Baked a spiral honey ham yesterday, cooked some green beans, and had one of my favorite combos ever- macaroni and cheese ansd steewed tomatoes. Delicious.
Kinda just want the ham to go away now so I can cook some potatoes, ham, and green beans in the crock pot.
Speaking of hams, I saw Stephen Hadley on MTP and This Week with the Greek, and he scared the shit out of me, refusing to be tied down on any questions regarding military action against Iran. Onward Christian Soldiers, I guess.
Consider this an open thread.
Darrell
Because that’s what this is all about, Crusades II, spreading Christianity to the unwashed heathens in the middle east. Or was it a war for oil and Halliburton? I forget which…
ThymeZone
I repeat what I said on an adjacent non-open thread:
A clip of the Bush interview from tonight’s Sixty Minutes program is appearing on the morning talk shows.
Watch the interview, and ask yourself: Why is this man smiling when he talks about a war?
An ongoing war, a war that is killing people right now as we speak, that is despised by the American people and that is not supported in Congress or by the world in general. A war that has pulled his presidency down into abject impotence, made his government essentially unable to function. And he smiles when he talks about it.
Keep in mind that this is the same man who made a comedy sketch out of looking for weapons of mass destruction under the oval office sofa cushions a couple years ago.
Explain this to me. Anyone?
dslak
Or at least another thread on how much Darrell likes pie, because that’s what it will become. But, hey – that’s what every thread apparently is about anyway, isn’t it?
RSA
I like ham, but I like it thickly sliced, salty, and with a rind of fat that crackles up. None of the spiral-sliced versions I’ve come across fit the bill. (I wonder if I sound like a Southerner?)
demimondian
Actually, RSA, my Southerner relatives all long spiral sliced ham; I, as the -commie-mutant-traitor- I mean, Yankee infiltrator, am the one who loves the real thing.
Can’t get it any more, though; American smoked hams are hard to find these days. Most are water treated mush with the right pink coloration.
demimondian
So, John, Tim, Tom, and fellow commenters, do *you* honestly think that the administration is trying to create a war with Iran? I keep thinking “no one would be that stupid”, but this *is* the Bush administration we’re talking about.
They wouldn’t…would they?
ThymeZone
Yes.
This has been this morning’s edition of Obvious Answers to Simple Questions.
dslak
I think most upscale supermarkets carry Smithfield hams, if not year-round then at least around the holidays.
Paddy O'Shea
Cubed Spam with Campbell’s pork and beans is a hearty treat on a cold winter’s day. Mix in some bacon fat and pour the concoction over a couple slabs of sourdough bread and you’re on your way to some good wholesome eating.
Speaking of pig meat, Matt Drudge (of all people) gives some insight into what an ass Bush makes of himself on 60 Minutes this evening.
Apparently Scott Pelley nails Prexy’s little cloven hooves to the floorboards.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
Louise
Explain this to me. Anyone?
All potential answers are scary, but you know that.
This is informative, and this post and thread are a ton of fun.
Most people who seek powerful positions like the presidency have to be “outside the norm” in some way, I think — but unfortunately, GWBush is the scary kind: a damaged person who is unaware or deliberately dismissive of his own pathology.
What I find unacceptable is the number of people who have enabled him, either out of ignorance or — more likely and more heinously — in the pursuit of power for themselves.
Paddy O'Shea
Louise – This is informative as well ..
One Flew Over The White House?
Can it be that our president is not just wrong, not just stubborn, not just acting on sinister but purposeful motives, but mad as a hatter? Is the President of the United States of America mentally ill?
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/4706
Darrell
Iran is flooding Iraq with arms, supplies and insurgents trying to kill our troops and also kill Iraqis. They are largest state sponsor of terrorism. Diplomacy through Europeans and the UN has been ineffective. What do you think we should be doing about Iran?
Maybe if we all ‘hope for peace’ long enough and hard enough, maybe then the mullahs will end their support of terrorism and abandon their nuclear ambitions..
