• Menu
  • Skip to primary navigation
  • Skip to main content
  • Skip to primary sidebar

Before Header

  • About Us
  • Lexicon
  • Contact Us
  • Our Store
  • ↑
  • ↓
  • ←
  • →

Balloon Juice

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity

After roe, women are no longer free.

Everybody saw this coming.

Impressively dumb. Congratulations.

We still have time to mess this up!

Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.

No one could have predicted…

You don’t get to peddle hatred on saturday and offer condolences on sunday.

When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.

Infrastructure week. at last.

Whatever happens next week, the fight doesn’t end.

Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?

You don’t get rid of your umbrella while it’s still raining.

We are aware of all internet traditions.

Our job is not to persuade republicans but to defeat them.

Meanwhile over at truth Social, the former president is busy confessing to crimes.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

I’d try pessimism, but it probably wouldn’t work.

The words do not have to be perfect.

In my day, never was longer.

They are lying in pursuit of an agenda.

Do not shrug your shoulders and accept the normalization of untruths.

It’s time for the GOP to dust off that post-2012 autopsy, completely ignore it, and light the party on fire again.

“woke” is the new caravan.

Mobile Menu

  • Winnable House Races
  • Donate with Venmo, Zelle & PayPal
  • Site Feedback
  • War in Ukraine
  • Submit Photos to On the Road
  • Politics
  • On The Road
  • Open Threads
  • Topics
  • Balloon Juice 2023 Pet Calendar (coming soon)
  • COVID-19 Coronavirus
  • Authors
  • About Us
  • Contact Us
  • Lexicon
  • Our Store
  • Politics
  • Open Threads
  • War in Ukraine
  • Garden Chats
  • On The Road
  • 2021-22 Fundraising!
You are here: Home / Foreign Affairs / Exporting Democracy, Part 2

Exporting Democracy, Part 2

by John Cole|  December 19, 200510:03 am| 19 Comments

This post is in: Foreign Affairs

FacebookTweetEmail

The WaPo picks up where they left off yesterday with their ‘Exporting Democracy’ series with a fine piece by David Finkel. While the whole thing is worth a read, this stuck out:

Just as there are no police here, or courts or government or law, there are also no roads, only smoothed tracks in the dirt and sand, which Rabea and his armed guards drove along until they arrived at a village called Aal Shinnon. It has no electricity, no functioning school, no functioning anything, only an angry man who, when the subject of the United States came up, said, “We’re ready for the Americans. If they come, we will kill them.”

Next stop: a village called Al Muhtoon, where a man said of the United States, “It’s the biggest country in the world, and it doesn’t do much good for the world.” Why, he asked bitterly, doesn’t American money come here? He was standing outside the health clinic, which had bullet holes in the front gate, trash in the courtyard, a padlock on the door and nothing visible inside except a broken scale, a rusted bed frame and a dust-coated sink. A year ago, there was a doctor here, the man said. He stayed for two months, waiting for the government to send equipment and medicine, and when nothing showed up he went away.

How much of the hatred, as witnessed in the Aal Shinnon, is caused by the perception of indifference as witnessed in Al Muhtoon?

Again, the entire series is worth a read (yesterday’s installment is here). Jane at Armies of Liberation, who has some experience with Yemen, comments.

FacebookTweetEmail
Previous Post: « Bush’s Speech, V. 2.0
Next Post: RINO Sightings »

Reader Interactions

19Comments

  1. 1.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 10:21 am

    Hi, just in case your readers are interested in more about Yemen, these are my last two articles in the Yemen Times:

    Yemen’s Criminal Enterprise which discusses the goverments involvement in drug smuggling, gun running, and a variety of crinimal enterprises.

    Journalism in Yemen which discussed how the govt uses the media to attack its critics, and the pressures indepenedent journalists face.

  2. 2.

    John Cole

    December 19, 2005 at 10:26 am

    I don’t know if they are interested (I suspect some will be), but I am. Thanks, Jane.

  3. 3.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 10:29 am

    Just as a side note, the President of Yemen is always stirring up anti-Americanism. He recently said that the US was going to invade Yemen after the Cole but only his strength saved the people. Also at the time top officials said the US blew it up ourselves as an excuse to invade. The official government papers (of our ally President Saleh) continually trash the US and when they want to damage some ones reputation they call him an American stooge. Since I was on al-Jazeera last month (exposing them), they have written numerous (more than 20) articles in the govt papers targeting me by name and calling me a variety of things notably stooge, Zionist, paid operative, ect. (heh)

  4. 4.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 10:30 am

    Thank you John.

