The clearly and obviously fraudulent Schiavo talking points memo turns out to be genuine but some still consider it fakish.
Who woulda thunk it?
At any rate- attempts to attack the reporter will just fail. I don’t remember any such attempts to attack the reporters when we caught the Rockefeller aides playing dirty with intelligence memos.
All I ask from Republicans is that they be less dumb and less damaging to the country and the Constitution than the Democrats, because no party is going to embody all of my beliefs (save the party of John Cole- a party of one). Lately, that is too much to ask.
ape
“Fakish” = “FORGED BY THE DEMOCRATS” according to various self-appointed GOP spokesmen. Not even ‘forged by the SMSM’
Mr Furious
Yup. I wrote somewhere that DeLay’s (?) comments that “if someone on my staff were responsible for that memo, they’d be fired immediately” really meant “if someone on my staff was dumb enough to put that stuff down in writing and let it out, I’d fire his ass.”
Jorge
Here in Florida, some stations are saying that Senator Martinez is taking full responsibility of the situation because right before the Post ran the story, he finally admitted that one of his staffers, with out his consent and knowledge, wrote the memo. Wow – throwing your legal counsel under the bus and saying you didn’t know anything about the situation is taking responsibility?
You know, it isn’t that the Republicans were wrong about Clinton being a liar, how drunk with power some Democrats were or the lack of ethics when the Dems were in control. It is the sheer hypocrisy.
Its probably just part of the maturing process of every person interested in our government, but I’ve come to agree with those folks that say that the politicians of parties are all bums. It really is amazing just how corrupt so many folks in DC are.
Screw it – let’s vote for the Liberterians and Greens. At least we know they’ll be pure in how they screw up the country.
BumperStickerist
Well – to quote the Instablogger
ANOTHER UP
Yeah – a draft note from a legal counsel was handed by a Senator to a Senator from the other party by mistake. That certainly makes it a Strategy Memo circulated by GOP Leadership …
And Republicans really were interested in politicizing the Terry Schiavo matter.
Some Republicans .
On both points: Duh.
indeed.
heh
Sav
The Washington Post and the AP misled the public about where the memo originated and who supported its content. It was not a talking point of anyone. Republicans did not endorse it or in most cases even see it, much less Republican leaders doing so. The press played it as an example of supposed Republican agenda-driven cynicism in the Schiavo case. Other than the fact that the memo indeed exists, the entire reporting on it was false.
But apparently that’s okay. All’s fair in tarring those theocrats.
JG
On its face this memo proves nothing but taken in the larger context where Delay used Schiavo as a way to highlight attacks against himself, and how other senators used the issue as a way to further thier ‘judicial activist’ charges and to put pressure on dems to stop questioning Bushs judicial nominees plus the fact that it did in fact energize the base tells me there is a little more to this memo issue. You have to be very biased not to see that this is a great issue to paint Dems as against in ’06. Which is really the whole point IMO.
big dirigible
Genuine. Sure, whatever you say.
Life sure is easy when you can redefine words to your liking. How – Clintonian.
You and your commentators are as illogical and intellectually dishonest as Kos or Willis.
Well, I can’t take anymore, either. So off my blogroll and onto the rubbish heap of history with you.
Nash
“The Washington Post and the AP misled the public about where the memo originated and who supported its content. It was not a talking point of anyone. Republicans did not endorse it or in most cases even see it, much less Republican leaders doing so. The press played it as an example of supposed Republican agenda-driven cynicism in the Schiavo case. Other than the fact that the memo indeed exists, the entire reporting on it was false.”
You are, of course, purposefully ignoring that the Washington Times, not exactly a liberal mouthpiece, quoted a Senate Democratic aide in noting that the Martinez-to-Harkin handoff was not the *only* one involving Republican senators: “A Democratic senator received the memo from an outraged Republican senator.”
If the aide is accurate (and of course, that is impossible for you to admit), then everything you have said is a lie and indeed this memo *did* see wider distribution, including to at least one other Senator than Martinez.
