This is a doozy:
On Monday this week, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (I
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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
I am pretty sure these ‘journalists’ were not always such a bootlicking sycophants.
I might just take the rest of the day off and do even more nothing than usual.
So many bastards, so little time.
Take hopelessness and turn it into resilience.
“woke” is the new caravan.
The arc of the moral universe does not bend itself. it is up to us to bend it.
The worst democrat is better than the best republican.
Consistently wrong since 2002
My right to basic bodily autonomy is not on the table. that’s the new deal.
It is possible to do the right thing without the promise of a cookie.
Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.
I have other things to bitch about but those will have to wait.
Nancy smash is sick of your bullshit.
The press swings at every pitch, we don’t have to.
You would normally have to try pretty hard to self-incriminate this badly.
I would try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.
The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.
The current Supreme Court is a dangerous, rogue court.
This is dead girl, live boy, a goat, two wetsuits and a dildo territory. oh, and pink furry handcuffs.
And now I have baud making fun of me. this day can’t get worse.
I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.
This really is a full service blog.
Republicans want to make it harder to vote and easier for them to cheat.
Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.
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Compuglobalhypermeganet
The Huffington Post? Is THAT thing still around???
Marcus Wellby
Yes, sadly it is still around. I thought it had some potential when Larry David posted some comments. Instead we get more blabbering from his Yenta uber-left wife. I don’t mind reading Harry Shear, but I cut him some slack because of Simpsons and Spinal Tap.
“I find the whole name change rather spooky…”.
What a frigging tool. Who pissed in her granola?
Kimmitt
Um, if you’re pro-life, this is an absolutely necessary thing to do.
cminus
Kimmitt: depends on how you define pro-life. It might not pass the “greatest good of the greatest number” test, for example.
But I will concede that it’s certainly required under the Catholic Church’s definition of pro-life, and credit where credit is due to Benedict XVI for having the consistency to oppose IVF as well. The failure of the Dobsonites to protest in front of fertility clinics, a far greater source of disposed embryos than abortion clinics, is unconscionable. It gives the left a leg to stand on when they claim that for conservatives, the “pro-life” movement is a convenient front for a desire to return women to the status of property.
cminus
Kimmitt: depends on how you define pro-life. It might not pass the “greatest good of the greatest number” test, for example.
But I will concede that it’s certainly required under the Catholic Church’s definition of pro-life, and credit where credit is due to Benedict XVI for having the consistency to oppose IVF as well. The failure of the Dobsonites to protest in front of fertility clinics, a far greater source of disposed embryos than abortion clinics, is unconscionable. It gives the left a leg to stand on when they claim that for conservatives, the “pro-life” movement is a convenient front for a desire to return women to the status of property.
Kimmitt
For any definition of pro-life which counts unimplanted blastulas as human beings, this is absolutely required.
brenda
But realy john, did you expect anything less from this Pope? It hardly comes as a surprise.
Libertine
Pope Benedict, aka Ratzinger, is a great example of why I am a non-practicing Catholic. Let’s turn back the clock to the XIV Century…
And from the “for what it’s worth” dept…
Josh Marshall has his new site up and running urging people to post. I tried to make a eloquent post about the importance in maintaining Separation of Church and State. My post didn’t show up. I contacted a site admin and was informed that discussions posts had to be approved by a majority/quorom of the site admins before it goes up…Not quite the free speech site I would expect out of a liberal, free speech as long as they agree with it…LMAO!!!
Nash
I’m with you libertine.
Don’t you just hate it when governmental operations like Josh Marshall’s site and WalMart don’t obey the First Amendment and allow everyone to say just whatever they want? I always hate it when free speech is abridged by these folks. Who are they do deny us our right to stand up on their checkout stand or in their blog’s comments and scream?
Libertine
I guess my bitch is a personal one Nash. I spent over 2 hours writing and revising the story just to find out it may all be a big waste of time. Not my idea of fun…
That is why I love this site…as long as I don’t personally attack someone John let’s me to upset, piss-off and offend as many people as I want.