ThymeZone
Well, he’s got a personality disorder, but, yes. In that sense, yes, he is.
He thinks Iraq is about him, his power, his ability to weasel and cheat his way to get what he wants.
Why else would he smile when he talks about it? Do the people you know smile when they talk about mass death and destruction? That is to say, mass death and destruction over which they have control?
When I look at the drunken little shit’s face, I think of Charles Manson and that shitty smirk.
dslak
Oh, and when I say “around the holidays,” I obviously mean “around Christmas.” I don’t want the opening salvos in this year’s War on Christmas to be unleashed just yet.
Darrell
Textbook example of BDS
Paddy O'Shea
TZ: Yeah, that is a good take. The idea that Bush is somehow the indispensible man in the war on terror, and that without him at the helm the West would be lost to a wave of unholy terror, is just plain nuts.
George W. Bush seems to believe that he is all that stands between us and mass annihilation.
Which is why he is a batshit loony.
RSA
How the hell can I become a Southerner if all my stereotypes are wrong?!
ThymeZone
It’s among a long list of reasons, I think, why we should consider him completely deranged and dangerous.
I like the way Louis Black puts it:
“I listen to him speak, and the only conclusion I can come to is that one of us is nuts. And it isn’t me.”
One can’t consider even one assertion from the lunatic without concluding that he is a menace to the American experiment.
“Bush says his critics don’t have a better plan.”
Get it? The guy can spend six years completely fucking up everything he touches, but unless you have a magic plan to fix what he’s fucked, you shouldn’t criticize him. You should just roll over and accept his next collossal screwup as if the previous fifty hadn’t ever happened.
“Bush says opposing his plan sends the wrong message to troops.”
Say what? We should accede to another n years of his useless war in order to keep a smiling face on for the troops?
One wonders how they can gin this stuff in the White House with a straight face. They appear to just be fucking with us and laughing at us at this point.
demimondian
No, Bush isn’t a batshit loony. Although I think that Dr. Minot is right that the president shows many of the features of a person with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, many people with serious personality disorders function well socially, cause themselves and others no great discomfort, and are highly effective in their positions. NPD, in particular, is a useful cluster of behaviors and opinions to have if you’re a serial entrepreneur; the combination of insecurity and ridiculous self-esteem can keep you going through periods when a normal would throw in the towel.
(The intelligent reader might think immediately of Steve Jobs in that case. I suspect that the intelligent reader would be onto something.)
Charles Manson was batshit crazy. Charles Manson is a psychopathic sociopath. It’s unlikely that G. W. Bush is a psychopath, at least on the basis of the behavior of others towards him; paradoxically, he doesn’t have enough enemies in his own party for that. G.W. Bush may exhibit symptoms of a personality disorder, but he is not batshit crazy.
ThymeZone
Are ya paying any attention, Demi?
The motherfucker made jokes about looking for WMDs in the Oval Office.
You and I have different ideas of what’s crazy. He’s fucking crazy.
Paddy O'Shea
Demi the Bill Frist of mental health analysis.
ThymeZone
Demi is a doctor who became a billionaire by selling out to corporate interests?
Paddy O'Shea
TZ: If Demi can’t play the enlightened voice of reason she becomes uncomfortable. Demi just has to be the expert. Typical bourgeois professional class behavior.
It is pretty much the reason why Goop, herself, and the others of that silly claque can’t spoof effectively. They are so enamored of their self-perceived status that they can’t ever let it go, and it gives them up every time.
ThymeZone
BDS? Bullshit Darrell Statement.
Pb
I was with you all the way until the tomatoes–I’d go for apple sauce instead.
