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More Frist Follies

by Tim F|  May 9, 200611:22 am| 56 Comments

This post is in: Politics, Republican Stupidity

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Worst majority leader ever.

In general “health care week” sounds like a great opportunity for Harry Reid to remind everybody which party is standing in the way of stem cell research. Heck, let’s make it ‘health care month.’

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  1. 1.

    Marcus Wellby

    May 9, 2006 at 11:26 am

    Maybe the worst majority leader ever, but he could possibly be the 2nd bestest president ever — right after goold ol’ W.

    Frist in 2008! Let’s git ‘er done!

  2. 2.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 11:49 am

    And yet the Republican base believes these people when they say, “All we want to do is stop frivolous lawsuits.” Suckers.

  3. 3.

    Lee

    May 9, 2006 at 11:52 am

    If you could make a deal with the devil/God/harry potter and we would get another Christianist President in ’08 for 4 years, but after that the American public would forever distance itself (i.e. not vote for) from that branch of the Republican Party, would you do it?

  4. 4.

    Zifnab

    May 9, 2006 at 11:58 am

    How long is forever?

    And is there an article that doesn’t require a subscription?

  5. 5.

    Sojourner

    May 9, 2006 at 12:01 pm

    Pigs feeding at the troubh

  6. 6.

    Sojourner

    May 9, 2006 at 12:02 pm

    Make that “trough”

  7. 7.

    Tim F.

    May 9, 2006 at 12:02 pm

    NYT registration is free, and you can use bugmenot if even that is too much for you.

  8. 8.

    Lee

    May 9, 2006 at 12:09 pm

    Other than the obvious answer of forever being…you know…forever. Let’s make it 100 years if you want a timeframe less than that.

  9. 9.

    Lee

    May 9, 2006 at 12:15 pm

    Sojourner,

    Just read that article. First off ‘YEAH TAX BREAKS!’ (as a libertarian I am required to do that).

    But HOLY #^#*(#&#*#&* are the Republicans trying to give up the House AND Senate? Is governing really that tough?

    If I put on my tinfoil hat…do they know the election is rigged or something?

  10. 10.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 12:16 pm

    Lee,

    If you could make a deal with the devil/God/harry potter and we would get another Christianist President in ‘08 for 4 years, but after that the American public would forever distance itself (i.e. not vote for) from that branch of the Republican Party, would you do it?

    What is this, Deal Or No Deal? I’d at least want some assurances that said President wouldn’t get us into “World War III” or something… oh wait… I guess that’s a no, then.

  11. 11.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 12:21 pm

    LOL, that article is priceless.

    David Keating, executive director of Club for Growth, a Washington-based organization that helped lobby for Bush’s tax cuts, says Republicans believe that Democrats would extend the middle-income tax cuts if they win control of Congress.

    Oh noes! If the Democrats get in power, they might actually give you a real tax cut! Stop them quick, before they actually help someone! :)

  12. 12.

    Sherard

    May 9, 2006 at 12:24 pm

    You’re hitching your wagon to this ? Are you nuts ?

    So let me get this straight, Democrats are in favor of lawyers getting rich off malpractice suits where multi-million dollar settlements are passed along to consumers ? (if you think otherwise you are a damned fool) PS, the cash doesn’t bring anyone back, either, last I checked.

    But, again, misdirection is the idea of the day. Blocking malpractice reform in favor of lawyers making millions ? Nothing to see here, but look, LOOK over there, STEM CELLS!!! The repugs are blocking stem cell research. Maybe the dems could propose alternate legislation that limits lawyer’s commissions in malpractice suits to 5%. Let me hold my breath waiting for that one……..

    Bringing up stem cells is funny in itself as that’s one of them wedge type issues that fires up the base on the right thay you guys want to stay home in November. Good idea.

  13. 13.

    Sojourner

    May 9, 2006 at 12:29 pm

    Blocking malpractice reform in favor of lawyers making millions ?

    Agreed. We certainly wouldn’t want corporations to be held responsible for poorly designed products that injure or kill people.

