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You are here: Home / Politics / This Will Get The Crowds Riled Up

This Will Get The Crowds Riled Up

by John Cole|  October 19, 20059:12 pm| 37 Comments

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You lefties will like this Victoria Teonsing piece in Human Events online about the Plame affair and the Fitzgerald investigation.

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  1. 1.

    Tim F

    October 19, 2005 at 9:15 pm

    Explain why I should care what Toensig thinks.

  2. 2.

    Slide

    October 19, 2005 at 9:21 pm

    Tim my point exactly. Not even reading her crap. We ALL know where she is coming from. No bite here John.

  3. 3.

    Blue Neponset

    October 19, 2005 at 9:30 pm

    As a typical Lefty I only care what Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, and Ward Churchill think. I thought you knew this already John.

  4. 4.

    JoeTX

    October 19, 2005 at 9:40 pm

    I put my “No Spin” glasses on and followed that link, nothing but a blank webpage….

  5. 5.

    Tim F

    October 19, 2005 at 9:56 pm

    I hear that Ann Coulter is a lawyer too. I wonder what she thinks about the Plame case?

  6. 6.

    Sojourner

    October 19, 2005 at 9:56 pm

    Victoria who?

  7. 7.

    demimondian

    October 19, 2005 at 9:58 pm

    Soj:

    Victoria who?

    It’s a secret.

  8. 8.

    CaseyL

    October 19, 2005 at 10:01 pm

    Teonsing says Plame wasn’t covert. If she’s still hawking that ancient, multiply-falsified claim, nothing else she says has any value.

    Just another Bush apologist. *Yawn*

  9. 9.

    Shalimar

    October 19, 2005 at 10:02 pm

    Wow. I’m convinced. Nothing to see here, everyone move along, outing a CIA agent and leaking top secret information to reporters isn’t a big deal because it happens all the time and doesn’t violate any laws. One question though. If it wasn’t a big deal and they didn’t do anything wrong, why did Rove and Libby lie to the grand jury about who they talked to and what they said? It seems kind of stupid to commit a felony covering up for nothing.

  10. 10.

    Sojourner

    October 19, 2005 at 10:05 pm

    It’s a secret.

    Let’s keep it that way. Although she and her husband have made a lot of money being Republican hacks.

  11. 11.

    Tim F

    October 19, 2005 at 10:07 pm

    Read the piece. Still don’t care, except for the amusing part where the diehard rightwing author complains about runaway prosecutor victimizing an innocent Executive branch. I think everybody knows what I mean when I say, boo-fucking-hoo.

  12. 12.

    yarf

    October 19, 2005 at 10:12 pm

    posted without comment

  13. 13.

    Bruce from Missouri

    October 19, 2005 at 10:33 pm

    Hackety hack hack hack….

  14. 14.

    Doug

    October 19, 2005 at 10:53 pm

    No, no, Toensing is merely a lawyer who drafted the spy-leak statute. Not a partisan hack at all, nope. Unbiased expert. Pffth

  15. 15.

    Andrew J. Lazarus

    October 19, 2005 at 11:08 pm

    Valerie Plame wasn’t covert, and fellatio wasn’t sex.

    A more sophisticated debunking here.

  16. 16.

    Otto Man

    October 19, 2005 at 11:13 pm

    Human Events? You couldn’t find a deranged wino to offer his opinion?

  17. 17.

    Ancient Purple

    October 20, 2005 at 12:01 am

    Shorter Toensing: Who cares if a CIA agent was outed by someone in this administration? Now, if it was a Democratic administration, then that is another story.

  18. 18.

    DougJ

    October 20, 2005 at 12:33 am

    Does Human Events have anything to do with the Human Fund?

  19. 19.

    Mark Wilson

    October 20, 2005 at 1:18 am

    I happen to agree with Victoria Toensing’s point. But don’t take my word for it. Here is a link to a Congressional Research Service report on the Intelligence Identities Protection Act: http://www.fas.org/irp/crs/RS21636.pdf.

    Here is a link to the Senate report and other documents: http://news.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/iraq/documents.html#sicrpt.

    Section II on Niger has most of the Joe Wilson discussion: http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/sic70904iraqrpt-2.pdf.

    Here is Joe Wilson’s reply to the Senate report: http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/07/con05233.html.

  20. 20.

    ppGaz

    October 20, 2005 at 1:19 am

    Gee, seems us Saddam-lovin’ lefties don’t feel like being used tonight to gin up some extra page views.

    I dunno, John. Maybe you should try putting up some really great boob shots? Or how about a list of West Virginia’s dirtiest jokes?

    I heard a rumor that you drown kittens.

  21. 21.

    Far North

    October 20, 2005 at 1:58 am

    I stopped reading the Toensing piece when I got to the part where she writes that Wilson asserted that he went to Niger at the request of Dick Cheney’s office.

    Wilson NEVER said that he was sent to Niger at the request of the VP’s office. For Fuck’s Sake, he has always said that he was sent to Niger by the CIA after the VP’s office questioned the CIA about the yellowcake report. In summary:

    1)VP’s office questions CIA about the yellowcake report
    2)In response to VP office question, CIA sends Wilson to research the alleged purchasing of yellowcake by Saddam from Niger
    3)Wilson reports that it is most assuredly false.

    Why, John Cole, would you link to a story that still maintains that Wilson say Cheney sent him to Niger? It is not a credible story. Go re-read the NY Times piece that he wrote.

    OK kids, one more time. You are entitled to your own opinion. However, you are NOT entitled to your own set of facts. ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! How many more fucking times do we have to read this crap?

