This is just what the country needed:
A filmmaker has sued Sen. John Kerry and a one-time campaign aide, saying they defamed him as they sought to block the broadcast of an anti-Kerry documentary during the 2004 presidential election.
The lawsuit, filed this week on behalf of producer Carlton Sherwood and a Vietnam veterans group, is the latest salvo in the battle over the documentary “Stolen Honor: Wounds That Never Heal.”
The film contends that Kerry’s anti-war activities when he returned from Vietnam caused further harm to captured U.S. soldiers.
The Sinclair Broadcast Group, which as of last year owned 62 TV stations that reached a quarter of all U.S. households, canceled plans to air the documentary during the razor-close Bush-Kerry race last fall and instead showed only portions of it as part of a broader program.
The Democratic National Committee had complained that “Stolen Honor” amounted to an illegal in-kind contribution to President Bush’s campaign, and Kerry’s campaign asked for equal time.
Sherwood’s suit alleges that Kerry directed the DNC to issue a statement that falsely said the film was produced and funded by “extreme right-wing activists.”
That is it. I am opposing a moratorium on new news. Wingnuts everywhere, just STOP. Right now. There is too much going on. Oh, and btw, that means you too, Al. No more of the digital brownshirt bit.
*** Update ***
Personally, what we really need is some Cindy Sheehan/George Galloway action. Because there is nothing going on, you know…
Lines
Michael Moore is fat
Another Jeff
Ann Coulter has a big adams apple.
Gratefulcub
That is why we need tort reform. no more frivolous lawsuits.
I heart Al.
Horshu
If calling saying that an “extreme X-wing activist is funding something” is grounds for a lawsuit, then I think it spells the end of Dill Do’Reilly and Sean Hannity.
Steve
Yeah, no kidding. The only thing worse than a whiny loser is a whiny winner.
Maybe Karl Rove has a libel claim against everyone at dkos because they accuse him of being behind everything.
This is obviously a cheap publicity stunt and, as such, unworthy of belonging to the “news overflow.”
Rick
Well, if the Swift Boat Vets lied about Kerry, this would be the opening for a counter-suit to collect their pensions, incomes and law licenses.
Welcome to the Murika made by the trial bar.
Cordially…
Clever
Pretty white girl missing. Non-stop coverage starting at 5.
Gratefulcub
Clever,
As I got ready for work today, I overheard a story on CNN, MSNBC, Today Show…..whatever Amy had on the TV. They found the remains of a very cute missing white college student this morning that had been missing for three weeks. you could almost hear the despair in the voices. They just discovered she was missing, they were sending camera crews to campus, searching for experts on missing white women (aren’t we all experts by now)….and BAM. They found a body. Oh well, what is this Rove thing I hear people talking about?
Davebo
Shorter Perfessor Cole
I’m sick and tired of these dang wingnuts!
But I’ve got to throw in a Gore reference to maintain my fair and balanced bullshit..
Digital brownshirt? Give me a break.
rayabacus
O’Neil is on record as saying that he would personally pay Kerry’s filing fee if Kerry would sue him and the Swift Boat Vets. He has recently said that he would also waive the Statute of Limitations. (Last month I think)
Clever
Gratefulcub,
Disturbing on many levels. Don’t really know how to follow that…
Davebo
Raybacus
As we’ve seen in the Delay case, waiving statute of limitations is nice, but can be unwaived at any time.
As to his offer, where did you hear of it? Someone needs to clue in the guys at Google.
Steve
Well, you certainly can’t unwaive the statute of limitations after the case has already been filed.
I don’t know how you sue someone for their law license, by the way. Is that like when you’re playing poker, and someone bets the deed to the ranch?
Rick
O’Neil is on record as saying that he would personally pay Kerry’s filing fee if Kerry would sue him and the Swift Boat Vets.
rayabacus,
Given that Kerry and Edwards are both in need of hobby, being a 20-year seat-warmer in the first case, and unemployed in the second, I wonder why they don’t act in the name of laying out the truth.
Seems Edwards knows a thing or a million about torts.
Cordially…
KC
Got to love the whole Sheehan action thing.
rayabacus
I believe it was on Fox with Hannity. I also think Beldar had a transcript of that conversation.
Stormy70
I am personally glad that work is kicking my ass at this time of hyperpartisanship. I do like the Meirs pick, though. Flame away, suckers!
Tim F
Redundant.
bugz
I think it is entirely justified. I remember the whole dustup, and how the Kerry campaign and the DNC both brought all sorts of pressure on the Sinclair network of stations to prevent the documentary from being shown.
How is it that the left can distribute a pack of outright lies like Farenhype 911, but the right gets threatened with FCC action? (“More than 100 Democratic members of the United States Congress asked the FCC to consider the propriety of the broadcast, and Ted Kennedy, Kerry’s Senate colleague from Massachusetts, asked the Justice Department to investigate. The Democratic National Committee filed a formal complaint with the Federal Election Commission.” ref [url]http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Stolen_Honor:_Wounds_That_Never_Heal[/url]
Seems like all of the stifling of dissent going on is coming from the left.
Tim F
John,
Speaking of redundant, the second-to-last word in your blog title renders the last word superfluous, like saying that a platoon ‘marched on foot.’
