My goodness I loathe these bigots. Via Sullivan, I see the Perry quote we talked about yesterday was even worse than I initially understood, because it was really taken out of context:
Texas Republican Governor Rick Perry on Sunday insinuated the state
Andrei
Wow… if I didn’t know better, I’d say you sound like a typical liberal pinko moonbat. I guess you really are a RINO, John.
Welcome to the Dark Side.
John Cole
Look- when these guys stop the all-out jihad against homosexuals, I will stop pointing out they are human debris.
Fair trade?
They use the same damn rhetoric they used against black people in the 40’s-60’s, and are about as vile as the segregationists, as far as I am concerned.
They pretend to love mankind- they hate and seethe with rage at anything that does not adopt their narrow world-view. It is homophobia, hatred, intolerance, fear, and a whole bunch of other nasty negative shit sprinkled with a little biblical verse and ‘concern for the children’ to give it an air of respectability.
If seeing through it and calling them on their bullshit makes me a pinko leftist, so be it.
Aaron
Nowhere does it say Republicans have to be Christians, and I can’t see someone without religious convictions being anti-gay except by way of bigotry.
Even then, shouldn’t the idea that “they are going to hell” be punishment enough?
I try to respect the Christian wing of the GOP, but man oh man.
Darrell
I can’t take these bigots anymore…
Please define “these bigots” whom you “hate” so much for us. Does this description apply to anyone and everyone who opposed same sex marriage? Please elaborate
Having read the context of Perry’s reply, he is a bigger idiot than I would have guessed. Kay Bailey will stomp him next go round
SeesThroughIt
“They pretend to love mankind- they hate and seethe with rage at anything that does not adopt their narrow world-view. It is homophobia, hatred, intolerance, fear, and a whole bunch of other nasty negative shit sprinkled with a little biblical verse and ‘concern for the children’ to give it an air of respectability.
If seeing through it and calling them on their bullshit makes me a pinko leftist, so be it.”
No, I think it just makes you a thoughtful conservative who is not happy with the hard-right veering of the Republican party. In other words, it makes you the kind of guy I miss having in the political spectrum and the kind of guy I wish would recapture the Republican party. Bigotry isn’t liberal or conservative; it’s just stupid.
KC
Of course you can take more of “these biggots” John. They may get some more Senate seats in 2006. That’ll be when the real fun starts.
Geek, Esq.
I think all fair-minded, progressive folks should take themselves, their education, their children, and their capital out of places where they’re demonized. I have a good friend who’s a gay professional in Alabama, and I can’t for the life of me understand why he stays there. I mean, even in Georgia there are civilized places like Atlanta and Savannah.
Bob Munck
Gays “had to lie to serve.” Did someone actually say that? (Well, you did, but I’m assuming that you were paraphrasing the bigots’ arguments to show how stupid they are.) “Don’t ask, don’t tell” says quite specifically that they don’t have to lie to serve.
Darrell
I disagree that Perry was “demonizing” gays and I’m very skeptical of the accusations that his words were homophobic. Given the swagger of big talking politicos, particularly from Texas, how is it that Perry’s comments are any different from saying: “Yeah, we have handgun permits in Texas, we ride horses, and we have laws against same sex marriage..you don’t like our laws, you’re welcome to move elsewhere” Why not take that angle as a possibility instead of automatically breaking into a hysterical rant about ‘uber-fundie Christian radicals’?
A better way for Perry to have replied would have been something like: “We’re proud of all of our Texas veterans who served, but these are our laws..”. Perry handled this poorly, stupidly really.. but I don’t see the ‘obvious’ fag-bashing you all are so quick to accuse him (and other Christians) of
metalgrid
but I don’t see the ‘obvious’ fag-bashing you all are so quick to accuse him (and other Christians) of
There are none so blind as those who will not see..
Richard Bottoms
>I can’t take these bigots
>anymore…
Good.
Vote Democrat. I do.
paul lukasiak
hmmmm… who was it that wanted Perry to be governor of Texas?
Bush and Rove, that’s who.
Perry is not an abberation, but the personification of what the GOP has become…. for the past 35 years, the GOP has exploited and thrived on hate in order to win elections. Perry is merely the result of your own willingness to turn a blind eye to what the GOP has been up to for decades…
foolishmortal
“I can’t see someone without religious convictions being anti-gay except by way of bigotry.”