A neo-con not ruling out military action against Iran? I’m shocked–shocked, I tell you. Seriously, people, I saw this coming nearly four years ago–I’m just surprised it took them this long, and no doubt they are too. Idiots.
srv
As always, Darrell with his undocumented lies. Please show us documentation of this “flood”.
demimondian
You know, srv, I think it’s probable that Iran is flooding Southern Iraq with arms, supplies, and insurgents — well, the insurgents are home-grown, but, it’s all Iran’s fault anyway — of course, they’re the good guy Shia except when it serves our purposes to have always been at war with SCIRI.
But who cares about facts?
Tim F.
Um no, Bush Defense Syndrome. And Darrell is certainly right about that.
Tim F.
It would be very smart for Iran to flood Iraq with weapons and training. Keeps our land forces busy when the might otherwise be thinking about moving east. That leaves us with only air strikes as a realistic option, which Iran’s leaders would probably not mind at all. Among other benefits, unprovoked airstrikes would cement Iran’s political leadership for the forseeable future and they would create a huge sympathy for Iran in the mideast. Needless to say airstrikes would not decaptitate their leadership, wouldn’t prevent them from screwing with out oil and wouldn’t stop a nuclear program when we don’t even know where most of it is. Win-win-win as far as they’re concerned.
Random thought, sure would be nice if we had invested in alternative energy and efficiency. One hundred billion dollars can buy quite a lot of oil independence.
demimondian
Herb, I make dead baby jokes. That doesn’t mean I want babies dead, and it doesn’t mean I’m crazy.
Same for Bush. Is he a tasteless, self-centered twit? Yup. That doesn’t make him crazy, though; lots of people are tasteless self-centered twits, and aren’t crazy.
If knowing the difference between the two means that you and I have different views of the word crazy, then, I guess you’re right. We have different definitions of the word crazy.
demimondian
Yeah, wouldn’t it? That’s the *other* half of the Carter Doctrine — the one we threw out int he eighties.
srv
demi/tim f,
At least before the war, they felt a need to gin up the WMD threat, but now there’s really no attempt to provide any evidence for the next war. It’s beyond ridiculous:
1) Various wingnuts have insisted that Iran is supplying the Sunni (like the Sadrist wouldn’t find out?)
2) After all the crap they’ve spewed, the best they can come up with is an Iranian consulate in Kurdistan? Sheesh.
3) Is there a single documented Iranian who has been arrested supplying the Sunni or Shia?
4) Not even a single drone video of the floods of Iranians streaming across the border? Or the Iranian camps training all these bad Iraqis?
Of course the Iranians have an interest in the outcome, but since the “evidence” should be trivial to demonstrate, it doesn’t back up any of y’alls theories.
ThymeZone
Yeah, and your whole silly post would have made more sense if maybe you were a president of a large country that happened to be four years into an illegal, dishonest and useless war right now.
But, uh, given the differences between yourself and the person in question, you’ll understand if I toss your post into the nearest crapper.
Bush is a world leader with the power of life and death over people. When somebody like that makes “dead baby jokes” then the standards are a little different.
I’m not sure you can understand that, but my basic faith in humanity tells me that one or two other people here will.
srv
Ah, now it isn’t a “consulate”. How interesting. And we wanted to seize more Iranians apparently, but the Kurdish troops guarding their facility didn’t approve.
Sheesh.
Darrell, you and all your wingnuts are blatant liars.
SeesThroughIt
That’s one of the things I miss about the east coast. We’ve got applesauce out here on the west coast, but it just ain’t the same. Sorta like how dungeness crab will never, ever be able to replace blue crab.
When I was a young’in, my mom would make this this baked mac & cheese with chunks of ham in it. It was amazingly good.
chopper
if you were the president and made some dead baby jokes at a press conference about a war you started that killed an assload of babies, i’d think you were crazy.
chopper
ham? you eat that filthy animal?
OCSteve
There is no crab but blue.
I make a killer mac & cheese with ham from scratch. I actually prefer the Kraft box mix, but my wife won’t allow it in the house.
