Punchlines that write themselves:
Valerie Plame Wilson, the Central Intelligence Agency covert officer whose name was publicly disclosed three years ago, is shopping a book proposal among a small group of publishers, according to two people familiar with the project.
Both people were granted anonymity because their publishing companies have signed nondisclosure agreements about the content of the proposal.
Get it? Two anonymous sources sort-of-illegally leak that Valerie Plame is shopping around for a book deal. This has publicity stunt written all over it.
Meanwhile, Scooter lost in his recent court wranglings and the Karl Rove deathwatch continues. Fill me in on anything that I missed and of course, this being a Plame thread, hack each other to pieces.
ppGaz
Joe Wilson lied.
Tulkinghorn
… and irony died.
DougJ
Here’s what I think — Valerie Plame never even worked for the CIA. She was a staffer for Hillary Clinton and Richard Clarke set her up with a fake CIA portfolio, then fed this fake info to Scooter Libby and got Matt Cooper to lie and say Karl Rove told him about it. All the while, Mary McCarthy and Drumheller were helping Zarqawi smuggle suitcase nukes into the country, over the porous Mexican borders, which lily-livered lefties refuse to have patrolled.
SavIng
The Press Party looked the same. Clooney(ONE program/Syria Anna), Plame(C.I.A./A.I.D. money), Wilson(Peace Corps Niger/Darfur),and Snow(Coming out party with Press/Darfur). At the same time these were having dinner, Peace Corps bought the ONE program and, later, Bush sends a rep to Darfur. Looks like a grab for some AID money to me. Using Darfur? If everything goes okay no one was…………, but, then again, we may have to buy the book………….
DougJ
And these suitcase nukes are specially designed to detonate whenever someone sings the national anthem in Spanish.
tBone
DougJ – good summary. You forgot to include teh gays in there, though. I’m sure there’s something in their Agenda about this.
SeesThroughIt
Ignore DougJ at your own peril, people. He’s the only one speaking the truth about this matter.
tBone: teh ghey is involved–Hillary Clinton’s a lesbian, remember?
The Other Steve
They were letting the Mexicans in through the back door of our border security.
DougJ
Hillary Clinton’s a lesbian, remember?
Lynne Cheney has gone undercover as a lesbian to infiltrate the suitcase nuke ring.
tBone
Nope, bisexual. Or have you forgotten her torrid affair with Vince Foster?
DougJ
I meant to say Mary Cheney. Lynne Cheney is undercover, too, but her cover is that of a conservative comp lit Ph.D. who writes historical lesbian romance novels.
ppGaz
Plame was not undercover, people. Get a clue.
In fact, she wrote the “Yellowcake Recipe” column in the Arlington, VA Pennysaver for three years.
DougJ
Or have you forgotten her torrid affair with Vince Foster?
But Vince Foster was a woman. They surgically altered his genitalia while they were moving his body.
tBone
I heard about this. A rogue group of Boy Scout leaders, wasn’t it?
Mr Furious
Well, Wilson and Plame had the nerve to show up at that dinner…and laugh at Colbert. Fair game.
tBone
Sounds plausible. There are truly no depths to which the Clintonista Lesbianistas will not sink.
Mr Furious
Don’t worry, Darrell’s got his eye on them.
ppGaz
That’s right, Furious, and Valerie was wearing a shirt that said “The Spy That Shagged Me” with an arrow pointing to Wilson. Obviously THEY weren’t taking anything seriously.
DougJ
And what about the time she ended her performance at the Super Bowl halftime show by exposing her breasts and screaming “I’m a spy for the CIA”? Wardrobe malfunction, my arse.
SeesThroughIt
True indeed. I was gonna correct you to say it should be Clintonista Homonistas, but I don’t think Bill has ever been revealed as having a case of teh ghey.
Punchy
Val Plame is a little hottie…or shall I say, MILF. For a 40-something….I’d tap that.
Here’s to Val Plame in Playboy in Feb 2007. How many Iranians will be all, “Been there, seen that”..?
DougJ
Punch: she already did that racy “Undercover agents of the CIA” calendar.
SeesThroughIt
I dunno…on of the new Iraqi army training chants, as reported by The Daily Show, is:
“I don’t know, but I’ve been told
Eskimo vagina is forbidden by Allah!”
ppGaz
Hey Punch, you don’t work at the White House, do you? ‘Cause apparently when GWB and GWHB get together, they talk mostly about pussy.
According to GWB, I mean.
I am of course talking about Pussy Galore. Do you happen to know, has VP ever used that psuedonym?
tBone
Obviously you didn’t read enough Scaife-funded media in the 1990s, or you would know about the debauched, drug-fueled man-on-man-on-woman-on-squirrel orgies that the Clintons routinely threw in Little Rock. When they weren’t busy murdering people with trains, I mean.
Par R
Where’s the promised thread on Juan Cole, John Cole’s dumber brother? The Hitch-Slapping Juan received yesterday was worthy of a thread.
ppGaz
Sorry to interrupt this WilonPlame laughfest, but just came across this on WaMO and had to paste it here.
Is this or is this not the laugh of the day?
DougJ, et al, seriously, we should give it up. We can never ouot-spoof those fucking Republicans.
tBone
Not to mention her victory in the 1st season of “America’s Next Top Model/Spy.”
tBone
What’s a Hitch-Slapping? Does it have anything to do with Jeff Goldstein?
SeesThroughIt
Hmmm…well, I heard about all of that except for the man-on-man part. I guess I only read the expurgated version.
DougJ
Par R is definitely a spoof. No one could seriously call something a Hitch-Slapping.
SeesThroughIt
I think a Hitch-slapping is when the drunk ornery guy at the end of the bar throws his drink on you.
Paul Wartenberg
Valerie Plame supports the use of artificial turf in baseball! THE FIEND!!!
…what, not provocative enough for ya?
Par R
Hey, DougJ, the folks over at Rathergate sent you the following message: “gloop si ko tursky kooratz!”
DougJ
She was also the mastermind behind the designated hitter rule.
Punchy
I am SO lost. I know not what you speak; you speak in riddles, grasshoppah.
I HAVE heard the phrase “a pussy grenade just exploded” lobbed around. Usually right a bunch of sorority girls swagger by…
ppGaz
Everything I say comes from right wing blogsites.
gratefulcub
Who does she want to know that she is shopping a book?
DougJ
All the information I have about myself is from forged documents.
Ancient Purple
I just shot a watermelon to prove that Valerie Plame killed Vince Foster.
The whole affair was quite seedy.
jaime
I thought they were designed to go off when John Stamos sang the high note in “Lovin You”
Punchy
“Val Plame” rearranged gets you “Veal Palm”.
There’s a crude joke in there, somewhere.
SeesThroughIt
Booooooooo! [throws tomato]
Krista
That is absolutely fantastic. I hope she doesn’t ruin her manicure, grasping at straws like that.
Which is probably a good thing. His taste in women is already dubious enough. If he had decided to swing the other way, we would have to hear tawdry details involving cigars and Horatio Sanz.
Sorry, should I vacate the premises? You lads seem to be having an awful lot of fun, and I don’t want to put a damper on it.
ppGaz
This is from Media Matters this morning:
Gee, haven’t all those things been said right here on Balloon-Juice?
What’s the big deal?
“CNN – the most trusted name in news.”
Par R
ppGaz, do you have any details, such as what day and time his new program will air? Will it only appear on CNN Headline News? Perhaps it might be available in syndication? Any chance of it replacing Olbermann if it gets good ratings on CNN? What about his existing radio show…is it available online?
ppGaz
NO, Par, and I have no idea where you could go to get details about a show on CNN.