Demimondian, I’ll take my card back.
SeesThroughIt
Wow, Carlton Sherwood is a total pussy. (I hope I don’t get sued for that remark.)
Vlad
“Personally, what we really need is some Cindy Sheehan/George Galloway action.”
Least appealing in-the-news partisan porn pairing: George Galloway and Cindy Sheehan, or Karl Rove and Judith Miller?
kchiker
You’d almost think that perhaps something was brewing in the news…that perhaps someone would like to distract us from. I wonder when we might get…say an elevated subway security level or something. Oh wait….
Darrell
I feel a chill wind blowing in this country
Tim F
That’s the wind between your ears. The rest of us see a warm sunrise on the way. morning in America.
Andrei
Chill wind?
Yeah. Welcome to that cold day in hell so many have been promising you guys ever since the GOP made Clinton an unnessary partisan hit target back in the 90s.
You break it, you bought it.
Sojourner
What’s the point of a lawsuit? It only gives O’Neil the attention he craves. What a pathetic human being.
demimondian
Uh…yeah. For that display, I think you earned it.
ppGaz
Keith Olbermann, the closest thing we have to an honest journalist in television today, puts on a broadcast tonight (see the rebroadcast later this evening on MSNBC) in which a pretty good case is made for an imminent Rove indictment, followed by a pretty good case for the notion that “Look – a terror threat!” is again being played by this administration in order to deflect attention from its crushing incompetance and mendacity …… leading me, at least, to wonder how in the world we ever sunk to a level lower than the one we were at when Richard Fucking Nixon was president …..
But here, we have …. this useless thread.
I think this is called a “hide the salami” thread.
To see the salami, watch Olbermann at 9 pm PDT.
M. Scott Eiland
Keith Olbermann, the closest thing we have to an honest journalist in television today
Ah yes, the fellow who’s convinced the election in Ohio was stolen. Quite honest indeed. . .as are most folks who let their supply of anti-psychotic medication run out. Just don’t let them near any sharp instruments.
demimondian
At the end, sir, have you no shame?
Kimmitt
There are times when I feel like conservatism is a subset of paranoid psychosis. You know what I mean?
Pb
Indeed. A stark contrast to Mr. Ken “that ballot is too light for your vote to count” Blackwell.
JoeTX
This administration is just plain out flat dishonest. Their company sponsors are reaping billions (and in turn themselves) from corporate friendly legislation and from that boondoggle in Iraq. What is so tinfoil hat about stealing a few votes here and there?
Bush, Rove, Cheney, Libby, Wolfowitz, Bremer, Office of Special Plans, Plamegate, Coingate, Boatgate, Housegate, Feith, Delay, Blount, Cunningham, Abramoff, Ney, and the list goes on. We’ve trusted these crooks to watch the vault, and they’ve robbed it blind and left us with trillons of worthless IOU’s that even China will be choking on soon.
Rome Again
Yes, and yet there are still quite a few people who think these are the good guys. Can anyone say “Cognitive Dissonance”?
jobiuspublius
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth: Saving Salami Since 196SomethingOrOther
M. Scott Eiland
At the end, sir, have you no shame?
I’d give that one a serious answer, but I’m too busy snickering at the sheer gall–even by moonbat standards–that it takes to expropriate that old chestnut to defend Keith Olberloon.
demimondian
I’ll take that as a “no”, then.
eileen from OH
Okayyyyy, what I don’t get is why Gore’s speech was “brownshirt?”
Gore = Fascist?
eileen from OH
Charlie (Colorado)
No, Eileen, it’s a quote from an earlier Gore speech.
And John, don’t you mean “propose”?
Hokie
How is it that the left can distribute a pack of outright lies like Farenhype 911
You are aware what an analogy is, right?
Good. Then you know why this is a completely disanalogous situation. Carry on.
Also, what’s the deal with this “moonbat” word? It doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense. It even lacks any sort of profane reference. I mean, come on, people, you can be more creative than that, can’t you?
Shygetz
Hmm, excellent question…from someone who has no idea what the FCC is. FCC patrols broadcast media, not films shown in theaters. The Swift Boat Liars movies was going to be shown over the public airwaves right before an election; Moore’s film was shown in theaters.
Jim Allen
With all due (i.e., minimal) respect to the fine hacks at the Boston Herald, Gore’s full quote was:
“The present executive branch has made it a practice to try and control and intimidate news organizations: from PBS to CBS to Newsweek. They placed a former male escort in the White House press pool to pose as a reporter – and then called upon him to give the president a hand at crucial moments. They paid actors to make make phony video press releases and paid cash to some reporters who were willing to take it in return for positive stories. And every day they unleash squadrons of digital brownshirts to harass and hector any journalist who is critical of the President.”
Gore didn’t compare Bush’s staff to the brownshirts, but said Bush’s staff unleashed the brownshirts. Bush’s staff are much higher up in the Reichstag than mere brownshirts.
Carry on.
And I, too, heart Al.
Com Con
What’s the difference? Theaters are public places so the same basic rules should apply.
