Any idea why the thought of an Attorney General who’s “ruthless” about that part of his job called “enforcing the law” (whether Ashcroft or Giuliani) is so scary to the Left?
Some kind of projection thing maybe?
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JKC
Dave-
Some of us are not concerned with “ruthless enforcement of the law”* as much as we are with wholesale disregard of civil rights, combined with piss-poor performance.**
As for “projection” one could ask members of the Right why control of assault rifles is so scary. But I won’t.
* I’d have loved to see ruthless enforcement of the law vis-a-vis Arabs in US flight school, as opposed to ruthless prosecution of prostitution rings in New Orleans.
** Just how many terrorists has the Ashcroft Justice Department managed to convict?
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BigFire
I say we bring back Viet Dinh, only this time as the Attorney General (not the Assistant AG).
5.
Ralph Gizzip
** Just how many terrorists has the Ashcroft Justice Department managed to convict?
Not nearly as many as the US Marines have managed to kill. And we’re better off with them dead than in prison.
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JKC
Hey Grizzip-
Did the Marines catch the guy who sent Anthrax spores in the mail? Hmm? Did they?
This ain’t Marine-bashing: Marines are smart, ballsy, and tough. But they can’t do everything. Catching the Anthrax terrorist is a job for law enforcement: there’s no third-world country to invade. So far, the Ashcroft Justice Department has done a terrible job in that regard.
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Ralph Gizzip
I can’t see the FBI being too interested in finding him. After all, the letter was sent to Pat Leahy (D-VT).
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capt joe
23 terrorists convicted so far.
in case you forgot: Mike Hawash, John Walker Lindh, Lackwanda guys, etc.
Kept the telling those untruths. It will be your only comfort over the next 4 more years.
But you guys were never interested in figthing the GWOT just bending over for France.
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Al Maviva
Just how many terrorists has the Ashcroft Justice Department managed to convict?
This isn’t counting the 200 or so residents on the terror watchlist who have been caught and removed through the immigration law (deportation and removal) process.
I agree Ashcroft has a tin ear regarding civil liberties. He hasn’t been nearly as bad, however, as his critics say; and he’s been quite effective since he was unmuzzled on 9/12.
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JKC
One of my criticisms of my fellow Democrats is that we erroneously stereotype conservatives as morons.
Then I see “capt. joe” say
But you guys were never interested in figthing the GWOT just bending over for France.
And I see where the stereotype came from.
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JKC
Al- your point about deportations is well taken. I think, though, that the tale of Maher Arar should teach us caution.
My biggest criticism of Ashcroft is his gift for self-promotion and his tendency to be a bully. (His testimony before the 9/11 Commission being a case in point.) I won’t be sorry to see him leave the White House.
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CadillaqJaq
JKC posts: “Some of us are not concerned with ‘ruthless enforcement of the law’ as much as we are with wholesale disregard of civil rights, combined with piss-poor performance.”
Let’s see what America’s “most trusted man” once said about wholesale disregard of civil rights…
As WorldNetDaily reported: in 1999, Walter Cronkite said the first step toward achieving a one-world government is to strengthen the U.N. “It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace,” he said. “To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.”
Curious if that would have been the direction Kerry & Kompany would have attempted to take the nation.
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Dean
Ya know, JKC, if the Democrats in MO had followed their own laws, then John Ashcroft would have been just another senator from MO, one of 100 in the Senate, blathering as much as (or as little as) any of the others.
So, if you want some blame, pin it on those who concluded that a dead Mel Carnahan should still stand for election (I guess if the dead can vote, they should get representation, too?).
I’ve got little use for the likes of Ashcroft, but there is such a thing as karma, IMO.
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capt joe
Yeah sure, man, whatever.
Who is was that wanted to make sure France was part of the permission chain on every action the US took?
Kerry and you characters.
It took only a few minutes on google to find thousnads on instances.
You can’t handle the truth. ;)
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Veeshir
Nooooo, he’s supposed to open the camps now that BusHitler has his second term.
Has Michael Moore deceived me?
