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Just a Grieving Mother

by John Cole|  January 25, 20069:37 am| 107 Comments

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I really thought I was over her, having made a clean break and going for weeks without mentioning her name. I quit her cold turkey, and thought I had it beat. But I saw this, and I just can’t resist:

Activists from across the Americas on Tuesday kicked off an anti-globalisation gathering in Caracas with a march against war marked by slogans blasting the United States president and hailing Venezuela and Cuba’s leftist leaders.

Hundreds of Americans took part in the march, including Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a US soldier killed in Iraq, who gained notoriety last year when she camped outside US President George Bush’s ranch to protest the war.

“We need to stop the war in Iraq, we need to bring our troops home immediately,” Sheehan said to rousing cheers from the more than 10 000 people who participated in the demonstration that marks the start of the six-day World Social Forum in Caracas.

“We need to see that George Bush and the rest of them are tried for crimes against humanity,” said Sheehan, who is attending the forum at the invitation of the Venezuelan government.

Many participants professed profound admiration for their host, President Hugo Chavez, seen by many as the standard bearer of the new left in Latin America. Critics however accuse him of using the event to showcase his leftist revolution.

“I admire him for his resolve against my government and its meddling,” Sheehan told Agence France-Presse.

And for added pleasure, and because I am a Sheehan junkie through and through, some more of the good smack to feed your jones- Cindy Sheehan on why ‘matriotism’ is necessary:

This sort of patriotism begins when we enter kindergarten and learn the nationalist “Pledge of Allegiance.” It transcends all sense when we are taught the “Star Spangled Banner,” a hymn to war. In our history classes the genocide of the Native American peoples is glossed over as we learn about the spread of American Imperialism over our continent, though it wasn’t named until the 1840’s, when the doctrine of Manifest Destiny was expounded to justify the USA’s conquest of and “civilizing” of Mexican territories and Native American populations. Manifest Destiny sought to spread the “the boundaries of freedom” to the American Continent, with the notion that we have a special mission from God. Sound familiar?

I am going to try to go clean again once this high wears off.

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  1. 1.

    Dave Ruddell

    January 25, 2006 at 9:58 am

    Admitting that you have a problem is the first step.

  2. 2.

    Stormy70

    January 25, 2006 at 9:59 am

    I purposely did not post this, so as not to enable your Cindy habit. She has such moonbattiness dignity and gravitas. Her rantings are a true joy.

  3. 3.

    Pb

    January 25, 2006 at 10:18 am

    Wow, Stormy on what she has in common with Cindy Sheehan…

  4. 4.

    Krista

    January 25, 2006 at 10:25 am

    John, honey, imagine how boring life would be, though, without Cindy Sheehan, Pat Robertson, Michael Moore, Rick Santorum…what would we have to talk about?

    Besides, you don’t seriously think that Cindy has any real influence over Dems, do you?

    Pat Robertson and the Repubs, on the other hand…

  5. 5.

    Par R

    January 25, 2006 at 10:42 am

    Gentle musings and words of wisdom from “America’s Peace Mom:”

    On America

    “We began the killing as soon as we stepped foot on these shores [of America] and the killing has gone on unabated for over 200 years.”
    “There has always been excuses for wars, but NONE of them have been good or valid.”

    http://tinyurl.com/7rzr3

    “This country is not worth dying for.”

    “America has been killing people on this continent since it was started.”

    “The U.S. government is a morally repugnant system.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=17915

    On 9/11

    “9/11 was Pearl Harbor for the neo-conservatives’ agenda.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=17915

    The Jewish Plot

    “Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel.”

    “My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.”

    “Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11.”

    http://tinyurl.com/8jcbw

    “My first born was killed violently for a neo-con agenda that only benefits a very chosen few in this world.”

    http://tinyurl.com/avwer

    “George Bush and his neo-conservatives killed my son.”

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=17915

  6. 6.

    Paul L.

    January 25, 2006 at 10:57 am

    Besides, you don’t seriously think that Cindy has any real influence over Dems, do you?

    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0508/17/sitroom.02.html
    BEGALA: No. She has a perfect right. She has absolute moral authority. She is a Gold Star mother. She gave her son’s life for her country. And she is the most position — most pristine position to speak about these things.
    Framing Cindy Sheehan – we are making errors

  7. 7.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 10:58 am

    Besides, you don’t seriously think that Cindy has any real influence over Dems, do you?

    Well, the libs at “The Nation” certainly do, naming Sheehan the most valuable lefty citizen of last year. Don’t tell them she doesn’t have influence:

    Cindy Sheehan put the issue of the war back at the forefront of the national agenda, forcing even the dysfunctional White House press corps to start covering dissenters and getting D.C. Democrats to wake up to the reality that the American people had lost faith in the president and his military misadventure.

