@NotMax: I’m almost sorry it was so wackadoodle of a notion. I feel like, if Trump literally was mocking America from the safety of Russia, it might wake people up. And he absolutely would do that, and he absolutely would want to do it… and it wouldn’t help Putin at all, so sorry, Donny, you don’t get the easy way and you sure don’t get a reward.
Still think the difference between his glee at going on THAT trip and his misery when Putin cut him dead and hung around with Arabs… tells a story. I might even have correctly identified the story in Donny’s head: but Donny is an asshole and doesn’t get what he wants. He is not in charge of any of this.
schrodingers_cat
@lamh36: Midwestern elite, PB can just shut the fuck up about HRC and coastal elites.
TenguPhule
@Chris Johnson:
Quite frankly I was good with “boring but honest times”.
lamh36
schrodingers_cat
I see that TP is back.
jl
Sooner or later, our thoughts should turn to the really important issue, what does this mean for the Baud 2020! campaign. Well, a self-impeaching and self-convicting incompetent president would make everything much simpler. After all the US has been through with Trump, that kind of president is needed to restore peace and tranquility to this great nation.
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat: I was ill. I got better. Sorta, kinda. maybe?
TenguPhule
@jl:
Pants will be optional.
Mustard will be mandatory.
Baud
@lamh36:
Is there anything in the report about Bernie? I did a word search and didn’t see him mentioned?
schrodingers_cat
@TenguPhule: I was sick too, with the flu. Still have a bit of a lingering cold.
tobie
@Mnemosyne: The MSM has learned how to talk out of both sides of its mouth with the same conclusion everytime: whatever happens, it’s good for the GOP and bad for Democrats. I snickered when I heard that contrary to usual practice Trump didn’t take questions from the press corp when he boarded Marine 1 today en route to Florida. The news today didn’t turn out the way he and his spinners wanted and he can’t handle it.
Baud
Kamala on Chris!
Cheryl Rofer
@Baud: I didn’t see his name either in a word search, but the Washington Post is saying that the report says that Russians are still in his campaign.
lamh36
My money says…the liar Sarah will no be giving anymore WH Press briefing…either because they just won’t give any more…or cause Chump will use Sarah as a scapegoat and she’ll fall on her sword and resign rather than face the press…
cause seems to me the way the WHPC defended SHS so vigorously after Michelle Wolf, not even more appropros remarks, the way the media are seemingly really pissed about her lying….
lamh36
Kamala Harris on Chris Hayes show now
jl
@Baud: Russia attempts to reach out to Trupmsters, versus BS and progressives went on separate tracks. Or maybe Mueller put very narrow bounds on his investigation. For example, was the NRA mentioned? I’m curious about that angle. And I haven’t downloaded my personal copy of the report yet.
rikyrah
Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) Tweeted:
a Kremlin official literally called Hope Hicks’ cell phone at 3am on election night to convey a message from Putin! https://t.co/lcRGwOvjH1 https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/1118938576849375233?s=17
Baud
@jl:
Right. But people are bringing up Bernie, so I was wondering why this report triggered that.
JGabriel
@TenguPhule:
Yes. In a courtroom or deposition.
lamh36
rikyrah
@lamh36: ?????
lamh36
Baud
@lamh36:
Ah! The word search doesn’t seem to pick up words near redactions.
Cheryl Rofer
Chris Johnson
@lamh36:
‘betrayed’.
Doubly, ‘cos of that ‘write a hit book to be a millyunaiah!’ crack. I stand by the shit he said. I wish to fuck HE would, but apparently that’s too much to ask.
He ain’t the only one carrying that message. With a bit of luck he’ll be the only one who turned out to be lying about it. Credit for reading the zeitgeist?
eemom
So is Dump tweeting anything today? (Don’t do twitter and even if I did, etc.)
Gin & Tonic
@lamh36:
But won’t.
Jay
@Baud:
See lamh36 at comment #95
NotMax
@Chris Johnson
He could relocate to Essex in England, midway between the towns of Ugley and Nasty (real place names).
:)
SFAW
@Baud:
Try searching “Wilmer.” You might have more success.
lamh36
@eemom: I’m a tweeter (@psddluva4evah, btw) but I refuse to see Chump tweets on my TL…I only see them if others post them
Villago Delenda Est
@Jeffro: Running on policy is essentially running against Donald, who can’t articulate any policy other than “brown people BAD!”
lamh36
Non-Mueller report news!!
