Via Oliver, I find the most vile and disgusting post yet to grace the blogosphere. A sample:
But guess who it is almost every time, darlin? Yep. It’s the niggers going crazy again. Black leaders should be outraged by such behavior and they should be preaching AGAINST IT, not encouraging it or excusing it. But I’ll never live long enough to see such honesty from ANY goddam politician alive today.
I am becoming more comfortable with the word “nigger” since the 1960s. I had compassion for an oppressed people back then. But I watched them shit all over every opportunity handed to them for the last 40 years, and you know what we have now? Not a minority absorbed into our society. We just have a bunch of niggers running wild.
You can face the truth or you can run from it, but whatever the choice, it won’t change a damned thing. 49% of our prison population is black. Black wimmen have a 70% illegitmate birth rate. Only one in three black men (who AREN’T in prison) has a goddam job.
No people can continue down that track and ever hope to succeed in this country. That’s a fact, and I don’t give a shit what Maxine Waters and Jesse Jackson have to say about it. I’ve seen too many other people do it.
Read it again to let it sink in. My favorite part is “I am becoming more comfortable with the word “nigger” since the 1960s.”
It is 2004. It must kill him that a ‘nigger’ is Secretary of State and National Security Adviser. After all- they are all the same.
I don’t know whether to be happy or upset about this post. Why happy? I like being able to keep an eye on the klansmen- I like to know what unrepentant bigots like the Acidman are up to- otherwise they might start trying some crazy shit.
Why depressed? Other than the obviously deplorable bigotry, I might remind readers that the Acidman has a ‘bionic dick.’ He might be reproducing as we speak.
At anyrate, one piece of white trash gone from the permalinks.
Rick
I understand from reading that guy about a year ago that he dabbles in music. Maybe he can compose some “cracker rap.” Sounds like he has the lyrics written.
Cordially…
keith edge
why is it asians are typically the most successful of the minorities? I want someone to explain this to me. As far as I know, they’re not statistically any more intelligent than anyone else.
andrew r
Asian immigrants tend to be well off when they live in their home country. In St. Paul, Minnesota there is a large Hmong population. They tend to be refugees and encounter many of the same social problems that other minorities do. Much of Asian sucess is explained by socioeconomics.
Keith Berry
I’m speechless. I am totally without speech.
Kimmitt
What Andrew R. said in re: Asian success stories.
Josh
Everyone here does realize that there is a gigantic, and very substantial difference between an African-American and a nigger, right? Its the same difference between a Caucasian-American and white trash, and a Hispanic/Latino-American and a spic. There are good people and then there’s shit. Not saying this guy or the words (though they are only words) are right, but maybe that’s the distinction he’s trying to make. Just a thought.
andrew r
Josh-
I don’t like the word “white-trash” its just code for poor white people.
Emperor Misha I
Sure sounds like he hates them all.
Just listen to this hate speech:
…or how ’bout this obvious disdain for all of those black folks that he hates without exception?:
A regular Heinrich Himmler, that Acidman.
John Cole
C’mon Misha. There is no way to reasonably look at thatpost of his.
Dean
Andrew r and Kimmitt: So, economics is destiny?
This seems to ignore (unless your definition of socioeconomics covers this, mine doesn’t) the value that many Asians (esp. Northeast Asians) place on education, the continued import of the family to many of these cultures, and the ability to retain cohesion in the face of the much more free-wheeling American lifestyle.
Yes, the Hmong have done poorly, as have many Filipinos. But the Koreans have done quite well, many Chinese (esp. those of the post-1949 diaspora) and Japanese have done well. Most interestingly, many VIETNAMESE (who were relocated at the same time, or even after, the Hmong) have done quite well. And Vietnamese boat people were not exactly wealthy English-speaking professionals.
Brian
John,
I sent this e-mail to Oliver, and now I say the same to you:
Why are you wasting valuable blog space on this dope? He is getting thousands of hits he doesn’t deserve because of you mentioning him. This type of racist bullshit is all over the internet as it is. I’d rather not see bloggers I like give these guys any mentions. I told Oliver this, and I am telling you: Don’t bother
tom scott
My wife is Chinese from Taiwan. I travel to Taiwan about annually to visit in-laws. I am active in the Chinese community in Anchorage. I watch their children grow and go on to college. We lived for 2 years in Korea and after moving to Anchorage my wife worked for 6 1/2 years for Korean Air Lines. We know many Koreans. Has anyone read lately of Asians rejecting education because it was “acting white?”
From Thomas Sowell’s “Civil Rights: Rhetoric or Reality.”
