I am swamped. I will be back later in the day. Consider this the open Plame Flame Thread.
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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
A sufficient plurality of insane, greedy people can tank any democratic system ever devised, apparently.
I wonder if trump will be tried as an adult.
There are consequences to being an arrogant, sullen prick.
Conservatism: there are some people the law protects but does not bind and others who the law binds but does not protect.
Republicans: slavery is when you own me. freedom is when I own you.
… riddled with inexplicable and elementary errors of law and fact
Good lord, these people are nuts.
You can’t love your country only when you win.
Motto for the House: Flip 5 and lose none.
The worst democrat is better than the best republican.
Yeah, with this crowd one never knows.
He wakes up lying, and he lies all day.
Bark louder, little dog.
The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.
We’ll be taking my thoughts and prayers to the ballot box.
They think we are photo bombing their nice little lives.
It’s always darkest before the other shoe drops.
Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.
Is it irresponsible to speculate? It is irresponsible not to.
When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.
I’m sure you banged some questionable people yourself.
Jack Smith: “Why did you start campaigning in the middle of my investigation?!”
The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.
Wow, I can’t imagine what it was like to comment in morse code.
Jcricket
President Bush proves he is a complete moron by endorsing the teaching of Intelligent Design in classrooms.
Stormy70
Kayser (the hot Iraqi) will be voted out of Big Brother 6 this week. Everyone sucks. :(
Plame Flame over and out.
Mr Furious
Soze?
neil
Bush has looked into Palmeiro’s heart and seen that he doesn’t really use steroids. Of course, frothing moonbat John Cole has swallowed the lies of the liberal media and is irresponsibly spreading their smear.
pleasewakeupy'all
Bush may have looked into his heart, but those that looked into his piss disagree with him.
db
Rafy Palmeiro…. what is this going to do for his Viagra position? Great quote from Costas the other night on Palmeiro: (paraphrasing) “This guy was getting wood.”
Catch the article about Novak in the Times? It raises the point again that Novak may have learned of Plame’s name and connection to Joe Wilson through “Who’s Who in America”. Now, wtf reads that book is what I would like to know. I am not a reporter. I don’t know reporters. But is that where reporters go to find their info about people? Novak has got to be jerking the press’s chain with this one…. funny to watch them take the bait, too.
mac Buckets
Gordon Ramsay should quit being the best chef in England, move to LA, and become a Reality TV host. “Hell’s Kitchen” was his first effort, and he’s already the best in the business…although they should move the show to HBO, so you can hear his inventive swearing.
Marcus Wellby
Stormy, I’ve been reading the update board and there is a small chance it could be Janelle going home. Maggie and her side might want Kayser to hang around to help get rid of James. It would be kind of stupid of them, since Kaysar is the bigger threat, but ya gotta have hope.
I don’t mind Howie, and if Kays goes I will root for him. As long as Ivette doesn’t win I’ll be happy.
TallDave
I think the course is clear: we must indict the editors of Who’s Who for treason.
Marcus Wellby
There was actualy a Brittish show of his on BBC America first. I forget the name, but he went to actual restaurants with the intent of improving them. It was great TV — the chefs were such utter morons and it was total fun to watch Gordon chew them out.
Nathan Lanier
The key question of the day is, who will play Karl Rove in the CBS docudrama “Rovegate”?
tBone
No, the REAL key question of the day is, “There are people actually watching Big Brother 6????”
Lucy Ramirez
Please tell Dan Rather I have some genuine 1972 documents that will blow the RoveGate conspiracy wide open!!
Oh, and on a totally unrelated note, can someone please tell me how to adjust fonts in MS Word?
ppGaz
We have microscopes that powerful?
DougJ
The Who’s Who quotation just shows what a tempest in a teapot this is. You could find out that Valerie Plame was a CIA operative JUST BY LOOKING IN WHO’S WHO. For all we know, that is how Rove found out. How can this possibly continue to be an issue?
Has Fitz subpoened the editors of Who’s Who yet?
TallDave
DougJ,
Well, to be fair, you could find Plame in WW but not her status as a CIA operative.