Even if one does happen to have religious convictions, one has to pick and choose one’s verses to avoid also being anti-shellfish, pro-slavery and anti-women-wearing-pants.
adk46er
These fanatics like to keep things interesting. According to some of these haters the world as we know it was going to end a couple of years ago when Vermont enacted civil unions…
I hope however you’re not suggesting this is a wide spread problem unique to all Christians, since Christians are already taking quite a beating from the fanatics on the left. Although I personally support gay marriage I think its possible to have strong religious objections to gay marriage without hating gays. In a country the size of the U.S. millions of people could be described as haters – but even if we’re talking about 10 million people (while it’s sad there might be this many) they’d be a small per cent of the total population.
Tim F
John, in case you’re not pissed off enough.
taking quite a beating from the fanatics on the left.
Please name the fanatics and what national office they hold. Wild-eyed drooling maniacs occupy the positions of House and Senate Majority leaders and you have the nerve to claim that the left has fanatics? Please. At least we keept the nutcases where they belong, on the fringe. Yours run the party.
caroline
We, who are Christians, should stomp all over people like Perry. They are making Christianity look just like fundamentalist islam. I’m sure that Osama would heartily agree with what Perry is doing here.
This isn’t the Christianity I know. To me, Christianity is about loving your neighbor, honoring your mother and father etc. My church feeds the poor and clothes the homeless. I think this is much more important than freaking out about the fact that gay people exist in our country.
Is Perry up for reelection?
Phil Smith
Don’t worry, we’ve got it covered.
http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/whynot/
Halffasthero
I never cease to be impressed by the rantings on this blog. I rarely ever comment anymore because there is not much left to be said, it gets summed up so nicely.
I am not going to comment on the religeous beliefs and whether one can remain faithful or not to your belief and respect the life of others. I believe you can. I will say this: There is no reason to fear gays at all and, while I was visiting a friend in Austin, TX, (I am from MN, LOTS of gays in Minneapolis) I backed up my argument in a way that any drunken Texas redneck (ok, we were at a bar) can understand. I have studied math and always found things are easier for you when the odds are in your favor. So I told them that it was my hope that more men came out of the closet. The more the merrier, in fact. After they damn near spit up their beer and made ready to give me an asswhipping, I calmly explained that the more men interested in each other means there are more women for ME to choose from. None of them had an answer to that… and I never got beat up. : )
A woman asked exactly how that helps her if more men are gay. I said “let me get back to you on that, I need a refill.” I admit I didn’t try real hard to find her after that…
willyb
I am not a religious fanatic. I’ve been in a church less than a handful of times in the last 20 years. I believe consenting adults should be allowed to engage in whatever activities they choose in the privacy of their homes (as long as nobody is harmed in the process). I believe that overt discrimination should be attacked legislatively, i.e., level the playing field where there are problems with tax laws, hospital visitation rights, etc.
I also believe that legislating “gay marriage” would be society’s seal of approval of the gay lifestyle. Since I, in good conscience, would never hope that a child of mine would grow up to be a homosexual, I am against giving my seal of approval to these kinds of relationships. My love, or the lack thereof, for a person is based on more than a set of behaviors or beliefs that are embraced by that person. I dislike some heterosexuals, but not because of their sexual practices.
Do my beliefs make me a bigot?
gratefulcub
willyb
Do you think your child will have a choice about being gay?
If you do, then i understand your point perfectly. The more society accepts it, the more people will choose to be gay.
My personal opinion, backed up by most every study ever done on the subject, is that it is not a choice. If your child or my child is going to be gay, there is nothing we can do about it. So, if my child is gay, I hope that he is allowed to be as happy as he can. That includes being in a relationship openly, and being able to start a family like the rest of us.
If your child is gay, will you give him your seal of approval when he brings home a boyfriend? The alternative really does hurt a family.
Tony Alva
John C.,
I join you in your effort to take back the GOP from the nutz on the fringe. I have many, many friends who voted rep who share your thoughts on personnal liberties.
Don’t stop being outraged…
Andrei
“Since I, in good conscience, would never hope that a child of mine would grow up to be a homosexual, I am against giving my seal of approval to these kinds of relationships… Do my beliefs make me a bigot?”
Stated incompletely like you have, you can’t answer the question honestly. To know if you are a bigot — or have prejudiced tendencies — you have to ask yourself *WHY* you don’t want your child to grow up homosexual. And be honest. Why does it really matter if they are gay or straight?
