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You are here: Home / Politics / Thank You , Karl

Thank You , Karl

by Tim F|  August 9, 20061:16 pm| 45 Comments

This post is in: Politics, General Stupidity

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Rahm Emmanuel, correctly observing that proximity to the president will be toxic this November:

“This shows what blind loyalty to George Bush and being his love child means,” said Representative Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, the leader of the Democratic House Congressional campaign. “This is not about the war. It’s blind loyalty to Bush.”

The Republican party equals Bush. For example these bits of craven capitulation are especially amusing, if also tragic. Americans hate Bush. Breaking with longstanding tradition it appears that Democrats may grasp the obvious sufficiently to capitalize on that. A bit faster on the pick-up, this season’s GOP candidates (including, amazingly, Rick Santorum) have gotten lost in traffic, made inflexible appointments and scheduled middle-of-the-night invite-only fundraisers to avoid being seen with the president in public. Even Ken Mehlman suddenly wants people to think that the GOP welcomes (cough) independent thinking.

George Stephanopolous, today:

According to a close Lieberman adviser, the President’s political guru, Karl Rove, has reached out to the Lieberman camp with a message straight from the Oval Office: “The boss wants to help. Whatever we can do, we will do.”

Who wants to bet that this close Lieberman advisor will take part in the mass exodus that Lieberman’s staff threatened rather than work against the Democratic party? Something tells me that Lieberman did not authorize this leak.

But heck, as long as Republicans want to throw spoilers into this year’s contests rather than face their opponents honestly, let’s help a brother out. What sort of help should Karl Rove give? I think that with Lieberman’s coming staff shortages Rove should send over Sue Ralston. Discuss.

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  1. 1.

    Dave

    August 9, 2006 at 1:26 pm

    Well Bush himself isn’t running for re-election, maybe Karl himself can spare some cycles to help out.

  2. 2.

    keatssycamore

    August 9, 2006 at 1:26 pm

    Of course Rahm would spin it that way, but it makes no sense. Proximity to Bush in a Democrat primary is far more of a liability than the same proximity in a general election. Because all the Dems hate Bush. Darrell told me so.

    Heck, by this logic the fact that Chaffee is now trailing his more Conservative Bush mold challenger proves that proximity to the President is needed to win in November.

  3. 3.

    Andrew

    August 9, 2006 at 1:27 pm

    I think Joe and Katherine Harris should birth a savior/love-child manimal hybrid that is 120% loyal to W.

  4. 4.

    Ancient Purple

    August 9, 2006 at 1:29 pm

    Why wouldn’t there be a mass exodus from the Lieberman camp? The Lieberman staff had better realize that they will never work in Democratic circles again if they stick with Holy Joe on his independent campaign.

    Unless they are foolish enough to believe that the Connecticut for Lieberman Party is going to be the new third party in America.

  5. 5.

    Punchy

    August 9, 2006 at 1:48 pm

    I think that with Lieberman’s coming staff shortages Rove should send over Sue Ralston Darrell and Mac Buckets

    Fixed.

  6. 6.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 1:49 pm

    Like I said, I think Joe will melt down now.

    The ground has shifted under his feet, and he is going to do some serious flailing before he falls all the way into the crevasse that is opening up under him.

    This gaffe today is just the beginning.

  7. 7.

    Pb

    August 9, 2006 at 1:55 pm

    I think Joe will melt down now

    He’s been self-destructing for quite some time now, but this is the first time he’s really had to pay a price, and I don’t think he’s going to like it. I’ll make the popcorn!

  8. 8.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 2:05 pm

    This morning, for example, Reid and Schumer made good on their promise.

    Democratic Leader Harry Reid and DSCC Chair Chuck Schumer issued the following joint statement today on the Connecticut Senate race:

    “The Democratic voters of Connecticut have spoken and chosen Ned Lamont as their nominee. Both we and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC) fully support Mr. Lamont’s candidacy. Congratulations to Ned on his victory and on a race well run.
    “Joe Lieberman has been an effective Democratic Senator for Connecticut and for America. But the perception was that he was too close to George Bush and this election was, in many respects, a referendum on the President more than anything else. The results bode well for Democratic victories in November and our efforts to take the country in a new direction.”

    Feingold offered his enthusiastic support; Hillary Clinton’s PAC gave Lamont $5k; Obama’s PAC did the same; Lieberman ally Chris Dodd has vowed to “help in any way I can to secure [Lamont’s] victory in the general election this fall”; Ted Kennedy has pledged his “enthusiastic support”; and Barbara Boxer, who campaigned for Lieberman last month, has now said she’ll campaign for Lamont.

