Mrs. Irrelevant is looking for another quarter hour of fame:
Cindy Sheehan, the so-called “peace mom” on a crusade to end U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, is publicly blasting Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., for her continued support of the ongoing conflict.
“I think she is a political animal who believes she has to be a war hawk to keep up with the big boys,” Sheehan writes in an open letter. “I would love to support Hillary for president if she would come out against the travesty in Iraq. But I don’t think she can speak out against the occupation, because she supports it. I will not make the mistake of supporting another pro-war Democrat for president again: As I won’t support a pro-war Republican.”
“I believe that the intelligent thing for Democrats to do for 2006 and 2008 would be to come out strongly and correctly against the botched, bungled, illegal, and immoral occupation of Iraq,” Sheehan added.
Such a comedown- from non-stop coverage to a boring piece in World Net Daily. I bet the Jews are to blame.
Consider this our open flame war thread for the day.
M.A.
And she’s wrong about Hillary’s opportunistic support of a stupid and pointless war because….?
I always say the proof is in the pudding. If Sheehan is indeed a crazy harpy, she’s still a crazy harpy who’s right about the biggest issue of our time. Game and match: crazy harpy.
M.A.
One more thing: it occurs to me that the anti-Sheehan stuff is evidence of how the conservatives have become what they claim to hate in liberals: touchy-feely types fixated on feelings. Sheehan’s slightly ditzy and has picked up catchphrases from too many lefty blogs, so she’s evil. People who, unlike Sheehan, are totally wrong about Iraq wear nice suits and talk smart, so they’re OK. Sheehan being right about Iraq counts for a lot more than her saying some mean things about Israel.
Lines
Even a stopped kook is right twice a day? Or since she’s a Gold Star Mom, is she only right once a day?
Seriously, John, your obsession with Sheehan is getting pathetic.
Davebo
I’m sick and tired of constantly reading about Cindy Sheehan (at World Nut Daily and TownHall.com) and to show how disgusted I am I’m going to blog on any irrelevant article quoting her even if it is just in World Nut Daily or Weekly World News.
Jeez John. You should seek some therapy for this problem.
And think about it for a second. With indictments of senior officials possibly looming, a horrible quagmire in Iraq, and Republicans spending like drunken soldiers, you need Sheehan now more than ever.
Heck if Cindy decide to go home and lay low you’d be reduced to whining about blow jobs.
James C.
The lady’s a become a rather pathetic figure, wandering from place to place seeking a little more reflected “glory” from her son’s tragic death. Such people should be shunned, especially as her actions and words have devolved into an angry and often incoherent rant, occasionally admixed with some rather nasty anti-semitic remarks.
Ancient Purple
Yet she is so irrelevant, John Cole makes a stand alone post about her in his blog.
Davebo
Ancient
“A” stand alone post in his blog?
Cole makes four posts in his blog every time Sheehan farts. But of course, he’s sick of hearing about her.
Heck, I’d be sick of hearing myself talk about her that much too.
John Cole
Heh.
jg
Cindy who?
Lines
Delay just had an arrest warrent taken out on him. Ignore that, though, I hear Cindy was caught with French’s Mustard
Rick
She has become Squeaky Fromme to Saddam’s Charles Manson. So folks are out of touch like that. Pity.
Cordially…
Mark
Why are you implying that she’s an anti-semite? Has she ever said anything anti-semitic, or do you just not like her criticism of Israeli policy?
Mr Furious
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
You should be so proud, John. A worthless thread AND a gratuitous pile-on a woman who merely penned a letter to the editor. Yeah, she needs to STFU and go home. What’s she going to do next? Start a blog? The nerve.
Another Jeff
Yeah, John, how dare you? On a day when much more important things are happening, such as Brent Bozell saying that a classic like “The Family Guy” is one of the greatest threats to the American family, how dare you talk about Cindy Sheehan.
Stewie would be ashamed.
neil
Fortunately, there are people like John Cole to make sure that Cindy will always be remembered as a paragon of wrongthink.
kl
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! SHAME ON YOU, JOHN COLE!!!
Steven D
When I was in law school, one of my classmates embarked on a long diatribe in an environmental law class about the social necessity of environmental regulation and the absolute corruption of corporate polluters. After listening to a couple minutes of this, the professor remarked, “Please stop. I’m sorry you’re on my side.” I feel the same way about Ms. Sheehan.
ppGaz
And … the correct thing for her to do would be to encourage Dems to be FOR the fucked-up war, right John?