  5. 5.

    Lines

    December 19, 2005 at 10:30 am

    Jane,

    I would ask this: How important is Yemen? Should the US be shifting focus to Yemen? What is the strategic context that would bring Yemen to the forefront of discussion and interesting for Americans like myself?

    I’m still trying to digest everything Juan Cole throws at me about Iraq, all the intracacies that existed before we invaded and all the stuff bubbling just below the surface.

    I’ll read your articles, now that I know where to look, but I really need some angle by which I can get really interested and start doing my own research into Yemen.

  6. 6.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 10:45 am

    Yemen is critically important. Its geographically located along a strategic shipping route and controls some straights I forget the name.

    Two its on the verge of state failure: Transparency International, the World Bank, The Meillenium Challenge account, and the Fund for Peace have all analysed Yemen as moving backwards, regressing from transparency, democracy, ect. Its near the top of the list of failing states. (I cover this in my new article which should be up by the end of the week.)

    There’s a consensus in Yemen for democracy, a multiparty system, and equal rights- this was the basis of the unification of North Yemen (15 million people) wiht formerly Marxist South Yemen (3 million people). Currently the regime (President Saleh was President of the North since 1978) is crushing the Southern people in organizaed discrimination, and every one else (seriously) who poses a threat. He is actively opposing democratization and power is centralized in his family which controls all the military and security forces, and the ruling party, the GPC which (like Saddams Baath party) is the only way to be enfranchised.

    The regime is a master of propaganda for the West. Also as one of the articles covers, the al-Qaeda supporters are in the Yemeni military.

    Those who are working for democracy are enemies of the state, and this includes some of the most heroic journalists you could imagine.

    The regime is buddying up to Syria, Iran, and has good trade relations with North Korea, so I think the US is afraid to push too hard and too openly.

    Saleh just got re-nominated for his next 7 year term, which will make him the longest serving dictator in the ME. Theres elections in 2006 but the laws and finances are seriously skewed in favor of the ruling party.

  7. 7.

    Steve S

    December 19, 2005 at 10:49 am

    I wonder if these articles will talk about Qatar or UAE, some of the other nations in that region which are doing well economically, and how governance is different or similar there.

  8. 8.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 10:59 am

    I dont mean to take advantage of another RINOs hospitality but I just got this email, and Ive gotten hundreds from Yemenis;

    hi dear jane…. thanks for accept my massege hope to continou with ur web site and al member untill romval of terrorism from yemen ….. and removal ali saleh and his family from head of goverment in yemen because tjis family supply terrors with many and weapons to go to saudia , aferica, iraq ….ect since in 1991 transfer osama bin laden to sudan across yemen ..and other criminal works in yemen … hope to give facts to all world especialy usa about this criminal family in goverment of yemen……

    So I think the Yemeni people are not scary, the Yemeni government is. But even more so, 56% of the children in Yemen are physically stunted from malnutrition, theres 2 doctors for every 10,000 yemenis, little clean water or electricity, and few schools.

    And the new budget cuts all development and services funds and….raises the military budget by 50% when it was already consuming 25% of total public expenditures. But they promise, really promise, they are going to stop smuggling weapons to the jihaddi side of every conflict in the region.

    Sorry John, but to answer your reader, I really think Yemen is important.

  9. 9.

    Lines

    December 19, 2005 at 11:33 am

    Jane, I’m not trying to challenge your ideas on Yemen’s importance. Its that most of us have never really paid that much attention to it. Other than the Cole bombing (like most of his attempts at humor), Yemen is just another part of the black hole of the Middle East. I’m always open to learn more, especially from people that take the time to do accurate research.

  10. 10.

    John Cole

    December 19, 2005 at 11:45 am

    I dont mean to take advantage of another RINOs hospitality but I just got this email, and Ive gotten hundreds from Yemenis;

    It is an open comments section, and you can post whatever you like, as much as you like.

  11. 11.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 12:06 pm

    Lines, No Im sorry. I didnt mean to imply you were. I just get over excited whenever I find anybody interested in Yemen.