    Lieberman is convinced that he’ll be able to maintain a significant amount of his Dem support over the next three months. As his friends, colleagues, and staff stay with the party and the choice of the party’s voters, Lieberman may find fewer and fewer progressive allies between now and November

    From Tim’s Carpetbagger link.

    It is so over for Joe, and this is just the beginning.

    Apparently, he is going to go down ugly. Fine with me, the uglier the better. Every minute of his ugly is another opportunity for another politician, Donkey and Elephant, to get the point: The country is done with the bullshit. Move on, to coin a phrase.

  9. 9.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 2:15 pm

    DKos:

    After watching Bush spend his term not just refusing to compromise on a single issue, but declaring his intent via “signing statements” to utterly reject the bills he was signing into law, it strikes me as hilarious to see conservatives and their media enablers decry the rise of the Democratic partisan.

    We’re here. It’s good. And when we have a Republican Party once again willing to compromise, then we can start talking about “bipartisanship”.

    As mcjoan wrote:

    Bipartisanship only works when the other side compromises, too. Otherwise it’s just capitulation.

    Word.

  10. 10.

    carpeicthus

    August 9, 2006 at 2:23 pm

    Does anyone have a link for that great old cartoon that points out when you say “The Democrat Party,” you invariably sound like an asshole?

  11. 11.

    skip

    August 9, 2006 at 2:32 pm

    Tony Snow, whose press conferences are more like stump speeches, had a nice spin on it today.
    He said the close election shows the democratic split on the war is 50/50.
    Nice. What a putz.

  12. 12.

    Derrick

    August 9, 2006 at 2:34 pm

    Of course Rahm would spin it that way, but it makes no sense. Proximity to Bush in a Democrat primary is far more of a liability than the same proximity in a general election. Because all the Dems hate Bush. Darrell told me so.

    Heck, by this logic the fact that Chaffee is now trailing his more Conservative Bush mold challenger proves that proximity to the President is needed to win in November.

    The old quote is something like “watch what people do and not what they say” to judge their true feelings. Look at the number of Republican congressman in blue to purple states who won’t be seen in public with W. These are the same people who were begging to get him in town during 2002 and 2004. Face it, Bush is toxic at this point and even Republican’s know it. Chaffe’s challenger didn’t embrace Bush, he just proclaimed himself as a true conservative with the Club for Growth behind him.

    Incumbents should be very afraid at this point. The point has been made today that the last time 3+ incumbents lost primary challenges was in 1994. People are pissed and there not going to take it anymore.

  13. 13.

    Paul L.

    August 9, 2006 at 2:53 pm

    But heck, as long as Republicans want to throw spoilers into this year’s contests rather than face their opponents honestly

    Who is Ross Perot?

    As for Lieberman I’ll not cry too much over his defeat.

    “Good riddance.

    Look, Lieberman is a likeable guy (in the same way, as the lefty bloggers have noted, that Willie Tanner was). But he embodies so much of what’s wrong with Washington. He’s the prototypical David Broder candidate, a big government liberal who’s willing to engage in magnanimous gestures of bipartisanship . . . on issues where Republicans also support big government. So he’s cool with bombing and nation building, and state-sponsored health care. He’s okay with government censorship of video games and cable TV, and heavy-handed regulation of business.

    Golly. What a moderate!

    In other words, he’s wrong on every issue. He’s a culture warrior, a values cop, a Nanny Statist, and a big government foreign policy hawk. He favors high taxes, and a massive welfare state. He’s pro-pork, pro-status quo, and pro-business as usual.”

  14. 14.

    Nutcutter

    August 9, 2006 at 2:54 pm

    Tony Snow, whose press conferences are more like stump speeches, had a nice spin on it today.
    He said the close election shows the democratic split on the war is 50/50.
    Nice. What a putz.

    Well, you know that the line was cooked up beforehand.

    The real point is, he’s an irrelevant putz. And in three months, all of those whackjobs in the White House will be irrelevant, to a large extent.

  15. 15.

    LITBMueller

    August 9, 2006 at 2:56 pm

    The Republican party equals Bush.

    Actually, what this all confirms is “Bush equals Bush.” What I mean by that, is, Bush is all about himself. He does whatever the hell he wants, without taking into account the Republicans in Congress (examples: immigration, torture, stem cell research).