ConservativelyLiberal
Bush has yelled ‘WOLF!’ too many times to count, yet not a single wolf has been found (nor has Osama, remember him?). Sorry, I did not bite the first time he yelled it, and I am not buying it now.
When this is all said and done (please), years from now I will be able to proudly say that though I supported going into Afghanistan and finding Osama, I have always spoken out against going into Iraq (or anywhere else without a REAL provocation). Not only that, on 9/11 I predicted that we would be going after Saddam, one way or another, before Bush was out of office. My friends are witnesses, and even the pro Bush crowd among them have had their fill of his shennanigans.
Sometimes though, I hate being right about things. In this case, I wish I had been wrong. I could have lived with it.
Oh yeah, please don’t feed the
Darrelltroll…demimondian
Right. Sorry, Herb, I forgot that You Are Always Right. Except, in this case, you’re wrong.
Apparently, you want Dubya to be “crazy”. I doubt he is. Maladjusted, surely, probably a total shit to work for, yes, self-centered and lacking in empathy, yes. But “batshit crazy” means delusional and hallucinating to me, and I don’t think he is.
Personally, I don’t understand why it matters if he’s batshit loony or not — I’d really love to have somebody explain it to me.
Andrew
You call that a culinary combo?
Imagine, if you will, the following: Rare beer hamburger, ham AND bacon, fried egg, tomato, lettuce, blue cheese, avacado, and mushrooms. Now imagine them all between one hamburger bun. THAT is a culinary combo.
tBone
This has been today’s edition of How Many Ways Can You Be Wrong in a Single Post?
ThymeZone
Go away, you annoying ankle biter. My argument doesn’t fail because “I want Dubya to be craz.” I’ve been arguing that he is crazy for two years. I stand on my evaluation of him.
If you don’t like it, shove it up your ass.
It doesn’t matter to you whether he’s crazy or not?
Well, that drunken slip of the tongue fails on two levels.
One, you’ve wasted some time today arguing with me about something you now say you don’t care about. Two, the fucking guy is a world leader and is killing people on a daily basis. It should matter to you.
But, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Now go away.
ThymeZone
Oh, and { raspberry } to the Seahawks.
AkaDad
Textbook example of how a man-crush on Bush could force someone to make up a medical condition, and then diagnose others with it.
demimondian
Oh, and { raspberry } to the Seahawks.Who are the Seahawks?
ThymeZone
Nah, he’s not crazy. Just a little eccentric, maybe:
Fuck the people, I’m gonna do what I want.
Einstein: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.
fwiffo
I thought the most underrated culinary combo ever was peanut butter and bacon? Or peanut butter and anything for that matter…
Hyperion
losers!
just my opinion but…demi and TZ need a time out.
demimondian
We’re just suffering for BDS (baiting Darrell syntdrome). Don’t worry, it’ll pass.
ThymeZone
These crazy fucks have driven public support from 75 percent to 25 percent in a little over three years, and they are talking about 40 years of war?
No, they aren’t nuts. They’re just a little ….. odd.
Krista
Glad to find a kindred spirit. As a child, I always wanted peanut butter on my hot dogs. It’s actually really, really good, but I got shamed out of asking for it as the years passed.
demimondian
Well, history *is* on their side in this one. The cold war was never popular during it’s course.
zzyzx
We easily could have won that game, but the Hawks have some serious holes so I can’t complain too much about our season.
jake
Yum! With a big slice of sweet potato pie. I had spiral sliced recently and was not impressed.
And speaking of pigs, the Deciderator is an addict who “treated” himself with prayer. Anyone who has spent time (or been) an untreated addict can tell you how much havoc your average addict can create. Now imagine the addict is faced with a crisis and he happens to have an entire army at his disposal.
ChristieS
John said:
PB said:
No, he means you mix the mac/cheese with the stewed tomatoes. It’s yummy. I don’t think I’d like to try mixing mac/cheese with applesauce. I’d have to see if the cats would eat it, first. They’re the “mikey” in our house.