Maybe your mother can help you with your homework?
Par R
Talk about incomplete reporting!
ppGaz
Talk about lame spoofing!
ppGaz
In case you thought that you lived in modern, enlightened times, and that superstition, bigotry and organized madness were on the wane … ….
Take heart. Institutionalized sociopathy is not dead.
Brian
If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. Why don’t you put your talents to better use trying to dig up dirt on Beck and get him fired a la Ben Domenech? You’re only good for throwing grenades while the rest of us do the constructive work of running the country.
ppGaz
Heh. Fuck you. Heh heh.
ppGaz
Heh. Heh heh.
Goodbye, Brian. Lame spoofing will get you nowhere here.
jaime
Fusing your lips onto Bush’s package does not constitute “running the country”
Steve
After you’ve already been told once that this line gives you away as an obvious spoof, why do you persist? Get a new gig. You give spoofing a bad name.
Punchy
SNAP! Now that shit was funny.
Otto Man
And here it is.
I guess “Hitch-Slapping” means reprinting private emails, getting the facts 100% wrong, and then drinking yourself into a gin-soaked, pants-pissing hysteria.
Otto Man
You left off the last three words there, Brian. I’m sure you meant this:
Happy to help out.
Brian
Uh-oh….dissention in the Dem ranks. Not good.
Why do you folks always have to stoop to accusing Hitchens of being a “drunk”? Juan Cole did it, you did it, Gaooloway did it….it’s such a pity.
Hitchens took Cole apart, very artfully I think.
Perry Como
Perhaps someone should put a diaper on it instead.
ppGaz
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz………
Man, you are really having a bad time today.
Your day nurse didn’t show up?
Brian
Doesn’t take much to have you resort to your Beavis imitation.
Brian
Can anyone challenge that the above quote is the most constructive thing this guy ever says?
ppGaz
Hey, funny, really.
But in all seriousness, what the fuck is the matter with you?
Waxmaker
Missing my sponge bath makes me cranky too.
ppGaz
I was just trying to be polite to your Butthead imitation, Brian. Gee, aren’t we hostile today?
ppGaz
Best part of the day!
The Other Steve
Wait a minute. Is this covered by the Online Integrity Privacy Pledge?
To the ramparts, men!
The Other Steve
Oh dear. Why that’s just horrible.
Is he Sober?
I approve of Hitchens fine use of vocabulary.
his logic, however, is usually of that of a drunkard with having consumed a barrel of Whisky.
I don’t even know what the falafel is about. I think Juan Cole sometimes has interesting insight. And Hitchens is an expert on Scotch but not much else.
SeesThroughIt
Except for all the dishonesty and the fact that he was wrong about a great many things, including what Cole was actually saying.
Perry Como
When I don’t get my bath, I take it out on the slaves.
Brian
Saw this gem from a vigilant observer of BDS sufferers. Allow me to share:
2004: “Darn you mainstream media, you’re ignoring a US ambassador whose visit to Niger exposed Bush!”
2005: “Darn you mainstream media, you’re ignoring a UK official whose memo to 10 Downing exposed Bush!”
2006: “Darn you mainstream media, you’re ignoring a comedian whose performance at a press roast exposed Bush!”
Diminishing returns for the Angry Left?
ppGaz
Diminishing returns for the
Angry Left?Brian?Faux News
Well it’s ABOUT TIME we heard Cindy Sheehan’s name mentioned here on BJ. Our Dear Leader here on BJ has not mentioned her in a while.
Perhaps Cindy Sheehan was also a CIA spy and will co-author the book with Valerie Plame. Don Surber or Stormy can write the introduction to the book.
Speaking of Vixen News (Stormy) she vanished as soon as Brian began posting here. Coincidence? I think not…
Otto Man
Artfully is the right word. Considering he apparently just made shit up.
ppGaz
Another thing that happened right when Brian started posting here was the price of gasoline shot up 60 cents and is still climbing.
What is up with that? ? ? ? ?
Pb
Brian,
This sounds like a fun game…
2003: “Rice: 16 words dispute ‘enormously overblown'” — http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/13/cnna.wolf.rice/“>CNN
2004: ‘the claim in the “sixteen words” may, after all, have been justified’ — WaPo
2005: “White House clams up on CIA leak” — CNN
2006: “A ‘Concerted Effort’ to Discredit Bush Critic” — Washington Post
So what took them so long to actually
researchreport these incredibly damning revelations? I mean, besides all the election year spinning and shilling… d’oh!Par R
From the comments above it is quite obvious that most of you nitwits never even bothered to read the details on the Hitchens/Cole dustup. Instead, you use the rather quaint but still sometimes effective Stalinist tactic of throwing up a diversionary argument…”but he was drunk”…”he made stuff up”…blah, blah, blah. On his worse day, Hitchens can out write and out think an anti Semitic hack like Juan Cole.
Pb
LOL, Parrot, that was some good spoofing there. Nearly DougJ-worthy.
ppGaz
Are they the Ambiguously Gay Duo I’ve been hearing so much about?
DougJ
I guess “Hitch-Slapping” means reprinting private emails, getting the facts 100% wrong, and then drinking yourself into a gin-soaked, pants-pissing hysteria.
But not necessarily in that order.
Par R
DougJ, no one expects a fool such as yourself to actually do any original research and reading as that is way, way beyond your limited skill set. However, you could at least steal from someone else that has a little on the ball. I gather from other comments here and elsewhere that you and ppGaz go back a long way, presumably predating his current “wife.” Is one of you still a poofter?
ppGaz
We built the Panama Canal together, among other things.
Par R
So you two have been poofing for quite a while then?
ppGaz
Poofing? No, you’re thinking of your old friend who went to beauty school with you.
Otto Man
Not being held back by things like “facts” and “reality” sure do liberate an author. Too bad Cole’s a reality-based historian and he has to do all that stupid “research” and “reading.”
Hitch just lets the gin flow and the words naturally follow. As well as a bit of vomit. But that’s the price of genius, right?
Brian and Parrot have perfectly summed up the right’s attitude to debate: Facts and sound argument simply don’t matter. The level of sucking up to the president, however, does.
Perry Como
PotD.
The wit is biting. Did you catch that? Par R is saying you are gay. Ouch! I mean, how to do you respond to something that harsh? It’s like the ghost of Bill Hicks possesed Par R’s keyboard and went on a rampage of epic proportions. I need a cold drink now. I’m not sure how anyone could recover from an insult like that.
ppGaz
I’m feeling a little verklempt.
DougJ
I actually sold sold arms to ppgaz, back when the United States still considered him an ally.
tBone
Duh. Facts have a well-known liberal bias.
Says the guy who reposts “ppGaz’s Greatest Hits” at least a couple of times a week.
Now that’s funny. Glad you’re getting your sense of humor back, Brian.
Par R
Otto Man says:
That’s laughable on its face. The man claims to speak several Middle Easter languages while he is barely coherent in English. And if you knew even the slightest about Cole’s academic background, you would know that his claimed area of Middle East expertise dates to the early part of the last century and earlier.
ppGaz
I was for you, before I was against you.
And vice versa.
ppGaz
Boy, he sure doesn’t look that old, though.
jg
I read Hitchens article and Juan’s rebuttal. What exactly is the right so happy about? Hitchens was clearly wrong. He completely misrepresented what the discussion he spied on was about. He ripped to shreds an argument no one was making. Its like he was looking for a pretense for an article on how democrats and liberals just do get it and shouldn’t be trusted with our security. Frankly after years of hearing this without seeing anything to back up the assertion I’m getting tired of hearing it.