Through out southeast Asia, cor several centuries, the Chinese minority has been–and continues to be–the target of explicit, legalized discrimination in various occupations, in admission to institutions of higher learning, and suffers bans and restrictions on land ownership and places of residence. Nowhere in Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, or the Phillipines have the Chinese ever experienced equal opportunity. Yet in all these countries the Chinese minority–about 5 percent of the population of southeast Asia–owns a majority of the nations total investments in key industries. By the middle of the twentieth century, the Chinese owned 75 percent of the rice mills in the Phillipines , and between 80 and 90 percent of the rice mills in Thailand. They conducted more than 70 ercent of the retail trade in Thailand, Vietnam, and Indonesia, Cambodia, the Phillipines and Malaysia. In Malaysia, where the anti-Chinese discrimination is written into the constitution, is embodied in preferential quotas for Malays in government and private industry alike, and extends to admissions and scholarships at the universities, the average Chinese continues to earn twice the income of the average Malay.
That didn’t really respond to you post but was for andrew r and kimmitt. Not all Asians share the same set of values and principles. The Phillipines strikes more as more Hispanic than Asian. Indeed, many of the names (Ferdinand Marcos) are Hispanic in origin.
But yup John, the post you cited was pretty bad. That’s why I didn’t read Gutrumbles for long. I decided that it was possibly not just hyberbole but that he believed some of it. Nearly as bad as what was on the Stern show. “”Caller: “Ever bang a famous nigger chick? What
do they smell like? Watermelons?”
CadillaqJaq
To andrew r:
If “white trash” is a code-word for poor white people, does it stand to reason that “nigger” must then be a code-word for poor African-Americans? I can’t speak for them, but I’m white and grew up in abject poverty (we were poor hard working farmers) and we weren’t considered to be “white trash.”
FYI, I’ve experienced quite a number of well-to-do “white trash” individuals in my life. Please allow the $20-bill to be dragged down a different street?
Emperor Misha I
John, I agree with you completely that the “n” bomb is a damn despicably offensive word. Some might say that it’s “only a word” and, logically, they’d be right, but that doesn’t keep my skin from crawling whenever I see it, nor does it change my opinion that I’d never use it.
It’s a nasty word, it’s offensive, it’s rude and it disgusts me.
What I’m saying isn’t that I’m trying to defend the word or his usage of it. He shouldn’t have. His post had a point and a very good one too, unless you belong to the group of people that believe that any criticism of the entitlement scam that Jesse Hi-Jackson, Al Sharpton and Queasy Mfumes have been running for ages with the blessings of a certain party is the same as racism, and I’m sure that you don’t belong to that group of people, John.
Problem is that he could’ve made that point without using that damn word and that the fact that he used it (and so many times) drowned out whatever point he might have had to begin with.
If I THOUGHT that he was a racist as in “I believe all blacks are inferior to me”, then I too would’ve dropped him faster than a hot potato, because I have a less-than-zero tolerance for racism and firmly believe that racists should be tied in burlap sacks filled with rocks and dropped off of cliffs.
And if that post of his had been the only one I’d ever read, I most certainly WOULD think that he was, but it isn’t the only post I’ve ever read, so I don’t.
What I DO think is that he finally had enough of the “homeys” running amok (and before anybody goes ballistic over that one, please let me know when the last time was that you saw any other minority go apeshit like that) without anybody daring to question it and, as a result, went off on a rant containing some highly questionable language, to say the very least.
What I also think is that he used it in the ONLY way I’ve ever heard anybody use it down here in the South, namely to describe a subset of blacks, not ALL blacks. You know, just like when I say “Islamofascists” I don’t mean ALL Muslims, only the ones still living in the Middle Ages, and when I say “paleosimian”, I don’t mean ALL of the displaced Arabs that we usually refer to as Palestinians, only the ones who think that blowing up Israeli toddlers on buses is a perfectly acceptable, even laudable policy.
Still, illogical as it may be, I refuse to use the “n”-word altogether and I agree completely with you that Rob should’ve done the same.
But that’s all what I THINK and, of course, I could be wrong. And if I am, then I too will dissociate myself from him quicker than Clinton dropping his pants in the presence of an intern.
I hope that clarifies it a bit, John :)
Al Bee
Asians are successful because they tend to work their ass off.
Al Bee
To each his own. Stop being so shocked and stop playing sociologist. He has the right to speak his piece whether you agree or not.If you want to criticize free speech move to North Korea.
Me, I’m just a dumb ass retired Army E-8 who has heard a lot worse from both sides of the fence.
