Not much on the Plame front, but there is this:
There are basically two possible and quite divergent scenarios surrounding jailed New York Times reporter Judith Miller’s involvement in the Plame/CIA leak case. It is quite possible that she had no ulterior or activist role in the leak and she really is just protecting her source(s) and her journalistic champions justifiably are standing by her. But a counter view, which I have been suggesting since February, is strongly emerging now, with a surprising number of Timesmen and Timeswomen (off the record) believing it, or at least fearing it is true.
One would think that, as worries about Miller’s true role rise with every day she spends in jail, The Times would finally answer a few questions about what it knows and when it knew it. Yet, in his eye-opening internal review of July 28, the paper’s intelligence reporter in Washington, Doug Jehl, revealed: “Bill Keller, the executive editor of The New York Times declined to address written questions about whether Ms. Miller was assigned to report about Mr. Wilson’s trip, whether she tried to write a story about it, or whether she ever told editors or colleagues at the newspaper that she had obtained information about the role played by Ms. Wilson.”
Here we have a hint of the “split” at The Times. On one level is the top management — Publisher Arthur Sulzberger, Jr. and Bill Keller — who endorse Miller’s version that she was actually “reporting” on Plame in July 2003 and her view of herself as valiant defender of the First Amendment. A Times spokeswoman summed up the corporate bottom line last week: “Judy is an intrepid, principled, and Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist who has provided our readers with thorough and comprehensive reporting throughout her career.”
On another level, some of the paper’s elite reporters — not to mention some Times columnists — suggest in various pieces on the Plame affair that they are somewhat skeptical of her claim that she was contemplating writing a story on Plame in early summer 2003. The issue is critical because, if she was not actually talking to people about a story, what was she talking to them about?
Have at each other.
DougJ
I’ve got all the respect in the world for Judy Miller. She’s one of the only reporters at the Times who had the guts to buck the librul conventional wisdom and write articles about the MAJOR THREAT that Saddam posed to us. And she’s stuck by her guns.
It’s a tribute the ferociousness of the librul assault on freedom that she is behind bars right now.
capelza
“The liberal assault on freedom”? I thought she was in jail because she refused to name a source in an investigation by a Republican, Fitzgerald…
DougJ
And another thing, Democrats: even your fellow liberal Paul Begala says if worst comes to worst, Rove will be pardoned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/featuredposts.html#a005266
Face it: nothing will come of Fitzgerald’s anti-Bush jiahd.
ppGaz
Yeah, but your paean would be glossier if not for one little detail: She was wrong.
Your idea of “nothing will come of it.”
The potential scenario will end, forever, the grotesque moralistic posturing by the Bush administration over the WOT and in particular the war on Iraq. In case you hadn’t noticed, public sentiment about the potatoheads’ conduct of the war, and their honesty during the run-up, are in a free fall. Only in your mind could any mention of Plamegate serve to do anything but accelerate that trend.
Tim F
capelza,
In case you’re new, DougJ is parody. Or else too dumb to breathe. Either way go to town if you enjoy kicking rocks.
Kimmitt
Told ya she was a co-conspirator.
capelza
Thanks Tim F, I go between realising he must be a troll, a satire, or just a jokester BUT on the other hand, I do know folks like him, who really, really buy into this stuff. But agreed, I had just woken up and the caffiene hadn’t kicked in yet. My bad..kicking rocks hurts my toes…
Rome Again
Please cite the proof that Saddam Hussein posed a “MAJOR THREAT” to “us”.
Rome Again
I do not think that word “PARDON” means what you think it does. Pardoned does not mean he is not found guilty or complicit in outing an undercover CIA Agent; no, rather, it means that the Bush junta will find a way to get him off the hook. On that point, Begala and I agree.
Rome Again
John, you keep saying “nothing much on the Plame front” but you fail to notice there are rumblings of Fitzgerald being dumped after his current boss retires and Bush replaces him with a more friendly overseer. Why are you failing to mention this?
Rusty Shackleford
DougJ Says:
And another thing, Democrats: even your fellow liberal Paul Begala says if worst comes to worst, Rove will be pardoned
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblog/featuredposts.html#a005266
Face it: nothing will come of Fitzgerald’s anti-Bush jiahd.
August 8th, 2005 at 10:59 am
Begala’s post is satire. Notice how he makes it a point to refer to 9/11 in every paragraph?
I don’t know what is funnier…Begala’s post or DougJ’s utter cluelessness.
Veeshir
there are rumblings of Fitzgerald being dumped after his current boss retires and Bush replaces him with a more friendly overseer.
Links please.
I tried to google it but I feel dirty wading through the links I got from “fitzgerald rove retire”.
Very dirty.
ppGaz
As a card-carrying left wing sympathizer,I’d say those rumblings are mostly paranoid shrieks from lefty people who are imagining things.
When the thing happens, we can worry about it.
Mike S
Newsweek
Stormy70
BWAAAHAAAAAA! The evil plan is revealed at last.
Rome Again
Thank you Mike S. I was on another thread and missed the request for a link. I’m grateful that you provided the Newsweek material. Again, thanks!