Larv
What about the rich, creamery butter?
ThymeZone
Sure it was. “Duck and Cover” was our favorite song.
demimondian
Yeuch. Bleah. Sweet potato pie? Somebody, please, get me my extra-strength mental image bleach.
I don’t like spiral sliced, either. I want ham that behaves like ham, not thin slices of gluey, sweet and salt-flavored sponge cake.
demimondian
And you sang it at repeated screenings of _Reefer Madness_, right? Yeah, I was there, too.
ThymeZone
Exactly. That’s how we learned of the evils of the drug.
Commies and drugs. The big threats.
jake
Demi is a damnyankee! I bet you like pumpkin pie AND speak French.
OCSteve
Or a decent combination. I always felt that commies were much easier to deal with when on drugs (they made more sense).
demimondian
Guilty as charged.
chopper
that does sound delicious. how do you get the beer in the burger, do you soak it?
demimondian
Is it all right if I use common beer, instead?
maf54
No, silly, you make the cow drink it.
Just like Kobe Beef, but way more American.
maf54
I like beef of all kinds, by the way.
SeesThroughIt
Thank you! I loved peanut butter and bacon sandwiches when I was a kid–I had them in lieu of BLTs. Yet when I mention that to people, they give me a look like I just told them I enjoyed eating phlegm sandwiches. PB&B, people! (Why yes, I am a heart attack waiting to happen…why do you ask?)
Well, if you can be communal with weed (evereybody put in their little bit, and we’ll have enough to roll a blunt!), why can’t you be communal with everything, right? Or something. All I know is that my friends and I solved all the world’s problems while high…then, the next day, couldn’t quite remember how we did it.
Andrew
Ha ha, fellas.
As for the rare beef, I was referring to Ted’s Montana Grill, which is one of the better chain restaurants I’ve ever eaten at. They grind the beef in house so you can get reasonably mad cow and e-coli-free rare hamburgers, and they’re only about $8 or 9.
/commercial plug
RSA
Only time I’ve ever had bison was in a burger at Ted’s. Pretty good.
demimondian
Sounds like I’ll need to try this place.
Not that it’ll ever make it to Seattle in my life time.
TenguPhule
I would like to Celebrate this thread that has successfully ignored Darrell in it.
demimondian
I didn’t even realize that Darrell liked pie in this thread.
rachel
I like pie. I like sweet potato pie–and I want some now.
And I like PBB sandwiches, too.
Ted
I don’t recall making you a bison burger, but I have had a bison steak. Interestingly different, but kinda gamey.
RSA
I was the one who drank all your beer. (Your rare beer, that is.)
chopper
“i’ll have the 3/4 pound budweiser freedom burger please.”
ick. budweiser.
as to grinding beef in-house, i don’t know if that does anything for e.coli or mad cow. mad cow disease doesn’t care if you grind the meat or when or where or how you cook it, it’s still there.
and e.coli doesn’t care either; it’s more prevalent in ground beef because it tends to hang out on the surfaces of cuts which are usually the first part to be cooked. when it’s ground it gets spread throughout the meat making it more dangerous, no matter when it was ground.
the only things to me that make sense regarding stopping e.coli in yer ground beef is 1) to make sure the cuts being ground are clean/sterilized on the outside somehow or, more easily, 2) using pasture-raised beef. i’d say 3) having your burger well-done, but in that case why even bother in the first place? if you want a beef-flavored hockey puck just go to the sporting goods store with a jar of bullion in hand.
e.coli is really a product of the factory-farming practice of feeding cows grain. cows can’t handle grain as they’re designed to graze, so grain really butchers their stomachs. causes all sorts of ulcers and stomach ailments, hence the typical cow overloaded with antibiotics (doesn’t help to raise them in pens on top of each other). grain-fed stomachs have a different pH than those of grass-fed animals, creating an environment where e.coli can thrive and multiply all over the place. and unsanitary (read: cheap-ass) butchering practices cause stomach contents to occasionally mix in with the meat causing trouble.
besides, who wants to eat a cow that suffered all its life living in a sh1tty pen with stomach ulcers just to save a few bucks?