  14. 14.

    tzs

    May 9, 2006 at 12:33 pm

    I’d jump on board with this if we could pair it with a piece of legislation saying all health insurance companies had to be run as non-profits with fixed salaries.

    Moral of story: I think it’s the insurance companies more than the malpractice lawyers. Any state(s) willing to put some legislation in place to allow us to test this hypothesis?

  15. 15.

    Lee

    May 9, 2006 at 12:47 pm

    Sherard,

    You do realize that states that have malpractice claim limits (e.g. Texas where I live) have NOT seen a drop in insurance rates?

  16. 16.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 12:48 pm

    Maybe the dems could propose alternate legislation that limits lawyer’s commissions in malpractice suits to 5%.

    What’s hilarious is that this clown doesn’t realize that the defendant pays the same amount either way. I wonder how many other professions he thinks the government should set the price in.

  17. 17.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 12:48 pm

    Don’t forget the #1 crisis facing corporate America today: asbestos liabilities! Heaven forfend we allow people to sue for damages–if we don’t stop them, they might receive just compensation!

  18. 18.

    Bone-In RibEye

    May 9, 2006 at 12:49 pm

    But, again, misdirection is the idea of the day. Blocking malpractice reform in favor of lawyers making millions ? Nothing to see here, but look, LOOK over there,

    And standing in the way of repealing the death tax will force more farmers to lose their farms when the tax man comes calling after farmerdad dies.

    Chidrens toys would be a lot cheaper if companies didn’t have to pay out to lawyers because of frivolous lawsuits. Onve we get some tort reform going companies can stop all that useless safety testing and get those toys on the shelves for cheap.

  19. 19.

    Derrick

    May 9, 2006 at 12:49 pm

    Actually Sherard you might be the fool. A CBO study done in 2003 found that a 25-30% reduction in malpractice costs would reduce health care insurance premiums from between 0.4% to 0.5%. And insurance companies are on record as stating that a cap on medical malpractice suits wouldn’t slow down the increase in malpractice insurance which has gone up much faster than the actual increases in damages.

    I know that for you anectdotal truthiness trumps facts and that it’s fun to demonize both Democrats and trial lawyers (goody!!) But if you want health care costs to go down, you’ll ask for single payer and if you want to look for the real reason for the increase in malpractice insurance you’ll scream at the Insurance lobby for hedging their bad investments with an increase in malpractice insurance.

  20. 20.

    tBone

    May 9, 2006 at 12:52 pm

    Onve we get some tort reform going companies can stop all that useless safety testing and get those toys on the shelves for cheap.

    Thank God. It’s a crime that Happy Fun Ball was pulled off the market.

  21. 21.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 12:54 pm

    companies can stop all that useless safety testing and get those toys on the shelves for cheap

    And then we can bring back all the old favorites, like ‘Bag O’ Glass‘ (Kid! Be careful – broken glass!) and ‘Invisible Pedestrian‘ (not for blind kids)!

  22. 22.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 12:55 pm

    tBone,

    Heh, that’s a good one too. I went old-school SNL instead. :)

  23. 23.

    Derrick

    May 9, 2006 at 12:55 pm

    Also, don’t forget that the worst majority leader in Senate history was the handpicked bagman from the worst President in history. That Bush sure knows how to pick em’.

  24. 24.

    Bone-In RibEye

    May 9, 2006 at 12:57 pm

    Happy Fun Ball. LOL

  25. 25.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 1:01 pm

    Don’t forget the #1 crisis facing corporate America today: asbestos liabilities! Heaven forfend we allow people to sue for damages—if we don’t stop them, they might receive just compensation!

    Heck, actually, the asbestos situation does cry out for a legislative solution, take it from a lawyer. The Republican asbestos bill does happen to suck, but that doesn’t mean a bill shouldn’t be passed.

  26. 26.

    Derrick

    May 9, 2006 at 1:02 pm

    I haven’t stop laughing about Happy Fun Ball.

    Found a link to the original commercial. Hilarious!

    gkko.com/videos/2143/happy-fun-ball/

  27. 27.

    John S.

    May 9, 2006 at 1:11 pm

    Heck, actually, the asbestos situation does cry out for a legislative solution, take it from a lawyer.