Whoever said reliogion is the opiate of the masses was full of shit. Republican politics is the opiate. The whole thing is a illusion of the people getting what they want. You don’t like gays getting married we’ll fight for an amendment for you. You don’t like flag burning we’ll fight for an amendment for you. Illegal immigration got you down? How about we craft legislation that’ll make being an illegal a felony? We’re not really solving the problem but we do look busy doing what you think is the common sense solution. A wall? We’ll get right on that. It’ll push the problem off of the land owners onto the owners of beachfront property but we can address that in the next election cycle. Keep in mind please that our policies are sometimes unsuccessful and thats completely the fault of the liberals. They say its because of civil rights or funding or some such nonsense but its actually because they hate america……and our military.
Otto Man
Which is why he is … a historian.
Here’s a fun fact — much of history happened in the past! Some of it, I’m told, even happened in the last century. True! I’ve even heard that there are some historians out there who work on the century before that one! Honestly!
And he’s obviously a poor historian to have received full tenure at a top program like University of Michigan and now receiving recruitment offers from Yale. Clearly, he knows nothing.
Well, not “nothing.” Then he’d be Christopher Hitchens.
Par R
Come on, ppGaz. You may be smarter than that, and hopefully smart enough to actually say something of merit one day. You shouldn’t let the failure of Viagra to relieve your impotence problems get to you so much. Being a big fat bully, just as you were on the school ground all those years ago, is merely an externalization of the failure to come to grips with the plain and simple fact that you can no longer get it up.
ppGaz
{ farting sound }
DougJ
Juan Cole killed Vince Foster.
ppGaz
I’m really more big-boned than fat.
Par R
From ppGaz: { farting sound }
FINALLY, something intelligent from ppGaz.
ppGaz
ppGaz 1 Par 0
Perry Como
This is some serious comedy gold. Now you are gay and have erectile dysfuntion. ppGaz, you are cleary in over your head here. If you aren’t careful Par R may unleash the dreaded “you smell funny” riposte.
For some reason the phrase “rapier twit” comes to mind.
Andrew
Hmmm.
Par R
ppGaz says,
Andrew
Juan Cole is Vince Foster.
Seriously, have you ever seen them in a room together? I think not.
DougJ
You know, a lot of people say Hitchens is a really nice guy in person, that he helps out aspiring journalists a lot and is a great friend. I think he has a serious alcohol problem that is the cause of much of his insanity.
Did you know that he drinks red wine when he eats oysters? A friend of mine bartended at a restaurant he used to frequent (La Colline, near Capital Hill, if you must know). That speaks of a serious problem.
Par R
Merely striving to get down to the level of discourse favored by ppGaz.
ppGaz
So, Par, you are down to just mostly repeating what I say?
In that case, repeat this:
Par is a stupid fuckhead.
Just keep repeating that until we tell you to stop, okay?
Be patient, this may take a while.
ppGaz
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha! Level of discourse!
That’s a good one, Par!
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Hey everybody, Par said “level of discourse!”
Oh sweet Jesus.
tBone
What else do you expect a ParRot to do?
ppGaz
Bawk!
tBone
I have it on good authority that Hillary, Valerie Plame, and Cynthia McKinney consumed 8 bottles of red wine and 6 trays of oysters right before they murdered Terry Schiavo.
Par R
Otto Man (or possibly a six year old child using his pseudonym) writes;
God, how do some of you fools relieve yourselves without help from a nurse? If Otto (or the child) knew even the slightest bit about the on-going controversy surrounding Juan Cole, they would understand that his claimed expertise of what’s happening in the Middle East TODAY is belied by the fact that all of his background/studies/education et.al. are focused on ME matters as they existed about a hundred years ago.
HH
Good to know that Wilson and Plame continue to valiantly run away from the spotlight.
ppGaz
You said “head.”
ppGaz
Catheters, my good man. Catheters. Best invention since the pedal steel.
Brian
She’s not pretty.
In other news, looks like another Dem’s getting the kid glove treatment over at the Capitol building.
Par R
Good old impotent ppGaz is now reduced to sputtering, which will be an improvement over his usual profanity laced dissertations.
ppGaz
Hey Par, can we move past the IKYABWAI “level of discourse?” Some of the kids are starting to get restless.
Did you know that we fed your posts into a special content analyzer and it came back and said “ERROR.”
So you can resubmit your work after you correct that problem. If you need any help, John and Tim are available Friday mornings for tutoring.
jg
Oh Lord!
Otto Man
Oh, that’s a problem? Does that mean we can stop getting lectures from conservatives about how the Founding Fathers would’ve felt two hundred years ago about stem cell research and gay marriage? Because that would be awesome.
Otto Man
I do like Parrot’s attitude. Apparently, if you’re completely and utterly ignorant of history, there’s just no way you can repeat it! Who said there’s something to be learned from past Arabic and Persian contacts with Western occupiers? (Are you sure you’re a parrot? You sound more and more like an ostrich every post.)
And please tell me more about how Juan Cole can’t speak English. He sure seems to have written a lot of books in the language.
SeesThroughIt
Well, if it’s in college, that means it’s anti-America pinko commie propaganda designed to destroy our country and ruin our precious, precious bodily fluids. Also, it’s a little light in the loafers, if you get my drift.
Some Other Brian Guy
Seeing as how Moonbat Brian is being a Moonbat again, I have returned!
FROM THE DRUDGE REPORT!
Republican congressman from New Jersey, Christopher Smith has convened hearings to find out the truth about GERMANY’S WORLD CUP BROTHELS! Yes that’s right boys and girls, a US Congress critter is wasting your tax dollars investigating the Brothel industry of Germany. Close sources to the congressman claim that really he’s just upset that he’s not getting a cut of the pimp proceeds.
Our investigative reporters went out to ask the man on the street to find out there thoughts on this.
One guy inquired as to where Germany was, and why does the US care about them.
Some other brian guy said “World Cup!? World Cup!? What the fuuk is that? And why do I fuuking care?”
jg
More German Brothel news
jaime
My favorite quote
That’s some great journamalism.
This from the man who brought you “Hillary killed Vince Foster, VP pick Dick Gephart, and John Kerry’s intern lover” Also, Fox News’ 6-11pm programming has more viewers than Stephen Colbert’s 11:30pm show on Comedy Central.
ppGaz
Journaliness, isn’t it?
Brian
Sure, a journalist who takes shots at Juan Cole is a “drunk”. But faced with an ACTUAL drunk, a U.S. Congressman, a Kennedy, on business doing the guvment’s work (i.e. tax dollars at work), well…..lookie here, over in Germany, a Republican investigating something!
I wouldn’t piss on you guys if your hearts were on fire.
RunIng
Ace of Spades HQ
Too funny jokes about Plame(aka DEATH SPREE blog)
Cool Facts About: Valerie Plame
– Ace
jg
They both admit they drink why is only one an ACTUAL drunk?
jaime
.
That’s love of Jesus sprouting forth from this good Christian Conservative.
ppGaz
Oh oh! A Brian meltdown!
No more mister nice guy, Brian?
You are so fickle.
Krista
Not to mention illogical. Pissing on a person really wouldn’t help if his or her heart should happen to catch on fire. Unless of the person also had a gaping chest wound, in which case pissing still really wouldn’t do a whole lot for them. And if you cut them open to be able to access the heart…well, then you’ve created a whole host of new problems.
It was a very pithy expression, however.
stickler
I’m having trouble keeping up with the wingnut worldview, but let me see if I’ve got this snippet and its implications right:
Juan Cole: too consumed with fusty old Ottoman reality to understand the neocon nuances of today’s solid-state realities.