Which of course has nothing at all to do with the fact that you supported the thing from the get-go, right? I mean, you might — just might- concede that it’s a thing about which reaosnable people might disagree, eh?
If that is so, then WHY THE FUCK don’t you just let people disagree? Is it so important for you to appear to be right about it, and for everyone to agree with you?
If the latter is off the mark, then explain to me what is on the mark.
Bob In Pacifica
One thing more pathetic than a mother continually whining about her son dying in a fraud of a war. It’s a conservative fixation on her.
ppGaz
Oh, my bad, I forgot: It’s not about how you have a war in a country where support is divided at best. It’s about PAGE VIEWS.
OOPS!
Fucking pathetic.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
I think it’s a real shame that America’s Mom is fading off the media radar, because she’s never been needed more than she is right now. Saddam’s trial is about to start, and without Cindy’s clear voice in the media every day, who’s going to stand up for him and make sure he gets a fair trial? Sure, we could rely on Michael Moore, Code Pink, the Workers’ World Party, and Arianna’s coffee klatsch, but would you want to put your fate in their hands?
Face it, we all know that Saddam was a champion of workers’ rights, the environment, and progressive values all down the line and he was arrested by the Chimpy McHitlerburton FOR THE OIL, MAN and right-thinking people everywhere must raise a voice of protest and demand he get a fair trial.
kl
Exactly! Stop preventing people from disagreeing, John Cole!
P.S. FUCK!
Far North
Here’s a suggestion for John Cole. Whenever you discuss Cindy Sheehan on your blog, you should add a disclaimer that says something like:
“Warning, Cindy Sheehan reference. I become unreasonable and am not able to think straight whenever I hear her name. Therefore, anything I write on the subject of Cindy Sheehan is reactionary and unreasonable nonsense.”
The Dread Pundit Bluto
Who wants to bet that Cindy’s letter wasn’t written inside Hillary’s campaign headquarters?
This is just a little too exactly what Hillary needs to obfuscate her liberal politics and pretend to be a centrist.
Paul L.
FLAME ON !!!!!!!!
Cindy Sheehan merely penned a letter to the editor.
WTF Where have you been. Are you really this thick?
Did you miss the campout at Crawford and her “peace” tour? Followed breathfully by the mainstream media until Katrina could be used to Bash Bush.
AP No Longer Finds Sheehan Newsworthy– When She Criticizes Hillary
BTW Cindy Sheehan already posts on http://www.michaelmoore.com.
ppGaz
Hmm. Page views down. Been busy. How to get some churn going.
Ah! A Sheehan article is always good for some noise.
Thus does the blogosphere sink further into the same bog of worthlessness that Usenet became years ago.
HAHAHAHAHACINDYSHEEHANMICHAELMOORE! Har de fucking har!
Who is looking for a “quarter hour of fame” again? Some ass who thinks it’s funny to make fun of a lady who lost her kid in a war!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Somebody wake up Stormy and Rick, they wouldn’t want to miss this fun thread. Just THINK of all the great discussion we can have about the war and stuff.
Otto Man
Yes, yes. Anyone who thinks Dear Leader screwed the pooch with Iraq is clearly anti-Semitic.
And you thought “George Bush hates black people” was stupid?
John S.
And you, Mr. Semirelevant, just gave her five more minutes.
Give yourself and your obsession a pat on the back.
Rick
His obsession is the Schiavo business; Sheehan was the media’s flavor-of-the-season.
Cordially…
rs
Playing the anti-semite card is you at your chickenshit worst.
neil
Good point, ppGaz. The irony of a _blogger_ condemning someone as an unrepentant fame-seeker for _writing something on a website_ was too massive for me to wrap my mind around at first, but you encapsulated it nicely into a dense little pill of stupid.
Steve S
In “True Believer”, Eric Hoffer argued that you can tell what your opponents are afraid of by what they use to attack you.
As much as I really don’t care for Sheehan, it is interesting how much John Cole is afraid of her. So much so that he has to keep attacking her, despite her supposedly being irrelevant.
Tim F
Speaking of odd women who serve as a convenient punching bag for wide swaths of the ideological spectrum…
Stormy70
It’s the J-E-W-S people. Get it right.
Stormy70
Off topic non-flame: How cool was Cleopatra on Rome?! I love that show, now I will have to read all those Rome books everyone raves about. That is all I have until the Chardonnay kicks in.