Chris Johnson
@Cheryl Rofer: I think it was Tad Devine. I really do. That guy was behind so many Dem fails. And he and Devine parted ways, SO recently. I think he got wise, far too late. The decent thing to do would’ve been to withdraw (we have better leftists now, real ones)
If the hard core conspiracy theorists are right about him, then he’d have cut Devine loose because he knew what was coming, and he’d have hung on to the guy as long as possible knowing he was a link to his bosses in Russia. It would look similar to what we’ve seen. It’s like Adam S’s ‘If Trump was an intentional Russian agent, what would he be doing differently?’. Same deal.
I don’t remember the kids around the office talking Russian back in NH, but they’d be the dupes, and they did have a huge grudge against Third Way Dems. That, I still share, but it makes you vulnerable to manipulation. Not good. I do know we weren’t in charge of the campaign. The brain trust was elsewhere, we were just the footsoldiers, and everyone I saw personally was lit up about the message and the amazingness of an American politician hammering away at that message.
I don’t know if he was already a millionaire when I was giving him hundreds of dollars I couldn’t really spare. Not all his money is Russian dark money. Maybe this time it is. I’m suspicious of his sudden flood of donations upon announcing. Us ’27$’ types can’t free up even twenty dollars that suddenly.
Ken
REPUBLICANS. “Let’s stall by releasing the report in a difficult-to-use format.”
(Forty five minutes pass)
TECHNOCRATS: “Now available for free download in a searchable PDF or Nook format.”
lamh36
@lamh36:
TenguPhule
@schrodingers_cat: Bacterial infection of the lungs and throat. They had to put me on some heavy antibiotics.
It was less then pleasant. My voicebox is still recovering.
TenguPhule
@JGabriel: Touche.
lamh36
Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho
@lamh36: I follow you. ? (@BellaIdahoQ and Kathleen does also;I’ll let her announce her own twitternym)
TenguPhule
@lamh36:
This is my surprised face.
: |
TenguPhule
@eemom:
If a bear shits in the woods, is he the pope?
lamh36
@TenguPhule: Oh sorry to hear that.
If you don’t mind me asking (I’m a Hospital Microbiologist), but did they tell the name of the bacteria that caused the infection?
The good news I guess is that it didn’t turn into a blood infection as well, those are a bit harder to fight
Baud
Klobochar coming up on Chris.
TenguPhule
@lamh36:
Do I believe the Nazis who have been caught lying repeatedly or do I believe the Sovereign Citizen brownshirts?
Fuzz
The problem is that obstruction of justice is going to be a partisan fight. Collusion would have provided unassailable proof, real ammo, to impeach. The GOP would literally have had to defend “light treason” (to quote George Bluth) That’s why I’m not encouraged. It says that Trump is an arrogant moron but that’s been established for years, he was elected in spite of it/because of it. The fact that not even George P or Carter Page, who literally had been approached by Russian intelligence multiple times over the years as a potential agent, were indicted for conspiring with Russia is amazing.
Martin
Regarding impeachment, I’m reminded of this Lyndon Johnson story:
It doesn’t matter if Republicans won’t vote to impeach – along the way they’ll be forced to defend Trump’s lawbreaking. That’s not nothing.
PsiFighter37
@lamh36: Oblivious White people can’t feel shame.
lamh36
On Hayes, Kamala did not mention impeachment…she was more like Nadler & Schiff and the other Dems I’ve seen so far on the nets…not like off message bullshit Hoyer did.
in the case of Nadler, Schiff and Kamala, I see the Dem strategy is not to say the workd impeachment…but not that the investigations should not occur, and they didn’t say like Hoyer said, essentially that no discussion of impeachement because we are political cowards…
there is a difference…but I freely admit…I don’t want a candidate that is like some of the newer reps…and just goes out with no mind for strategy or even serious reflections before speaking.
But yes, I would love to have had her say “impeach the fuq’er” on Hayes…but I didn’t expect her to.
But she still came off better than Hoyer !
Baud
@lamh36:
She’s also in the Senate, so she doesn’t really have a say.
TenguPhule
@lamh36: Doctor didn’t say other then that it seemed to be “going around” and prescribed me a course of antibiotics. Whatever it was, it wrecked me, I was coughing nonstop and lost my voice the entire time.
ETA: Frankly I’m just glad my insurance covered the treatment and the copay wasn’t murder.
TenguPhule
@Fuzz:
For the Nth+1 time, the proper charge is conspiracy against the United States.
lamh36
I’m telling ya’ll the media are pissed bout the hunchback lying to them.