Krista
Nonsense. Hamburgers can be well-done and still be juicy and flavourful. You practically have to wear a bib when eating my burgers. Just make sure you get medium ground beef, not the lean stuff. Mix in some dried onion soup mix and some Worcestershire sauce. Use 1/4 lb. of ground beef per patty, and make the patties fairly broad and flat. Make sure your grill is searing hot, slap those puppies on there, turn the heat down to medium. Cook ’em for a couple of minutes, flip them only once, and never, ever, ever, ever press on them. After a few more minutes, give your thickest burger a bit of a poke with your finger. Take your thumb and stick it between your ring and pinky finger on the same hand (it’ll look like the type of fist that’d get your thumb broken if you actually punched anybody with it), and give a poke to the pad of flesh on the back of your hand between your thumb and index finger. If the resilence is the same as that of your burger, your burger’s well-done. Take it off the grill, and let it sit for about three minutes prior to eating it, to let the juices redistribute.
Believe me, I know hockey pucks, and a well-done burger, when done right, is no hockey puck.
ThymeZone
Good job Krista.
All very good information.
What percent of fat do you like in your ground beef? The American trend is toward very lean … which produces a dry burger no matter what you do with it. No goodsky.
The American standard now is well done hamburger, owing to recent e-coli outbreaks. The chains started this trend by basically saying okay, we can’t prevent tainted meat but we can cook the taint out of it. Now, it’s rare … ahem … to see an undercooked burger when eating out.
You can add water and fat to ground beef fairly easily, but the flavor is a lot better when it’s natural fat and moisture.
There’s a place down here that basically follows your scheme except that they cook the burgers over a hot charcoal fire, right in front of the customer. Best store bought Burger in Arizona.
chopper
sorry, but i declared a jihad on well-done beef years ago. why destroy all the beef flavor? growing up my parents cooked the hell outta steaks, and while they were good i found them a million times better cooked just under medium rare.
i’d rather taste the beef than a bunch of additives to make it palatable overcooked. if i want gedempte, i’ll eat a brisket or short ribs or a stew.
Krista
Oh well, steaks. That’s a whole separate thing. I cook those medium rare, thank you very much. But yeah, I’ve bought into the ground beef fear and cook mine well-done, or at the very least, medium-well.
And you can still taste the beef flavour, Mister Crankypants.
TZ – no idea what fat content I like in the ground beef. I just go to Sobey’s, and pick up the stuff that says “Medium”. You can’t go with lean or extra-lean — it just falls apart unless you start adding binding agents like egg to it. And then, what was the point of getting lean beef if you’re adding in eggs? The Worcestershire and onion soup are just to enhance the beef flavour. I should try it sometime with just beef, no extras, to see if it’s just as good.
Goddamn. That Lean Cuisine I brought for my lunch is now not looking too appetizing.
demimondian
Well, yes and no. The causative agent for vCJD is in the animal, unlike the shit that’s on the animal, so you’re right in that. However, the pathogen concentrates in CNS tissue, so if they grind muscle (e.g. real meat, not “the stuff that’s left over and is vaguely suitable for human consumption”…and which is ground into ground beef), then the risk of vCJD is greatly reduced. Muscle has a tiny bit of the pathogen, but many orders of magnitude less.
(And, as to avoiding E. coli. You’re more likely to avoid an infection with grain fed beef, since the animal’s stomach pH is far higher than ours, so the stuff that is in the shit won’t get past the stomach and into the intestine. Better, though, is to buy from a abattoir that separates the fecal matter from the steer thoroughly. Best is to blanch a solid block of muscle in boiling water for about thirty seconds, and grind the result in a sterilized grinder and serve/prepare immediately. The blanching removes any bacteria on the surface, and the result is as close to aseptic as possible.)