Dave
Any idea why the thought of an Attorney General who’s “ruthless” about that part of his job called “enforcing the law” (whether Ashcroft or Giuliani) is so scary to the Left?
Some kind of projection thing maybe?
JKC
Dave-
Some of us are not concerned with “ruthless enforcement of the law”* as much as we are with wholesale disregard of civil rights, combined with piss-poor performance.**
As for “projection” one could ask members of the Right why control of assault rifles is so scary. But I won’t.
* I’d have loved to see ruthless enforcement of the law vis-a-vis Arabs in US flight school, as opposed to ruthless prosecution of prostitution rings in New Orleans.
** Just how many terrorists has the Ashcroft Justice Department managed to convict?
BigFire
I say we bring back Viet Dinh, only this time as the Attorney General (not the Assistant AG).
Ralph Gizzip
Not nearly as many as the US Marines have managed to kill. And we’re better off with them dead than in prison.
JKC
Hey Grizzip-
Did the Marines catch the guy who sent Anthrax spores in the mail? Hmm? Did they?
This ain’t Marine-bashing: Marines are smart, ballsy, and tough. But they can’t do everything. Catching the Anthrax terrorist is a job for law enforcement: there’s no third-world country to invade. So far, the Ashcroft Justice Department has done a terrible job in that regard.
Ralph Gizzip
I can’t see the FBI being too interested in finding him. After all, the letter was sent to Pat Leahy (D-VT).
capt joe
23 terrorists convicted so far.
in case you forgot: Mike Hawash, John Walker Lindh, Lackwanda guys, etc.
Kept the telling those untruths. It will be your only comfort over the next 4 more years.
But you guys were never interested in figthing the GWOT just bending over for France.
Al Maviva
Just how many terrorists has the Ashcroft Justice Department managed to convict?
This isn’t counting the 200 or so residents on the terror watchlist who have been caught and removed through the immigration law (deportation and removal) process.
I agree Ashcroft has a tin ear regarding civil liberties. He hasn’t been nearly as bad, however, as his critics say; and he’s been quite effective since he was unmuzzled on 9/12.
JKC
One of my criticisms of my fellow Democrats is that we erroneously stereotype conservatives as morons.
Then I see “capt. joe” say
And I see where the stereotype came from.
JKC
Al- your point about deportations is well taken. I think, though, that the tale of Maher Arar should teach us caution.
My biggest criticism of Ashcroft is his gift for self-promotion and his tendency to be a bully. (His testimony before the 9/11 Commission being a case in point.) I won’t be sorry to see him leave the White House.
CadillaqJaq
JKC posts: “Some of us are not concerned with ‘ruthless enforcement of the law’ as much as we are with wholesale disregard of civil rights, combined with piss-poor performance.”
Let’s see what America’s “most trusted man” once said about wholesale disregard of civil rights…
As WorldNetDaily reported: in 1999, Walter Cronkite said the first step toward achieving a one-world government is to strengthen the U.N. “It seems to many of us that if we are to avoid the eventual catastrophic world conflict we must strengthen the United Nations as a first step toward a world government patterned after our own government with a legislature, executive and judiciary, and police to enforce its international laws and keep the peace,” he said. “To do that, of course, we Americans will have to yield up some of our sovereignty. That would be a bitter pill. It would take a lot of courage, a lot of faith in the new order.”
Curious if that would have been the direction Kerry & Kompany would have attempted to take the nation.
Dean
Ya know, JKC, if the Democrats in MO had followed their own laws, then John Ashcroft would have been just another senator from MO, one of 100 in the Senate, blathering as much as (or as little as) any of the others.
So, if you want some blame, pin it on those who concluded that a dead Mel Carnahan should still stand for election (I guess if the dead can vote, they should get representation, too?).
I’ve got little use for the likes of Ashcroft, but there is such a thing as karma, IMO.
capt joe
Yeah sure, man, whatever.
Who is was that wanted to make sure France was part of the permission chain on every action the US took?
Kerry and you characters.
It took only a few minutes on google to find thousnads on instances.
You can’t handle the truth. ;)