And did any of you see clips of Al Gore’s speech? He was practically foaming at the mouth. I guess he’s angry about all the heat he’s taking for that pathetic little “rescue” stunt he pulled in New Orleans. He should stop giving speeches and go back to inventing internets.
Another Jeff
The best part of the Gore speech was where he said that he turned on a newsprogram expecting to get some hard news about important issues of the day (which was probably mistake number one) and what got instead was a story about a kid that’s had the hiccups for three years.
Jim Allen
Com Con —
“What’s the difference?”? Since when does the FCC have any authority over what is shown in a movie theater?
Com Con
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t one of the C’s for COMMUNICATION. Aren’t movies a form of communication? The FCC could easily have put a stop to Michael Moore’s lying, extreme left propaganda if it wanted to. They’re cowed by the fear of a left-wing backlash. That’s why they won’t do their job.
Defense Guy
Charlie, he resurrected that claim for this last speech as well, a small greatest hits moment, for the folks.
Tim F
Morning, DougJ.
Defense Guy
Com Con (or whoever you really are)
It’s not even a good job of parody. If you try to be a little more reasonable you might pull it off.
CadillaqJaq
“Andrei Says:
Chill wind?
Yeah. Welcome to that cold day in hell so many have been promising you guys ever since the GOP made Clinton an unnessary partisan hit target back in the 90s.”
IMO what ever “target” Clinton was back in the 90s was the product of his own behavior; no “you guys” made him into anything he wasn’t already. Let him take the responsibility.
danelectro
clinton chronicles, cadillaqjaq.
Andrei
Oh please… That’s such utter bullshit. How do you explain a 4 year or so independent investingation into Whitewater, a real estate case, that converts into a the President lying about an affair and getting impeached under oath for an ENTIRELY different matter that to a large degree was created by the investigation itself. (The lying about the affair, not the fact he was having one.)
No one I think ever defended the President for his bevahior, but the zeal and fervor the GOP went after him is what I was talking about. The GOP has created the atmosphere of attack politics and are now wallowing in their own cesspool for it.
Andrei
Wow. An openly fascst remark from a right-winger. Who woulda thunk John would not repsond to that one on his own boards?
Lines
So despite the active world of politics and war, what do I see on the Today Show this morning? Oh, sea lions are irritating the rich people in southern California and they are pissed off because they can’t chase them away. Those damn environmentalists have made it impossible.
Ah, that damn liberal media again. They must be ignoring the indictment story because its going to ultimately be embarrasing to the lefties, starting with the arrest of Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame and then extending into most of the Clinton Administration. I’m betting Sandy Berger shoved the hastily torn page of Who’s Who in his socks and ran out, laughing like a hyenia.
Defense Guy
First, its a ‘left winger’ doing a parody of a ‘right winger’ and second, it’s not a board, it’s John’s blog. You are entirely welcome to fuck off whenever you get sick of it.
Jim Allen
Thanks, Tim F — that it might be the Resident Chain-yanker Extraordinaire never occured to me.
It should have, though — one should only be that stupid with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
Sojourner
The FCC is responsible for monitoring the public airwaves – which we the people supposedly own – in spite of Repub attempts to take this ownership away from us.
We do not own the movie theaters nor do we own cable.
That’s the difference.
jobiuspublius
Maybe it’s a parody of a parody. DamN that DougJ is clever, which would explain everything, suckers. Look, can’t you clowns find anything better to yammer about? Hey, this just in, there is war and reCONstruction going on “run” by crooks and cronies. And to top it all off, nobody can find the salami!!
jobiuspublius
BTW, from Luntz’s play book:
Show and tell. That’s why Meirs is all things to all people. How many times do I have to tell you naive geriatrics? We The People are being played, like salamis, or whatever it’s called.
The sneaky thing, for the dominant party, to do would be to craft a national theme, being that it’s expected there will not be one. He does that with
What a sneaky little phrase. It means whatever the listener wants it to mean. Hehe, what a “uniter”.
Tim F
The blog’s gone awfully quiet. Too quiet.
DougJ
The aspens are turning, Tim.
Defense Guy
I question the timing.
Krista
It IS quiet right now, isn’t it? The Canadian contingent of posters has a long weekend and might already be en route to their weekend destinations, but we don’t make up that sizeable a percentage, do we?
jobiuspublius
How very suspicious of Friday to arrive just as we were discussing the hiding of salami.
Krista
Well, salami IS the traditional Thanksgiving dish in Canada…
Lines
The best time to hide the salami is on a slow newsday, as then it will be overlooked and under commented. Statistically, less people pay attention the salami on Friday’s through the weekend and there is a great rush to find the salami on Mondays.
Given all of that, where would be the best place to hide the salami?
jobiuspublius
Where a dog can’t sniff and dig it out. Mark my words. When all is said and done, the legacy of this WH will be all the hidden salami that Barney, the First Dog, had squireled away. A dog is way more effective than a thousand 911-commissions or grand juries.
Krista
No terrier that I’ve ever known has squirrelled away food. Unless squirreling it away in his stomach counts.
jobiuspublius
That goes to show you how much salami there is and what a deep throat the little guy is.
Krista
Okay, this is getting disturbing.