  12. 12.

    tbrosz

    December 19, 2005 at 12:28 pm

    How much of the hatred, as witnessed in the Aal Shinnon, is caused by the perception of indifference as witnessed in Al Muhtoon?

    What, like France can’t build a hospital in Yemen? Why is it our fault? Anyway, what kind of credit are the America-haters around the world giving us for building hospitals in Iraq?

  13. 13.

    Mike S

    December 19, 2005 at 12:58 pm

    Anyway, what kind of credit are the America-haters around the world giving us for building hospitals in Iraq?

    How about a mare apt analogy?
    .

    …At the Navy’s request, Project HOPE–a Virginia-based health education and humanitarian aid organization involved in medical programs in 35 countries on five continents–asked for volunteers. More than 3000 doctors and nurses responded to its nationwide call. Of these, 210 were selected to join their Naval colleagues aboard the Mercy and commit themselves to a 30-day tour away from their jobs, homes and families.

    On Feb. 3, 2005, the Mercy, with her complement of 518 medical and support personnel, arrived at her destination in the Indian Ocean near Banda Aceh, Indonesia, the area hardest hit by the tsunami.

    During the next 40 days, the Mercy’s staff treated more than 9500 patients, ashore and afloat, and performed nearly 20,000 medical procedures, including 285 surgical and operating room cases. The ship’s teams provided water and sanitation, rewired hospital equipment, repaired oxygen tanks, immunized hundreds of men, women and children, and established other public-health measures.

    snip

    Suffering is the “norm” in these very poor regions of the world. They had not qualified for disaster relief because no disaster had struck. But they were lucky that a group of American volunteers had stopped by to help on their way home from the tsunami disaster area.

    There are important lessons for us to learn from this experience. We can reverse the hostility that much of the world feels against America simply by performing such humanitarian acts. According to a BBC poll, almost 70% of the people in Indonesia, the most populous Muslim nation, viewed our country with hostility before the tsunami. Today, according to a poll released by the Heritage Foundation, almost 70% think more favorably of us.

    Listen to what Tamalia Alisjahban, an Indonesian interpreter, said in her “thank you” speech to the ship’s staff as the Mercy departed Banda Aceh:

    “You were first greeted with suspicion, then puzzlement and then great fondness. And nearly all the patients are saying how grateful they are and that we really can’t thank you enough. There’s nothing we could give to you to repay your kindness and care, and it will have to be God who repays you.

    “I don’t know how we can ever thank you. In Indonesia we say terima kasih, which means `accept love.’ Because to thank someone is to give a bit of love. Please do accept our love.”

    link

  14. 14.

    Lines

    December 19, 2005 at 1:04 pm

    Maybe if we build a large wooden badger……

  15. 15.

    TallDave

    December 19, 2005 at 3:17 pm

    The hatred seems to be going away.

    http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007699

    Support for the U.S. is surging in some parts of the Muslim world

    So much for the popularly peddled view that anti-Americanism in the Muslim world is so pervasive and deep-rooted it might take generations to alter. A new poll from Pakistan, a critical front-line in the war on terror, paints a very different picture–by revealing a sea-change in public opinion in recent months.

    Released today, the poll commissioned by the nonprofit organization Terror Free Tomorrow and conducted by Pakistan’s foremost pollsters ACNielsen Pakistan shows that the number of Pakistanis with a favorable opinion of the U.S. doubled to more than 46% at the end of November from 23% in May 2005. Those with very unfavorable views declined to 28% from 48% over the same period. Nor is this swing in public opinion confined to Pakistan. A similar picture is evident in Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation. Again that’s largely because of American generosity in the wake of a natural disaster. A February 2005 poll by Terror Free Tomorrow showed that 65% of Indonesians had a more favorable opinion of the U.S. as a result of American relief to the victims of last December’s tsunami. If these changes in Pakistan and Indonesia influence thinking in other countries, then we could be looking at a broader shift in public sentiment across the Muslim world.
    While support for the U.S. has surged, there’s also been a dramatic drop in support for Osama bin Laden and terrorism. Since May, the percentage of Pakistanis who feel terrorist attacks against civilians are never justified has more than doubled to 73% from less than half, while the minority who still support terrorist attacks has also shrunk significantly. There’s been a similar increase in the number of Pakistanis disapproving of bin Laden, which rose to 41% in November up from only 23% in May.