Josh
I’m sure all the rest of the threads will be safe today now that THIS is the designated flame war thread.
cd6
i love world net daily!
omg omg lol
ppGaz
Sorry, real Americans don’t do irony.
Just one question, though: If she is “Mrs. Irrelevant” then why is there a thread here with her name on it?
She’s relevant because page views are relevant. Savor the moment. With all the shit that’s going on in the world today, “Cindy” is the best he could come up with?
Like I said, pathetic.
jg
Legionaire Pullo is the coolest character on TV right now, hands down. Just about everything he does is hysterical.
Attia’s daughter going lesbo is a nice touch too. I’d rather she was sleeping with some hot slave girl instead of the old broad but its a start.
Cassidy
Does Stormy usually post before or after the chardonnay kicks in? :)
j/k, I’m really not good at the flame thing
skip
“I bet the Jews are to blame. ”
Well, if Michael Ledeen proves to be behind the bogus yellowcake docs, SOME may well be to blame.
After all, one need only look at what country benefits most from dissarray in Iraq. It is POSSIBLE.
It certainly would explain the media’s apparent reluctance to further investigate into the origin of the fraud. Crossing the cabal is a quick way to end up a stringer for GRIT, while being Ken Adelmann is a lifetime media gig no matter how often you are wrong.
But for now, everyone and no one is to blame–except the VP’s office.
ppGaz
After.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
Hey man, like totally. People don’t appreciate Saddam near enough, and thank the Goddess we have MOMS like Cindy singing his praises. Compared the disarray we see in Iraq today thanks to the lies, the fraud, the deception, and Halliburton, Iraq in the good ole days was a model of order, where everybody had a place and everybody was in their place, even if it was a hole in the ground.
Wouldn’t it be great to have that kind of neat and tidy situation in Iraq today>
ppGaz
It would be great not to have buttheads like you around with your faux-funny “ends justify means” horseshit arguments.
Your argument is trash. The United States cannot be an Ends Justify Means country. It’s the worst possible thing you can do to this country. If you’d pay as much attention to doing what’s right in America as you pretend to pay to Iraq, you’d know that and you’d be ashamed of yourself.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
ppGaz, I’m on your side, little dude – let’s stop this Kangaroo Kourt and put Saddam back in his palaces where he belongs. That’s all America’s Mom wants, and I say right on, give peace a chance.
What is the US, the world’s policeman? Hell no, we’re the world’s daddy, the place where third world countries come for their allowance whenever Allah slaps them around. AIDS funding? No problem, we gotcha covered. Tsunami making you all wet? Come on down and get a raincoat. Ethnic cleansing in your neighborhood? We’re the man.
USA: child support payer to the world.
ppGaz
Hmp. Well, color me unconvinced. First of all, you don’t know what “my side” is because I haven’t spelled it out and you haven’t asked.
Second, I can’t make out what you are saying. You lost me.
Send me the decoder ring and a check for $300 and I’ll see what I can do.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
ppGaz, of course I know what side you’re on, there are only two:
1. George W. Bush/Halliburton/Tony Blair/democracy
or
2. Saddam/Cindy/Michael Moore/fascism
You’re not on Bush’s side, are you?
Zifnab
See, I totally wish that were true. Except AIDS funding has been on the GOP chopping block for some time now (after all, it’s a poor black gay-person disease sent down by god to smite the unclean). When it came to Tsunami relief, a pair of ex-Presidents had more air time plugging the effort than the man in office. And remember Darfur? Response time measured in what? Months? Jesus, I mean seriously. We can’t even run our own humanitarian issues efficently – Katrina proved that – and you’re claiming the USA pays child support to the world? If by the world, you mean corporate interests who overcharge and underdeliver. Yeah, the GOP America is all about corporate welfare in the name of charity. But if you think we’re some sort of hand-out nation, you might think you’re in the wrong country. Try Canada or France.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
Saddam was a great humanitarian, wasn’t he?
ppGaz
Listen you piece of crap. I don’t take that kind of shit from anybody. Don’t fucking tell me I’m on the side of Sadda Hussein because I don’t agree with you, you fucking coward.
Zifnab
He’s a damn sight better than Donald Rumsfield.
Zifnab
I mean, to be fair, when it comes down to it you can start raking up the numbers. How many people were executed under Saddam Hussien? How many were killed in armed conflicts involving US soldiers on Iraqi soil?
Who tortured more people? Saddam or the US? Who ran worse rape rooms? Who rigged worse elections? Who antagonized more neighboring countries? Who stepped harder on religious freedoms?