Andrei
Wow… you’re starting to sound like one of them pussy wingers these days Defense Guy. Touchy subject for you?
jobiuspublius
That’s the nature of salami and the reason it is hidden.
Krista
You are a strange, sick little man, aren’t you?
Defense Guy
Indeed. Heh.
pmm
There’s a Gannon joke waiting to be told in this thread, somewhere.
demimondian
No, no, no! DougJ, get it right, will you? The talking point is “The aspens are turning a corner. The summer is in its last throes, leading to an inevitable Fall.”
(With apologies to those from Canada, who are unable to defend themselves, seeing as it’s already Winter up there.)
jobiuspublius
I owe it all to 5 years worth of Luntz and Rove’s platitudes.
jobiuspublius
*vicious platitudes.
jobiuspublius
I wonder where Gannon’s, or whatever he’s called, been hiding.
Krista
demimondian – only in Winnipeg.
Krista
It’s still Autumn for most of the country. The leaves are quite lovely, actually.
Lines
Ever seen Pulp Fiction? Remember the Gimp? If he can live in a trunk in the basement, so can Gannon.
Its always fun to see a thread like this transform into a chat room when teacher is away.
jobiuspublius
When the cats away, the mice will play – another foolish game.
demimondian
Krista — I like to remind my friends from further south that Madison is due west of Toronto and has a far more severe winter climate.
But, hey, c’mon — a day without useless Canada-bashing is like a day without moonshine.
Lines
Do mice play hide the salami, though?
Reminds me of a joke I heard at a Republican Luncheon (Lunch would be too lowbrow):
An elephant is walking through the jungle when it gets a thorn stuck in its foot. As its trying with all it’s brute strength to remove the rock, a small mouse comes up and says “I can get that thorn out of your foot for one free favor.”
The elephant thinks for a minute, figures that a small mouse can’t ask for more than an elephant can give and says “sure, do your best”
POP, out comes the thorn. The elephant looks at the mouse and asks him what she can do for him.
“Well, I’ve never screwed an elephant, I’d really like to do that”
The elephant, after laughing mightily, grants the mouse his wish. As the mouse climbs up on her back and starts going at it, the elephant steps on another thorn.
“Ouch!” she exclaimes.
And the mouse, in all his glory yells, “yeah, bitch, take it all!”
Defense Guy
A leader we all can agree on. Bow down insolent knaves.
DougJ
Do you that Gannon, like the Gimp, is kept as a sex slave by two sadistic rednecks?
Krista
…or salami.
Lines
A way to make your moonshine more palatable is to add plums to it. Let the plums soak up much of the diesel fuel taste, then remove the plums and drink!
Just don’t eat the plums. I guess thats only for serious rednecks.
Now plums in salami, thats just wrong.
Steven D
Actually, what the country really needs is the Anne Coulter updated book being hawked in your blog ads. I can feel the level of discourse elevating as I type.
Krista
What about salami in moonshine?
John must look over some of these dead threads sometime and just shake his head at the shenanigans that occur.
Krista
You know, looking at that picture…Christ, she DOES look manly, doesn’t she?
Now we know where the salami is.
Lines
well shoot, might as well put mice in the moonshine.
Course, they might like it, get brain damage, and then get a superiority complex and want to be president.
Krista
Ba-DUM-dum.
Anyhoo, lads…it’s been a lark, but I’m off to the mother’s house for a long Thanksgiving weekend of turkey, too much wine, and a heaping helping of French-Canadian melodrama. Wish me luck, and go easy on the salami jokes.
demimondian
I’ve heard that the best way to improve the “flavor” of moonshine is to run it through a brita water filter (another fine Canadian thing, btw). After four or five runs through, most of the fusel alcohols have bound to the carbon filter, leaving a fine, smooth, and utterly intoxicating brew…with less capacity for methanol poisoning.
However, kids…don’t try that at home. Methanol is nothing to play with.
Lines
How long does the filter last? How many runs can you get through one little filter?
Can you use any activated charcoal filter? What about dropping a fish filter packet into a jug?
Wow, this sounds like I have a still out on the back 40 somewhere.
demimondian
Hmm. Why don’t you run some experiments, and report back? You could start with samples of vodka and cheap red wine, in order to have a proper control scenario.
You’ll be guaranteed a very long weekend that way…
Horshu
You can do the same thing with vodka. These folks say it tastes better than Ketel One after a few runs: http://www.ohmygoditburns.com
Tim F
Another nice use for vodka – you can put a cheap liter in a mason jar along with a few pears (or other fruit of your choice) and let it steep in the basement for a year or so. It makes spectacular shots as-is, or you can serve it hot like the Swedes do, drink it like tea in the winter and call it glogg.
Mac Buckets
Being “honest” doesn’t preclude wacKO from being wrong all the time. He honestly believes all his lefty kook rhetoric, even the lamest bits of it. Like, for instance, last night, when he subtly mentioned, ohhh, 15 times that it couldn’t POSSIBLY be a coincidence that a “supposed” NY terror alert happens on the same day that rumours of Rove being indicted (yes, rumours are now top-flight news in Keith’s “honest journalist” world) come out. He even mentioned that the Rove tactic wouldn’t work because “we caught them” — arrogance from a man whose greatest contribution to journalism was making fun every week of NASCAR driver Dick Trickle’s name.