Libertine
And let’s me post stuff with transpositions and very poor grammar…
John let’s me upset, piss-off and offend as many people as I want.
LOL!!!
Nash
Well, on the frustration of losing a Pulitzer quality comment, I am truly with you, Libertine.
Libertine
Nawwww…it isn’t about the quality of the comment per se Nash. They are all professional journalists there and I am definitely not. It really is the feeling I wasted 2 hours of my life. C’est la vie…
Like I said back to offending… :-P
Libertine
Most Pope’s are just trying to exert the influence of the roman Catholic Church. Many of them could have been considered mass murders…
i.e. The Crusades and Inquisitions.
Jon H
cminus writes: “The failure of the Dobsonites to protest in front of fertility clinics, a far greater source of disposed embryos than abortion clinics, is unconscionable. It gives the left a leg to stand on when they claim that for conservatives, the “pro-life” movement is a convenient front for a desire to return women to the status of property.”
Or that Dobsonites are really opposed to abortion because they associate it with sin – sex outside of marriage, especially teens having sex.
IVF clients aren’t teenagers sneaking in for the procedure, behind their parents’ backs to dispose of the evidence of their sinful fornication.
IVF clients are largely affluent, or at least employed at a level high enough to be insured with coverage of fertility treatments. People don’t go for IVF because they were irresponsible. I would guess that, by the time they undergo treatment, they are well educated on the subject, as compared to a teenager assumed to be ignorant of the full meaning of an abortion (and thus amenable to ‘education’).
Basically, IVF hits far fewer of the hot button issues of the Dobsonite right.
Worse, it comes down to tiny masses of cells, versus a woman’s desire to bear children. Tiny masses of cells don’t lend themselves to gory pictures of aborted fetuses, and other emotional appeals.
I think most people will rationalize the disposal of extra embryos as being acceptable because they died so that their sibling(s) could be born, and they died at perhaps the best time for a person to die – when unable to feel, think, or bleed, leaving no hole in anyone’s life and suffering not at all.
I really can’t see IVF getting any significant opposition in the US.
KC
Libertine, I haven’t posted on Josh’s site yet, but I think that’s pretty interesting. Of course, it’s his (and a few other people’s) site so he can do whatever he wants. As for me, I dig this site for posting too. John just kicks ass.
Lee
libertine: good point about popes “Many of them could have been considered mass murders…crusades and inquisitions”…
Let’s move to the 21st century. the religion of peace seems to be killing a few more people than modern day catholics. nice stretch, though.
Libertine
Libertine, I haven’t posted on Josh’s site yet, but I think that’s pretty interesting. Of course, it’s his (and a few other people’s) site so he can do whatever he wants. As for me, I dig this site for posting too. John just kicks ass.
To be fair to Josh and his site KC, I did receive a clarification from the site admin. I was told I can post anything I want on “my personal blog” but to post on an open discussion forum it has to be approved by a majority of the admins.
And I would like to 2nd your thoughts about John. He runs a site where people of every political sway can not only post their thoughts and can engage in spirited and respectful arguments when they disagree…kudos to John!!
metalgrid
Let’s move to the 21st century. the religion of peace seems to be killing a few more people than modern day catholics. nice stretch, though.
Religions are always killing off people. Guess we just need to give Islam enough time to accrue the Christianity body count before we consider it a mature religion.
Libertine
libertine: good point about popes “Many of them could have been considered mass murders…crusades and inquisitions”…
Let’s move to the 21st century. the religion of peace seems to be killing a few more people than modern day catholics. nice stretch, though.
Yeah the modern Catholic Church doesn’t kill with weapons and torture like the did in the past Lee. But with their stance on birth control and contraception how many are dying from malnutrition and starvation due to overpopulation?
Al Maviva
So libertine, could you show me which countries it is, that the Catholic Church is running, where their policies are forcing people to starve to death, and to screw like rabbits and have eleventy one kids each?
Last time I checked, most churches are sort of optional, even in the third world. You don’t like one because of its condom policy, go find another church.