Keith Edge
I’m disappointed in you, Misha. Coming from Europe, you more than most should know about the famous soccer(sorry, Football) riots that occur routinely. Aren’t the English or Irish or whomever also going apeshit? Or how about the routine rioting after championship games, such as the LA insanity after the Lakers won their last championship(riots that featured both whites and blacks getting all “niggered-up”)? See where this is headed?
Kimmitt
“This seems to ignore (unless your definition of socioeconomics covers this, mine doesn’t) the value that many Asians (esp. Northeast Asians) place on education,”
There’s a reason these folks were relatively wealthy before they came to the US in the first place.
Essentially, the argument is that in some areas, the US has been fortunate enough to skim the cream of the crop, so it’s not surprising that they are unusually successful.
keith edge
doesn’t your argument sort of fall apart when you consider the financial success of the descendants of the Boat People? I mean, if you’re fleeing your home country en masse, there’s at least a moderate chance there’ll be quite a few not-well-offers sprinkled in here and there.
Max M
Misha, his use of the n-bomb wasn’t the only reason his post was racist, although its gratuitous use (what 15 times) hardly helps. For instance, telling black people to go back to Africa is thoroughly racist. There’s more but I’m not going to go into it. Even if he doesn’t have ‘I hate n***’ on his forehead, he’s speaking the language of racists.
But… I actually read through some of his archives and I think he’s a facinating guy and a very good writer, and I ended up thinking that he probably isn’t a bigot, and he definitely isn’t your stereotypical redneck who hates black people.
This post, for example, where he talks about his childhood, is excellent – content and writing both, in the mind of this yellow-dog Democrat.
Emperor Misha I
I am neither English nor Irish and I have absolutely no intentions of feeling in the least bit sorry about those cavemen’s despicable behavior.
We do, however, have a term for them and yet we’ve never been accused of being racist for referring to them as hooligans or worse.
Besides, I thought we were talking about this country, not Europe.
I agree, if you take it out of context. It remains a fact, however, that quite a few (if not all) of those hoods acting like Neanderthals insist on being referred to as “African-Americans”, even though they’re no more African than I am.
It doesn’t seem too unfair then to ask them if they wouldn’t be happier on the continent that they obviously prefer over this one.
No, I don’t have much tolerance for hyphenated Americans, no matter where they come from.
If you can’t find it in yourself to even refer to yourself as a citizen of the country whose rights and privileges you enjoy, then I don’t consider it unfair to ask the question: “What the hell are you doing here, then?”
You won’t find ME walking around insisting on people calling me “Danish-American”, for instance.
Emperor Misha I
Oh, and I just realized that I failed to address part of your post, Keith, sorry about that:
Yes, I am well aware that parts of the crowd in LA were white and I would have absolutely no reservations in referring to those sad wastes of skin as “white trash” either.
That’s the whole point: It’s addressed at a specific subset of a group, not the group as a whole. When I call British soccer idiots “hooligans”, I’m not expressing the opinion that all Brits are mindless troglodytes, just the ones killing people over a stupid soccer match.
Ric Locke
I’m gonna echo Misha here.
From reading Acidman’s blog, I suspect that, far from being horrified that there are black people as Secretary of State and National Security Advisor, to him it’s gratifying. I know it is to me.
At the same time, I also know damn well that, somewhere in the United States, a possible future Colin Powell is being beaten up by his schoolmates for “acting white,” or at minimum being sneered at as an “oreo.” That kid’s crime? Wanting to learn, wanting to achieve — and accepting the society as it is and working within it.
I know a lot of black people. My brother and I just sold our mother’s house to a couple who are black; my mother, who could easily have given Acidman a run for his money verbally, treated Chuck like a member of the family for the last fifteen years of her life. He and Linda are hard workers, achievers, members in good standing of American society, and I’m damn glad Civil Rights came along to give them and many others like them a chance.
I also know a few — yes, I’ll use the word — niggers. Violent, ignorant, jive-talking braggarts, who have no agenda but destruction, and are confident that the ability to destroy trumps the ability to achieve; the only saving grace being that they’re too lazy to go around destroying much. The only quality they have that’s relevant to them themselves is their blackness, which they use like a flag to help maintain their non-contributory lifestyle. I will insult them as I please — and, if you’ll go back and read, not just that post, but the rest of Acidman’s blog, you will see that it’s them (and their equally no-good sisters) that he’s insulting, not the Tiger Woodses, Colin Powells, and Condoleeza Rices of the world — nor the Chuck and Linda Kennedys.