Keith was running full whack on this one until his third guest (I guess this point had eluded the first two and wacKO) mentioned that the terror alert sources were the New York regional guys, and that the feds were the ones throwing cold water on the hype. OOOPS! Another conspiracy fairy tale bites the dust! Have no fear, though, tomorrow’s another show, and that third guest won’t be on to douse the next wacKO theory.
h0mi
I’m quite certain that there was a PDB saying “Osama bin Laden determined to strike the US” the last couple of days.
jg
Bush said that the New York people reacted to the information washington gave them. New York may have overreacted but how could this come from New York regional guys when conspirators are being arrested in Iraq? All it took was one guy to say something that made you comfortable and its all swept under the rug for you now huh?
The way you describe Olbelmans show is exactly like how liberals describe anything on Fox or Limbaugh’s show (or CNN lately). If you’re right, are libs right?
SF
Politics as usual:
The vote, which was supposed to be taken in five minutes, lasted more than 40 minutes as GOP leaders searched for the last two votes they needed to get the bill approved. They buttonholed lawmakers for last-minute lobbying as Democrats complained loudly that the vote should be closed. Finally two GOP lawmakers switched from “no” to “yes,” giving the bill’s supporters the margin of victory.
“Is this the House of a Banana Republic?” Rep. Henry Waxman, D-California, shouted at one point, expressing his frustration about the GOP holdup of the final tally.
Mac Buckets
…which is my (and that guest’s) entire point. Notwithstanding arrests, notwithstanding where the original intel originated, the fact is that NY was far hotter on this situation than the feds were. The feds were minimizing, if not outright dismissing, the threat, which doesn’t fit with a Rovian “distraction” scenario very well, does it?
Huh? Dude was not dropping any science on me. I already knew wacKO’s theory was nuts based on the “not credible” statements out of the DHS. I’m just stunned that Keith had one guest out of three on his show with enough brains to explain it to him in small words.
Case by case basis. The person who I find to be as consistantly silly as Keith, ironically, is his arch-nemesis, Loofah O’Reilly. So make of it what you will.
Mac Buckets
Really? He’s “determined?” Why hasn’t anyone alerted me to this news?! “Determined to strike the US” sounds serious — Bush had better declare nationwide martial law immediately, for as long as it takes, until Al Qaeda is totally destroyed!
Com Con
ROFLSHIAC. The way the lefties talk about that Michael Moore movie you’d think that was what they wanted him to do.
ppGaz
No point is too obvious for the Bushmonkeys not to miss it.
The point is not whether a “terror threat alert” is actually a pimped news diversion. The point is that more and more people believe that it is. The point is that people talk rather casually these days about the fact that DHS is a joke.
Why should the news media focus on the true nature of the recent NYC “threat”? The government won’t reveal enough about these things to make that possible. They just act as though citizens should blindly and dumbly be persuaded by stupid color charts and endless strings of “Number Two Terrorist” sightings and other nonsense, that the government knows what it is doing. I think the Bushco Iraq job approval rating right now is running around 32%, which includes the snake handlers, the abortion clinic bombers and the people in the White House itself. The only way Bush could get those numbers lower would be to nominate Saddam Hussein to the Supreme Court.
Credibility In the Toilet
It’s sad when the monkeys can only show the world their butts and laugh about Keith Olbermann to deflect attention from the fact that the world is laughing at their dumbass president.
Com Con
Oh, really? It includes the people in the White House itself? And how, Mr. Smarty Pants Libera, do the pollsters get through to the people in the White House? Have you ever heard of something called a *restricted line*?
ppGaz
The pollsters just hang around outside the gate and draw in the staffers by offering them cigarettes.
Com Con
Have you ever considered that the reason they laugh at your president is because the media here spends so much time making fun of him?
And you think that weren’t laughing at Clinton? I know everyone will be laughing at him after Freeh’s interview on Sunday. It’s too bad they can’t impeach him a second time.
ppGaz
Maybe, until they read the book on Freeh, Dougster. The guy is a walking, talking disaster. He probably set the FBI back 25 years.
That makes them about on a par with Rasputin, I think.
DougJ
Do you think that this Freeh interview, the subway scare, the Miers nomination is all to distract from indictments coming in the Plame investigation? I’ve got to think people are going down next week. If not Rove, then Libby at least. I think it’s become the 800 lb. gorilla in the White House. Which isn’t to be confused with the 190 lb gorilla who runs the White House.
jobiuspublius
What if they were offered salami?
Sojourner
No, they weren’t laughing at Clinton. They were laughing at all the idiots who got so hysterical over a blow job.
demimondian
Oh, my God! The staffers have been let out of the White House! Hide the salami!
ppGaz
Well, as Karl Rove said, “I don’t want to get cotto.”
Mac Buckets
Even accepting your faith-based premise (which I don’t)…So your point is that more and more people are becoming as thick as Keith Olbermann? Or is it that the left is just getting better at duping the gullible into following their line of, for lack of a better word, “thinking?”