Rome Again
And of course, you would be happy to see justice left undone if any wrong-doing actually occurred, just so that your President remains unscathed.
Yeah, I thought so.
Bob
Re: “mostly paranoid shrieks from lefty people who are imagining thingsz”
Saturday night massacre. It happened once, and back then people actually cared that their president was lying.
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Regarding Judith Miller, if she hadn’t been assigned to cover a story, or if she never reported to her superiors that she was working on a story, how could one prove whether or not she was actually working on a story? And if that’s the case, how can a reporter every be called to testify about anything? What a shield!
Mike S
Just plain sad. For so many on the right there is just no problem with the possibility that the prosecutor’s new boss may be an old friend of the President’s. Every thing that has gone wrong with the new GOP can be garnered by looking at Stormy’s posts in the last week or so. Zero consern about what is best for the country, total consern for what is best for the party and the President.
The fact the there is a precedent for the President getting rid of investigators that may harm the Republican party won’t matter one wit. What will matter is that the President, his administration and the party be saved at all costs.
No problem there, is there? Of course not. The Party is America and anything that may hurt the Party hurts America. It’s a pattern with Stormy and it’s a pattern with the rest of the new Republican party.
Stormy70
I just think I will wait for the report before getting excised about the whole Yale thing. I’m still waiting for proof of the actual crime, and some of you have spun theory after theory. You’ve jumped from gay Gannons Cock to this. Come on, the comedy writes itself. This is Newsweek, for God’s sake! And Isakoff! The Koran King, himself.
Hurting America…suuure, mmkay {backs away slowly from crazy talk}
ppGaz
Excised. If only.
But seriously, “wait for the report” hasn’t stopped you from declaring the whole case to be bunk, day after day. Complete with your patented “Who’s Who” baloney, and the “Langley gate” baloney, and all the rest of it.
Isn’t it a little late to start waiting?
Mike S
You’re a very good New Republican, Stormy. Anything that puts the admin in a bad light is easily ignored because of ‘the librul media” or any other such claim. Critical thinking is un-needed because the excuses are all at your finger tips.
My party, right or wrong. Right?
Veeshir
Pretty funny link. I see no rumblings of Fitzgerald being dumped, merely a change in bosses.
Member of Skull and Bones? So was John Effin Kerry. He was even in Bush’s class!!!! He must be part of the conspiracy.
Pardon me if I don’t trust Isikoff very much.
I also liked this part:
The questions are pertinent because lawyers close to the case believe the probe is in its final stages.
So the investigation is almost over and Bush is going to appoint a ‘friend’ to quash it?
This ain’t Bill Clinton and Janet Reno with a compliant press.
Have at me for mentioning Clinton, Reno and a compliant press. I need a good laugh.
Rome Again
It’s possible that because the investigation is wrapping up it will be concluded, but this passage has me a little worried:
The person sent to replace Comey will most likely have the same authority, and the ability to shut down the case altogether, no matter how close it is to completion. Bush did it once with Abramoff, why wouldn’t he do it again? Do you really think he is going to leave his administration to chance with the possibility of charges of obstruction of justice and other charges hanging over them? Somehow I sincerely doubt it; but until it happens (if it happens) we won’t know. When the cat is out of the bag, you and I can discuss whether Bush took himself and his cronies out of the frying pan or not. Until then, I predict he will.
Rome Again
Regarding Isikoff and the Newsweek story about the Koran being used in inappropriate torture tactics… just because the White House stated the story isn’t true doesn’t mean the story isn’t true… it just means that Bush’s henchmen sufficiently choked the story of any attention.
One day you’ll figure it out, we’re living in an Orwellian world where a good economy means we’re paying over $2.40 for a gallon of gas, and unemployment rates include service jobs reshuffled into the “manufacturing” category. Stocks are up, but the common man’s ability to survive is down. The Haves are enjoying the ride, while the have-nots are wondering when bread is going to be too expensive to purchase.
You just keep right on deluding yourself, because you see, there’s this thing called REALITY, and one day it’s going to wake you up to the fact that you’re being fed lies and eating them up like chocolate cake. When you figure it out though, it will already be too late to have done anything about it, and you’ll either let out a loud cackle of insane laughter at the fact that the poor man has been eradicated, or you’ll feel such extreme guilt that you may decide to put a gun to your head. Either way, one day reality will show itself to you. Just because Bush says he can change reality with words, doesn’t mean it’s true. Wait and see.
Veeshir
Is that grape or tootie-fruity?
Rome Again
I think you got it wrong Veeshir, the grape is used in transubstiation rituals and the tootie-fruity is served to the Sunday Schoolers with cookies. The poison I’m forced to drink is much more bitter, it tastes more like tabasco sauce, and it comes in gallon-sized jugs.
Rome Again
Oh, by the way, the name on the label is “Cognitive Dissonance in 21st Century America”, but it’s been nicknamed “The Unpresident”.
Veeshir
I googled “Abramoff Bush” and found a bunch of crap but none explained this
Bush did it once with Abramoff
What did Bush do with Abramoff and do you have a link?
Mike S
From my comment above.
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