  22. 22.

    Ancient Purple

    October 20, 2005 at 2:20 am

    Dang it, Far North, you beat me to the punch.

    But why not add a bit.

    Mark Wilson says:

    I happen to agree with Victoria Toensing’s point. But don’t take my word for it.

    Okay, Mark. I won’t take your word for it. I won’t take Toensing’s word for it either.

    Perhaps you would care to provide me a link of a quote where Wilson himself states directly that the VP or the Office of the VP requested that he (Wilson) go to Niger to check out the yellow cake story.

  23. 23.

    Mike S

    October 20, 2005 at 2:29 am

    What’s the going rate for being another Republican hack?

  24. 24.

    Kimmitt

    October 20, 2005 at 3:07 am

    Ask Totten; I hear the “former liberal” schtick gives you an extra 20% off the top.

  25. 25.

    JC

    October 20, 2005 at 3:37 am

    Actually John, given the fact that she still repeats the falseness that Wilson went at the request of Cheney’s office –

    why should anyone take the article seriously after that, if this V.T. doesn’t even know enough to keep that history clear?

    Considering the Plame exercise of the summer, you know this – so why link to it?

  26. 26.

    Nikki

    October 20, 2005 at 6:22 am

    Wow John. Worst. Attempt. At Riling Up The Masses. Ever.

  27. 27.

    caleb

    October 20, 2005 at 7:04 am

    you are losing your touch.

  28. 28.

    Slide

    October 20, 2005 at 7:37 am

    you are losing your touch.

    he doesn’t care he is soon to be a multi-millionaire.

  29. 29.

    Bob In Pacifica

    October 20, 2005 at 9:08 am

    Revealing Plame’s identity may or may not have been a violation of the 1982 statute. We’ll see. It seems on its face to be a violation of the Espionage Act. Toensing throughout creates, or at this late date recreates, all the legal strawmen and then knocks them down. I’m not sure why this hack’s vomit is news.

    What I would like to know is if some of these barnacles on the good ship BushCo have any legal liabilities.

    And if the Wilsons sue for damages in civil court, can clowns like Toensing be forced to bring in their notes regarding their relationships with the administration? Now that would be interesting.

  30. 30.

    Paul L.

    October 20, 2005 at 9:33 am

    Mike S Says:
    What’s the going rate for being another Republican hack?

    It seems that Mike S main argument is to call anyone who disagrees with him a Hack instead of refuting them with logic.

  31. 31.

    Tim F

    October 20, 2005 at 9:37 am

    The IIPA is a red herring. Fitzgerald has an open brief to investigate any crimes that may have been committed in the course of leaking her identity. It should surprise nobody that Toensig has a major obsession with the IIPA, since she helped draft it and since she’s a close personal friend of many of the folks who stand to be indicted, but it remains a Jackalope dodge.

    Fitz will go ahead with his indictments, and I will eat General Tso’s Chicken for lunck, and the world will generally go on turning in its orbit regardless of the author’s uninformed ruminations.

  32. 32.

    Mark Wilson

    October 20, 2005 at 10:59 am

    Tim F said: “[Toensig is] a close personal friend of many of the folks who stand to be indicted”.

    Do you have information supporting that assertion? I ask because I have never heard of any such connection.

    As to Far North’s and Ancient Purple’s point on Toensing claiming Joe Wilson said the VP sent him to Niger, Toensing’s article says “On July 6, 2003, the New York Times published an op-ed by former Amb. Joseph Wilson, who not only revealed he had been sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the uranium purchase, but also continued the theme that ran through the unnamed source articles, that the trip was at Vice President Dick Cheney’s request.” This sounds consistent with all known facts (including those in the Senate report, which really is fascinating reading on a number of topics).

    Here’s a link to the original op-ed piece: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm

  33. 33.

    Mike S

    October 20, 2005 at 11:42 am

    It seems that Mike S main argument is to call anyone who disagrees with him a Hack instead of refuting them with logic.

    It seems that Paul L is moving from willing to professional bukkake recipient. Every lie, no matter how many times debunked, is accepted by him. He’s Rupert Murdoch’s dream come true.

  34. 34.

    Steve S

    October 20, 2005 at 12:01 pm

    Actually, I think this is really interesting.

    Toensing is pretty much saying the Whitehouse is guilty, and they ought to be indicted. Despite also making all the typical right-wing spin claims regarding the case.

    That indicates to me that this thing is really serious, that you have right wing flacks now turning their back on the whitehouse.

  35. 35.

    Geek, Esq.

    October 20, 2005 at 1:51 pm

    Wow, funny how Republicans abandon textualism and strict construction when it’s one of their tribe facing legal liability.

  36. 36.

    Rick

    October 20, 2005 at 3:59 pm

    More Fitzmas celebrations here. I mean, “celebrations; HAR!!!”

    Cordially…

  37. 37.

    Josh

    October 20, 2005 at 6:59 pm

    Horton hears a hack.

    Toensing: “On July 6, 2003, the New York Times published an op-ed by former Amb. Joseph Wilson, who not only revealed he had been sent to Niger by the CIA to investigate the uranium purchase, but also continued the theme that ran through the unnamed source articles, that the trip was at Vice President Dick Cheney’s request.”

    Let’s look at that Wilson Op-Ed:

    “In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney’s office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990’s. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president’s office.”

    Looks like Vicky is lying can’t read. Wilson never said Cheney sent him to Niger. He said that Cheney was asking about the report, and the CIA sent him to Niger.

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