Sooo… if that’s the rule, then all historians should butt out of current events?
Because I’d bet they don’t say that about Victor Davis Hanson.
ppGaz
It’s awful when he gets in a pithy mood like this.
Brian
Hahahaha! Yeah, what’s the difference? Silly me. Kennedy was behind the wheel of a car (i.e. deadly weapon when out of control), and may have been in a similar incident a couple weeks ago in Rhode Island. No difference at all.
Remember Chappaquiddick, lest it happen again.
jaime
At least he didn’t shoot anybody in the face.
ppGaz
In Chappaquiddick somebody (probably not Kennedy, according to a recent analysis of the case) drove a car off a bridge in the dark.
In today’s world, the government is driving the country off a cliff.
You’re right, we should try to prevent that from happening. Let’s get of the alcoholic little prick in the White House before it’s too late.
Steve
Patrick Kennedy is a drunk driver, but if you think Cheney had more than a beer at lunch you’re a crazy moonbat.
ppGaz
Well Steve, as you know, the Kennedys are the main cause of drunk driving in this country.
Broken
Now, now, expertise in the Peloponnesian War is crucial to understanding today’s world.
Steve
Michelle Malkin has the Kennedy accident all over the front page, complete with reader analysis of a police report, etc., etc. Wonder what she had to say about the Cheney incident?
Ack! Even when it was about Cheney, it was really about the Kennedys!
For the record: I think it’s pretty obvious Kennedy was drunk. I think he’s lucky no one was hurt. And I don’t think the police do him any favors – let alone do their job – when they just let him walk away without a breathalyzer. If he kills someone in a drunk driving accident a month from now, how will those cops feel?
But it bothers me that there are so many people who felt it was totally improper to ask any questions of Cheney, who had no issue with the fact that the cops were turned away until the next day, and thought it was nobody’s business whether the Vice-President was drunk when he accidentally shot a man in the face.
I really hate this game of “I guess we can agree to disagree about whether MY guy did anything wrong, but surely we all agree that YOUR guy was wrong, right?” It’s no fun to play, and it’s no fun to always be the patsy, either.
Par R
How’s the poof game coming along ppGaz?
Darrell
Worse than his drunk driving was Patrick Kennedy getting off on his involvement in the rape that girl Easter day, or good Friday (can’t remember which) in Palm Beach some years back. Good ol Ted obstructed the police and lied his ass off to them to help get his boy off. What a family
Par R
ppGaz shamelessly writes:
Now that takes some real hutzpah to claim that the victim, Mary Jo who died, was driving the car….a claim that not even Teddy has ever made. Talk about slime and sleaze and the name of ppGaz immediately comes to mind.
jaime
That was William Kennedy Smith you stupid fuck.
And he was acquitted.
ppGaz
Not really. It isn’t my claim, it’s the claim of Bill Kurtis, the investigative reporter who analyzed the case.
It’s the only solution that fits all the evidence; Kennedy lied about being in the car when it went off the bridge.
If you don’t like the analysis, take it up with Kurtis.
ppGaz
I wouldn’t know, I can’t decode your spoofy words.
Maybe Brian can help you.
jaime
They made their fortunes off of 8 million dead Jews just like the Bushes.
jaime
All this makes a perfect distraction because what’s REALLY important was that a liberal may have been driving drunk.
Pay no attention to the Republican-run Federal Government being damaged almost beyond repair.
Par R
jaime, the shithead without a brain, has written:
What is left to say about a piece of presumably human flotsam that can put such thoughts down in black and white pixels? A deeply offensive charge is made, a charge that every Jew in the country would be ashamed to read, and the shithead that typed it moves on to his next assault on the enemy that haunts his fevered brain.
ppGaz
Buy yourself a copy of the report, Par, and let us know what you think.
Like I said, it’s the only solution that fits all of the evidence. And it makes perfect sense. Kennedy made up the story about being in the car because he feared being seen as a cad for leaving the inebriated passenger to drive herself back to her overnight place. The most likely true story is that he got out of the car and walked back to his hotel where he was seen a short time later, dry, relaxed and unruffled, just after the car would have gone into the water. Next morning, learning of the accident, he and his buddies cooked up the story we all know now.
ppGaz
Wow, you are really a piece of work, aren’t ya?
jaime
Fuck you, scumbag. Read your history.
Ancient Purple
Can I just interject here that I am thinking of a prison shower scene?
Thanks.
Par R
ppGaz, I repeat, Senator Ted Kennedy has through his office dismissed the so-called report as “speculative nonsense.”
Do you even have a functioning brain? I am about convinced that you do not. You obviously have never seen the extensive coverage accorded the incident when it happened, nor the national television address that Kennedy gave after a couple of closed door sessions with old Kennedy hands, including, Ted Sorenson who wrote much of the speech. You also obviously missed out on the court sessions when Kennedy and other parties testified under oath as to what happened.
ppGaz
Me too!
It’s a women’s prison, though ……
ppGaz
Yeah, that proves it, doesn’t it?
Of course he denied it. That was the whole point of the made-up story at the time.
Like I said, watch the report. The solution is the only one I’ve seen that fits all the evidence. Draw your own conclusions. Kurtis is an awesome reporter, and you are a fucked up blog spoofer on crack … so who do you think I should believe? Him, or you?
You get the idea.
Krista
Ancient – nicely done. There’s that flair for the inappropriate that adds that welcome soupçon of inanity to any thread.
jaime
I’m thinking about Phoebe Cates in “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”
Par R
ppGaz says:
What logic. Let’s see if I get this…he denies it’s true because it was true. Hmmm.
Since you feel that Kurtis is such a great investigative reporter, can I assume that you agree with one of his reports in the late 1990s in which he basically confirmed that Clinton had indeed raped Juanita Broderick. I, for one, don’t believe EITHER of his reports.
ppGaz
Like I said, dumbfuck, watch the report, and if you don’t like it, take it up with Kurtis.
ppGaz
(1) haven’t seen it and (2) don’t care.
ppGaz
No, you unbelievably stupid thickheaded lout, he denies it because he advanced a false account of the event and doesn’t want to admit it.
Par R
ppGaz tries to throw us all off track in his post here:
ppGaz
Only the stupid are in danger, Par.
Oh …. that’s you. Sorry. Disregard the shower scene post.
Par R
ppGaz, you appear to be one of those poorly educated pieces of trash that are envious of those who have a better life than you…and I suspect that probably includes most of the other residents of Phoenix. Do you have a job, or are you one of the permanent members of the welfare underclass?
ppGaz
You’re back to this dumb routine again?
Visit my url. Everything you want to know is right there.
Perry Como
Gay, impotent and poor. Keep up the good work in elevating the discourse.
Par R
Merely trying to achieve that same level of discourse as established by such nitwits as ppGaz. If needed, I could repost that lengthy list put together by Brian of ppGaz quotes as a reminder for you, Perry….
Krista
Place your bets. Is the next gem from Par going to be:
a. ppGaz smells funny
b. ppGaz looks funny
OR
c. ppGaz talks funny
Betting closes in 10 minutes.
Ancient Purple
After thinking it over from yesterday, I would have to state for a fact that men’s nipple are not useless.
Just saying.
ppGaz
Oh no need, got it right here.
Par R
Wrong, Krista.
ppGaz is not as funny, smelly and talky as good old Krista.
Krista
Aw…thanks, Par. I was starting to feel rather neglected, really.
Ancient Purple – well, if nothing else, they do break up the expanse of chest rather nicely.