Using the veracity detector on what has been proven to be a lie and proven to be true thus far in this case, claims by Republicans thus far (it wasn’t a Republican memo, it was a fraud by Democrats, the media lied when it said that Republicans had handed it out on the Senate floor, etc.) have been shown to be lies, so it’s quite appropriate to say the Democratic aide now has much more standing to be assumed to be telling the truth and that you are full of misdirecting bs.
Actually, this one is probably going to continue to bite you in the ass, and once again, it’s the post-event coverup, not the event itself, that has the mouthful of sharp teeth.
Nash
All of which is to say, that you, JG, BumperStickerist along with such fools as those at Powerline have turned this into the following disaster:
An open invitation for all kinds of investigative journalism and commentary about allegations that Sen. Martinez has lied about not knowing about the memo. Bonus bad thing for you: direct dare to re-open discussions of how Martinez has done this exact same thing at least 3 times before.
An open invitation to determine how many of the other 54 Republican senators lied about not having seen nor been aware of the memo. There is probably at a minimum one other Republican Senator out there who has for the last several days been sending all kinds of gifts and nice notes to a certain Democratic senator, in hopes of keeping his dirty secret quiet.
An open invitation for widespread ridicule of those blogs and pundits who so elegantly pulled a reverse Rather from the pike position, diving headfirst into an empty pool. These would include Powerline, Malkin, Tucker Carlson, but the list is nearly endless. A bonus instant and eternal mental equation of Powerline with “Fake Schiavo memo”.
What this is not about anymore, but what you tragically don’t understand, because we don’t care about it anymore, is whether this memo proves that Republicans manipulated the Schiavo tragedy for political gain. So, all of your “good golly what will we tell the children” misdirection shows how out of touch you are with what is now going on.
It’s the lies, the coverup, and the incompetent sideline coaching, not the original event. I count on you not being able to internalize that.
John Cole
Nash- Who are you talking to?
Nash
Not you, certainly, John. Several of your commentors. I apologize for the lack of clarity in the use of “you”.
Nash
Wow, I *really* do need to apologize to you, John. I go back and look at those comments and it certainly looks like the “you” I used means, who else, John Cole.
That was not my intention, but that was my result.
I will take a lesson to be very clear who my comments are directed to in the future.
Sav
“You are, of course, purposefully ignoring that the Washington Times….
Do me a favor Nash, and don’t speak for me. You only make yourself look worse.
“If the aide is accurate (and of course, that is impossible for you to admit)”
Oh it’s possible. It’s also possible the aide is full of baloney. Again, don’t speak for me.
“then everything you have said is a lie”
“and that you are full of misdirecting bs.”
Here’s a lesson for you, Nash: When one first becomes aware of something that contradicts what he previously believed—assuming that turns out to be the case here—that doesn’t make said person a liar. So stick your insinuations and your phony claims of misdirection where the sun don’t shine. And take your smug self-righteousness with ’em.
JG
‘What this is not about anymore,…is whether this memo proves that Republicans manipulated the Schiavo tragedy for political gain. ‘
Why is it no longer about that? Because you say so? You say its because ‘we’ don’t care anymore. Who’s ‘we’? Republicans? I’m a republican, I care. Conservatives? I don’t care what they care about and I certainly won’t let it stop me from using my own mind.
Nash
Sav, good to see it all pissed you off so much–means you are learning to pay attention. Comprehension may yet come for you later.
Sav
Is that tripe a concession?
I guess it is.
Nash
Nash: It’s the lies, the coverup, and the incompetent sideline coaching, not the original event. I count on you not being able to internalize that.
JG: Why is it no longer about that? Because you say so? You say its because ‘we’ don’t care anymore. Who’s ‘we’?
Nash: QED
Nash
Good thing I hedged my bets as to whether you would achieve comprehension, Sav. It’s obviously going to be a really tough go for you. But I’m here to help.
Sav
Apparently you’re here to make a fool of yourself.