    But now we’ll get twenty of the Familiar Leftians here posting that Cindy is just a figment of John’s imagination, and how she’s a nobody, and only John cares about her. Obviously, “The Nation” isn’t as quick to divorce themselves from their heroes once they become moonbat liabilities.

  8. 8.

    BIRDZILLA

    January 25, 2006 at 11:10 am

    Another castro bootlicker along with that jerk JIMMY CARTER why don those reptiles including SHEEHAN go live with CHEVEZ if they think he is so great

  9. 9.

    The Other Steve

    January 25, 2006 at 11:18 am

    Well, the libs at “The Nation” certainly do

    Which would assume that The Nation has any real influence over Dems.

    But the fact that Cindy Sheehan doesn’t speak for me is probably the most critical point, and all I care about. I wish you luck in proving otherwise.

  10. 10.

    Fruitbat

    January 25, 2006 at 11:21 am

    I think most Democrats are going to come to regret their initial support of Ms. Sheehan the more she inserts herself into the spotlight for wacky, asinine causes. And this is coming from a Democrat here, someone who thought pretty much as David Letterman did/does when he told Bill O’Reilly that he couldn’t understand how anyone could be unsympathetic to a person like Ms. Sheehan.

    I’m still sympathetic to her loss, and I think protestation of the war in Iraq is a good idea. At the same time, I recognize that she’s….well, the sympathetic part of me wants to say “going a little off,” and the cynical part of me wants to say “no longer a good public figure for anti-war causeniks.” O’Reilly says that she’s being controlled and groomed by radical lefties, and I don’t believe that. I just think she’s revealing more of who she is, and that’s making it difficult for her early supporters to continue to support her causes and still appear rational.

    People reveal more about themselves as time goes on, especially when they have control of the spotlight. And as they reveal more of their motivations and ideals, your approximation of them had better change too. If not, you’re just being stubborn and irrational. Folks on the left should wake up to the fact that maybe she’s not the steadiest horse one could hitch a wagon to. At the same time, those on the right who want to use this as a means to portray all liberals who supported her early cause as idiots had better remember that people aren’t static, and you can never really predict what people will reveal of themselves.

    Just ask any conservative who now regrets his or her vote for Bush.

  11. 11.

    Zifnab

    January 25, 2006 at 11:23 am

    Listen Par R. I’m touched by your big list of quotes and the painstacking effort you went to site them all and I hate to hit you with the big baseball bat of obviousness, but on many of those counts Sheehan is right.

    Yes, the European immigration into America was responsible for the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Native Americans. Yes, American “Manifest Destiny” led us to become just as ruthless and cruel in our expansionist policies as England, France, Germany, or Spain during their colonization periods. Yes, Isreal has a very substantial influence on American policies and politics for a number of reasons. Yes, many people other than Cindy have the belief that war is wrong no matter what the occasion, and in fact pacifism and turning the other cheek is a central CHRISTIAN value that many Americans share. No, comparing Pearl Harbor to 9/11 is not an unfair analogy. And yes, Cindy Sheehan is a liberal. Get over it.

    Seriously, some of you people need to dislodge all of the patriotism you have shoved up your behinds. America may be a christian nation, but it is a far cry from a saintly nation. Our country has sinned before and we will sin again. It’s just worth noting that our sinning gets the sinniest when we’ve got Republicans in office.

  12. 12.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 11:29 am

    Yes, many people other than Cindy have the belief that war is wrong no matter what the occasion, and in fact pacifism and turning the other cheek is a central CHRISTIAN value that many Americans share.

    People who think fighting is always wrong are not called “Christians,” they are called “extinct morons.” Pacifism is the fastest way to absolute tyranny.

  13. 13.

    machs

    January 25, 2006 at 11:50 am

    Mr. Cole:

    Sheehan and Co. are in your ‘general stupidity’ category because they’re all drinking the absinthe Kool-Aid, which has brought early Left-brain hypotrophy.

  14. 14.

    machs

    January 25, 2006 at 11:51 am

    Mr. Cole:

    Sheehan and Co. are in your ‘general stupidity’ category because they’re all drinking the absinthe Kool-Aid, which has brought early Left-brain hypotrophy.

  15. 15.

    Pb

    January 25, 2006 at 12:26 pm

    Mac Buckets Says:

    Pacifism is the fastest way to absolute tyranny.

    No, that also requires a tyrant. However, that’s real classy of you, trying to blame fascism on pacifism.

  16. 16.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 12:36 pm

    No, that also requires a tyrant. However, that’s real classy of you, trying to blame fascism on pacifism.

    I was unaware of the current tyrant shortage. And I never blamed anything on anyone, nor did I mention fascism.

  17. 17.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 12:39 pm

    No, that also requires a tyrant. However, that’s real classy of you, trying to blame fascism on pacifism.

    I was unaware of the current tyrant shortage, thanks. And I never blamed anything on anyone, nor did I mention fascism. If you’re going to invent posts and attribute them to me, kindly make them more interesting.