Rove found out from the media, where it was widely known. Of course, it’s really a non-issue, because Plame was no longer covert by then. Fitzgerald is only pursuing this because it’s possible one person — Judith Miller’s source — disclosed Plame’s identity at a time when Plame was still covert.
I don’t know why Dems think this issue helps them; I guess it’s Rove Derangement Syndrome at work. Every time this comes up the public is reminded again the Dems embraced Joe Wilson’s lies about a matter of national security for partisan gain.
DougJ
Yes. I heard that “Who’s Who” has a special edition where they list agent’s identities. That’s how they caught Robert Hanssen you know… plus Plame must have wanted to be caught if she had a valid driver’s license.
albedo
I love that show. I was kind of surprised Michael turned down having his own restaurant to work for Ramsey.
ppGaz
Prove it, Doug. Not everything you read on the rightwing websites is true.
Are you saying that Who’s Who violated national security laws? Do you know where they get most of their information on people they list? From the listees’ own biography submissions. Do you think that Ms. Wilson identified herself as a covert CIA employee to them, for publication? The putative entry is actually Joe Wilson’s listing; do you suppose that he outed his wife through that publication?
Produce the Who’s Who listing which proves your assertion, or shut the fuck up.
In fact, her occupation, as far as any public view is concerned, was always reported as being an employee of a “company” which was used as a CIA cover. The association of the company to the CIA was a secret.
The Who’s Who listing would have identified her as Mr. Wilson’s wife, not as a CIA operative.
While you are looking this up, please produce any Who’s Who listing which describes a subject as being a covert operative for the CIA. Anyone at all.
Shut up, you lying stupid sack of shit.
DougJ
“Yes. I heard that “Who’s Who” has a special edition where they list agent’s identities. That’s how they caught Robert Hanssen you know… plus Plame must have wanted to be caught if she had a valid driver’s license.”
I didn’t write this. Someone here is impersonating me.
ppGaz
Ah. Wonderful. You’ve cloned yourself?
I thought you were against cloning?
Stormy70
Ivette is EVIL. I get the feed updates on Television without Pity or here at Jokersupdates.com
I’ll have to catch up with them though. I like Janelle, but Kayser (Soze) is one of the best players in the game. I hope he can be saved, and James needs to be taken out…stat!
Once again, Ivette is EVIL! I have much love for Howie, and will root for him to win. Rachel is bleh.
Stormy70
Attack of the Clones! (I know, really weak joke, but who can resist it?)
Mike S
That was a very smart move. It will give him great experiance. I heard somewhere that over 80% of new restaraunts go down within a year. By taking Ramsey up on that offer he’ll get vastly more experiance than simply winning a reality show.
I think Kayser will win the veto. Then James’ GF will go up, unfortunate because she’s the cutest girl in the house. I’d rather see Eric’s whole team go down one by one than anything else after this week.
Well, almost anything else. The European version has nudity which the contestants this year are very well suited for.
KC
I think Kevin Drum’s got a pretty good take on this latest Plame twist. In short, he says this 1) contradicts Novak’s earlier statements and 2) doesn’t really make any sense from a reporting perspective. In essence, would a fifty year reporting veteran have use Who’s Who to get the name of Wilson’s wife?
albedo
Yeah, agreed that it was the smart move. Just surprising to see someone on a reality show take experience and a distant payoff over instant gratification.
KC
DougJ has a clone? Awesome.
Nathan Lanier
I, DougJ
pleasewakeupy'all
Doug J, your ignorance is palpable.
Novak’s reference to Who’s Who was only to explain (quite meekly) how he made the connection that Valerie Plame is Joe Wilson’s wife–certainly not that
Now go have some more Kool-Aid.
Another Jeff
If there are now two DougJ’s, then ppGaz is gonna have to up his blood-pressure meds.
ppGaz
Oh, the inanity!
Wilson’s wife name has never been a secret. As Wilson himself has stated, his wifes name was Valerie Wilson, or Mrs. Joe Wilson. Many people knew her as Valerie Plame, as we now live in the age of women keeping their unmarried names after marriage.