    The White House has worked incredibly hard to surround Bush only with those that are completely loyal to him – from the highest White House officials down to NASA bureacrats and even Park Service rangers.

    Isn’t it amazing that Rove would be willing to bend over backward to help a Democrat keep his seat? This isn’t about the Republican party, or the Democratic Party. For the White House, its about maintaining the Cult of Bush.

    That begs the question: “why is that so important?” Its easy to let your imagination run wild… ;)

  16. 16.

    Pb

    August 9, 2006 at 3:00 pm

    This is just too rich…

    “I’m an underdog. But it’s a winnable race. This is an incumbent a lot of people don’t like. There are lot of people who feel that 18 years is enough for a senator.”

    “It’s time for a change. It’s time for somebody fresh.”

    “For 18 years, my opponent has gotten away with saying he’s a maverick. Well, it’s about time the people really understood what a maverick is. It means you’re not ultimately accountable to anybody.

    You don’t even have to make commitments, even to the voters you represent. You just do whatever suits you personally whenever you want to do it. I look at his record and see a pattern of incredible inconsistency.”

    — All quotes by Joe Lieberman, in 1988. As ye sow, so shall ye reap, Joe.

  17. 17.

    keatssycamore

    August 9, 2006 at 3:04 pm

    I need to fix my previous comment because it’s sooo wrong. I misread the poll I saw about Chaffee. That poll was Chaffee against a Democrat in the general election. Not a poll of Chaffee versus whack job in the primary. Sorry.

  18. 18.

    Pb

    August 9, 2006 at 3:17 pm

    keatssycamore,

    Here you go:

    Recent polls show Chafee and Laffey running neck and neck. And that has the national Republican party worried because they fear Laffey couldn’t win a general election against Whitehouse.

  19. 19.

    Par R

    August 9, 2006 at 3:38 pm

    “This shows what blind loyalty to George Bush and being his love child means,”

    While lines like this get Tim and most of the moonbat regulars all hot and excited, I’m not sure how well it will play out in the world where real Americans live and work.

  20. 20.

    Pb

    August 9, 2006 at 3:45 pm

    Par R,

    I’m not sure how well it will play out in the world where real Americans live and work.

    Tell it to Coulter, Limbaugh, Mehlman, Malkin, O’Reilly, Cheney, Darrell, Mac Buckets, and… yourself!

  21. 21.

    Ancient Purple

    August 9, 2006 at 3:50 pm

    While lines like this get Tim and most of the moonbat regulars all hot and excited, I’m not sure how well it will play out in the world where real Americans live and work.

    I’ve taken the liberty of bolding the words above that having nothing to do with Par R.

  22. 22.

    Mike S

    August 9, 2006 at 3:50 pm

    Couldn’t President Bush just nullify the primary? It’s not as if he is afraid to ignore the constitution.

  23. 23.

    Tim F.

    August 9, 2006 at 3:57 pm

    While lines like this get Tim and most of the moonbat regulars all hot and excited, I’m not sure how well it will play out in the world where real Americans live and work.

    LOL. In a less civilized environ somebody might tell you to go Cheney yourself.

  24. 24.

    The Other Steve

    August 9, 2006 at 4:00 pm

    You see, despite what Joe Lieberman believes, invading Iraq and diverting our attention away from Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden is not being strong on national security. Blind allegiance to George W. Bush and his failed “stay the course” strategy is not being strong on national security. And no, Senator Lieberman, no matter how you demonize your opponents, there is no “antisecurity wing” of the Democratic Party.

    – General(ret.) Wesley Clark

  25. 25.

    The Other Steve

    August 9, 2006 at 4:04 pm

    When you’ve got an environment where over 50% of the people strongly disapprove of something… The fact is you aren’t in the mainstream by claiming you strongly approve.

    Just might want to keep that in mind, Par T.

  26. 26.

    Perry Como

    August 9, 2006 at 4:35 pm

    When you’ve got an environment where over 50% of the people strongly disapprove of something… The fact is you aren’t in the mainstream by claiming you strongly approve.

    Much like global warming, being against the war requires 100% consensus for the idea to be taken seriously.

  27. 27.

    Pooh

    August 9, 2006 at 5:35 pm

    Wow, Paul L actually posted something that makes sense. Of course he didn’t actually, you know, write any of it, but it’s actually worth RTWT at his link…

  28. 28.