Par R
ppGaz, I must admit that you’ve got a rather fine set of quotes there. Next time your family gets together, why don’t you sit them all down and slowly read the list to them. I’m sure that they will be impressed with your rather large vocabulary of profanity and other twaddle…just as we all are.
demimondian
How is that different from other inappropriate shower scenes?
Par R
Now, THAT’S funny.
stickler
You know, I think the problems all started when somebody first read Jeff “Eats Paste” Goldstein. Something about that guy’s website just throws off stupid rays like a sort of Stupid Quasar.
And it’s clearly damaged some folks, like Brian and ParrRr.
I’m going to go for a nice walk in the evening sun and let this thread mellow for a while. Maybe the stupid radiation will subside.
Ancient Purple
I think I want to by Krista lunch and chat about prison scenes and men’s nipples. Canadians seem a lot less uptight about such talk.
Perry Como
It seems to show up every other thread anyway. All I’m saying is that since the job of everyone here is to amuse me, you should really come up with better mud slinging than “you smell like doody.”
ppGaz
Good idea.
ppGaz
As well they should, eh?
Some Other Brian Guy
It’s worse than that.
The Kennedy family supports the use of artificial turf in baseball! As well as the designated hitter rule.
demimondian
As well as appropriately inappropriate times to mention prison shower scenes!
Ancient Purple
I wonder if Marilyn found JFK’s nipple useless.
demimondian
You know, that’s the first time I’d heard Kerry’s name tied to Marilyn Manson. Have you got more than one source for that?
Ancient Purple
Ha! I clearly meant Marilyn Chambers and J. Frankel Klopnerts.
I think that was fairly obvious.
ppGaz
How long must our gender be treated as sex objects?
Some Other Brian Guy
Interesting…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12634639/
So Kennedy is claiming he had taken a sleeping pill of some sort in combination with an anti-nauseua drug. He claims he had no alcohol.
It’s interesting how Brian leaped to the conclusion that the guy was a drunk, just because he appeared disoriented. No mention at all from police witnesses if they smelled alcohol on him, and believe me if he was staggering noticeably you’d smell booze.
And then Darrell comes in here accusing the guy of rape.
What’s next? He’s Adolf Hitler’s step child?
Sheesh, fucking moonbats.
CaseyL
I think someone already pointed out to Mr. Potato Head that it was William Kennedy who was acquitted of rape, not Patrick Kennedy.
ppGaz, flay me for being lazy and not watching it for myself, but did Kurtis advance a theory as to why EMK would lie and say he was driving the car when he wasn’t? Because it makes no sense to take the blame for something he didn’t do. Even if Kopechne was driving because he was too drunk, that makes him look less culpable, not more so.
The Other Steve
In other news…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12623085/
I do have to agree that I find anything Cheney says to be incomphrensible. That being said, I don’t necessarily disagree that Russia has been backsliding slightly.
On the other hand, much of what he accused Russia of, the US is guilty of as well. Which saddens me.
The Other Steve
I believe the initial claim was because in that time and day it would have seemed rather ungentlemenly to allow a woman to drive home by herself.
I don’t necessarily buy the story. It’s quite possible that Ted kennedy was involved in a driving accident.
That being said, it’s moonbattery at it’s finest to continue to bring it up to this day as an indictment against Kennedy. Laura Bush killed someone in a car accident in her youth as well. It’s quite a horrible experience for someone to know their carelessness resulted in the death of another, and to continue to bring that up 30, 40, 50 years in the future… I mean come on, that’s just petty.
And I like Ted Kennedy about as much as I like Laura Bush.
The Other Steve
I want to hear more stories about Marilyn Chambers, nipples, and shower scenes.
ppGaz
First, the analysis takes the known facts and timeline and tries to make sense of them. The only explanation that makes sense is that Kennedy was not in the car.
As for the story not making sense, I disagree. Kennedy met with his friends, in a panic, in the morning that the car was discovered, and invented the official story to cover for the fact that Kennedy got out of the car in a remote area and walked back to the hotel, leaving the inebriated passenger to negotiate an unlighted, unmarked road she didn’t know …. over the dangerous bridge … probably because he didn’t want to be found “parked” with the girl by a policeman who saw the car stopped there just before the accident. Kennedy would have had to explain why he was parked there, why he fled the car, why he allowed the girl to go on down the dark road and over the bridge by herself …. In their panic, the now-famous story is what they came up with.
It makes sense from Kennedy’s point of view, and as I said, fits the known facts and timeline, whereas Kennedy’s story does not. The two things that don’t fit with Kennedy’s story are the sighting of the car parked before the accident, and appearance of Kennedy at his hotel around the time of the accident, dry, unruffled and apparently unaware of any trouble.
However, my bottom line is, either buy the video, or wait for it to appear on A & E which I think owns the broadcast rights, and watch it and draw your own conclusion.
I saw it twice, I think it’s the best explanation so far, and I am also convinced that Kennedy will never tell the truth about the thing. Perhaps after he’s dead, someone will come forth and shed light on the story.
I don’t bring it up as an “indictment” against Kennedy, or as a defense either. It’s just an interesting case that has needed a good solving for a long time. I am not a fan of Kennedy, nor was I a fan of his brother. I’m pretty familiar with the times, as I attended the 1960 Democratic National Convention which nominated John Kennedy.
tBone
Breaking news from Drudge: after his car crash, a drunken, stumbling Patrick Kennedy tried to accost Marilyn Chambers in the shower. She successfully fought him off by twisting his extraneous third nipple.
Or is that not the kind of story you were looking for?
CaseyL
I didn’t think you were bringing it up as an indictment of Kennedy; I was just wondering why he would agree to a story that made him look worse than telling the truth would have done. I still think that, even allowing for the difference in social mores and perceptions twixt then and now. But it seems reasonable to accept the idea that they came up with a hairbrained story and then, when the shit hit the fan and he was vilified by everyone anyway, it was too late to take it back.
Oh, and though the thread has wandered far off the original topic, I want to point out that Plame is no longer covert, doesn’t even work for the CIA anymore, and therefore has no reason whatsoever to avoid the limelight or stay silent. The Right’s constant jeering that she has given interviews and posed for a photo in Vanity Fair is entirely ridiculous, since she did all those things AFTER she was outed.
I am very interested in hearing what she has to say about the work she was doing when her identity was disclosed, and what she believes happened – to her network, her agents, and to their mission – as a result of that disclosure.
I can understand the Right’s tizzy over the matter. Their insistence that she was never covert was threadbare from the start and not getting less so as more information comes out. Now that we’ve heard she was actually working on tracking Iran’s nuclear program, and that outing her and destroying her network set the US back as much as 10 years in penetrating Iran’s nuclear development program, it’s no wonder the Right is shrieking even louder in its effort to avoid, ignore, and minimize the damage the Bush Admin did to US security.
ppGaz
Same here.
Jess
Wait–so Patrick Kennedy WASN’T acquitted! Why isn’t the MSM all over this?!? Where’s the outrage?!? Another KKKennedy KKKover-up!!!
Krista
Ancient Purple – lunch sounds good. We can talk about why men have nipples, and the various reactions of men when they find out that they spent their early zygote life as a female. Some are amused. Some are not.
Waxmaker
Everybody all hacked to pieces yet?
Brian
No. The interesting part is that he wasn’t given any test, like a breath test, to make even a basic stab at a conclusion. He got the kid glove treatment.
And what on earth do you think she would/could say? If she was covert, she still can’t spill all the beans. And she could tell us the general story of what heppened, by keeping out too many specifics of times and places and players, but that allows her lots of room for creative license to spin a very self-serving story that could never be corobborated or fact checked because, you know, she was a secret super-spook who trotted the globe with her glambassador hubby defusing nukes so the Bush administration could freely spin its lies then out her as a desk jockey. It would all be perfectly believeable, wouldn’t it? Better yet, having Steve Colbert do the interview would add about as much credibility.