  18. 18.

    Blue Spider

    January 25, 2006 at 12:40 pm

    I just got one question… which magazine was it that Cindy Sheehan lying prostrate on the grave of her son?

  19. 19.

    Pooh

    January 25, 2006 at 1:13 pm

    14:55…14:56…14:57…

  20. 20.

    Richard Bottoms

    January 25, 2006 at 1:34 pm

    That reminds me, it’s almost President’s day.

    President’s day is the annual occasion where I, a descedent of slaves, get told that keeping human beings in pens better suiting housing horses was just a character flaw in our great founders and should be overlooked in the interest patriotism.

    And every year I explain it is possible to love the Constitution Jefferson wrote, while sincerely hope he, Washington, Franklin and all the rest of their comtempoaries who owned slaves are roasting in Hell because of it.

    On balance America is a great country, best in the world for personal freedoms.

    At the moment.

    Naming the names and acknowledging the times where we weren’t.. or aren’t, is a not unhealthy reminder of where great countries go wrong.

    It helps underscore the seriousness with which to take domestic spying, wanton greed, and inept warfighting of the people in charge.

    Certainly the women and children blown to bloody bits in Pakistan a couple of weeks ago were not beneficieries of America’s goodwill.

    What inted to do as a country and what we actually do is often at odds.

    Within my lifetime this was a very different country to live in:

    August 24: Emmett joins a group of teenagers, seven boys and one girl, to go to Bryant’s Grocery and Meat Market for refreshments to cool off after a long day of picking cotton in the hot sun. Bryant’s Grocery, owned by a white couple, Roy and Carolyn Bryant, sells supplies and candy to a primarily black clientele of sharecroppers and their children. Emmett goes into the store to buy bubble gum. Some of the kids outside the store will later say they heard Emmett whistle at Carolyn Bryant.

    August 28: About 2:30 a.m., Roy Bryant, Carolyn’s husband, and his half brother J. W. Milam, kidnap Emmett Till from Moses Wright’s home. They will later describe brutally beating him, taking him to the edge of the Tallahatchie River, shooting him in the head, fastening a large metal fan used for ginning cotton to his neck with barbed wire, and pushing the body into the river.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/till/

    To quote Ambassador G’Kar, “On Earth there is a group of people for whom the words ‘Never Again’ have special meaning.”

    May I also point out that within my Mother’s lifetime my country, the one so undeserving of criticism stood by while the events that led to that phrase took place entering the war only after we were attacked and years after the ethnic cleansing began.

  21. 21.

    yet another jeff

    January 25, 2006 at 1:34 pm

    There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of a Cindy Sheehan binge.

  22. 22.

    SmilingPolitely

    January 25, 2006 at 1:49 pm

    We can’t stop here! This is Sheehan country!

  23. 23.

    moflicky

    January 25, 2006 at 1:53 pm

    14:55…14:56…14:57…

    well, we’ve been waiting for almost a year now.

    she’d have been long gone if she didn’t have her supporters in the media. you know, the VRWC media?

  24. 24.

    Pooh

    January 25, 2006 at 2:08 pm

    she’d have been long gone if she didn’t have her supporters in the media. you know, the VRWC media?

    Well it’s certainly convenient to trot her out every now and again.

    Michael Moore is fat.

  25. 25.

    Richard Bottoms

    January 25, 2006 at 2:19 pm

    It transcends all sense when we are taught the “Star Spangled Banner,” a hymn to war.

    Umm, what do you think ‘Rocket’s Red Glare’ refers to anyway?

    Fireworks?

    It was a just war, but it was still a war and the song celebrates our fighting it.

    Accepting truth, even from someone you dispise is healthy.

  26. 26.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 2:21 pm

    Welp, I didn’t put this thread here, so don’t blame me for having to say this here …. again:

    Sheehan is a hero, because she stood up. Whether she is funny looking or funny talking or not, she is a hero for the simple reason that she stood up. That makes her a noble American, because standing up to the powerful shitheads is what being an American is about. In fact, it’s really all it’s about, at its core.

    John Cole, on the other hand, who hasn’t stood up for anything wrt to this stupid war since I’ve been here (and I use that phrase deliberately, since — no, John — I am not going to dig through the frigging archives to find out what he said three years ago …) and that makes him … I don’t know what. Haven’t figured it out. But I do know what pointing at Sheehan, who stood up, while avoiding the country’s central issue of our time, makes him something low, I just don’t know the word for it.

    Hero, it ain’t.

  27. 27.

    Krista

    January 25, 2006 at 2:25 pm

    Richard – very well said. Thank you.

    Love – real, true love – whether it’s for your partner, for your children or for your country, does not consist of being blind to faults. It consists of loving fiercely, while still seeing faults and virtues with clear eyes, and inspiring and encouraging that person (or country) to be better.