Not a secret. Not an issue here. Not relevant.
It wasn’t her name that mattered, it was her status as a CIA operative that mattered, and is relevant. That, and only that.
All of this “who is Joe’s wife” bullshit is nothing but a red herring, floated out there by the lying and scheming cocksuckers who have an interest in muddying the water. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASE.
demimondian
Yeah, and I’m going to have to start writing even more fishing tips.
Stormy70
True.
Anyone want to watch HBO’s new drama Rome?
ppGaz
Actually, I think he is a very skilled panderer. He wants the issue “discussed”, and no reasonable person could be against “discussion” of the issue. If it’s part of a general discussion of the role and standing of science, and it’s done in a “reality based” way, I don’t see a problem with it.
It’s when ID is presented as a viable alternative to science, that I have a problem. It is not, and should not be presented as such.
Stormy70
Someone is waking up over there.
Mike S
Over here as well.
Marcus Wellby
ha, for two people whose politics could not be more different, we sure have the same taste in TV! Yeah, I cannot wait for Rome. Are you a fan of the new Battlestar Galactica?
The best BB6 site I’ve found is here Morty’s
Stormy70
I missed the 1st season of Battlestar Galactica, as well as the rerun of the first season on Sci fi. I am interested, but it will have to wait. Do you watch Deadwood, you c…sucker?
(fans of the show will get that this is an inside type joke.)
TV will always transcend politics. Just like a good drink.
I am going right now to check out Morty’s. Stupid Ivette (can’t be said enough.)
Marcus Wellby
Yes, Deadwood rocks. I missed the first season, but went back and watched them all on OnDemand. Swearagen (sp?) is the entire show, the scenes without him just fill the time until he shows up. The Wire, even though I only started watching season 3, is also excellent. I am going to get the first season DVD’s from NetFlix. Galtactica is great, but the amount of commercials weigh it down a bit.
When you go to Morty’s, click the “Live Feed” update links. There are people who transcribe the feeds in almost real time. Sh*t, between that site and here I am really falling behind in work.
Fledermaus
Gordon Ramsay should quit being the best chef in England
Isn’t this like saying someone is the best bobsledder in Jamaica?
mac Buckets
I dunno, after seeing Ramsey’s Boiling Point (his 2 BBC Series which take place in his London restaurant), there will be days where Michael will wish he were in America. He’d better have asbestos skin.
That was Kitchen Nightmares, but Ramsey was less of a host and more of a star in that one. It’s his skill as a host that KO’d me in HK.
Mike S
I haven’t been able to get into galactica. I liked the pilot but not the show.
The best BB contestant ever was evil Dr. Will.
Anybody watching INXS? Better than I espected.
Marcus Wellby
What I liked about the Boiling Point show is that you saw that there were two sides to Ramsey. He could be a total bastard if you screwed up, but was just as quick to reward good behaviour. On HK he seemed just to be angry all the time — didn’t appear to show the same level of fairness as on Boiling Point. I guess the difference would be the Brit show was true reality TV, the American show was “Reality” TV – manufactured for higher drama.
I also couldn’t stand the contenstants on HK. Bunch of spoiled, entitled cry-babies. The Brit chefs on BP seemed to have thicker skins and an ability to take criticism. Would be completely wrong to make any broad conclusions of eash society based on these shows, but it sure is an interesting starting point. When did Americans become such cry-babies? Are most Americans cry-babies, or just the sort that want to be on reality shows?
Marcus Wellby
I caught the first few episodes but kind of lost interest. It did start out better than I imagined, but somehow it lost a bit of steam for me.
I mean, really they are going to pick a guy, seems pointless to even have female contestants. Anyone who goes to an INXS concert, should they ever have another, is going to want to hear the old songs sounding as close as possible to what they remember. Hence, they will need a singer who sounds as much as possible like the first singer. I don’t think anyone is going to want to hear anything from “the new CD”.
albedo
Me and my girlfriend were just talking the other night about how everyone cries on TV these days, and at the drop of a hat. I feel like it wasn’t that way a few years ago.