Steve
Oh, come on Brian. You know she wasn’t covert, she was basically a glorified secretary. Mind you, a secretary with the power to send people to Africa to undermine the President by discovering evidence that actually supports the President, but that’s neither here nor there.
And don’t act like the administration has no way to deal with her if she tells a false story about what her work involved. They dealt with Joe Wilson’s lies, didn’t they? They can just out 2 or 3 more secretaries to rebut whatever she says. Bush wins again.
DougJ
Brian, we’ve been through this. Valerie Plame wasn’t covert, she didn’t work for the CIA, she regularly participated in lesbian three ways with Hillary Clinton and Mary McCarthy, she helped hide Vince Foster’s body after he died of asphyxiation while being choked by Hillary during a bout of rough sex, she was fellating Patrick Kennedy when he suffered that car crash, she was helping her husband work as a French spy, she was Bob Woodward’s source about her own (ficitious) identiy, she helped Saddam hide the WMD in Syria before we invaded, she was at the secret meeting in Prague, she’s not a real blonde, she speaks in a phony Cajun accent despite having grown up in New Jersey, and she came up with the whole bogus “hockey stick” model for global warming.
I’ve just summarized an entire Protein Wisdom thread for you.
Mr Furious
I remember reading ppGaz’s Ted Kennedy story a while back, and while I don’t remember the details I will say this…
Back in those days drunk driving was not viewed the same way it is now. It was probably a much greater offense in those social circles to have left the drunk woman to fend for herself than to drive drunk as a man.
Frankly, I hold Kennedy responsible either way.
And I am not about to give Patrck Kennedy the benefit of the sleeping pill doubt. If he was drunk, throw the book at him. If it can’t be proven, shame the shit out of him anyway. With his family’s reputation, he shouldn’t go anywhere near a car after drinking or taking questionable combinations of medication.
I seem to have these bright stickers all over the medications I get that warn me about operating my car…
If he was impaired, he was impaired. Screw him. He’s a liablility and an embarrassment to my Party.
Andrew
I don’t see a single thing about Goldstein’s dog.
Mr Furious
In fact, it can be PK’s job to drive William Jefferson back and forth to Court.
Ancient Purple
Ah, yes. I have seen that reaction. Worse than deer in the headlights.
Lunch sounds great! I am thinking something with an outdoor patio and a nice wine (if you drink).
I wonder if there is a nice cafe in Canada with a prison shower motif.
Steve
I find it interesting that the people who still bring up Mary Jo Kopechne – nearly 40 years after the fact – are the same people most likely to decry the partisan exploitation of Casey Sheehan’s death.
Krista
That sounds sooo nice, actually. Now I want to play hooky from work and go sit on a nice outdoor patio and drink wine and people-watch. Well, I’m heading into Halifax at the end of the month to visit my sister, so I think we’ll have to do just that. You’re welcome to join us, of course. :)
A prison shower motif? Not so much around here, but maybe in Montréal? They’re pretty blasé about such things…
The Other Steve
Oh, definately. No disagreement there. This Kennedy also suffers from bi-polar disorder, and so it’s not unsurprising to hear he had an episode of confusion. But then again, he probably shouldn’t be driving.
But it’s already clear the righty wingnuts are trying to overplay this as some sort of scandal.
It’s interesting. They were quick to defend Bill Janklow when he massacred that motorcyclist by running a stop sign. Claiming it was lack of sleep or something. Yet somehow because it’s a Kennedy involved, we’re not supposed to wait for the investigation to understand what exactly happened before condemning the g
uy.
The Other Steve
LOL!
There’s an ad to the left side from Open Sores Media. Bill Frist is claiming that Hillary clinton doesn’t understand the true cost of healthcare and we need to help Frist.
BWAAAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!! Frist is a guy who has become incredibly wealthy by manipulating the cost of healthcare in his favor. Anybody who falls for that add must have raisans for brains.
GOP4Me
If she does (or has) disclosed something inappropriate, that may be why Fitzgerald is investigating her. It might explain a lot of things, in a simple language even these moonbats can understand.
What is it with these Kennedys and their cars, anyway? They have more money than Mammon. You’d think their own servants would be rich enough to hire servants to get into these drunk driving crashes.
DougJ
They were quick to defend Bill Janklow when he massacred that motorcyclist by running a stop sign.
Not to mention the fact that Laura Bush ran through a stop sign and kiled her then boyfriend.
ppGaz
I don’t think “outdoor patio” is part of the lexicon at the Arctic Circle.
GOP4Me
That could’ve happened to anyone. It was a horrible incident, and she wasn’t drunk and didn’t run away and hide afterward. Unlike certain Kennedys we could name…
Pb
What are we talking about? Drunk driving? Hey, all that stuff was years ago! Why must you guys always bash Bush and Cheney…
GOP4Me
I was talking about the drunk driving case that occurred very recently indeed, Peanut Butter. And also about Patty Kennedy’s shameful efforts to cover it up with an alibi about pills.
ppGaz
This appears to be a reasonable accounting of the facts in the case as of this hour
If that’s so, then pretty much everything said in this thread about it is just nonsense.
The Vice President shot a man in the face after consuming alcohol, by his own admission, and got the police to wait a whole day before doing an investigation …. and got less heat for it than Kennedy seems to be getting here. The VP took heat for the way he “handled” the story, but not much for nearly killing a guy.
So what’s the big deal?
gratefulcub
I just got the Bill Frist for President newsletter. When he is president, he is going to send us all a HillaryCare Holiday check for $100! (this rebate paid for by China)
DougJ
I realize this is self-indulgent, but I thought some of you might get a kick out of this. I just spoofed Dana Milbank over at the Washington Post Q&A:
Me:
Dana Milbank:
Pb
ppGaz,
Now I know Ambien has some interesting side-effects on some people where it causes them to ravenously eat in the middle of the night, either while they are asleep, or without leaving them any memories of the incident, or both. Perhaps Ambien also has some interesting side-effects on some Congressmen?
GOP4Me
Ordinarily I despise your schtick, DougJ. But if you want to keep pulling it on Dana Milbank, go right ahead as far as I’m concerned.
gratefulcub
A Kennedy, a spawn of Ted Kennedy, crashed his car late at night and then staggered and stumbled. This is a 24hour newsman’s wet dream. They can show that they don’t have a liberal bias, while talking about Ted Kennedy’s ‘problem’ (picture wolf making the drinky drinky gesture as he says ‘problem’)
O’Reilly: “The Dems want to talk about a culture of corruption that doesn’t exist. Maybe it is because of their culture of drunkenness. The Liberals are so tanked that they don’t even know when they are lying anymore. Do you want a drunken Congress to investigate the President for 2 years? Investigate,…..more like a liberal witch hunt. Can we allow that to happen? Do you want a sloppy drunk that care more about maintaining our welfare nation than fighting terrorist to have his finger on the button? He, or SHE, will be more than enthusiastic about nuking real red America, but SHE won’t defend us against the terrorists trying to destroy our way of life. Drunken traitors should not be allowed to be in Congress…..shouldn’t be allowed to live in America!! Anyone that watches Olberman MUST be drunk, and we already know they are traitors. I just get SOOO mad at these anti-american terrorist loving liberals…………………….”
Krista
/blows raspberry at ppGaz.
gratefulcub
In the words of Rove, I wouldn’t get to far out there on this one.