Does it have to do with your dislike of homosexuals? Just how tolerant are you of homosexuals really? What’s the big deal if they grow gay or straight, they’ll still be your flesh and blood…
I’m sure the answer to those questions will answer your own, if you’re willing to really to be honest with yourself and the rest of us.
Hokie
I also believe that legislating “gay marriage” would be society’s seal of approval of the gay lifestyle.
Assuming, of course, that it’s something society should be opposing…why? Why does government recognizing certian unions give a “seal of approval” for those unions?
Nash
Very rude of you, John, to ignore the demand by the thread’s PC police that you define your terms.
John Cole
What did I do now?
Kiganshee
I’m so glad to hear from other conservatives who hate the right-wing fundamentalists running the republican party. They’re making me embarrassed to be christian, embarrassed to be conservative, and embarrassed to live in texas. Please tell me Perry is up for re-election. The alternative isn’t much better either.
willyb
“If your child is gay, will you give him your seal of approval when he brings home a boyfriend? The alternative really does hurt a family.”
I absolutely would, you have to play the hand you’re dealt. However, If my son was still a minor, I would try to get behind the reasons for his choice to get a better understanding.
“*WHY* you don’t want your child to grow up homosexual. And be honest. Why does it really matter if they are gay or straight?”
Grandchildren. And maybe the belief that their lives would be easier if they were more “mainstream.”
Nash
What did I do now?
You failed to snap to attention at:
Please define “these bigots” whom you “hate” so much for us.
You failed to salute at:
Does this description apply to anyone and everyone who opposed same sex marriage? Please elaborate.
gratefulcub
willyb
If you don’t want your child to be gay because his life would be easier straight, then congratulations, you’re not a bigot.
p.lukasiak
If you don’t want your child to be gay because his life would be easier straight, then congratulations, you’re not a bigot.
nonsense (and I say that as a gay man.)
My sexual preference hasn’t make my life any more difficult — once I accepted who and what I was. Sure, there are certain neighborhoods and bars that I avoid because they are hotbeds of homophobia– but guess what? I’d want to avoid them if I was straight anyway, for the same reason I avoid areas where I know racism still thrives, despite the fact that I’m white.
Simply assuming that your child’s life will be harder if s/he is gay is a sign of bigotry — the biggest problem a child of yours that was gay would have would be you, and the fact that you would have such a hard time accepting him/her for what s/he is.
SeesThroughIt
Let me see if I have this straight…you wouldn’t want your child to be gay because it would be “harder for them” growing up, so you choose to combat this by…trying to make it hard for gays to grow up as equal Americans. You don’t want the “stigma” of gayness attached to your child, so you perpetuate the stigma of gayness by opposing gay rights?
ppgaz
It is not society’s place, using government as its instrument, to place or deny a “seal of approval” for any legal activity between consenting adults.
That’s a ruse, and a cop-out. It’s a lipsticked way to say “I have the right to declare, through the offices of government, my non-approval of a legal lifestyle …. just because I can.”
No, you don’t have that right, and claiming the right does not confer it upon you.
Government has no business in this matter, and there is no constitutional basis for its assertion of authority in the matter.
It’s the pleading of a bully, and a thug. It is exactly the same, and exactly as bad as, Maddox and his axe handle-waving at the door to his restaurant: “I have a right to refuse to allow negroes to eat in my dining room.”
He did not have that right, and neither do you. You are going to have to share the public dining room with the negroes and the gay people whether you like it or not.
Simon
Why does government recognizing certian unions give a “seal of approval” for those unions?
Because when government recognizes them, it automatically forces everyone to recognize them. And that is just plain wrong.
Homosexuality is a distortion of the logic that underlies human existence. Indeed it is contrary to that logic. No one has the right to force anyone else to live without integrity, to live contrary to the genetic structure that gives them life.
We commit a gross error against human freedom by forcing homosexual recognition into law.
Ben
Simon,
If homosexuality is a distortion that underlies human existence so is marriage between the elderly, childless couples, barren couples, etc. This marriage is only for procreation bullshit is pathetic… mainly because heteros apply it only to one group of people. You seem to conveniently forget that homos pay taxes and every other cost that comes with being an American… we just don’t get the same rights. Your viewpoint makes you a bigot.
John Cole
No one has the right to force anyone else to live without integrity, to live contrary to the genetic structure that gives them life.