    America has some incredible virtues: energy, diversity, strength, beauty, willingness to help others, and the basic goodness of its people, and it has had some glorious triumphs. It also has some flaws and has had some very dark moments in history. Both should be acknowledged.

  28. 28.

    Stormy70

    January 25, 2006 at 2:33 pm

    Lots of people stand up who are unmitigated morons. By your reasoning, Pat Robertson is a hero for standing up for God in the public square. She is an anti-semitic commie, but I understand that is not a mark against her in some circles.

    The magazine was Vanity Fair, that notorious right wing mag.

  29. 29.

    srv

    January 25, 2006 at 2:45 pm

    Ah, yes, that socialist Pledge of Allegience to the state… Embraced by the right as it’s own.

    Chavez and Morales really bring out the truth about republicans belief in democracy. Why is it that they hate democracy so much?

  30. 30.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 2:48 pm

    Whether she is funny looking or funny talking or not, she is a hero for the simple reason that she stood up.

    Just like that other “hero,” David Duke? He “stood up,” too. Sheesh, what a microscopic criterion for heroism. For begging for attention, she’s a curiosity, not a hero.

  31. 31.

    Geek, Esq.

    January 25, 2006 at 2:50 pm

    She had me at “occupied New Orleans.”

  32. 32.

    tb

    January 25, 2006 at 2:54 pm

    The Jewish Plot

    “Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel.”

    “My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel.”

    “Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by a George Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11.”

    “My first born was killed violently for a neo-con agenda that only benefits a very chosen few in this world.”

    “George Bush and his neo-conservatives killed my son.”

    Bullshit. This “Jewish plot” interpretation you give is fraudulent. These statements do not make her an anti-semite. If you disagree with her politics, don’t be a pig about it. Be man enough to do it for real reasons.

  33. 33.

    tb

    January 25, 2006 at 3:12 pm

    Wow. Mention Sheehan’s name and it’s like there’s a fire sale at the porn store; the dirtbags come flying out of the woodwork raring to go.

  34. 34.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 3:13 pm

    Lots of people stand up who are unmitigated morons

    It’s the standing up that counts. Nothing else.

    When standing up is only relevant if the actor is attractive, or well spoken, or agrees with you, or belongs to a majority, or has power … then it doesn’t mean anything. We’re not talking about running for office, or winning American Idol, or popularity contests.

    We’re talking about exercising your basic American right, to stand up to the people in power.

    It’s a heroic act all by itself. Without it, America does not exist except in the imagination.

    It’s relevant no matter who makes fun of it, or ridicules it, or smears it, or tries to characterize it. Or for that matter, no matter who tries to usurp it or cash in on it or take advantage of it.

    If Sheehan stands up to George Bush, he isn’t right because he can employ admirers to make fun of her, or get her moved off the road to the ranch, or turned into a blog joke. He’s only right if he’s right.

    Sheehan standing up isn’t about her being Jesus Christ. It’s about him being what he is. The alcoholic, the liar, the inarticulate garbler of words, the double-speaker, the stubborn refuser to see past his own narrow views, the phony “christian,” the fearmonger, the coddler of criminals, the swiftboater of war heroes, the narcissistic fool tilting at the windmill of threats to “his daddy,” the guy who jokes about not finding WMDs, the tool of radical right wing interests, the panderer, the failed businessman who talks big.

    It isn’t possible to defend that piece of dirt, so it is necessary to trash the person who stands up to him.

  35. 35.

    Stormy70

    January 25, 2006 at 3:34 pm

    These statements do not make her an anti-semite.

    When everything boils down to an Israeli/Jewish neocon plot, then yes, it does. Terrorists killed her son, but she is a fan of those guys because they hate Bush as much as she does. She is consumed with hatred of America, and I have zero respect for her. I respect her son, and nothing she can say will ever take it away. She’s just a Moonbat that gets a pass from the left for bashing Bush. Other mothers who lose sons in combat that are pro-Bush won’t get the same accolades from the left. BDS strikes again.

  36. 36.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 3:40 pm

    the swiftboater of war heroes,

    Quote him, would you?

  37. 37.

    demimondian

    January 25, 2006 at 3:45 pm

    When everything boils down to an Israeli/Jewish neocon plot, then yes, it does.

    I hate to agree with Stormy about anything, but she’s absolutely right.

  38. 38.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 3:51 pm

    Quote him, would you?

    Oh, sure. No problem.

    “I am not responsible for anything, unless I decide to take credit for it.”

    That will be the Bush legacy.

  39. 39.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 3:53 pm

    Sorry, I meant:

    “I am not responsible for anything, unless I decide to take credit for it Karl Rove decides that I should take credit for it.”

  40. 40.

    Richard Bottoms

    January 25, 2006 at 3:54 pm

    I can understand her rage.

    Mine boils up now and then, the sight of Colin Powell in the highest reachs of authority mitigating against the stories of a another soldier.

    My father.