Laughing at Olbermann is no fun — he’s an entertainer, just like Rush, and he says shocking things, just like Rush, and he makes a lot of money for doing it, just like Rush. So good for him. I’m laughing at those who take him even the least bit seriously. And Dick Trickle finished 24th.
jobiuspublius
Now, THAT’s a case of salami envy.
ppGaz
Laugh out of the other side of your ass, bucko.
Your guy is the butt of every late night tv joke now. Nobody believes a fucking word he says about anything.
If Bush announced a sunrise tomorrow, there’d be a run on flashlight batteries.
Com Con
That’s what it seems like to me. They’ve convinced Americans that Iraq is going badly, that FEMA (not NagBlanco) screwed up Katrina, and that the budget deficit will destroy our economy (despite the thousands of jobs the economy produces each month). Seems like they’re doing a pretty good job. I guess you can do those things when you control the media.
Mac: did you listen to Rush yesterday about Bush’s speech? *Classic.*
Com Con
That’s what it seems like to me. They’ve convinced Americans that Iraq is going badly, that FEMA (not NagBlanco) screwed up Katrina, and that the budget deficit will destroy our economy (despite the thousands of jobs the economy produces each month). Seems like they’re doing a pretty good job. I guess you can do those things when you control the media.
Mac: did you listen to Rush yesterday about Bush’s speech? *Classic*.
jobiuspublius
This is one guy that you can’t play a game of Hide The Salami with, or whatever it’s called. Here’s another. This guy was desparate for salami, but, he had to settle for gold bathroom fixtures, then a cell and some underwear. But, he did get groomed. These guys are working hard for salami. This guy finally has salami, but only a little. He may be eager to sell. This guy has the most salami in the world, yet, wants everybody’s salami, especially that of the guys working hard for it, should they ever get some.
Here is the complete list of everybody that has salami, had salami, and is suspected of having salami, or whatever it’s called. Good night and good luck.
Jill
Worst pResident Ever.
Baron Elmo
Com Con,
The number of jobs floating around at any given time is a rather useless barometer for accurately measuring the economy… especially since the government uses various shifty means to fudge the count.
Example: a large factory converts 1000 full-time jobs into 1250 part-time jobs, thereby saving themselves a bundle by eliminating benefits or overtime pay for those 1000 workers who now find themselves working 12 to 15 hours less a week. Hard to consider this a windfall for this factory’s working stiffs in any sense of the word… BUT, in the government’s economic tally book, this is celebrated as an addition of 250 new jobs.
He who controls the numbers controls all.
Slide
Laughing is good. Here, have a good laugh:
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Mac Buckets
Yes, just as Clinton was for eight years. It comes with the territory, and I would never get bent out of shape over it. It’s just comedy. And for the record, I have never laughed out of any part of my ass. Nor would I call Bush “my guy.”
I think there’s a ppG impersonator out there. This post sounds a little too…”common” for him, even on his grumpy days.
If I get to listen to the radio at that time, I’m listening to Jim Rome. What was the gist?
Another Jeff
My personal favorite joke about the Miers pick was the one where it was supposed to be a conversation between her and Dick Cheney and she asked Cheney who she should recommend to Bush and Cheney said “just recommend yourself, that’s what I did” or something like that. It’s a little more humorous when it’s told the right way.
Good to see some people up and about on a Saturday morning. I’m just putting in a few hours at the office before I head out to Penn State so i can sit in the rain and watch them lose by two touchdowns to Ohio State.
Hopefully, since it’s a 7:45 kickoff, I’ll be too loaded to care by that point.
Com Con
About how good the speech was. He zeroed right in on the central point the president was making, that the liberals still believe that we can bargain with the terrorists and insurgents, and that’s really what this “anti-war movement” is about. He really sliced and diced them. Also, a very funny reference to Darryl Kagan (his “mistress in Georgia”, he called her).
Jim Rome? I never could take him after that stunt he pulled with Jim Everett.
Mac Buckets
I think you might see a good game (I’m jealous!),although I’d pick OSU if I had to, laying 3 1/2. Rain in Happy Valley would help PSU, you’d think.
The Mac Buckets Three-Star Nickle-Plated Faux Fur Six-Pack of the Week® is Louisville, Oklahoma, Cal, Texas Tech, Houston, and (for our host) West Virginia.
Slide
Com con opines:
Is Rummy part of the anti-war movement?
Damn peaceniks.
Com Con
Sorry, Slide, but the Washington Post has a definite liberal bias. You may as well have told me that Cindy Sheehan was the reporter for the story.
Another Jeff
Love the picks, MacB. I may put a few shackles on Texas Tech and Cal myself.
My biggest worry with Penn State is that they finally have some playmakers with real speed, and in their first big game, the field is gonna be a swamp.
ppGaz
Just expanding on your cite, slide.
Luckily, we’ve had plenty of good discussion on this topic here at BJ, thanks to John’s interest in openly and thoroughly exploring it.
All that churn over the summer about whether Cindy Sheehan used toilet paper at her camp? That nonsense was just to get to get page views. But the many serious Iraq discussions we’ve had here … that’s what we all come for, right?
Mac Buckets
Tech beat Nebraska by 60 last year in Lubbock, and they’re only -4 in Lincoln? I’ve heard of homefield advantages before, but 56 points worth? Are they playing on an ancient Indian burial ground?