Demi “who loves steak tartare” Mondian
RSA
Despite their having “added flavor to taste”? Or maybe that’s another company’s TV commercial. (But WTF does that mean, anyway?)
Krista
I have no idea. It actually didn’t taste too bad — they’ve gotten better over the years. I’m convinced, however, that the only reason they’re low in calories is because the portions are similar to what you’d serve a 5-year-old child.
demimondian
And which is about how much a sedentary adult needs.
Demi “who does not eat reasonable portions” mondian
TenguPhule
Warning, that is incorrect. Grainfed beef is how the bad E-coli sprang up in the first place.
Krista
I’m pretty sure I don’t qualify as being sedentary (in the last 7 days, I ran 2.5 miles three times, and cleared brush/cut firewood for 8 hours.)
I guess that explains why it’s 2 hours post-lunch, and I’m hungry.
demimondian
I’d like a cite for that — I looked that up, and McCay suggests otherwise, but I’m perfectly willing to be wrong.
demimondian
It would do that.
Then again, if that’s your usual level of activity, you really should be able to eat as much as you want and not put much weight on. Perhaps you don’t really need to diet?
demimondian
I ran around and did a bit more research. O157:H7 was originally clonal, but is diversifying observably, so is almost certainly of recent origin. The first case was observed in 1975, and the rate of observation has been rising steadily. Now, what’s important about O157:H7 is that it’s acid tolerant, and so can survive in bulk in the low pH environment of a corn-fed steer. (I typed ‘grain fed”, when I meant to type “grass fed”. I’m guessing that my typo is what led to your comment: corn fed beef is, indeed, the source of, O157:H7.)
chopper
here’s one that quotes research in the late 90’s published in Science stating in effect:
the more acidic environment is actually better for e.coli, which is why it survives the human stomach so easily.
here’s more..
chopper
true, but proper butchering techniques are not really stuck to these days in the factory-type cattle industry. it’s easy to get a lil nervous tissue ground up in yer meat.
the thing about the prion that causes mad cow is that it’s incredibly hard to get rid of. cooking the meat isn’t enough. really, cooking under high pressure and at high temperature for like 30 minutes will do the job, and i’m talking the type of pressure and temperature used to turn organic matter into pseudo-crude oil.
when info about modern thermal depolymerization techniques first started coming out they pointed out that the pressure and temperature used were actually enough to destroy mad cow prions. wacky.
TenguPhule
Cliff notes version: High Acid environment from eating grain allows the bad e-coli to thrive. This same e-coli can then survive the high acid in the human stomach.
You want grass/range fed beef to minimize that kind of risk.
demimondian
[Demi throws hands up in surrender]
Yes, you’re right. I made a typo, typing “grain” for “grass”. “Grass fed, good; grain fed, bad.”
Just one minor quibble: you damned well better have E Coli in your colon, dudes and dudettes; otherwise, you’re going to have serious dehydration problems in short order. It’s one particular clone of E. coli that’s trouble for us, O157:H7.
chopper
definitely. a bit pedantic tho, when you mention “e.coli” most all know you’re talking about the bad strain.
lucky for me, i just found a local source for kosher, organic, free range beef and chicken. i finally hit the trifecta! if only they had nice steaks instead of chuck…
TenguPhule
Viva la France! :P
Seriously, though. I figured it was probably a typo on your part, but there are people here *cough**Darrell**cough*, dumb enough not to get it.
demimondian
chopper:
Well, yes. Why do you ask?
Demi “pedantic is my (first) middle name” mondian
ThymeZone
The black sheep of the coli family. As it were.
Andrew
That’s why I add the bacon, ham, eggs, cheese, and avocado.
So that I die from heart disease first.
chopper
the jerky muscle contractions and trouble standing that come with CJD are harder to notice when you’re 600 pounds and sittin in a rascal scooter.