  16. 16.

    Steve S

    December 19, 2005 at 6:26 pm

    The hatred seems to be going away

    Let me let you in on a little hint. Quoting the WSJ opinion page is about as reliable a source as Pravda. Actually Pravda may have less ideological bias. Seriously it’s that bad.

    That being said, if the poll results are valid it’s good news.

    However, it shouldn’t be used as justification to continue randomly killing people and locking their families up in the Gulag for complaining.

  17. 17.

    Jane

    December 19, 2005 at 8:00 pm

    Zogby had an interesting poll that showed people in the ME are identifying more with their own country, and are more concerned with economics and less with the Palestinians.

  18. 18.

    Bruce Moomaw

    December 19, 2005 at 10:43 pm

    YES! I cannot believe that we didn’t pour vastly more money into earthquake relief for northern Pakistan and Afghanistan — morality aside, if ever there was a God-given (or Satan-given) opportunity to acquire otherwise totally unattainable good will in a region where we desperately need it, that was it.

  19. 19.

    Raidan

    December 19, 2005 at 11:14 pm

    Moreoverabout yemen, the Yemeni regime is spreading what may be labeled as ‘conspiracy theory’ especially in the educational curricula in a subject called “nationalism” which glorifies the regime and blames the economic, political and social backwardness on a Zionist-American conspiracy theory. One which the president quiet often refers to in his public speeches, including the latest incident where he mentioned the US has plans to invade the Yemeni port of Aden.

    Additionally, the government has a new scheme for “rehabilitation” of imprisoned suspects of terrorism as a part of an anti-terror scheme; however, rumours indicate that the government is recruiting these suspects to operate as intelligence officers and to use them as potential ‘hidden hands’ in a similar manner how it used ex-Afghanistan veterans in the 1994 civil war.

    In short, a time-bomb is in the making.

    Rehabilitation scheme: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/4328894.stm

Comments are closed.

Primary Sidebar

Recent Comments

  • WaterGirl on Why won’t What’s-Her-Name mention You-Know-Who? (Mar 31, 2023 @ 12:40pm)
  • citizen dave on Why won’t What’s-Her-Name mention You-Know-Who? (Mar 31, 2023 @ 12:39pm)
  • OverTwistWillie on Why won’t What’s-Her-Name mention You-Know-Who? (Mar 31, 2023 @ 12:39pm)
  • Ruckus on Friday Morning Open Thread: Let. Us. SAVOR! (Mar 31, 2023 @ 12:39pm)
  • lowtechcyclist on Why won’t What’s-Her-Name mention You-Know-Who? (Mar 31, 2023 @ 12:37pm)

Balloon Juice Meetups!

All Meetups
Seattle Meetup coming up on April 4!

🎈Keep Balloon Juice Ad Free

Become a Balloon Juice Patreon
Donate with Venmo, Zelle or PayPal

Fundraising 2023-24

Wis*Dems Supreme Court + SD-8

Balloon Juice Posts

View by Topic
View by Author
View by Month & Year
View by Past Author

Featuring

Medium Cool
Artists in Our Midst
Authors in Our Midst
We All Need A Little Kindness
Classified Documents: A Primer
State & Local Elections Discussion

Calling All Jackals

Site Feedback
Nominate a Rotating Tag
Submit Photos to On the Road
Balloon Juice Mailing List Signup
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Links)
Balloon Juice Anniversary (All Posts)

Twitter / Spoutible

Balloon Juice (Spoutible)
WaterGirl (Spoutible)
TaMara (Spoutible)
John Cole
DougJ (aka NYT Pitchbot)
Betty Cracker
Tom Levenson
TaMara
David Anderson
Major Major Major Major
ActualCitizensUnited

Join the Fight!

Join the Fight Signup Form
All Join the Fight Posts

Balloon Juice Events

5/14  The Apocalypse
5/20  Home Away from Home
5/29  We’re Back, Baby
7/21  Merging!

Balloon Juice for Ukraine

Donate

Site Footer

Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

  • Facebook
  • RSS
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Comment Policy
  • Our Authors
  • Blogroll
  • Our Artists
  • Privacy Policy

Copyright © 2023 Dev Balloon Juice · All Rights Reserved · Powered by BizBudding Inc

Share this ArticleLike this article? Email it to a friend!

Email sent!