Mac Buckets
I successfully hid the salami from him for over 10 years — in fact he never found my salami! I had to openly display my salami to George Bush before that guy would admit that I even possessed the salami. He is no champion of the Hide the Salami game, I can assure you.
Love and Kisses,
Muammar Abu Minyar al-Qaddafi
معمر القذافي
Slide
silly silly Com con said:
ok, then how about Fox news?
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Tim F
How convenient.
CaseyL
Oh, everyone who sees clearly and speaks based on what they clearly see has a “definite liberal bias.”
In order to not have a liberal bias, you have to… well, it’s actually kind of amazing what you have to believe.
Anent Iraq, you have to believe that all statements the Bush Admin made before the war are not only inoperative, but were never actually made.
Plus you have to believe that Iraqis are so grateful for being invaded and occupied, for having their assets seized and handed over to cronies, their country’s treasures looted and its infrastructure and cities destroyed, its citizens’ homes broken into and their families terrorized, their friends and relatives tortured and raped and murdered… that there would never ever have been an insurgency if it wasn’t for peaceniks and liberals saying there should be one.
You also have to believe that the insurgency, while it only exists because of liberals and peaceniks, is also a Good Sign because it means the “flypaper strategy” worked, and all the terrorists in the world are in Iraq. Well, except for the ones in England and Spain and Indonesia and Saudi Arabia and wherever else they pop up.
Yet you also have to believe that the insurgency is not only the liberals’ and peaceniks’ fault, and is not only a Good Sign, but is also so widespread and obdurate that we’ll have to be in Iraq for “five, six, eight, 10, 12 years,” WHILE ALSO believing that the insurgency is in its “last throes.”
And while you’re believing this really impressive catalog of mutually incompatible mishegoss, you also have to believe that the US is ready and able to pull off another military adventure – in Iran, say. Or N Korea. Or Syria. Or all of them.
The mental gymnastics required to not have a liberal bias put the Red Queen and the Mad Hatter to shame.
jg
Well if the president said it then that must be what the anti-war crowd wants. He’s brilliant.
Its amazing that the right wingers will believe anything this man says no matter how stupid it is. And if they don’t want to beieve something they just say the source has a liberal bias. Which, even if true, doesn’t mean the source isn’t providing accurate information but it is a convenient excuse to enaable the ignoring of information that doesn’t agree with your already established (or established in you by Rush) views.
Credibility is important but its not everything. Its hard to listen to a source you know is biased (I can’t stand the voices of anyone on Fox) but the information they are giving might be true and when its also repeated on a ‘credible’ source it can’t and shouldn’t be ignored just because it came from a source your right wing handlers have declared to be liberally biased’.
Am I the only one who thinks the whole ‘liberal bias’ thing is just an excuse for FOX to only pimp the conservative side? Rupert was upset that the news media was constantly reporting things which conflicted with the conservative world view they were trying to instill in the peeps so they invented a ‘fair and balanced’ channel to funnel their BS and push the story that the other guys shouldn’t be listened to. Maybe I’m crazy but saying that the mass media is involved in a conspiracy to keep the american public from hearing the truth rather than that they are just hacks working for ratings seems to me like adding complexity where its not needed.
ppGaz
When ends justify means, mental gymnastics are just the daily warmup exercises.
When ends justify means, anything goes. No evil is too much shit to bear in order to get the desired outcome.
GWB is an EJM president. He is surrounded b EJM people with EJM ideas. The Neocon movement is all about EJM, that’s the whole point.
Com Con
JG, look most of the soliders in Iraq say things there are going well, yet all we hear on CBS, NBC, and ABC is bad news about Iraq. We hear that we’re in a recession even though there’s lots of new jobs being created. We hear that Bush is detached and ignorant although those close to him say that he is hands on and detail-oriented. Even Newsweek admitted this a few months ago. We hear that global warming is a fact, when many scientists consider it to be only a theory. We hear that Saddam had no ties to Al Qaeda although his lieutenants had a secret meeting with Mohammed Otta in Prague. We hear that there no terrorists in Iraq period even though there are clearly thousands now and where do you think they came from. We hear that Harriet Miers isn’t qualified even though she was the first woman head of the Texas bar.
Tell me there’s no liberal bias againi.
Tim F
It’s known as ‘working the refs.’ Football fans would be glad to explain it to you.
They declared after Nixon that they’d do it, they did it and it worked. Hooray for them.
jobiuspublius
I’m sorry my friend, but, we all new your salami, or whatever it’s called, was … for personal use.
jobiuspublius
What? It’s not about salami, or whatever it’s called? BoooooooooRing. Hey, churn is a great place to hide salami, or whatever it’s called.
jobiuspublius
And that’s how you play the game of Hide the Salami, or whatever it’s called. If you can’t stand the stink, stay out of the kitchen.
jobiuspublius
And that’s a great way to Hide the Salami, or whatever it’s called. I new this way before Dean spilled the beans. Now they know we’re on to them. Thx alot Big Dean!
ppGaz
Heh. That’s the salami, any way you slice it.
It’s a whole new deli counter.
rilkefan
Is John off on a bender or something?