    Perhaps, but what about priorities, Steve?

    Congress works precious few days as it is, and with all the other problems facing our nation Republicans feel that asbestos lawsuit reform and extended tax cuts for the wealthy should be our top priorities?

    I disagree.

  28. 28.

    Bone-In RibEye

    May 9, 2006 at 1:14 pm

    ‘Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.’

  29. 29.

    Mr Furious

    May 9, 2006 at 1:15 pm

    R.I.P. Phil Hartman…

  30. 30.

    Paul L.

    May 9, 2006 at 1:17 pm

    which party is standing in the way of stem cell research

    which party is standing in the way of embryonic stem cell research.
    BTW, Any advancements occur in embryonic stem cell research that have not been found to be faked?

  31. 31.

    Bone-In RibEye

    May 9, 2006 at 1:19 pm

    R.I.P. Phil Hartman…

    Phil Hartman was hilarious.
    Happy Fun Ball – SNL – Phil Hartman – NewsRadio – Goofie Ball. Coincidence?

  32. 32.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 1:22 pm

    Congress works precious few days as it is, and with all the other problems facing our nation Republicans feel that asbestos lawsuit reform and extended tax cuts for the wealthy should be our top priorities?

    First of all, I don’t want the Republican Congress to focus on priorities. I want them to waste their time with stupid shit day after day after day until we throw them out of office. Roll call vote on Flag Burning Amendment Versions 1 through 524, please.

    But should it be a major priority? Well, it’s more debatable than you think. Keep in mind, the two choices are that Congress spends some amount of time crafting a one-time solution, or else the courts spend substantially more time dealing with litigation that would be eliminated if we had a legislative solution. There’s more asbestos litigation than you think. Here in New York we have an entire special docket assigned to it.

    But you’re right that there’s no reason Congress should have to waste several days solving the issue. And the answer is simple – a good, common-sense bipartisan bill could be passed rather easily. The Republican bill is just a big wet kiss to K Street, of course, so it’s not going to sail through like that. But that doesn’t change the fact that a bipartisan solution would be a good idea, and it won’t stop me from pointing out that a consensus solution is, in fact, available.

  33. 33.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 1:31 pm

    Steve,

    I guess the question is, how much do the Republicans at the top care, to keep pushing this one? Bush mentioned it specifically in the 2005 SOTU (“Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims — and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year.”). And then, 2006 comes around and… *crickets*

    After all, KBR already got away with filing Chapter 11, and is getting spun off. As for the city of New York… well, in the long run, we’ll see, but what do the Republicans care about those liberals, anyhow…

  34. 34.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 1:37 pm

    It’s a K Street issue. Big donors want their legislative priorities to come before Congress, and by golly, it’s Bill Frist’s job to get those bills a vote so the donors can see they’re getting some bang for their buck. And then the GOP gets to go back to them and say, “Sorry, we tried, those darn Democrats blocked us again… better donate more to the RNC next year so we can win enough seats to break a filibuster.” Some industries get lucky and manage to push their pet bills through, like the credit card lobby did with the bankruptcy bill.

    This is the basic reason why a common-sense, bipartisan solution never emerges. Sure, Frist’s people could sit down with the Democrats and hammer out an asbestos bill that would be broadly acceptable to both sides, but then they wouldn’t be able to make that fundraising pitch. They’d rather keep swinging for the fences year after year.

  35. 35.

    PeterJ

    May 9, 2006 at 1:40 pm

    “Health care dollars should be spent on patients, and not on lawyers who are abusing the system,” Mr. Frist, a heart-lung transplant surgeon, said in introducing the bills.

    There’s obviously no need for a brain if you want to do heart-lung transplants.

  36. 36.

    Rudi

    May 9, 2006 at 1:58 pm

    Yea like Delay’s settlement for his father wrongfull death against a bearing company and Santorum’s settlement against his wifes chiropractor. All stupid lawsuits can be set aside by the judge. The Repugs sure like lawyers and frivolous lawsuits in the Schiavo case or when it lines their pocketbook.