With the WHPC anger there can be no way she’ll be able to continue on as Press Sec unless Chump co just decides to never give another briefing or speak to the MSM press until 2020..
Like I said before… Chuckles one was downright perturbed over the SHS…and Anderson Cooper was pratically smirking when recounted her lie about Comey…
Time to start a pool on when SHS immediate resignation happens or Chump outright fires her and throws her under the bus…
schrodingers_cat
@TenguPhule: Taking probiotics and eating yogurt helps me when I am on any antibiotics course.
Mary G
@TenguPhule: I missed you; welcome back. Sorry to hear you had no fun; keep getting better.
TenguPhule
@Mary G: Thanks. Missed you guys too.
Jay
@lamh36:
“Impeachment does not necessarily result in removal from office; it is only a legal statement of charges, parallel to an indictment in criminal law. An official who is impeached faces a second legislative vote (whether by the same body or another), which determines conviction, or failure to convict, on the charges embodied by the impeachment. ”
“An indictment (/ɪnˈdaɪtmənt/ in-DYT-mənt) is a criminal accusation that a person has committed a crime. In jurisdictions that use the concept of felonies, the most serious criminal offence is a felony; jurisdictions that do not use the felonies concept often use that of an indictable offence, an offence that requires an indictment.”
lamh36
@TenguPhule: Dang sorry to hear that. Well, If they gave you antibiotic then it was more bacterial than viral….if it started as a throat/respiratory infection, is was like a respiratiory pathogen like one Strep pneumoniae (which can be normal upper respiratory flora, but when it over grows the other normal flora it can be a problem)… or one of the Beta-hemolytic streps that can cause throat infections commonly, but when not treated can def lead to upper respiratory infection…
I’ll stop there, as you can guess I can talk about it ALL day…it is my bread an butter.
Glad to hear you’re mostly pass it…the thing to watch for now is if you feel no better or ceeling like you can’t catch your breath, especially when you move around a lot. Feeling very tired. Low appetite…def go back to see your doctor or call whatever doctor line you may have.
Mary G
WaPo Opinions
George Conway: Trump is a cancer on the presidency. Congress should remove him.
If he and Alternative Facts are playing both sides, he’s really good at it.
lamh36
@TenguPhule: Also too…good advice from @schrodingers_cat:
A strong enough antibiotic may obliterate your normal flora enough so that things like yeast infection often occur. So def each some probiotic yogurt and such.
Also too if you were a lady of pregnacy bearing age…I’d tell ya to be mindful that some antibiotic treatments makes birth control essentially ineffective..
But again…TMI from the Microbiologist mind…to you…
;-)
TenguPhule
Wapo breaking news.
I give up. This nation is fucked.
TenguPhule
@lamh36: Lol. Thanks for the advice, both of you.
lamh36
Thank goodness Hayes is done…time for Rachel.
Ok..Rachel…I expect alot from you
Bill Arnold
@Baud:
OCR fail; the pages with lots of redactions aren’t searchable; e.g. page 23 mentions Sanders.
Need a better searchable version!!!!
Kathleen
@lamh36: You mean Trump stole Bernie’s shtick?
lamh36
More Non-political news…
WHAT DAFUQ Ancestry.com…
seriously guys…you have GOT to see this commerical…talk about tone-fuq’n-deaf
TenguPhule
A man chucked his iguana at restaurant staff, police say. The lizard is in intensive care.
Guess which state.
Surprisingly not Florida.
Chris Johnson
Do you suppose they (Russia y’know) would like everyone to focus completely on Trump and blast him away like being hit with a GIANT LAZOR, leaving only smoking boots… and then put in Pence and act like everything is fixed? I seriously want to know what is in the redactions. They are still covering shit up.
I think Pence is dirty as fuck. Pence is Manafort’s pick. We could be seeing a tactic for laying it all on Trump and pretending that Pence is okay.
Jay
PopeHat’s been fun on the twitterz
Kathleen
@Alternative Fax, a hip hop artist from Idaho: Thanks, Bella! @urbanmeemaw
ETA Hope you are doing well!
lamh36
YES!!! Rachel starting out talking about Russia interference in the election and the evidence the Meuller report shows…even before candidate Trump… how it seem to seamlessly work with efforts to help elect Trump!
YAS!!!
MSNBC shoulda gave Maddow the entire night!
Baud
@lamh36: Her style is perfect for this story.
Cheryl Rofer
@Chris Johnson: Oh, good guess. Devine worked with Manafort too.