I am of an age and ethnicity to have been on the wrong side of Civil Rights, and I was. Like Misha, I rarely or never use the n-bomb any more. That doesn’t mean that the issues it raises aren’t worth discussion. I’ll grant their right to exist; I’ll even (grudgingly) continue to vote to support them, because there’s no way to avoid throwing the baby out with the bath water, no way to suppress them without pushing Chuck and Linda back in the mud. But dammit, not recognizing them as a destructive force isn’t helping Chuck and Linda either.
Regards,
Ric
keith edge
I know you’re not english or irish, misha. I couldn’t remember hearing about any German soccer riots lately, though, so I used a different example.
dgci
I feel your pain. We de-linked Acidman a long time ago. Loved his site the first few times we viewed it, but since his marital troubles began the quality of his writing steadily deteriorated.
keith edge
I agree with the essential idea that Ric, Misha, and, yes, Acidman have expressed. I’m annoyed with Mr. Acidman primarily because he went about it in such a shitty way. He would have convinced a lot more people if he’d done it with some decorum.
capt joe
Whenever someone starts talking about “wealthy asians” as an excuse for their success here, I hear the n-word being applied. It is just another form of racism.
Believe it or not, someone (no everyone) can succeed through their own hard work. My wife is filipino and we have lived all over the place North America, Asia, and Europe. I see racism applied to her all the time. I see the hurt it causes her. But she is the one pulling me back from a proper application of extreme bruising.
My thoughts on the “successful asian” and the not so successful asian is those that succeed place a premium on education and hard work. Blowing it off as “Oh they had money” is pure racism.
Kong
My only problem with acidman is that he will shit all over the place and tell you about it with pride, but the moment you dump a load of your own he becomes a paragon of cleanliness.
To counter an argument I made against him once he pointed out I misspelled ‘liberal’. He then said I shot down my own argument at the end by calling him a ‘cocksucker’. (Well, he made me mad, dammit!)
Pot, meet kettle.
But, anyway, his point, grotesque as he made it, is valid. It seems the pioneers of the civil rights movement have raised a group of thugs and beggars up behind them. Sad days.
Kong
Jack Rich
The Acidman post is far less disturbing than things routinely posted on MoveOn or the rants of a Noam Chomsky.
Why? Because it’s clearly a post of frustration with those who would apologize for animal-like behavior. As opposed to commitment to failed left-wing ideology, which shows a clear mental defect.
Language can be a weapon, but I believe that our sensitivity police have spent too many hours of overtime on Acidman’s gratuitous use of a racial slur. Let’s spend the energies in eliminating the vulgarity and underachievement that constitutes ghetto “culture.”
Side note: a good friend of ours is moving heaven and earth to get out of such a ghetto, partly because her son gets beat up for “acting white.” They live in the People’s Republic of Columbia, where it’s a more heinous crime to say that racial epithet than it is to act like a hoodlum. That’s the sort of mentality we should reserve for our ire.
However, I delinked Acidman many months ago because of his use of profanity in lieu of words that have actual meaning. The use of a racial slur is in the same category. It’s a lazy man’s way of writing.
Jussi H
I was going to argue about the failure of welfare policy.About how the effects of cash handouts on a recipient community are fairly similar,from country to country,regardless of race.
I could have added a few things about inferior public education.Or about the lack of law enforcement in a community fostering a criminal culture that feeds on itself.
But all of that would’ve been beside the point.Just let it be noted that there is a very persuasive conservative explanation,put forth by Thomas Sowell,among others, for the failure of (a part of) the black community in the US.A case which,by the way, doesn’t rest on theories of racial inferiority.
A-man did not use that.Instead,he spouted classic racist propaganda.
And those who don’t want to be taken for a duck shouldn’t make duck noises.
ascalia
Quack quack. Kneejerk reflexive P.C. pablum and double standard rearing it’s ugly head again. It’s the context stupid.
Veeshir
I’m with the Emperor, I took his comments as being directed toward a particular subset of blacks.
Argue with his points, but calling him a racist and delinking him isn’t doing that. Misinterpreting his remarks to say he’s horrified about blacks being in powerful positions when he specifically praises Clarence Thomas is wrong. And I don’t think it was in a patronizing way.
Some people just get upset when a certain word is used. Those people remind me of people who claim Huckleberry Finn is racist because it uses the word.
He said what many others are saying except he used a taboo word and is therefore a racist.
And even if he is a racist, who cares? Answer the points. Attacking him as a racist and delinking him doesn’t foster debate, it stifles it.
Exactly the tactics used when you can’t dispute what he said.
The only thing quoted in the attacks I’ve seen against him are his use of one word, not any substantial refutation of his points. Anybody remember the riots in Cincinnatti? The rioters got a pass and the police were savaged in the press for trying to fight crime.