    Andrew

    August 9, 2006 at 6:01 pm

    Lieberman comes off as the most self-satisfied, smug arsehole in the universe everytime I see him talk. Like just now on the Newshour.

    However, this is also a wonderful opportunity for a new stupid test!

    If you like Joe Lieberman because he’s a moderate, tough on terrorism centrist, YOU’RE STUPID! You, Marty Peretz, and Jon Chait can cry yourself to sleep every time we don’t bomb a new country.

    (This replaces the previous test question concerning intelligent design.)

  29. 29.

    Pooh

    August 9, 2006 at 6:29 pm

    Speaking of Marty, he’s the asshole of the week.

  30. 30.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 6:45 pm

    Holy Bat, Crapman.

    Did ya see the Chris Matthews smackdown of Ken Mehlman today?

    Jesus. If this is what the GOP has for this cycle, they are certainly toast.

    Mehlman had to dodge rotten fruit to keep from basically saying that Ronald Reagan caused Arab terrorism.

    You, because he cut and run from Lebanon. Which, of course, he did.

    Hilarious. Mehlman tries to support the idiotic comments of Snow, and gets snared by Matthews like a hungry fish.

  31. 31.

    Tsulagi

    August 9, 2006 at 6:59 pm

    “This shows what blind loyalty to George Bush and being his love child means,”

    While lines like this get Tim and most of the moonbat regulars all hot and excited, I’m not sure how well it will play out in the world where real Americans live and work.

    How well will it play? I’ll take a little stab at answering that.

    Of course you have one large self-lobotomized segment of the population firmly ensconced in their auto fellating message echo chambers that make them feel all good and tingly. They’ll wait for the pre-recorded message to know how that love child thing will play with them.

    Then you have the majority of the population that now see little Bush as the lying, gutless, greatest ooze of spoiled brat baby shit ever to be propped upright. They may think that love-child statement is understated, but it’ll be okay with them.

  32. 32.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 7:03 pm

    But … wait! The Giant Jackalope is being prepped in the pens just off the yard.

    John Fund describes a coming — imminent — “crisis” with Iran, in which Iran is seen as attacking Israel By Proxy and the United States has to “engage.”

    I think he tips the GOP hand. They intend to link Iran with the mess we’ve created over there, and then point to Lamont as the poster boy for Cut and Run, which as we all know, leads to “another 911.”

    If you think I am making this up …. well, you are partly right. It is being made up, but by Republicans, not by me.

    Giant Jackalopes coming to a theater near you.

  33. 33.

    Perry Como

    August 9, 2006 at 7:39 pm

    Giant Jackalopes coming to a theater near you.

    With WMDs on their freakin’ heads.

    This administration reminds me of dotcom conslutants. They would come into a company and make a huge mess, charging obscene amounts of money. Then they would offer to fix the mess for even more money and the company had to pay since it was for proprietary software (Vignette anyone?). More often than not the “fix” remained a huge clusterfuck after they were gone.

    Bush foreign policy: Kind of like Vignette

  34. 34.

    Machs

    August 9, 2006 at 7:42 pm

    Now here’s a bright, independent riser sure to give Dennis Kucinich a run for his 10th Congressional seat.

  35. 35.

    capelza

    August 9, 2006 at 7:48 pm

    Sort of off topic, though Joe brought it up elsewhere. Anyone here from Oregon or the PNW remember that Hatfield was getting the cold shoulder from the Newt GOP before he retired? Because he didn’t tow the party line? Voting against the first Iraq war didn’t endear him, but after that there was some noise. I’d appreciate any response, thanks.

  36. 36.

    Andrew

    August 9, 2006 at 7:54 pm

    Sweet, sweet Joementum!

    Lieberman said that he fired his campaign manager and spokesman, and asked for the resignations of his campaign staff.

  37. 37.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 8:04 pm

    “Joe Lieberman believed in a strong national defense, and for that, he was purged from his party. It is a sobering moment,” Republican National chairman Ken Mehlman said.

    From Andrew’s link.

    Well, maybe “strong national defense” means not bogging the country and the military down in useless wars that are ill concieved and poorly executed, and then staying engaged for years with no particular end in sight?

    Maybe “strong national defense” means what it meant when Bush’s father decided not to go to Baghdad? Maybe it means what Colin Powell told the stupid sonofabitch president it meant before he threw us into this war? Namely, knowing when to hold ’em, and when to fold ’em.