Steve
You can still mark me down as unconvinced. I mean, innocent until proven guilty and all that, but this is Barry Bonds stuff.
ppGaz
Proven guilty? Hasn’t been charged with a crime, AFAIK.
Steve
I assume he won’t ever be charged with a crime. I’m just sharing my opinion.
ppGaz
That’s a completely inappropriate thing to do on a blog, isn’t it?
I’m sure that when John and Tim want our opinions, they will have Darrell give them to us.
Brian
Don’t forget your tinfoil hats.
Darrell
Yes, yes, I see your point. Uncanny similarities between those two cases.. on one hand, a soldier killed in war overseas, and the other, a girl driven off a bridge and left to drown by an influential Massachusetts politician who is still revered by the Democratic party.
Simply amazing how similar those two cases are. Repubs have no right to ever bring up Mary Jo Kopechne without being like total hypocrites.. given what happened to Casey Sheehan and all
Steve
Because the Bush Administration had nothing to do with what happened to Casey Sheehan. He was just “a soldier killed in war overseas,” a war that just kinda happened, passive voice, and there he was. And, last I checked, the Bush Administration is still revered by the Republican Party, no matter how many soldiers and how many Iraqis may die.
Totally inappropriate, though, for the left to use dead soldiers to make a political point… unlike you guys who keep bringing up an accident from 40 years ago because Ted Kennedy happens to belong to the other political party.
gratefulcub
Why do you want to look at the past and play the Blame Game. We’re not going to get into the Blame Game. You can play the Blame Game if you want. We are going to look to the future, we are going to do America’s business of ensuring that Ted Kennedy doesn’t kill anyone in the FUTURE. We don’t share in your Gotcha politics and Blame Gaming, we are doing the HARD WORK for America. You can play the Game of Blame.
gratefulcub
I would love to comment on Patrick Kennedy, but I am unable to comment on ongoing investigations.
gratefulcub
It is only appropriate to use soldiers as backdrops for photo ops and presidential speeches. So says the 73rd ammendment to the Constitution. Look it up.
ppGaz
Yes, and they tend to lean toward using live ones.
So seldom do you see a Bush or a Rumsfeld or a Cheney making a speech in front of planeload of caskets.
gratefulcub
83rd Ammendment: it is blasphemous to show pictures of Muhammed, Janet Jackson’s nipple, or military caskets.
jaime
I make it a point not to run through stop signs and kill people. I bet her insurance premiums went through the roof.
gratefulcub
FYI – It is Derby Day, and I am drinking like a Kennedy. (In my car)
gratefulcub
Oops. My culture of getting-liquored-up-ness took over. It is absolutely NOT Derby Day. Some people call today Oaks Day, but I prefer Derby Eve. Either way, this is the weekend that we celebrate our fine city, a bastion of reasonableness in the gut of Red America.
Sinister Minister, wire to wire.
Darrell
No Steve, it’s completely fair for us to bring up that accident from 40 years ago for the obvious reason that Kennedy was never held responsible for his actions. He never spent a day in prison, and was not even driven from politics. To the contrary, to this very day he enjoys the position as revered Senior Senator from Massachusetts, the Dems lead spokesman for “social justice”. How proud you Dems must be
Darrell
It’s also Cinco de Mayo!.. which here in Texas is a big fiesta. If you were here cub, I’d bury the hatchet and buy you a Texas size margarita or two and sing La Bomba along with the mariachis :)
Steve
But the Bush Administration has been held responsible, of course. That’s why Cindy Sheehan is a “grief pimp” and a “media whore” for using the death of her very own son to attack the administration, but folks like Darrell are being “completely fair” by using the death of someone they never met to attack a political enemy. Because Bush and his administration have been held completely accountable, and the Iraq war is a bunch of old news, unlike Kopechne’s death.
ppGaz
Wow, there’s something to look forward to. Drinking with the homophobic bigot lying weasel in Texas!
The Other Steve
In America we call it May 5th.
And La Bamba is sung in English.
Dance the Bamba
In Order to Dance the Bamba
A Little Bit of Grace
Ah Higher and Higher
In Order to Dance The Bamba
A little bit of grace is Needed
A little grace
And another little thing
and higher and higher
ah higher and higher
higher I will go, higher I will go
higher I will take myself
gratefulcub
La Bamba should only be sung in English;)
And I would definitely bury the hatchet, and then share a mint julep. They aren’t actually any good, but it’s tradition baby.
ppGaz
Right in his butt crack, I would hope ….
gratefulcub
If I, a gay marriage loving hippie, can’t share a margarita with Darrell to celebrate a Mexican holiday, how can we expect the pols to share a scotch and stop bashing each other over the head with rhetoric.
There is no better conversation than one had with a polar opposite while being Kennedy-drunk.
You drink with the drunks you have, not the drunks you want.
ppGaz
You got me on that one.
Been there, done that.
gratefulcub
I’m just not as angry as you are. Darrell is wrong, IMO, most of the time. He gets overheated and a bit viscious at times. The Boy Scout thread was ridiculous. But, he does have a point when he says that most americans agree with him.
That means most Americans are wrong, granted. But, I am not willing to write off half the country as bigoted homophobes just because they haven’t come around to my way of thinking yet.
If I could get Darrell to the ville, drink a little bourbon, and introduce him to my circle of friends, he would see that homos aren’t pedophiles. Contact with other thoughts make us all see the light.
At the same time, I would see that Darrell has some good qualities as well.
By the end of it all, we would have a good conversation. He would see that my liberal thoughts and ideas are based on what I think is best for the country, not out of idealogical hatred. I am positive I would get some of the same vibes from him.
He does deserve a little slack, after all. He is the punching bag in every thread. The other conservatives are spoofs, and Stormy seems to have packed it in.
gratefulcub
Growing up in the 80’s, in rural KY, I thought homosexuals were vile. I didn’t have a hatred, I just thought it was gross, like ‘gag me with a spoon’ gross. I moved out of the backwoods in the 90’s and started meeting these vile gross people. It was unavoidable as a server. It took time for me to realize how idiotic I had been. Inherited Ideas are Curios Things.
I truly believe that those that are homophobic fall into a few categories, the big two being:
1) religious nuts
2) those that have not had the right exposure
I am not willing to consider group two to be personally flawed.
ppGaz
Most Americans once thought that Saddam Hussein caused 911, too.
As recently as a year and a half ago, or so.
Just the other day, a guy was quoted on the Iraq war: Hey, they attacked us, we had to make a response.
A lot of Americans think the earth is a few thousand years old.
Darrell’s “point” seems to be that stupid, bigoted thinking is okay if a lot of people do it.
I don’t agree.
ppGaz
Holy shit, Porter Goss has resigned.
ppGaz
In other news, Kennedy has been cited for various violations which do not include DUI. Bad driving, I’d call them. A photo of his car reveals damage that is so minor, one wonders how in the hell this story ever got out in the first place.
Check the second image here
Steve
I had a good friend in law school who was the most liberal guy you would ever hope to meet, but he couldn’t get over the whole “icky” aspect of homosexuality. It’s like, in principle, he accepted the idea that people are free to do whatever they want, consenting adults, etc., but ewwwwwww.
So, guess who my friend showed up with at the class reunion…
gratefulcub
I thought it was just ‘wild speculation’.
They can’t catch a break. A Kennedy gets drunk and plays bumber cars, and the news cycle is interrupted by Hookergate.
More than anything, I want the MSM to name this Hookergate. Such a ring it has;)
ppGaz
Darrell?
gratefulcub
I love that story.