    The tale of riding the Jim Crow car back from Washington, D.C. after going there to have his luietenant’s bars pinned in back during World War II.

    Of another soldier.

    Me.

    Looking for a cold one at a small bar in Fayetteville, just outside of Fort Brag, North Carolina. Told we don’t serve niggers here. Somewhere around 1983 I think.

    It’s the duality of loving your country enough to don its uniform to protect even the corn fed hicks who hate you.

    I understand her rage.

  41. 41.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 3:59 pm

    So, ppGaz, when asked for a quote, you just make one up? Is that how it works?

  42. 42.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 3:59 pm

    It’s the duality of loving your country enough to don its uniform to protect even the corn fed hicks who hate you.

    I will never be able — or try — to top that explanation.

  43. 43.

    Richard Bottoms

    January 25, 2006 at 4:05 pm

    Terrorists killed her son, but she is a fan of those guys because they hate Bush as much as she does.

    No, don’t think so.

    Another one of those time where you have to be able to have more that one thought in your head about a subject.

    Here foes:

    – Israel’s right to exist – good

    – Israel’s right to torture prisoners – bad

    – Securing a Democratic state in the Middle East – good

    – Not sending enough troops to do it – bad

    – War to provide a bulwark for Israel’s safety – good

    – Lying about said war becasue we can’t just come right out and say it’s for Israel benefit – bad

    – Tracking down terrorists – good

    – Making terrorists by blowing up their sisters with errant bombs – bad

    – Opposing Iran’s nuclear intentions – good

    – Fighting Iran’s war with Iraq – bad

    – Losing Iran’s war with Iraq – worse

    – Creating a Shiite client state of Iran – Priceless

  44. 44.

    Richard Bottoms

    January 25, 2006 at 4:09 pm

    I will never be able—or try—to top that explanation

    Now you know why Bob Jones University and Chickenhawks bug me so much.

  45. 45.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:09 pm

    So, ppGaz, when asked for a quote, you just make one up? Is that how it works?

    No, here’s how it works:

    You are defending a guy whose “campaign” swiftboated John McCain in the primary of 2000, and then claimed to know nothing about it.

    Whose “party” is busy swiftboating Jack Murtha as we speak, but would claim to know nothing about it.

    You are defending a crass liar who couldn’t wipe the ass of John McCain or Jack Murtha. George Bush gives dirt a bad name.

    In case you are as dumb as I think you are, this is where you are set up to come in here and do a Murtha smear now. That’s how you assholes do it, right? Attacking the character of people who disagree with you, even if they happen to be decorated war veterans?

  46. 46.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 4:11 pm

    So, ppGaz, when asked for a quote, you just make one up? Is that how it works?

    Don’t take ppg literally. When he says Bush is all these things, it’s in a kind of Ted Rall “Here’s what Bush would be like if he was as bad as I can imagine he might be” sense. He’s just being a hero by Speaking Garbage To Power…even if no one’s listening.

  47. 47.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 4:18 pm

    No, here’s how it works:

    You are defending a guy whose “campaign” swiftboated John McCain

    No, he wasn’t. He was asking you to back up your shite rant with facts. You couldn’t do it, so you attacked him.

    That’s obviously how it works.

  48. 48.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:19 pm

    When he says Bush is all these things

    “I” say he is these things? What a sheltered world you must live in, MacFuckits.

    Which of those “things” would you say he is not?

    Which of them would you say don’t represent the majority opinion in this country?

    He’s not an alcoholic? Not a liar? Not a guy who sends his political thugs out to break the legs of opponents? Not a failed businessman? Not a guy who talks up a war because his “enemy” threatened “his daddy?” Not a guy who jokes about WMDs?

    Is that your argument?

  49. 49.

    demimondian

    January 25, 2006 at 4:20 pm

    – Lying about said war becasue we can’t just come right out and say it’s for Israel benefit – bad

    Which war are we talking about here? I don’t see much if any benefit to Israel from the current imbroglio, but I haven’t studied that aspect of things.

  50. 50.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:21 pm

    That’s obviously how it works.

    Nope, here’s how it works:

    Are you going to stand here and tell this blog that Bush knew nothing about the Swiftboating of McCain, Kerry, and Murtha?

    Is that your defense? Please, go ahead and make your case.

    “Well, uh, he says he didn’t.”

    That about it?

  51. 51.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:21 pm

    Which of those “things” would you say he is not?

    The ones that derive from you making up words and putting them in his mouth. How about those?

  52. 52.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:24 pm

    The ones that derive from you making up words and putting them in his mouth. How about those?

    Nothing on my list was made up. You defending that piece of shit?

    The liar? The drunk? The swiftboater? The fear monger? The “Mission Accomplished” guy? The jokes-aboutWMDs guy?

    You defending that guy? What the hell is the matter with you?

  53. 53.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:26 pm

    Are you going to stand here and tell this blog that Bush knew nothing about the Swiftboating of McCain, Kerry, and Murtha?