If nothing else, that explains the deep-seated resentment towards same-sex unions within the Genetics community. Always wondered about that.
ppgaz
No, Simon, nice try, no cigar.
By saying a thing exactly backwards, it is easy to fool yourself into thinking it makes sense.
Noone is asking for “homosexual recognition” into law. That’s the opposite of what is being sought.
What is being sought is the forcing of “approved sexuality” into law, to please people who think they have a right to disapprove of certain kinds of sexuality.
Your argument is well beyond nonsensical. By failing to proscribe against bad hygiene, is the law stamping the seal of approval on body odor? Do you want your government officially sanctioning body odor? Advancing the body odor agenda?
Of course, the idea is ludicrous, but no more ludicrous than what you are saying. Your mistake is that you mistakenly believe that the schoolyard faggot-baiting you did as a youngster was a cue to put faggot-baiting into law.
Gays are law-abiding, tax-paying, God-fearing, responsible members of society and of the armed forces. They are going to end up with the same rights as everyone else, whether you like it or not.
It’s only a question of how long it will take for people like you either die off, or become too embarassed to show your bigotry in public.
Do you walk around wearing a “Down with Queers” shirt? Why not, Simon? Don’t you want people to know who you really are? Aren’t you proud of what you really are?
Jon H
I wouldn’t want my kids to grow up to be Pentecostals, speaking in tongues and seeing demons in everything and opposing science.
But Pentecostals are allowed to get married. Heck, they can even dance with snakes at the wedding.
Simon
Ben:
I speak here of something much more foundational than mere procreation. A couple can wed and not produce a child and yet still reflect the heterosexual logic that underlies human existence. Though they produce no children, they have integrity with the bio-informational structure that is in every cell of the human organism.
To force them to acknowledge as
Jon H
Actually, gay marriage would not be society’s stamp of approval on the ‘gay lifestyle’.
The public conception of the ‘gay lifestyle’ is all about assless chaps, drag queens, bath houses, casual sex, and pride parades.
Gay marriage is very much *not* representative of that “lifestyle”. It implies longterm commitment, attempted monogamy, stability, boring evenings in front of the TV, etc.
Which is why it’s kinda weird for conservatives to oppose it – it’s like they prefer their gays in discos and bathhouses, having casual anonymous sex.
(Actually, considering the anti-gay Spokane GOP mayor and his chatroom pickups of teen guys, this really does seem to be the case.)
ppgaz
“Homos pay taxes because they are individuals living in this country. That is their duty whether they can marry or not. Merely that they pay taxes does not give them the right to force an entire biologically heterosexual society to repeat the lie that homosexual logic is true and valid. It is not, and we all know it is not.”
Nope, dead wrong. It is exactly the opposite of the truth. The truth is that “homos” are going to have the same rights as everyone else, whether you like it or not.
And, thanks for calling them “homos”, Simon. It’s refreshing, for once, to see a bigot and a bully at least be honest about his real motivations. I wish more bigots were like you. You are a credit to your subspecies.
Ben
Simon,
The Constitution of the United States of America says NOTHING about the “heterosexual logic that underlies the human existence”. That is complete and utter bullshit.
Celebrate and having the same rights are different things. Your comments perfectly portray your bigotry and religious hokus pokus that you obviously buy into.
Homos have a duty to pay taxes but not have the same rights? So, blacks owed it to this country to be slaves for 150 years? Your argument is obtuse. You are a bigot.
Simon
Jon H:
It is important to understand that speaking in tongues and whatnot has nothing to do with the logic that triggers the notion of
Jon H
“It is important to understand that speaking in tongues and whatnot has nothing to do with the logic that triggers the notion of
ppgaz
Simon, when did you start thinking that anyone was “debating” with you?
You post these lunatic views of yours, and people tell you why you are wrong.
That’s not a debate. It’s more like an intervention.
Ben
Simon,
You probably don’t realize it, but your attitude about gay marriage is extremely offensive to gay people. What is most surprising to people like me how this attutude is the antithesis of what Jesus stood for. People like you pick and choose certain bible verses in order to discriminate against groups of people while ignoring your own serial divorcing, adultery, abortions, etc. Apply these same standards to your self. In your opposition to gay marriage, you inadvertently place gay people in a sub-human group. It is no wonder gay people tend to be self-loathing… listening to the Simons of the world can do that to a person.
