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  2. 2.

    Slide

    Tim my point exactly. Not even reading her crap. We ALL know where she is coming from. No bite here John.

  3. 3.

    Blue Neponset

    As a typical Lefty I only care what Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and Ward Churchill think. I thought you knew this already John.

  8. 8.

    CaseyL

    Teonsing says Plame wasn’t covert. If she’s still hawking that ancient, multiply-falsified claim, nothing else she says has any value.

    Just another Bush apologist. *Yawn*

  9. 9.

    Shalimar

    Wow. I’m convinced. Nothing to see here, everyone move along, outing a CIA agent and leaking top secret information to reporters isn’t a big deal because it happens all the time and doesn’t violate any laws. One question though. If it wasn’t a big deal and they didn’t do anything wrong, why did Rove and Libby lie to the grand jury about who they talked to and what they said? It seems kind of stupid to commit a felony covering up for nothing.

  10. 10.

    Sojourner

    It’s a secret.

    Let’s keep it that way. Although she and her husband have made a lot of money being Republican hacks.

  11. 11.

    Tim F

    Read the piece. Still don’t care, except for the amusing part where the diehard rightwing author complains about runaway prosecutor victimizing an innocent Executive branch. I think everybody knows what I mean when I say, boo-fucking-hoo.

  14. 14.

    Doug

    No, no, Toensing is merely a lawyer who drafted the spy-leak statute. Not a partisan hack at all, nope. Unbiased expert. Pffth

  17. 17.

    Ancient Purple

    Shorter Toensing: Who cares if a CIA agent was outed by someone in this administration? Now, if it was a Democratic administration, then that is another story.

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    Mark Wilson

    I happen to agree with Victoria Toensing’s point. But don’t take my word for it. Here is a link to a Congressional Research Service report on the Intelligence Identities Protection Act: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21636.pdf.

    Here is a link to the Senate report and other documents: http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/iraq/documents.html#sicrpt.

    Section II on Niger has most of the Joe Wilson discussion: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/sic70904iraqrpt-2.pdf.

    Here is Joe Wilson’s reply to the Senate report: http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/07/con05233.html.

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    ppGaz

    Gee, seems us Saddam-lovin’ lefties don’t feel like being used tonight to gin up some extra page views.

    I dunno, John. Maybe you should try putting up some really great boob shots? Or how about a list of West Virginia’s dirtiest jokes?

    I heard a rumor that you drown kittens.

  21. 21.

    Far North

    I stopped reading the Toensing piece when I got to the part where she writes that Wilson asserted that he went to Niger at the request of Dick Cheney’s office.

    Wilson NEVER said that he was sent to Niger at the request of the VP’s office. For Fuck’s Sake, he has always said that he was sent to Niger by the CIA after the VP’s office questioned the CIA about the yellowcake report. In summary:

    1)VP’s office questions CIA about the yellowcake report
    2)In response to VP office question, CIA sends Wilson to research the alleged purchasing of yellowcake by Saddam from Niger
    3)Wilson reports that it is most assuredly false.

    Why, John Cole, would you link to a story that still maintains that Wilson say Cheney sent him to Niger? It is not a credible story. Go re-read the NY Times piece that he wrote.

    OK kids, one more time. You are entitled to your own opinion. However, you are NOT entitled to your own set of facts. ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! How many more fucking times do we have to read this crap?

  22. 22.

    Ancient Purple

    Dang it, Far North, you beat me to the punch.

    But why not add a bit.

    Mark Wilson says:

    I happen to agree with Victoria Toensing’s point. But don’t take my word for it.

    Okay, Mark. I won’t take your word for it. I won’t take Toensing’s word for it either.

    Perhaps you would care to provide me a link of a quote where Wilson himself states directly that the VP or the Office of the VP requested that he (Wilson) go to Niger to check out the yellow cake story.

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    JC

    Actually John, given the fact that she still repeats the falseness that Wilson went at the request of Cheney’s office –

    why should anyone take the article seriously after that, if this V.T. doesn’t even know enough to keep that history clear?

    Considering the Plame exercise of the summer, you know this – so why link to it?

  29. 29.

    Bob In Pacifica

    Revealing Plame’s identity may or may not have been a violation of the 1982 statute. We’ll see. It seems on its face to be a violation of the Espionage Act. Toensing throughout creates, or at this late date recreates, all the legal strawmen and then knocks them down. I’m not sure why this hack’s vomit is news.

    What I would like to know is if some of these barnacles on the good ship BushCo have any legal liabilities.

    And if the Wilsons sue for damages in civil court, can clowns like Toensing be forced to bring in their notes regarding their relationships with the administration? Now that would be interesting.

  30. 30.

    Paul L.

    Mike S Says:
    What’s the going rate for being another Republican hack?

    It seems that Mike S main argument is to call anyone who disagrees with him a Hack instead of refuting them with logic.

  31. 31.

    Tim F

    The IIPA is a red herring. Fitzgerald has an open brief to investigate any crimes that may have been committed in the course of leaking her identity. It should surprise nobody that Toensig has a major obsession with the IIPA, since she helped draft it and since she’s a close personal friend of many of the folks who stand to be indicted, but it remains a Jackalope dodge.

    Fitz will go ahead with his indictments, and I will eat General Tso’s Chicken for lunck, and the world will generally go on turning in its orbit regardless of the author’s uninformed ruminations.

  32. 32.

    Mark Wilson

    Tim F said: “[Toensig is] a close personal friend of many of the folks who stand to be indicted”.

    Do you have information supporting that assertion? I ask because I have never heard of any such connection.

    As to Far North’s and Ancient Purple’s point on Toensing claiming Joe Wilson said the VP sent him to Niger, Toensing’s article says “On July 6, 2003, the New York Times published an op-ed by former Amb. Joseph Wilson, who not only revealed he had been sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the uranium purchase, but also continued the theme that ran through the unnamed source articles, that the trip was at Vice President Dick Cheney’s request.” This sounds consistent with all known facts (including those in the Senate report, which really is fascinating reading on a number of topics).

    Here’s a link to the original op-ed piece: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

  33. 33.

    Mike S

    It seems that Mike S main argument is to call anyone who disagrees with him a Hack instead of refuting them with logic.

    It seems that Paul L is moving from willing to professional bukkake recipient. Every lie, no matter how many times debunked, is accepted by him. He’s Rupert Murdoch’s dream come true.

  34. 34.

    Steve S

    Actually, I think this is really interesting.

    Toensing is pretty much saying the Whitehouse is guilty, and they ought to be indicted. Despite also making all the typical right-wing spin claims regarding the case.

    That indicates to me that this thing is really serious, that you have right wing flacks now turning their back on the whitehouse.

  35. 35.

    Geek, Esq.

    Wow, funny how Republicans abandon textualism and strict construction when it’s one of their tribe facing legal liability.

  37. 37.

    Josh

    Horton hears a hack.

    Toensing: “On July 6, 2003, the New York Times published an op-ed by former Amb. Joseph Wilson, who not only revealed he had been sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the uranium purchase, but also continued the theme that ran through the unnamed source articles, that the trip was at Vice President Dick Cheney’s request.”

    Let’s look at that Wilson Op-Ed:

    “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990’s. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.”

    Looks like Vicky is lying can’t read. Wilson never said Cheney sent him to Niger. He said that Cheney was asking about the report, and the CIA sent him to Niger.

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