    I’m going to tell this blog that you are a deranged person. What in the holy hell do Murtha and McCain have to do with swift boats? Further, I have no fucking idea what he knew, and neither do you. But you said he did it, not knew about it, and I’m asking you to prove your assertion. (Bush, btw, is on the record commending Kerry’s service and denouncing all of the 527’s.)

    This is not complicated. Your play.

  54. 54.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:27 pm

    What in the holy hell do Murtha and McCain have to do with swift boats?

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!

    You’re spoofing yourself now, right?

  55. 55.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:28 pm

    Nothing on my list was made up.

    Where did you get this?

    “I am not responsible for anything, unless I decide to take credit for it Karl Rove decides that I should take credit for it.”

  56. 56.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:30 pm

    You’re spoofing yourself now, right?

    No, I’m smacking you around a bit, for being full of shit.

  57. 57.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 4:34 pm

    Are you going to stand here and tell this blog that Bush knew nothing about the Swiftboating of McCain, Kerry, and Murtha?

    Is that your defense?

    I need no defense. You’re the idiot ranting about charges you can’t back up. What’s your defense?

  58. 58.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:36 pm

    No, I’m smacking you around a bit, for being full of shit.

    Yes, of course you are.

    You’re defending an alcoholic, lying, failed businessman who trades on trashing people who have served this country to make himself look better.

    You know it, and I know it, and everybody here knows it.

    So, were you one of those who thought that Bush’s WMD jokes were really funny?

  59. 59.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:38 pm

    No, ppGaz, I’m attacking you for making shit up. Now why don’t you ditch the ad hom, try some honesty and answer my question: Where did you get the quote you attributed to Bush?

  60. 60.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:39 pm

    need no defense. You’re the idiot ranting about charges you can’t back up. What’s your defense?

    Who’s talking about defending you? I’m talking about Bush. Which of my “charges” are you arguing are not true?

    Not an alcoholic? Not a liar? Not the guy who smeared three war veterans for political purposes? Not a failed businessman? Not a guy who talked about threats to “his daddy” while ginning up support for a war? Not a guy who joked about WMDs? You know, while people were dying for them, and all?

    Which ones are not true, again?

  61. 61.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:39 pm

    BTW, ppGaz, I know you’re a liar. Are you also by chance an alcoholic and a failed businessman? Because I see some projection going on here.

  62. 62.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:41 pm

    What’s your defense?

    Strawmen and ad hominem. That’s all he’s got, Mac.

  63. 63.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 4:42 pm

    Oh, and making shit up. I forgot that.

  64. 64.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:42 pm

    Where did you get the quote you attributed to Bush?

    From the same place he got the idea that he could claim he had nothing to do with the smears against McCain, Kerry, and Murtha.

    He says he didn’t do it.

  65. 65.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:44 pm

    You, and Mac, joining forces?

    Jesus. That’s like Tom Delay joining up with Jack Abramoff. Yeah, you two are a pair to draw to.

    Noble defenders of the lying little alcoholic who joked about WMDs and claims he had nothing to do with the attacks on McCain, Kerry and Murtha.

    You two should go on Larry King, really. I mean it.

  66. 66.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 4:48 pm

    You’re defending an alcoholic, lying, failed businessman who trades on trashing people who have served this country to make himself look better.

    You’ve got the Unhinged One on the ropes now, Pablo. He’s now offended that you called him on his unsupportable bullshit. Because, you know, raving leftians are allowed to lie about Bush whenever they want — they’re entitled to it.

  67. 67.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:51 pm

    raving leftians are allowed to lie about Bush whenever they want

    Which “thing” that I said about the little piece of crap is not true?

  68. 68.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 4:52 pm

    Are you also by chance an alcoholic and a failed businessman?

    My god, you are really bad at this.

  69. 69.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 4:57 pm

    Which “thing” that I said about the little piece of crap is not true?

    Like Pablo said, the parts where you made up fake Bush quotes, for starters.

  70. 70.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 5:24 pm

    Yeah, that’s devastating comeback.

    Face it, you dumbshits: You’re defending a disgusting piece of crap.

    And you came down to the ole gratuitous Sheehan thread thinkin you wuz gonna lift a few jars and have a good ole time.

    Sad, isn’t it?

  71. 71.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 5:27 pm

    “I flew fighter jets in Alabama, and I enjoyed it.”
    GWB, MTP, April 2004

    Our hero!

    You people really should be ashamed of yourselves.

  72. 72.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 5:40 pm

    Because, you know, raving leftians are allowed to lie about Bush whenever they want—they’re entitled to it.

    It almost sounds like he thinks that if you’re arguing with him, you must be unpatriotic. Do you get that sense, Mac?

  73. 73.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 5:44 pm

    Face it, you dumbshits: You’re defending a disgusting piece of crap.