At a certain point you can – given that things continue to progress in Iraq as they have been – ask the question, who was a bigger humanitarian: America or the Bathists. And if America continues to operate rape rooms, murder innocent Iraqis with crossfire, embezzle tax dollars from both countries, and generally fuck things up, the answer could easily come out in favor of the Bathists. I mean, how can they compete? They just weren’t as well trained and well funded.
Bob In Pacifica
I don’t think it’s chardonnay. It’s LeFroig. She starts shrieking “anti-Semite” when she approaches point-five. A little higher and she lays into Palestinians.
And by the way, like not all Americans are particularly happy with our govt and its actions in Iraq, there are a lot of Israelis who aren’t particularly happy with the Likkud and their secret services.
I’d suggest people take a look at THE SECRET WAR AGAINST THE JEWS to speculate on how much the Mossad must have on the current crop of Republicans.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
Hey, there you go, I saw “Fahrenheit 9/11” so I know that Iraq in the time of Saddam was a paradise, where children flew kites in front of the CIA office, nobody went hungry, and nobody ever suffered. And only the mean old nasty USA messed it all up, so we could rape, murder, and torture innoncent, peace-loving, sovereign people.
Right on, Zifnab, you da man.
ppGaz
Unless I missed something, it was John Cole who dragged this Bennett creep in here …. this piece of dirt who wants to peddle the idea that unless you support the lying spin machine in the White House, you are somehow in favor of Saddam Hussein.
John Cole
A.) Bennett is not a creep.
B.) Bennett may be a lot of things (Irascible comes to mind), but he is in no way a Bush apologist.
nyrev
ppGaz, you fall for DougJ’s schtick every single time.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
I’m partial to bush, not to Bush.
Krista
What? How dare he! Now I’m properly outraged.
Richard, your list wasn’t really complete:
1. George W. Bush/Halliburton/Tony Blair/democracy/fuzzy puppies/apple pie/America/babies/God
or
2. Saddam/Cindy/Michael Moore/fascism/sodomy/Satan/ ferrets/haemorrhoids/Barbra Streisand
The Irascible Richard Bennett
What’s the matter with sodomy?
goonie bird
Its a battle between two witches will it be a wizards duel? or is this more of a battle between a pair of old hens with nothing but a lot of clucking?
DougJ
LeFroig? What kind of idiot are you? It’s speeled *Laphroaig*. I can tolerate ignorance of politics but not of something importat like single malt scotch.
kl
I know! People like that should be EXECUTED!!
W.B. Reeves
I think idiotic more appropriate than “irrascible.”
ppGaz
What adjective would you use to describe somebody who equates opposition to George Bush with support of Saddam Hussein?
Far North
Here, Fucking Here….
anon
Far Too Stupid giving stage directions to Saddam before Saddam blows a wad on Far Too Stupid’s face.
Far North
anon,
Get that squirrel between your ears churning on that wheel. You can do better that that.
Kimmitt
Heh, about time someone called Senator Clinton out on her opportunism in the face of dead American servicemen and women.
Krista
ppGaz – I’ve not always agreed with Richard in the past, but I think he’s actually being tongue-in-cheek here…
Stormy70
No kidding. Pullo, my personal hero! Salute. (Salute = Word,in modern tongue.)
Krista
And other things you don’t expect to read at 8am…
I just didn’t think it fit into the first category of “George W. Bush/Halliburton/Tony Blair/democracy/fuzzy puppies/apple pie/America/babies/God” Besides, sodomy enrages the religious right, so I figured it belonged in the second category.
Slide
Reality Check:
1,986 Americans killed in Iraq
15,220 Americans wounded in Iraq
Slide
I hate to admit this but I agree with Stormy. On Rome that is. On everything else she is hopelessly wrong.
Bob In Pacifica
Okay. “Laphroaig.” My bad. It didn’t look right. I can’t afford to drink it. Spelling is important. High standards here.
Tim F
Laphroaig, feh. Tastes like roofing tar to me. Give me a Talisker, or a Highland Park if I’m feeling mellow.
Lines
Just to throw some more flames on the logs:
Michael Chertoff just fingered Brown, claiming “I did not have any problems communicating with local officials (in Louisiana)”.
And the great email of the day: Michael Brown needs time for dinner, ignoring his “man on the ground” that told him the situation was critical and people were going to start dying en masse.
But John Cole is right! He’s fucking right!