Jon H
“People like you pick and choose certain bible verses in order to discriminate against groups of people while ignoring your own serial divorcing, adultery, abortions, etc.”
bible verses and technobabble in Simon’s case.
“Gay people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because… because… because they lack the midichlorians that make heterosexual marriage holy. That’s why.”
Simon
Ben:
A reader here made note of my use of the term “homo” in referring to homosexuals. For other readers I used the term here only because you used it. Since you are a homosexual proponent, I assumed your use of the term was mere shorthand and I decided to follow suit. I see that I am not being afforded the same right here as you. That is fine by me. But I wanted to at least enter into the record here why I used the term.
Now to your point:
Homos have a duty to pay taxes but not have the same rights?
They have the same right as any other individual. But marriage does not concern the individual. It concerns the creation of a new legal organism called a “couple”. This new organism acquires rights that are quite different than those of the individual. Ultimately, those rights flow from the fact that society is composed of individuals who are genetic repositories of valid couples.
This is not true of humanly invalid couples like homosexual couples. The homosexual couple has no right to force acknowledgment of itself upon anyone because it is not part of the structure underlying humanity.
ppgaz
“Midichlorians!”
Priceless. Good work.
ppgaz
Jesus H Christ, Simon.
You really are an embarassment to the human race. I mean, seriously.
What that “homosexual couple” wants, is entitled to, and WILL GET, Simon, is the be left the f–k alone to live their lives as they please.
As soon as you stop lighting crosses in their front yard, everything will quiet down and we can all get on with our lives.
sh
They got a paycheck while doing a job. They got their VA benefits where applicable during and after.
Now, you’re saying state’s rights are negligible because you disagree with Texas?
Simon
Jon H:
“Gay people shouldn’t be allowed to marry because… because… because they lack the midichlorians that make heterosexual marriage holy. That’s why.”
Not quite. There is obviously a deeply seated reason why the majority of humans vigorously reject homosexuality (and have always rejected it).I am trying to get at this reason. Rather than ridicule me, perhaps you might try harder to see if my point has at least a trace of merit.
I think when dealing with homosexual marriage we tend to view
simon
The US constitution with individual rights… unless i missed the amendment where the pharma lobby was supposed to screw the word in order to get rich. Our country is founded on the ideal of individual rights… marriage rights are merely a religious ceremony and legal enganglement.
Simon, go to the CATO website and find out the principles on which this country were REALLY founded on. Simon, turn off sean insanity, lush limbaugh and hugh hewitt and do some thinging and maybe you can impove if you want. By the way, I used the word homo before Simon … I am one and can use words like homo and fag…
ppgaz
Wow, first time I’ve seen a real meltdown like yours here, Simon. Truly memorable. More, more.
Nobody could invent your contributions here. You are wandering into the realm of the original now.
Homsexuals who marry would become part of a “legal entity?” Let’s see, if they sign a contract to buy a car, does that make them part of a legal entity? What if the seller of the car is also a homosexual?
If a homosexual gets a law degree and pases the bar exam, and becomes an officer of the court .. does that make her part of a legal entity? What if she forms a corporation? What if she is appointed to the bench? Legal entity?
If I were you, I’d go with the midichlorians, you’d be on more solid ground.
You are one amazing sonfagun, Simon. Keep posting, please.
Jon H
Simon,
Does powered flight, which is inherently unnatural, contravene this “heterosexual logic” you speak of?
Jon H
“In short, homosexuality represents a distortion of human identity, a human defect. It is a defect because it is objectively contrary to the logic that underlies human existence.”
Didn’t you ever watch Star Trek, Simon?
Humans are inherently not logical. Several robotic constructs have been destroyed by Captain Kirk thanks to that useful feature.
Not that Simon
Simon = SUPERTROLL 3000!!!
He will suck your time away with long, inane arguments that have absolutely no basis in logic or reason. The best solution is to ingore him.
I’m glad you all are witness to this. I dealt with this guy on another thread and he’s absolutely batshit insane. I hope (or not) that people who think like this are fairly common in defending his viewpoint.
BEN
thes last simon post,i believe was mine…the on witht he cato referenece (that is much more my spped thab simons.
Sojourner
“The heterosexual construct is so pervasively human that when one views any single person, one automatically senses the person is comprised of and biologically joined always to two other humans, always a heterosexual pair.”