    And how is that better than lying about him again? Can I lie about anyone I think is a disgusting piece of crap, too, and then blame everyone for not enabling me, or do you have the copyright on that trick?

    Unless we all jump on Ppg’s lie-train, we’re the ones who are at fault. I never gave much credence to Bush Derangement Syndrome, but on reflection…

  74. 74.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 5:45 pm

    “Pablo and Mac are two of the dumbest people on earth. But thank goodness they are on my side.”

    “Pablo and Mackie …. they’re doin a heckuva job.”

    GWB — From an NSA intercept.

    Two great patriots lookin’ out for their prez. Defendin’ his honor, even!

  75. 75.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 5:48 pm

    And how is that better than lying about him again?

    Count the times I’ve asked you birdbrains, which rotten thing I’ve said about him is not true?

    Count the answers.

    Jesus, you two are pathetic.

    You’re defending the principle butt of all late show jokes in this country.

    You’re defending a White House that is reportedly preparing to be impeached.

    Suck on this, you morons

  76. 76.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 6:04 pm

    Count the times I’ve asked you birdbrains, which rotten thing I’ve said about him is not true?

    Birdbrains? LOLOLOLOL — you are ever so precious!

    Look, Pablo asked you for a Bush “swiftboat” quote (or how about a smear quote on Murtha?), and so far you’ve come up zilch. I’d also call the “fake Christian” bit unproven, but I really don’t care enough. Face it, you got called by Pablo, and you don’t have the cards. A bigger man would retract that bit and move on.

  77. 77.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 6:14 pm

    Face it, you got called by Pablo, and you don’t have the cards. A bigger man would retract that bit and move on.

    Yup. That’s about the size of it. The fact that he won’t says a lot, doesn’t it?

  78. 78.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 6:25 pm

    It almost sounds like he thinks that if you’re arguing with him, you must be unpatriotic. Do you get that sense, Mac?

    Oh heavens no. What could be more patriotic than sticking up for George Bush?

    Oh I know, poking fun at Sheehan …. or having a good old fashioned ballbust with me!

    You guys are awesome! You are taking us all to school.

  79. 79.

    Pooh

    January 25, 2006 at 6:30 pm

    Mac and Pablo,

    Ever hear of John McCain’s black baby, or that he broke under torture? Or Jean Schmidt and Dick Cheney taking a hacksaw to John Murtha’s good name? That is what is meant by “swiftboating”

    Now that we’re getting down to it, make and affirmative case for GWB being the best man for his job. I’ll even grant you to pick only Right-of-Center. What about him? I’m honestly asking, because I honestly don’t understand.

    I’m not really expecting an answer, but have to give you the opportunity.

  80. 80.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 6:31 pm

    The fact that he won’t says a lot, doesn’t it

    ?

    “Damn, these guys are dumb. But I can’t comment on an ongoing ballbust.”

    George Bush, Jan 25 2006

  81. 81.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 6:33 pm

    “What black baby?”

    George Bush, October, 2000

  82. 82.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 6:45 pm

    John Murtha is a fine man, a good man who served our country with distinction

    George W. Bush 11/20/05

  83. 83.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 6:47 pm

    “Pablo is a fine spoof of a rightwing blog commenter, but he’s as dumb as a board. And I oughta know.”

    George W. Bush, 01/23/06

  84. 84.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 6:48 pm

    “Mac Buckets couldn’t find his way out of a paper sack with two hands, a flashlight, and a guide dog.”

    George W. Bush 01/25/06

  85. 85.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 7:04 pm

    Ever hear of John McCain’s black baby, or that he broke under torture? Or Jean Schmidt and Dick Cheney taking a hacksaw to John Murtha’s good name? That is what is meant by “swiftboating”

    Do you have a Bush quote that you wish to offer, or would you like to discuss another subject? Please don’t make one up. ppGaz has that angle well covered.

    Now that we’re getting down to it, make and affirmative case for GWB being the best man for his job.

    What is it we’re getting down to? And why should I argue that Bush is the best man to be POTUS? I don’t argue bullshit.

  86. 86.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 7:06 pm

    ppGaz, that’s kind of sad, buddy. Maybe you should get a puppy or something.

  87. 87.

    Stormy70

    January 25, 2006 at 7:11 pm

    Another one of those time where you have to be able to have more that one thought in your head about a subject.

    Sorry, I don’t play six degrees of “It’s the Jews!” with anyone. We’ve been here before.

  88. 88.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:14 pm

    Yes, Storm. Please don’t make me trot out the Palestine quote again.

  89. 89.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:15 pm

    Maybe you should get a puppy or something.

    George Bush eats puppies.

  90. 90.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:18 pm

    “I eat puppies. My favorites are collies and wiener dogs.”

    George W. Bush, 01/08/06

  91. 91.