The ewwwww factor was big with my generation. I had never even heard the word Gay until AIDS. Then it was just on TV. i didn’t think they really existed, except on TV, for the longest time. I mean, WHY would anyone do such a thing.
My point was that we don’t accept things that we don’t understand, until we start to understand. So, I am willing to give people the benefit of the doubt that they are capable of making the transition if the opportunity to understan presents itself.
ppGaz
Republican Right Abandons Bush
Yawn. He’s a man of principle. He doesn’t govern by looking at polls.
ppGaz
I don’t agree. I think it is quite possible to accept things that one doesn’t “understand.” When it comes to human activity, most of it is covered by a single phrase:
Mind your own fucking business.
ppGaz
Goss Resigns
How long before the real story behind this story makes its way past the flaccid press?
gratefulcub
Just for the record: We are in complete agreement on this fact. I wasn’t defending his statements or his thoughts on homosexuals. I wasn’t defending anyone’s hatred.
But, I understand how homophobia happens, and why it persists. I also believe that there is a cure for 90% of the perpetrators: Contact with the thing they fear. Be it racism or homophobia.
Steve
Well, that’s why the Homosexual Agenda wants to put “Will & Grace” on your TV and force your kids to read “Heather Has Two Mommies” in school. It’s all about assimilation.
And if you’re wondering whether we will be assimilated by homosexuals before we get assimilated by Spanish-speaking illegal immigrants, be advised that the two are not mutually exclusive:
Just another member of Darrell’s GOP, bravely speaking for the majority in this country.
ppGaz
I know. I was just ranting. The very idea of Darrell makes we want to …. yell at Darrell. He represents everything wrong with this country, including the high divorce rate in Oklahoma.
ppGaz
If the choice is between them, and the Darrells of the right, then bring on the Mexicans and the gays. Please.
Steve
Can I be the first to split open your piñata?
ppGaz
You’ll need a bigger stick, big boy.
Paul L.
Hmmmmmmm.
Bulletin from the Libby Courtroom [Byron York]
Lewis Libby defense lawyer Theodore Wells told a federal judge a short time ago that the Libby defense team has located “five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.”
Wells said he expects that prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will call Wilson himself to the stand to rebut those accusations.
Today’s hearing concerning what evidence Fitzgerald is required to turn over to the Libby defense team turned into an extended discussion of whether jurors will be allowed to assess Joseph Wilson’s credibility vs. that of the administration as it concerns the reasons the U.S. went to war in Iraq. Prosecutor Fitzgerald told the court, “We don’t want to try the war. The courtroom is not a reasonable place to try the war. Judge Reggie Walton seemed to agree, saying, “I’m not going to let this case end up being a judicial examination of the legitimacy of the war.”
In the hearing, prosecutor Fitzgerald suggested that he would offer the Libby defense team some proof that Valerie Plame Wilson’s status at the CIA was classified. But as he had said earlier, Fitzgerald again said, “We will not offer any proof of actual damages” caused by the revelation of Plame’s identity, although Fitzgerald said “the issue of potential damage will come up several times” in the trial.
Steve
I found that very interesting! My first reaction, though, was “How would that be relevant to whether Libby committed perjury?”
Maybe we went to the same law school or something. Anyway, you can always count on Byron York to give you half the story!
Paul L.
What about all the screaming on the left about outing a convert agent?
Here is sample from this thread.
Steve
Well, that’s the point. Libby’s lawyers know there’s no chance they get to bring this up as part of their defense, because it has no relevance to the perjury charges. But they make the claim so it gets picked up by the usual suspects, knowing that for the wingnut brigade it’s as though these five people have already testified under oath. They never will, though.
CaseyL
Paul L, you seem to be having trouble distinguishing between the charges brought against Scooter Libby – which are limited to perjury and obstruction of justice – and the event which triggered the ongoing investigation that resulted in the charges brought against Libby.
Here’s a quick precis:
1. Valerie Plame was an NOC, which is a very tricky sort of covert status. She wasn’t an agent in place with a “legend” (false history, false identity, counterfeit papers). She used her own name and led a real life. But her putative profession and employer were actually CIA covers for her real work, which was tracking WMD programs in various countries.
2. Through no fault of her own, her cover as a CIA operative was blown. So was the fact that her “employer,” Brewster Jennings, was a CIA cover as well.
3. Her cover was blown as part of the campaign of lies and agitprop the Bush Admin was peddling to sell a war in Iraq.
4. Since it now appears Plame and her network were tracking, specifically, Iran’s nuclear development program, it is possible her cover was also blown as part of a planned campaign of lies and agitprop the Bush Admin wants to use to sell a war in Iran.
5. It is also possible that Plame’s cover was blown as part of an escalating war within the CIA, between career intelligence agents and the Bush Admin’s political officers. The war has come into sharp public focus in the 2 years since Porter Goss was appointed, since his mission was to accelarate the transformation of the CIA from a non-partisan, professional intelligence agency into an apparatus of neo-con ideology and policy.
6. Fitzgerald was named to investigate who outed Plame, and whether any laws protecting our intelligence agents was violated. He was not named to investigate why or how, though those questions would likely be answered in the course of finding out who.
7. He was unable to determine whether the relevant espionage laws were violated, because the people who outed Plame lied, perjured themselves, and obstructed justice (by hiding, destroying, and manipulating evidence).
8. He was able to bring charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. These are serious charges because they refer to crimes committed for the specific purpose of preventing him from determining who made the decision to out Plame, who did the outing, and whether they broke the law in so doing.
9. The fact that Fitzgerald has not yet (and might not ever) be able to bring charges on the original crime doesn’t mean no crime was committed. It might simply mean that the criminals succeeded in covering their tracks.
10. Fitzgerald is bound by “the four corners of the indictment,” i.e., the perjury and obstruction of justice charges.
11. However, Fitzgerald’s investigation continues. In the course of investigating, and charging, perjury and obstruction of justice, he might still be able to gather evidence relating to the original crime.
12. Also, the general public is not bound by “the four corners of the indictment.” We are perfectly free to speculate, esp. in light of new information coming to light (for example, Plame’s work in Iran), on the original crime: the criminals, their motives, and the consequences of the crime.
13. Nor is the news media bound by “the four corners of the indictment.” If more information comes to light concerning the original crime, the criminals, their motives, etc., the news media is perfectly free to report it – regardless of what Fitzgerald does or doesn’t do.
So, you see, Fitzgerald has brought very limited charges regarding a fairly small portion of the overall story.
The rest of us, not being bound by prosecutorial rules, are free to comment on the overall story.
I hope this clears things up for you a bit.
Paul L.
BS. she helped/lobbied to get Joe Wilson sent on his non-mission to Niger.
Wow the CIA put a lot of effort in that a CIA cover. Unlike the secret flights
Brewster Jennings & Associates
Also so Grand Jury perjury charges matter when they are not about sex? How can you commit perjury if there is no underlying crime?
So if I commit a crime and a lie about it, I can not be charged with that crime?
Paul L.
Yet MORE Fun With David Shuster
BTW if the “five witnesses who will say under oath that Mr. [Joseph] Wilson told them his wife worked for the CIA.” occurs, should Fitzgerald charge Joe Wilson with the crime of (In the left’s words) “outting of “covert” agent Valerie Plame’s identity”?
Janus Daniels
We must congratulate Paul L (above) for rendering refutation irrelevant.
Paul L links to Wikipedia for Brewster Jennings & Associates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewster_Jennings_&_Associates
Comically, he appears not to have read the page, which contradicts him, and which documents his errors with links to primary sources, which further contradict him.
From the begginning of this thread, Tulkinghorn:
“… and irony died.”