  37. 37.

    chopper

    May 9, 2006 at 2:07 pm

    Actually Sherard you might be the fool. A CBO study done in 2003 found that a 25-30% reduction in malpractice costs would reduce health care insurance premiums from between 0.4% to 0.5%. And insurance companies are on record as stating that a cap on medical malpractice suits wouldn’t slow down the increase in malpractice insurance which has gone up much faster than the actual increases in damages.

    I know that for you anectdotal truthiness trumps facts and that it’s fun to demonize both Democrats and trial lawyers (goody!!) But if you want health care costs to go down, you’ll ask for single payer and if you want to look for the real reason for the increase in malpractice insurance you’ll scream at the Insurance lobby for hedging their bad investments with an increase in malpractice insurance.

    precisely. i’m so sick of hearing this meme about how it’s the lawsuits driving up insurance costs. it isn’t. the overall amount of payouts in medical malpractice lawsuits hasn’t changed that much. and as pointed out above, caps have no effect, and reducing them has no real effect either. insurance companies just hide behind it to cover their own screwups.

  38. 38.

    Parahalo

    May 9, 2006 at 2:15 pm

    The bill for Global Health Corps looks good.

    Everybody wants that money!

  39. 39.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 2:17 pm

    Basically it’s just fun to blame everything on lawyers, although not as much fun as blaming gays or illegal immigrants.

    You may have noticed how the party of personal responsibility has a way of blaming everything on someone else.

  40. 40.

    Pooh

    May 9, 2006 at 2:39 pm

    Bush mentioned it specifically in the 2005 SOTU (“Justice is distorted, and our economy is held back by irresponsible class-actions and frivolous asbestos claims—and I urge Congress to pass legal reforms this year.”). And then, 2006 comes around and… crickets

    MARS, bitches.

  41. 41.

    Pb

    May 9, 2006 at 2:44 pm

    Pooh,

    Wait, I’m beginning to understand… he’s going to send all the asbestos to Mars! We’re saved!

  42. 42.

    Pooh

    May 9, 2006 at 2:47 pm

    How else are we to deal with the manimal hordes?

  43. 43.

    Zifnab

    May 9, 2006 at 3:23 pm

    Damn those bastards who only want to tear the asbestos industry down. Those are good people! Hard working, honest, entrepenuars. Like tobacco farmers and the good people of the NRA. They just want to live and work and feed their families. Why must thousands of people pursecute this defensely minority with their diabolical class action lawsuits? Why?!

  44. 44.

    The Other Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 3:27 pm

    It’s a CRISIS!!!!!

    A CRISIS!!!!!

    Any day now it’s ognig to become a SUPER CRISIS! We gotta stop it before we see a Mushroom cloud.

    Why are Republicans a bunch of Drama Queens?

  45. 45.

    The Other Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 3:29 pm

    Yea like Delay’s settlement for his father wrongfull death against a bearing company and Santorum’s settlement against his wifes chiropractor. All stupid lawsuits can be set aside by the judge. The Repugs sure like lawyers and frivolous lawsuits in the Schiavo case or when it lines their pocketbook.

    A few years ago I met a true wingnut Lawyer. He had worked on the Grunseth campaign, and was deeply saddened when Mr. Grunseth was attacked by the media for skinny dipping with his 14 year old daughter.

    He bragged about all the frivolous lawsuits he files. Like the one time he got someone $50,000 from a hair stylist, because they had given a lady a bad haircut the day before she went into for a movie audition and didn’t get the part.

  46. 46.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 3:31 pm

    Hairstylist malpractice!!!! I’m going to write that one down.

  47. 47.

    Faux News

    May 9, 2006 at 3:36 pm

    Hairstylist malpractice! I’m going to write that one down.

    In that case the entire City of Baltimore needs to be declared a disaster.

    Don’t let the mushroom cloud be a beehive hair do!

  48. 48.

    The Other Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 3:47 pm

    Hairstylist disclosure forms, before getting the haircut.

    Think about it. There’s a giant market just waiting.

  49. 49.