I’m losing track of the cast of thousands. Plus I have a miserable cold, but getting better.
Martin
@lamh36: Senators won’t answer that question. They’re the jury of an impeachment trial. They really shouldn’t present an opinion. That’s why House members are much more open – they have a very different role.
lamh36
something tells me Nancy P had a talk with Steny…too damn late
Or as someone elsewhere said…Steny was the sacrifical lamb sent to drop that bomb to see what the reaction would be…IDK…
TS (the original)
@Dan B:
The paper of record, the paper who said no Russian interference, the paper who agreed with Barr – no collusion. The downfall of democracy – aided and abetted by the NYT.
lamh36
lamh36
TS (the original)
@Mnemosyne:
But who is continuing these criminal cases. I imagine the DOJ will drop any that are on their list.
Mary G
@lamh36: Steny got taken to the woodshed out back.
lamh36
Maddow now on the Manafort segments…
smintheus
Trump and his lackeys – including Barr – constitute a crime syndicate. He needs to impeached. If not, I can see no reason why future presidents would not expect to get away with suborning perjury, obstruction of justice, and destroy evidence whenever they’re investigated. For that matter, why would a president not treat the presidency as a criminal shield for any and every kind of enterprise, including traitorous activities?
It’s the never-impeachment folks who are living in a fantasy world, not those who demand some long overdue action by the House.
Kay
It’s weird because the Berniacs deny this, but Sanders doesn’t. They’re insurgents in their own campaign :)
Bernie actually believes there’s an international Right wing effort designed and run by plutocrats, which I assume includes Russia. He’s said this! More than once! I don’t know- why don’t they believe him?
Another Scott
@banditqueen: Given that a Congress only lasts 2 years, and lots of things don’t continue from one Congress to the next, any Impeachment stuff that starts now would have to be complete by January 3, 2021 when the 116th Congress ends.
At least that’s my understanding. Corrections welcome.
Cheers,
Scott.
Kay
@TS (the original):
They all think they do a great job. Half their twitter is telling one another how great they are.
lamh36
I’ll say it again…I will NEVER forget about the folks on the left that defended Greenwald to the bitter end…even in the face of so many obvious clues that the guy was full of shit and not to be trusted.
BlueDWarrior
@Kay: because they’re crackpots who are using Bernie as a mechanism to burn the system down and usher in the Glorious People’s Revolution.
BlueDWarrior
@lamh36: Greenwald is an entitled SOB who is way more bourgeoisie than he pretends to (not) be.
He’s only for justice when it harms someone who he deems an enemy.
lamh36
The one leader who has been calling Chump co out since the begining…
Jay
@TS (the original):
Doesn’t work that way in the US. US AG’s have gone to jail for interfering or trying to supress an investigation.
Meuller will have passed some of those investigations onto other jurisdictions, and he hasn’t closed up his shop yet.
TenguPhule
@Jay:
All previous norms and expectations no longer apply.
Kay
@BlueDWarrior:
But it will happen to Bernie! They only promoted Bernie because they thought it would elect Trump. They really think an international far Right movement isn’t going to operate against Bernie Sanders? Do they no longer know the difference between Right and Left? They think any old insurgent candidate will do? They wanted TRUMP, because they wanted a RIGHT wing stooge. They don’t want a Left wing stooge. They’re plutocrats, for God’s sake.
BlueDWarrior
@TenguPhule: they only apply to non-Republicans.
Republicans will protect other Republicans until they are deemed useless to the tribe, then they are retroactively declared Democrats and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
Jay
@lamh36:
I stick to GlemGreenwald on twitter.
BlueDWarrior
@Kay: the ones who realize that become general leftists who may or may not prefer Bernie more than others.
Those who don’t fall into the cult of Bernie, and bitterly attack and denigrate anyone who accosts the golden calf they worship.
NotMax
@lamh36
She’s in the right place to get her Irish up.
;)
lamh36
Rachel pointing out that nothing in the report about Trump co financials and that Schiff said all along that he didn’t believe that Mueller and his team was looking at financial ties or implication that they were looking at how Chumps possibly moneylaudering
Schiff talking on Maddow now about how that could tell how that allowed Russia to compromise Chump co
Jay
@TenguPhule:
Naw, in a world filled with instant gratification, from Twitter hot takes, Pornhub and Lawn Order, norms and expectations take longer than most peoples attention spans.
Norms and expectations have always taken “a long time” to play out.
“We’ve” forgotten that.