Not in my neighborhood, which consists predominantly of gay couples. So when I see a guy in my neighborhood who I don’t know, I tend to assume he’s gay.
It’s a matter of education and experience, Simon, not some bullshit logic. And the good news is polls show that young people are far more accepting of gays than older folks. So it’s just a matter of letting the bigots like you die out.
Not that Simon
Where in the Constituion or any of the Federalist Papers, or any speeches of the Founding Fathers is any mention of the rights of the magical heterosexual couple entity?
ARROW
“Understanding aberrant sexual behavior is the critical first step toward healing it. Homosexuality is sometimes a promiscuous lifestyle choice. Often, however, as understood by many medical and mental health specialists, gender-disorientation pathology is associated with childhood or adolescent sexual and/or emotional trauma and/or abuse. Additionally, homosexual modeling by an authority figure — often an influential person with access to the victim through the family, church, school, neighborhood or media — can result in gender-disorientation pathology.”
“Homosexual victims often compensate and cover their pain by manifesting some degree of narcissism — an unmitigated expression of self-love. They compulsively indulge in aberrant sexual behavior to avoid reconciling the pain of abuse or homosexual modeling. ”
“Additionally, while there was rampant speculation a decade ago about a “homosexual gene,” that theory has been repeatedly rejected by both the scientific community and national homosexual advocacy organizations. It should be noted, however, that some children may be genetically predisposed to exhibit masculine or feminine characteristics associated with the opposite sex — putting them at greater risk of being targeted by homosexual predators and more susceptible, psychologically, to homosexual modeling.”
“It is no small irony that the most outspoken advocates for the homosexual agenda are equally outspoken about environmental issues — preservation of the natural order. Even the most humanist of these advocates must acknowledge the obvious — that homosexuality is a clear and undeniable violation of the laws of nature.”
“Given insight into the pathology of gender disorientation, to abandon, under the aegis of “love, compassion and inclusion,” those who struggle with homosexuality, is tantamount to abandoning a destitute soul in a gutter.”
“In the final analysis, there is nothing “gay” about being afflicted with gender disorientation pathology. Nor is there anything redeeming about those who would use a family theme park to advance the homosexual agenda.”
http://federalist.com/
Not that Simon
“It is no small irony that the most outspoken advocates for the homosexual agenda are equally outspoken about environmental issues — preservation of the natural order. Even the most humanist of these advocates must acknowledge the obvious — that homosexuality is a clear and undeniable violation of the laws of nature.”
It would be ironic if there weren’t heavily documented examples of homosexual behavior in other species, aka the natural order. So no, I won’t acknowledge your attempt to trick me into being a bigot. Nice try though.
ARROW
“It would be ironic if there weren’t heavily documented examples of homosexual behavior in other species, aka the natural order.”
The natural order … as in man evolving from sodomizing simians?
Not that Simon
“The natural order … as in man evolving from sodomizing simians?”
No, exactly the opposite… as in, it occurs naturally, in nature, with lots of species. Yet it doesn’t spell doom for the end of a species. In fact, those species evolved just fine in spite of it. Another nice try, and thanks for helping disprove your own point.
Simon, is that you?
Now if we can just do something the rising tide of gay-bashing orangutans.
Andrei
Hey John… Can you give Simon author privs on your site? I swear… you let him post some of his thoughts as real entries, and your hit rate will sky-rocket from people curious to watch the kind of freak accident like a 10 car pile on the freeway or the Jerry Springer show.
“In short, homosexuality represents a distortion of human identity, a human defect. It is a defect because it is objectively contrary to the logic that underlies human existence.”
Is that like the same kind of defect that creates some people’s skin as black and others as brown? Oh, I forgot… Genetics aren’t in the Bible so ergo the science behind genetics must be entirely false.
“It has no part of the human construct.”
Except is part of the human construct. OMFG. Did I say “human construct.” Lordy me, this is brilliant shit.
“As such, no one has a right to force its acceptance upon any human.”
Not sure anyone is forcing anyone to be gay. And fuck all if I start fellating another guy. I enjoy my cunninglus thank you very much. In the genes, you know.
“This is what we who stand against homosexual marriage reject. We do not want government forcing us to acknowledge and accept what we know can never truly exist.”
Except it does exist you STUPID FUCKING MORON.
LAMO. Like ppgaz said, MORE MORE MORE! You’re fucking brilliant Simon. John Cole has found the motherload with you, waiting to be tapped for ad revenue out the wazoo!