Screw it John, you were wrong. Brown made the disaster worse, and your pathetic defense and Sheehan distractions won’t change that fact.
Mr Furious
PaulL-
No, you jackass, I’m not “that thick.” Of course I am familiar with Sheehan and her antics. My point about “merely penned a letter” was why did this rise to the level of JC having to post on it. After all the water under the bridge is she supposed to just go home and cry over a picture of her son because Cole is illogically outraged by her and assclowns like you wish she would?
ppGaz-
I think Bennett is tweaking you. tongue in cheek and all. If I’m wrong, “Fuck You, Bennett!” but I dont think so.
Lines-
Nicely done.
Mac Buckets
So John saying what the left itself is saying, that Sheehan has become yesterday’s news, bestows some sort of relevance on her? I love moonbat logic. I’d just like to request that John say that I am irrelevant, too, so I can be a national “playa.” Also, I’d just like to say that the Starland Vocal Band is irrelevant — uh, oh, now they’re not, because I said their name!
You’re refering to the Jews, right?
The Irascible Richard Bennett
Look, kids, let’s be clear about one thing: America is under one-party rule because the opposition party’s thinking is shaped by people like Sheehan. If you want to loosen Karl Rove’s grip on the levers of power, you need to push Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Jesse Jackson, Arianna Huffington, and other moonbats of the left off the stage.
That’s why it’s important to draw attention to crazy Cindy, especially when she’s attacking one of the few Democrats, Hillary Clinton, who seems to understand what country she’s living in.
Tim F
Ask me how I can tell a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy coming on. You can too, with the proper training.
Kimmitt
Yes, yes, criticism of Israeli policy = hatred of all Jews. That’s why all libertarians who aren’t fond of the kibbutz approach to running an economy are secretly antisemites.
Pfeh.
The Irascible Richard Bennett
There’s nothing secret about it, anybody who criticizes Israel over kibbutzim is an anti-Semite.
(clue: the kibbutz system was a small-scale social experiment that’s already been abandoned.)
W.B. Reeves
Yes, I too recall how the entire leadership of Democratic Party descended on camp Casey to sit at the feet of Saint Sheehan. Kerry’s photo-op with Mother Cindy will rank with the one were he was caught french kissing Jane Fonda on the podium at an anti-Vietnam War Rally.
Of course, like all other right thinking people, I’m aware that Hillary Clinton has been sending Cindy passionate mash notes. Saint Cindy, busily reshaping the Democratic Party in her own image, wouldn’t give Clinton time of day. So Hillary, out of frustration and spite, was determined to get noticed. Ah these Sapphic jealousies!
Complicating matters is the open secret that Mother Sheehan has eclipsed Hillary in her unbridled sway over the minds of the entire Democratic Party leadership. The slavish devotion of the Democratic aparatchiki to Cindy’s charismatic leadership has put her on the fast track for the Presidential nomination in 2008. The only serious debate within the Democratic Party now is whether to declare her Queen of the Universe before or after her electoral victory. Today the Presidency. Tomorrow the universe!
Gee, that was easier than I expected. It only required half a bottle of tequila.
Mac Buckets
No, we all know that Cindy adores the Jews…especially the evil ones in the neo-con PNAC cabal that controls US Middle East policy for the sole benefit of Israel. How could we ever think otherwise?
Paul L.
kl
Why would anybody want to do that?
chefrad
Skip says there may indeed be zionist elements behind pushing for the war, and a head count among the journalist supports that contention. But what is wrong with that? The real issue is whether there is amy disconnect between US and Israeli interests in getting rid of Saddam.
Kimmitt
Well, I don’t know about you, but I’d want US Middle East policy controlled primarily for the benefit of the US. Of course, Sheehan’s off the mark — right now, US Middle East policy is controlled primarily for the benefit of the Iranian regime, but she’s a reasonably bright woman and will get there eventually.
skip
Chefrad says, “The real issue is whether there is any disconnect between US and Israeli interests in getting rid of Saddam.”
Well, I’d say the donnect is obvious. Israel was keen on the US getting into the war but less interested is seeing us win it. After all, a free, democratic and united Iraq would surely still vote to tell Sharon to drop dead. With a divided, fractious Iraq, on the other hand, it wouldn’t matter what the “Iraq” thought about Israel. They’d be busy too busy fighting each other.
To that end we find Mossad operatives active (one dead on Friday) occupied stirring up the Kurds. But you won’t find THAT in any Izzy Asper newspaper,