    Krista

    May 9, 2006 at 4:21 pm

    He bragged about all the frivolous lawsuits he files. Like the one time he got someone $50,000 from a hair stylist, because they had given a lady a bad haircut the day before she went into for a movie audition and didn’t get the part.

    Absurd. We can blame the lawyers and the insurance companies, and everybody else, but it’s also these individuals who leap at the idea of quick money. I used to get a lift home with a former coworker, and one day we were rear-ended by an SUV. The second thing out of his mouth, after making sure that I was okay, was “Well, I guess my next vacation is paid for.” We can complain about the lawyers all we want, but there are plenty of clients who have their hands out and are all too willing milk it. It winds up hurting those who have genuine cases and really do deserve compensation.

  50. 50.

    Pooh

    May 9, 2006 at 4:27 pm

    Well, as a lawyer, my thought is that we have perfect enforcement mechanisms in place, they just don’t get used nearly enough. I don’t think it would take all that many beat downs with the Rule 11 Stick for the ambo-chasers to get the message.

  51. 51.

    RSA

    May 9, 2006 at 4:37 pm

    “Health care dollars should be spent on patients, and not on lawyers who are abusing the system,” Mr. Frist, a heart-lung transplant surgeon, said in introducing the bills.

    Can such a stupid man really be a heart-lung transplant surgeon? Or do nurses have to remind him, “Remember to replace lungs with lungs, hearts with hearts–don’t mix them up”?

  52. 52.

    The Other Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 6:27 pm

    We can complain about the lawyers all we want, but there are plenty of clients who have their hands out and are all too willing milk it. It winds up hurting those who have genuine cases and really do deserve compensation.

    Reminds me of another wingnut friend of mine from college. When he was a kid his father had been crippled by a swimming accident. That is, they were at a campground and he decided to dive into the lake, without first checking to see if there was more than 2 feet of water.

    My wingnut roommate never forgave him for not suing the campground.

    At the time I was like “Uhh, dude, wasn’t it his own fault?”

  53. 53.

    Bruce Moomaw

    May 9, 2006 at 7:13 pm

    (1) The only possible restriction on malpractice awards that’s worthy of consideration is limiting punitive damages to some multiple — maybe three times — of the actual compensatory damages in any case. And that, of course, is not what Frist and the GOP are pushing. (I suspect one of their side goals in this effort is to try to carve a club to beat Edwards with if he seems likely to be the 2008 Dem Presidential nominee — but I also suspect this won’t work.)

    (2) The Republicans who voted with the Dems to keep the filibuster going are a VERY unusual trio — not your usual moderate swing votes. Lindsay Graham wasn’t a wild shock — but Shelby and Crapo? What gives?

  54. 54.

    Steve

    May 9, 2006 at 7:22 pm

    The only possible restriction on malpractice awards that’s worthy of consideration is limiting punitive damages to some multiple—maybe three times—of the actual compensatory damages in any case.

    I think a limit on noneconomic damages (“pain and suffering”) is reasonable and should be considered. Punitive damages are a debatable issue, but state courts generally do a good job of reviewing and reducing excess awards, and most punitive damage awards aren’t covered by insurance anyway.

    Shelby and Crapo are both lawyers, although I think only Crapo is of the trial lawyer variety. What’s humorous is that Crapo is so unknown that the NYT couldn’t even get his home state right.

  55. 55.

    demimondian

    May 10, 2006 at 10:56 pm

    My favorite piece of frippery is this article. Notice that the title emphasizes that 40% of all malpractice suits are groundless, and paragraph 3 argues that 15% of all payouts are for groundless claims. Notice, then, in paragraph 4 that the author argues — correctly, by the way — that his study shows that the standard claim about the frequency of frivilous payouts is a complete lie. (Oh, look — a jackalope!)

    Awesome misdirection.

  56. 56.

    Steve

    May 10, 2006 at 11:43 pm

    Many states require med mal lawsuits to go before a panel of medical experts before they ever get to a judge. If you don’t have any evidence of a medical mistake, bang, you’re out – the court system doesn’t waste a minute on your case. It’s a good system, and you know, the fact that so many states have implemented good systems is why most of the federal action under debate is just a bunch of posturing.

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