    Maybe “staying the course” doesn’t work in the nation’s defense any better than it works in gambling at a Las Vegas casino? Maybe “strong defense” means knowing when to cut one’s losses and move on? As opposed, you know, to throwing more and more resources at a bottomless pit of clusterfucked chaos?

    I’m just asking.

  38. 38.

    Andrew

    August 9, 2006 at 8:31 pm

    Oh no! Joe’s web site is still under attack by the evil forces of Ned Lamont.

    Luckily, his new campaign has multiple sites up and running!

  39. 39.

    DougJ

    August 9, 2006 at 9:03 pm

    Bush’s father

    RINO.

    Colin Powell

    RINO and a half.

    Newt

    RINO except for the WWIII stuff.

    John Fund

    Kind of a RINO — he thinks we shouldn’t nuke Iran, only use conventional weapons.

    Paul L

    RINO — doesn’t like Joe Lieberman.

    Chaffee

    RINO.

    Cheney

    RINO — supports gay marriage.

    Mehlman

    Will someday have a gay marriage.

    Mac Buckets

    RINO — listens to too much Elvis Costello.

    Nope, no real Republicans in this thread.

  40. 40.

    rachel

    August 9, 2006 at 9:09 pm

    Andrew:

    Of course he fired his campaign staff.

    1) They are Democrats (we must suppose), and he is no longer the Democrat candidate. Better to fire them before they quit because that way he can claim…
    2) …they didn’t do that good a job.

  41. 41.

    ThymeZone

    August 9, 2006 at 9:34 pm

    Republicans began a concerted effort to use Mr. Lieberman’s defeat to portray Democrats as weak on national defense, reprising a theme that they made central to the last two national campaigns. The attacks often came in searing remarks from, among others, Ken Mehlman, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, and Vice President Dick Cheney, who went so far as to suggest that the ouster of Mr. Lieberman might embolden Al Qaeda terrorists.

    “It’s an unfortunate development, I think, from the standpoint of the Democratic Party, to see a man like Lieberman pushed aside because of his willingness to support an aggressive posture in terms of our national security strategy,’’ Mr. Cheney said in a telephone interview with news agency reporters.

    Mehlman spoke today on Hardball. Matthews nailed him with this stuff, asking pointedly whether Lamont was to be charged with being weak on defense unless he supported the particular “no end in sight” strategy of Bush, and no other strategy. Mehlman repeated the talking points. Matthews then nailed Mehlman with a charge that under these rules, Ronald Reagan must be charged with capitulating to Arab terrorism because he cut and ran from Lebanon after the Marine bombing there. Mehlman again recited the talking points.

    BTW, tipping point fans, Matthews basically endorsed Lamont and said that he couldn’t “endorse” him but was really glad that he was running. We haven’t seen Matthews this chipper in a long time.

    LBNL, I mention again, Mehlman’s linking of problems in the Middle East now to Iran’s “war by proxy” on Israel. This is the big jackalope that the Republicans want to float to the election in November. This is probably the reason why the US keeps talking but doing exactly nothing to advance a cease fire or other abatement of hostilities in Lebanon now. Bush’s interests are best served by having a war going in the Middle East that can be marketed, since the one in Iraq is in the shitter. Even if the new war did nothing but take lens time away from the Iraq war, it would be serving its purpose to the Administration.

  42. 42.

    Pb

    August 9, 2006 at 11:11 pm

    ThymeZone,

    Yeah, I saw that, it was great; I wrote about it too: The GOP Lets Osama bin Laden Run Their Foreign Policy.

  43. 43.

    SeesThroughIt

    August 9, 2006 at 11:46 pm

    Well, maybe “strong national defense” means not bogging the country and the military down in useless wars that are ill concieved and poorly executed, and then staying engaged for years with no particular end in sight?

    Oh, tut tut. “Strong national defense” = Bush. That’s it. That’s all. Everything else is just terrorist-coddling pussy shit.

    Welcome to the Rightwingoverse!

  44. 44.

    ats

    August 10, 2006 at 7:23 am

    Lieberman is Sabbatai Sebi, returning to lead the neocons to a new Independent Promised Land.*

    *Water of the Litani River included.

  45. 45.

    ats

    August 10, 2006 at 7:25 am

    Andrew wrote, “I think Joe and Katherine Harris should birth a savior/love-child manimal hybrid that is 120% loyal to W.”

    There went MY Fruit Loops.

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