And the paradox of your position is pretty funny. It relies on the notion that people in the third world are so faithful to the catholic church, that they can’t see their way to the pharmacist’s to purchase a condom… yet they are so unfaithful to the church that they can’t slow down on the screwin’ long enough to plant some more crops. Hmmmm. Pretty tough premise to base your argument on there.
Libertine
Just look around all of the 3rd world Al there is no effort to educate the population about or provide them with birth control, and people are starving. Hell we don’t even have to look to the 3rd world the US tries to preach abstinence instead of providing and educating people about birth control…not that people are starving here but AIDS deaths give the same net result.
Libertine
And no Al church is not optional in the 3rd world. In the 3rd world churches are usually one of the larger institutions.
brenda
Al Maviva: you forget the Catholic Churches’ complicity in the holocost. They co-operated with Hitler, to the extent of denying sanctuary to jews. Pope John Paul apoligized for that. That was only 60 years ago.
Lee
Libertine: i love your honesty… and nearly fell out of my chair with amusement.
are you comparing muslim’s MURDER/TERRORISM around the world to Catholisms preaching of abstinence and abortion position (to creating starvation, I guess(?))? Sorry for the grammer–no english major am I.
Andrei
“It relies on the notion that people in the third world are so faithful to the catholic church, that they can’t see their way to the pharmacist’s to purchase a condom… yet they are so unfaithful to the church that they can’t slow down on the screwin’ long enough to plant some more crops.”
I’ll assume you were not raised Catholic on the poorer side ofthe tracks, otherwise you’d know the answer to that question.
Libertine
I can be brutally blunt Lee…
No I am not comparing the current Catholic Church to today’s terrorists.
What I am saying is by the Catholic Church holding fast to their ancient dogmas they are part of a larger global problem. There is no doubt an overpopulation problem on a global scale, which is getting worse. Instead of being part of the solution the Catholic Church is part of the problem. And why? Just to keep reinforcing their control over their followers, exerting their power.
Tony Alva
As 41 year old male who is married to a Catholic gal I find the pope’s ruling extremely old age ignorant and reprehensable. My wife and I have been struggling with infertility for many years and have exhausted all options other than IVF. It is a horendously expensive undertaking and asumming my wife can reconcile the procedure with her loyalty to the church (which I think she will), we will proceed with IVF.
The Catholic church, an institution of men, who don’t know the first thing about the agony of infertility, men who can’t have children, issuing doctrine like this on making a family. And my wife and my mother why I don’t go to church with them?
F’ the pope. People who share mine and my wife’s situation should be encouraged to start a family anyway they can.
Lee
Tony, sincerely sorry for ya’lls situation, but ‘f’n’ the pope won’t help none. Dang bible. if we could only change it a little here and a little there to fit what we think it should say, and to fit our present day’s needs, why–problems would still exist and suffering would still be widespread.
however, times change. people change. The good book can’t be changed to snugly fit each situation or everyone’s agenda….
Kimmitt
I hate to ask, but are you or your wife pro-life in general, Mr. Alva?
M. Scott Eiland
Two things come to mind:
1. Ms. Nahai is rather easier on the eyes than the run-of-the-mill moonbat one tends to hear this kind of thing from, and;
2. Someone might want to break it to the lovely Ms. Nahai that “Cardinal” wasn’t the first name of the man in question before he became Pope.
Tony Alva
I hate to ask, but are you or your wife pro-life in general, Mr. Alva?
I have no problem answering that… my wife and I, while opposed to abortion, support a limited right to choose.
I really don’t see any correlation to aborting babies, and trying to start a family with IVF. I’m sure you’ll cite the whole what about the blastacyst? Isn’t an embryo? Crack a book and see what it really is. If you want to call a group of three or four cells a baby go ahead, just don’t waste your time trying to convince me of it.
The Catholic church is woefully behind the times and the old Soviet guard that rules the roost in Italy will either go the wayside, or people will continue to leave the church in droves.
and Lee
Kimmitt
If you want to call a group of three or four cells a baby go ahead, just don’t waste your time trying to convince me of it.
Works for me; I certainly share this opinion.