    Stormy70

    January 25, 2006 at 7:20 pm

    Yes, trot it out. Hamas is about to win the elections there, and all the little children are dressed in their finest with their toy machine guns. I can’t wait to see how they govern the palestinians. They really are a lovely people. Who cares if they are vile killers, as long as it only affects the jews, right? I realize the left is creeping ever closer to open anti-semitism to parrot their betters in Europe. It’s quite popular in the leftist salons all across Europe, don’t you know. But if you want to side with vicious killers who actually torture and shoot people in the street like dogs, then Truth To Power, dude.

  92. 92.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 7:22 pm

    “Mac Buckets couldn’t find his way out of a paper sack with two hands, a flashlight, and a guide dog.”

    As I said, a bigger man would retract and move on. Ppg, in lieu of supporting quotes or admission of failure, opts to lash out with witless, trite insults to which I would be embarrassed to sign my name. He has no answers, so he just “swiftboats” his detractors — I’m sure the irony is lost on him. It’s just lightweight, minor league cheese.

  93. 93.

    Stormy70

    January 25, 2006 at 7:25 pm

    Of course, Fatah had to shoot their leader for some reason. It might have affected their platform a bit.

    They are doing a heck of a job running their state.

  94. 94.

    Mac Buckets

    January 25, 2006 at 7:28 pm

    Now that we’re getting down to it, make and affirmative case for GWB being the best man for his job.

    Well, he’s over 35, was born a US citizen, and won two Presidential elections. I think those are the only points of interest on the subject.

  95. 95.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:32 pm

    But if you want to side with vicious killers who actually torture and shoot people

    Well, I really don’t want to have that argument again, but come on, the average Palestinian is not going around doing those things, any more than the average American is going around dropping bombs on Iraqi children.

  96. 96.

    Pablo

    January 25, 2006 at 7:36 pm

    ppGaz, Glenn Reynolds eats puppies.

    Everyone knows that, just like they know that John Kerry raped dozens of Vietnamese boys.

    “I raped dozens of Vietnamese boys” – John F. Kerry

    See?

  97. 97.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:38 pm

    Well, he’s over 35, was born a US citizen, and won two Presidential elections. I think those are the only points of interest on the subject.

    Okay, so everything is just fine, then? No mountain of debt? No collapse of federal disaster capacity? No useless war ginned up on wrong information?

    He’s not a liar? Not an alcoholic? Not a failed businessman? He’s not the guy who black-babied McCain, Swiftboated Kerry, and slandered Murtha’s medals? He’s not preparing for an impeachment battle? He isn’t witholding Katrina documents? The majority of Americans don’t think he misled them in the runup to war?

    He didn’t joke about WMDs, lose the focus on OBL, invade Iraq without a plan, disband the only security force that country had and invite an unimpeded insurgency? He didn’t make an ass out himself on the deck of the carrier with his “Mission Acccomplished” tv show? He didn’t invite terrorists to “bring it on” to the country he pretends to be advancing to “freedom?”

    Ya lost me there somewhere. Why do you defend this little prick again?

  98. 98.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:40 pm

    “Pablo means well, but then so does a manatee. But the manatee is smarter.”

    George W. Bush 01/25/06

  99. 99.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:41 pm

    “Gosh, even John Cole won’t defend me any more. What’s up with Mac and Pablo? Didn’t they get the memo?”

    George W. Bush, 01/25/06

  100. 100.

    Par R

    January 25, 2006 at 7:44 pm

    Is ppGaz the anonymous fellow that used to brag about porking sheep by putting their back legs in his boots??

  101. 101.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:49 pm

    “ppGaz is the finest American I know.”

    George W. Bush, 01/25/06

  102. 102.

    ppGaz

    January 25, 2006 at 7:52 pm

    See?

    “Yeah, I see how easy you are, Pablo.”

    Karen Hughes, 01/25/06

  103. 103.

    Richard Bottoms

    January 25, 2006 at 10:14 pm

    Sorry, I don’t play six degrees of “It’s the Jews!” with anyone. We’ve been here before.

    The only Jews I blame for anything are my first two girlfriends for breaking up with me.

  104. 104.

    tb

    January 26, 2006 at 12:04 am

    I hate to agree with Stormy about anything, but she’s absolutely right.

    Then you believe that if you oppose Israel’s policies you’re by definition anti-semitic? That’s what she’s saying.

  105. 105.

    tb

    January 26, 2006 at 12:18 am

    When everything boils down to an Israeli/Jewish neocon plot, then yes, it does [make her an anti-semite].

    It is possible to be opposed to the policies of Israel’s government and also of the American Neo-Conservatives without being anti-semitic. Just like it’s possible to be opposed to the policies of Bill Clinton without being anti-white.

    Anyway, where does she say that “everything” boils down to I/J/N-C plot? Do you have an actual quote or did you make that up?

  106. 106.

    Pablo

    January 26, 2006 at 4:44 am

    Why do you defend this little prick again?

    Because he’s not John Kerry. That’s the important thing.

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