ARROW
“Is that like the same kind of defect that creates some people’s skin as black and others as brown?”
You defenders of the homosexual faith always seem to end with the race card. It’s just like racism! You take gender confusion, a psychological pathology, and try to turn it into something it’s not. If someone says otherwise, they’re a bigot. The homosexual genetic genie will strike them dead for criticizing someone who had NO CHOICE in having “sex” with someone of his own gender. It’s like the married male heterosexual that can’t keep his dick in is drawers, he just couldn’t help himself. The devil (his genetic makeup) made him do it.
Get some help and quit trying to make the rest of the world validate your sexual sickness as something that is “natural.”
Andrei
“You defenders of the homosexual faith always seem to end with the race card. It’s just like racism!”
If it is genetic, which nearly all the new evidence points to, it is just like how your skin color is determined. You obviously missed the point.
Let’s put it this way: What heterosexual man really enjoys sucking cock? None that I know of. As near as I can tell, given how much I *love* women and how much nearly all of my heterosexual male friends love talking about women in sexual ways, I have to assume that any man who enjoys other men has to have different genes because the thought does not turn me on whatsoever.
Not even Viagra could stiffen Mr. Happy for me when even broaching the thought of grinding another man. Nope… I’m as limp as a wet biscuit with that one.
“If someone says otherwise, they’re a bigot.”
Actually, I assume they’re a moron. Or someone who is highly misinformed about the world we live in and all that new fangled “science” stuff that has us inventing new medicines to combat disease, extending life, transplanting hearts, flying in jet airplanes around the world, putting men on the moon, and letting me call guys like you and Simon morons in cyberspace.
You know… Technology? Science? A better understanding of the universe we inhabit?
Sorry, the evidence tumbles like an avalanche that being gay is not a “lifestyle” choice. Pretty soon people will see it as genetic as what color eyes you are given, just like we realize the earth is but one floating rock in a vast universe and not some flat piece of land that sits on the back of some giant turtle.
“Get some help and quit trying to make the rest of the world validate your sexual sickness as something that is ‘natural.'”
In your case… Moron.
Bring back Simon! ARROW is a playa-hata! No fun.
Simon
Is that like the same kind of defect that creates some people’s skin as black and others as brown?
Obviously not. There is no definitive blackness, browness or whiteness in humans. So race is not an objectively apparent reality. We humans have developed it for social reasons (not all good), but no one can truly say who is of what race, except when we discuss the human race.
It is quite a bit different with homosexual behavior. As far as society is concerned, either the behavior exists or it does not. For the reasons I have mentioned, I think it is quite apparent that homosexual behavior represents a philosophical distortion of what humans are genetically. Indeed it is hostile to what we are. As such, no one has any right to force anyone else to treat it as anything other than it is.
Except is part of the human construct.
Genetically speaking, humans are predicated upon and actually consist of both maternal and paternal genomic material. This is the essential construct of the biological human. All else that is human flows from this essential heterosexuality. Homosexuality, like suicide and murder, represents a distortion of this human biological truth.
Not sure anyone is forcing anyone to be gay.
Of course homosexuals aim to force others to treat homosexuality as anything other than the obvious distortion that it is. That is the destructiveness here.
Except it does exist
Ben
Simon,
Take off your sheet and get some sleep… you are a douchebag and a bigot. Most of all, you aren’t nearly as smart as you think as your arguments are as obtuse as it gets.
sh
As usual, left thinking has romanticized this into a melodrama.
The issue has little to do with a person’s lifestyle and more with integrity. The stated military policy is “don’t ask, don’t tell.”
They signed up to this when they joined the military.
As such, “outing” themselves is a violation of a signed contract.
Texans don’t especialy like trust violators, it’s part of the white Christian culture. Trust violators are better off somewhere else, such as a blue state.
What’s the problem?
SeesThroughIt
Simon’s comments are the funniest thing I’ve read in quite some time. It’s so pathetically cute how he tries to cloak hatred in pseudoscientific babble, when his core point is pretty much aligned with all the other bigots (like Arrow, for example, who isn’t nearly as entertaining with his totally garden-variety bigotry).
Andrei
This post has now become my favorite Balloon-Juice post of all time. I love it when John Cole rants like a leftist only to get the freaks on the right side side of the aisle to basically open their mouths offering up the proof that Cole seriously needs to rethink whom his vote is helping.