BTDubs, get healthy. Take care.
zhena gogolia
@lamh36:
I was so depressed today because at least three people who I thought were smart and sensible said the old, “Bernie is saying what needs to be said” line. SIGH.
NotMax
@zhena gogolia
Bozhe moi.
Uncle Cosmo
@NotMax: A Whiter Shade of Fail?
Kathleen
@lamh36: That was I.
Kathleen
@Kay: If he were so concerned about that why didn’t he report Russia’s activity on behalf of his campaign to FBI?
Dan B
@rikyrah: Good to know that Hope Hicks was working hard to make peace with Russia!
3 AM phone call! Doesn’t he understand time zones? He’s only got 11 of them.
Kathleen
@Kay: Bernie is very useful to them in achieving their goal (not just Russian’s) of destroying Democratic party. They don’t want him to win. But they will reward him handsomely for his Presidential runs.
jl
@Kay: The Berniacs are a tiny group of nutcases on social media. Some of them are crackpots who were disappointed that BS didn’t run as an independent. Others might be the Russian trolls people are looking for in BS’s campaign. I think the idea that BS himself is a Russian agent of some kind of, is jumping off the deep end into a pool of conspiracy mongering.. But, maybe some of these crackpots are on some foreign plutocrat’s payroll.
Kathleen
@Uncle Cosmo: Whiter Shade of Wail.
patrick II
An important lesson for future presidential contestants– if you are going to conspire with a foreign country to steal an election, be sure to win because evidently presidents are totally above the law.
jl
@lamh36: “Steny was the sacrifical lamb sent to drop that bomb to see what the reaction would be”
Hard to tell whether Hoyer is a flunky who is willing to go out and make a noxious fool of himself when the Democratic leadership wants to send up a trial balloon, or he is just an exhausted corrupt old hack.
Steeplejack
@Mary G:
God, the comments on that thread are hilarious! That’s what I love about Twitter.
Dan B
@lamh36: Gawd I hope there is video! This armed mob was probably not nice. Their tactic was probably to terrorize the asylum seekers. Chaos erupting everywhere makes it tougher to focus on the prize.
Maxine, AOC, Pramila (my rep!) keep us focused. We can’t slow the terrorsm until the enablers are hamstrung – or rooted out. Both please!
Dan B
@lamh36: You must have watched Reconstruction by HLG Jr. It felt like a call to white people to include the full story in high school history. Oh, I forgot, we’re doing STEM now…
The parallels to today’s trends were striking. Not everything but enough if the slowly creeping destruction of democracy with moments of wrenching change.
Ghost of Joe Lieblings Dog
@schrodingers_cat:
Unendingly.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Yes, Auntie Maxine???
Plato
Steve in the ATL
@Baud:
Ooh—so I have a chance to be AG in the Baud! administration!
Matt McIrvin
@Jay: 2018 was a midterm–different dynamic; the party with the White House has a disadvantage in those. It has an advantage in presidential reelection years, other things being equal. And right now, the indications that exist are that Democratic enthusiasm is down relative to 2018, and the left is already busy eating itself. So I wouldn’t rely on the strategy not working.
Matt McIrvin
@Kay: It does feel like this could be a wedge that splits the party-criticizing further-left down the middle: the Chapo/Nation/Intercept types say the Russia story is a hoax or a distraction, whereas the Congressional insurgents like AOC/Tlaib/Omar are making the strongest calls for Trump’s impeachment, and a lot of their admirers are complaining that the Democrats aren’t going hard enough on it. And AOC has associations with the Justice Democrats. What do they do? What does the Bernie movement end up saying? AOC was closely associated with Bernie for a while, but he’s also got a bunch of Jill Stein crazies at the top of his organization.
plato
Steve in the ATL
@plato: did he mention that same sentiment applies to his wife?
Jay
@Matt McIrvin:
Except that the top stories at the Intercept are all Trump/Russia/Meuller positive,
And GG is busy pissing on the Intercept on twitter.
Jay
@Matt McIrvin:
Actually, the MSM is busy planting faux stories on the Dems eating themselves,
In the real world, not so much.
And while the MSM loves to point out that Drumph’s support is steady amongst ReThugs, they hate having to point out that there are a lot fewer ReThugs than 2016.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Another Scott: Nope, Clinton was impeached in one Congress and tried in another.
Another Scott
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Ok, but one can argue that Impeachment in the House (105th Congress) and trial in the Senate (106th Congress) are different things. My answer was in the context of the question on what Nancy can do in the House.
Thanks.
Cheers,
Scott.