Theseus
huh, for a second there, it seemed like you were describing Saddam’s Iraq. But of course, the Iraqis are much worse off under the new Iraqi government and the US. Just like the Iranians are better off with the Mullahs, the North Koreans with lil’ Kim, the Arabians under the Saudis, etc, etc…anything beats the evil Americans, especially if their president at the time happens to be from the ungodly, Sith-like Rethuglicans. What the fuck is a “liberal” these days anyways? No matter how bad the GOP or Bush fucks up, the alternative i.e. the Dems and their minions, are a far scarier and worrysome reality and THAT is bad for America, IMHO.
And of course, there is NO liberal bias, not when about 80-90% of journalists, editors and the likes identify themselves or vote Democrat. No bias at all…these are all professionals you see who don’t allow their worldview, their perceptions of reality to affect how they report “reality” or the TRUTH. No bias at all…
Slide
Hiding the salami?
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Theseus said:
Bingo man. Look how the dems fucked things up the last time they had the predidency:
man those dems can really screw things up.
ppGaz
Ooooh noooh, they were better off before, with the Shah, the murdering thieving dictator (Saddam Hussein in better suits) who dined regularly in the White House East Room, because the US would cornhole anyone in that part of the world who smiled at us and sold us cheap oil.
I mean, that is what it’s all about, right? Isn’t that what turned Saddam from our bought-and-paid-for security guard into “the recincarnation of Hitler”, overnight?
jobiuspublius
You forgot, Hiding the Salami, or whatever it’s called.
Darrell
Iranians worse off under the Shah than under the mullahs? Damn that Shah giving women all those rights. I see ppgaz has been smoking the salami
jg
I don’t watch news for GOOD news, they don’t report that. Its not bias, its ratings. Soldiers don’t leave the Green Zone without a full military convoy (froma soldier over there) but things are going well?
Compared to how many lost? Look into the numbers. I’m sure you have no difficulty believeing that dems will cook the books. Repubs don’t? Ever?
On the record they say that. I would expect them to. Off the record they say they draw short straws to give him bad news. Which is the truth?
Its not a theory. What scientists say that? The world is warmer than it was. The only debate is if we are the cause and that breaks down on party lines because republicans receive campaign donations from the industry that would have to revamp their product lines if its true that WE are the cause. Bias anyone? They say its bunk because they don’t want to have to react to it, not because its a theory.
OMG. Did I just spend time doing this whole reply thing and not realize until now that I’ve been punk’d by a DougJ clone? Meetings in Prague? Is this back? Maybe it hapened in Niger over a serving of yellowcake and tea?
No one said she wasn’t a lawyer or even a good one. Doesn’t mean she is the most deserving of a lifetime appointment debating the meaning of the most revered legal document in our history.
jg
When did it become our place to decide how other people in other countries should live their lives? Actually more to the point, when did it become a concern of REPUBLICANS or CONSERVATIVES?
How many people think the Iraqis are smart enough to realize all our bloviating about the oppression they suffered under Saddam is just bullshit and that we wouldn’t give a shit if they weren’t sitting on an ocean of oil? Perception trumps reality in any and all cases.
ppGaz
Jesus, you are dense, Darrell.
Iran is what it is today precisely because of rejection of the Shah, you stupid moron.
The Shah, a murdering thieving dictator whose dick we sucked on a regular basis. Remember that the next time you hear those Iranians talking about the US as “Satan.” Where do you suppose they got that fucking idea?
Slide
Time for a reality check:
hmmm…. American spreading freedom and democracy circa 1953.
ppGaz
Good work, Slide.
Whenever I hear that “democracy is on the march” in the middle east, I have to decide whether to laugh or cry. The idea is so ludicrous, so completely anathema to everything we did and stood for in the region for half a century … continuing to this day with things like our support for corrupt oligarchies like the royals of Saudi and Kuwait.
The idea that this sick little fuckhead of a president, this Saudi-bung-holing little man, would utter such phrases in public, is enough to kill irony forever.
Slide
Unfortunatly for us, the arab world is much more knowledgeble about our history in the middle east than Americans are. So while the Darrells and Thesues of the world might be impressed with the blather of the administration few with a real knowledge of our past actions are equally deluded. .
DougJ
What part of “freedom is on the march” don’t you America-haters understand?
ppGaz
Well, the “freedom is on the march” part, I think.
“On the march into the crapper thanks to our policies for half a century.” That, I understand.
Slide
The credible part.
jobiuspublius
Does salami, or whatever it’s called, march? And, where to?
ppGaz
Salami is God’s gift to mankind.
DougJ
No one could have anticipated that the salami would be hidden.
jobiuspublius
Specifically, Log Cabin kind.
ROFLAMO
ppGaz
Salami is almost an anagram of malaise.
DougJ
Clinton had *eight years* to find that salami.
I believe the title of the memo was “Salami determined to strike within the United States.”
Veeshir
Allow me to rephrase that
What part of “freedom is on the march” don’t you America-haters understand?
goonie bird
Prove what dirty secrets that KERRY is trying to hide from the public like him trying to pretend he was a gun rights supporter what a fruad
Krista
He found it. And he used it. Often.