Stormy70
Also, what is with all the reality people hugging all the time. Hello, girls? The dudes are just trying to feel you up. Idiots. Any dude that tries to hug me all the time encounters my elbows placed at strategic intervals. I really hate all the squooshy hugging outbreak among reality contestants.
demimondian
Geez, Stormy. Maybe some of those girls like being felt up by (what did you call him?) hot Iraqis?
ppGaz
From Eric Alterman at MSNBC:
Great Quotes in History or, Why Can’t Life be More Like Baseball?
“I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period.”
The guy who said that was slapped with a ten day suspension. But what about these guys?
“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” Dick Cheney Speech to VFW National Convention, Aug. 26, 2002.[i]
“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.” George W. Bush Speech to U.N. General Assembly, Sept. 12, 2002.[ii]
“We know they have weapons of mass destruction … There isn’t any debate about it.” [It is] beyond anyone’s imagination” that U.N. inspectors would fail to find such weapons if they were given the opportunity. Donald Rumsfeld, September 2002.[iii]
“If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.” Ari Fleischer Press Briefing, Dec. 2, 2002.[iv]
“We know for a fact that there are weapons there.” Ari Fleischer Press Briefing, Jan. 9, 2003.[v]
“We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.” Colin Powell Remarks to U.N. Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003.[vi]
“We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons — the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.” George W. Bush Radio Address, Feb. 8, 2003.[vii]
“So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad?… I think our judgment has to be clearly not.” Colin Powell Remarks to U.N. Security Council, March 7, 2003.[viii]
“Does Saddam now have weapons of mass destruction? Sure he does. We know he has chemical weapons. We know he has biological weapons. . . Defense Policy Board Chair, Richard Perle, speaking to a Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee hearing, March, 2003. [ix]
“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.” George W. Bush Address to the Nation, March 17, 2003. [x]
“Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly… all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.” Ari Fleisher Press Briefing, March 21, 2003[xi]
“There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction.” Gen. Tommy Franks Press Conference, March 22, 2003. [xii]
“We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” Donald Rumsfeld ABC Interview, March 30, 2003. [xiii]
“I’m absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there ” Colin Powell Remarks to Reporters, May 4, 2003. [xiv]
Stormy70
I concede the point. :) Kayser is hot and Iraqi, but not a huge hugger like Howie or Eric, so a hug from him would be treasured. But his motives are probably not that pure since he is into all things Janelle.
I was really referring to all reality shows in the totality.
Mike S
Thanks for the warning.
Marcus Wellby
Some people are huggers, some are not. My family (of Irish stock) are not big into the hugging. My wife’s family (Italian) are major huggers. Takes some getting used to.
I think in the case of reality TV, it may be encouraged by the producers. It creates a more family-like atmosphere which only adds to the drama of future betrayals. Also, people may be adopting a persona for TV — I know i’d rather be seen as a gregorious hugger on TV than the actual Marcus with freakishly poor social skills!
db
WHO’s WHERE?
New companion book to “Who’s Who” just came out called “Who’s Where”. I took a look and learned that Osama is in the mountains of Afghanistan/Pakistan and that Saddam is in an undisclosed trailer wishing he had pressed his lips against Bush’s nutsack like Musharraf.
Lesson: even if you are the leader of a country with nuclear weapons and loads of terrorists, kissing Bushy balls can keep you alive.
DougJ
If the Iraqi had been getting hugged by Americans, the media would have called it torture.
jg
http://accstudios.com/f/comicpreview_page_cover.htm
Lord help us. Persecution fantasies from the ruling party.
mac Buckets
Yeah, Alterman is trying out his historical revisionism again, pretending that only Republicans thought that Saddam had WMD. Problem is, we have quotes saying the same from Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Daschle, Teddy K, Waxman, Gore, etc. etc. etc.
Wonder why Alterman neglected to put those quotes in? No, just kidding. I know the answer. It rhymes with “shmintellectually pishonest artisan prick.”