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Most Underrated Culinary Combo Ever

by John Cole|  January 14, 200711:31 am| 101 Comments

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Baked a spiral honey ham yesterday, cooked some green beans, and had one of my favorite combos ever- macaroni and cheese ansd steewed tomatoes. Delicious.

Kinda just want the ham to go away now so I can cook some potatoes, ham, and green beans in the crock pot.

Speaking of hams, I saw Stephen Hadley on MTP and This Week with the Greek, and he scared the shit out of me, refusing to be tied down on any questions regarding military action against Iran. Onward Christian Soldiers, I guess.

Consider this an open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Darrell

    January 14, 2007 at 11:42 am

    refusing to be tied down on any questions regarding military action against Iran. Onward Christian Soldiers, I guess.

    Because that’s what this is all about, Crusades II, spreading Christianity to the unwashed heathens in the middle east. Or was it a war for oil and Halliburton? I forget which…

  2. 2.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 11:52 am

    I repeat what I said on an adjacent non-open thread:

    A clip of the Bush interview from tonight’s Sixty Minutes program is appearing on the morning talk shows.

    Watch the interview, and ask yourself: Why is this man smiling when he talks about a war?

    An ongoing war, a war that is killing people right now as we speak, that is despised by the American people and that is not supported in Congress or by the world in general. A war that has pulled his presidency down into abject impotence, made his government essentially unable to function. And he smiles when he talks about it.

    Keep in mind that this is the same man who made a comedy sketch out of looking for weapons of mass destruction under the oval office sofa cushions a couple years ago.

    Explain this to me. Anyone?

  3. 3.

    dslak

    January 14, 2007 at 11:55 am

    Consider this an open thread.

    Or at least another thread on how much Darrell likes pie, because that’s what it will become. But, hey – that’s what every thread apparently is about anyway, isn’t it?

  4. 4.

    RSA

    January 14, 2007 at 12:12 pm

    I like ham, but I like it thickly sliced, salty, and with a rind of fat that crackles up. None of the spiral-sliced versions I’ve come across fit the bill. (I wonder if I sound like a Southerner?)

  5. 5.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 12:16 pm

    Actually, RSA, my Southerner relatives all long spiral sliced ham; I, as the -commie-mutant-traitor- I mean, Yankee infiltrator, am the one who loves the real thing.

    Can’t get it any more, though; American smoked hams are hard to find these days. Most are water treated mush with the right pink coloration.

  6. 6.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 12:21 pm

    So, John, Tim, Tom, and fellow commenters, do *you* honestly think that the administration is trying to create a war with Iran? I keep thinking “no one would be that stupid”, but this *is* the Bush administration we’re talking about.

    They wouldn’t…would they?

  7. 7.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Yes.

    This has been this morning’s edition of Obvious Answers to Simple Questions.

  8. 8.

    dslak

    January 14, 2007 at 12:27 pm

    American smoked hams are hard to find these days

    I think most upscale supermarkets carry Smithfield hams, if not year-round then at least around the holidays.

  9. 9.

    Paddy O'Shea

    January 14, 2007 at 12:27 pm

    Cubed Spam with Campbell’s pork and beans is a hearty treat on a cold winter’s day. Mix in some bacon fat and pour the concoction over a couple slabs of sourdough bread and you’re on your way to some good wholesome eating.

    Speaking of pig meat, Matt Drudge (of all people) gives some insight into what an ass Bush makes of himself on 60 Minutes this evening.

    Apparently Scott Pelley nails Prexy’s little cloven hooves to the floorboards.

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm

  10. 10.

    Louise

    January 14, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    Explain this to me. Anyone?

    All potential answers are scary, but you know that.

    This is informative, and this post and thread are a ton of fun.

    Most people who seek powerful positions like the presidency have to be “outside the norm” in some way, I think — but unfortunately, GWBush is the scary kind: a damaged person who is unaware or deliberately dismissive of his own pathology.

    What I find unacceptable is the number of people who have enabled him, either out of ignorance or — more likely and more heinously — in the pursuit of power for themselves.

  11. 11.

    Paddy O'Shea

    January 14, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    Louise – This is informative as well ..

    One Flew Over The White House?

    Can it be that our president is not just wrong, not just stubborn, not just acting on sinister but purposeful motives, but mad as a hatter? Is the President of the United States of America mentally ill?

    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/node/4706

  12. 12.

    Darrell

    January 14, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    So, John, Tim, Tom, and fellow commenters, do you honestly think that the administration is trying to create a war with Iran?

    Iran is flooding Iraq with arms, supplies and insurgents trying to kill our troops and also kill Iraqis. They are largest state sponsor of terrorism. Diplomacy through Europeans and the UN has been ineffective. What do you think we should be doing about Iran?

    Maybe if we all ‘hope for peace’ long enough and hard enough, maybe then the mullahs will end their support of terrorism and abandon their nuclear ambitions..

  13. 13.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Is the President of the United States of America mentally ill?

    Well, he’s got a personality disorder, but, yes. In that sense, yes, he is.

    He thinks Iraq is about him, his power, his ability to weasel and cheat his way to get what he wants.

    Why else would he smile when he talks about it? Do the people you know smile when they talk about mass death and destruction? That is to say, mass death and destruction over which they have control?

    When I look at the drunken little shit’s face, I think of Charles Manson and that shitty smirk.

  14. 14.

    dslak

    January 14, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Oh, and when I say “around the holidays,” I obviously mean “around Christmas.” I don’t want the opening salvos in this year’s War on Christmas to be unleashed just yet.

  15. 15.

    Darrell

    January 14, 2007 at 12:43 pm

    When I look at the drunken little shit’s face, I think of Charles Manson and that shitty smirk.

    Textbook example of BDS

  16. 16.

    Paddy O'Shea

    January 14, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    TZ: Yeah, that is a good take. The idea that Bush is somehow the indispensible man in the war on terror, and that without him at the helm the West would be lost to a wave of unholy terror, is just plain nuts.

    George W. Bush seems to believe that he is all that stands between us and mass annihilation.

    Which is why he is a batshit loony.

  17. 17.

    RSA

    January 14, 2007 at 1:21 pm

    Actually, RSA, my Southerner relatives all long spiral sliced ham; I, as the commiemutant-traitor- I mean, Yankee infiltrator, am the one who loves the real thing.

    How the hell can I become a Southerner if all my stereotypes are wrong?!

  18. 18.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    Which is why he is a batshit loony.

    It’s among a long list of reasons, I think, why we should consider him completely deranged and dangerous.

    I like the way Louis Black puts it:

    “I listen to him speak, and the only conclusion I can come to is that one of us is nuts. And it isn’t me.”

    One can’t consider even one assertion from the lunatic without concluding that he is a menace to the American experiment.

    “Bush says his critics don’t have a better plan.”

    Get it? The guy can spend six years completely fucking up everything he touches, but unless you have a magic plan to fix what he’s fucked, you shouldn’t criticize him. You should just roll over and accept his next collossal screwup as if the previous fifty hadn’t ever happened.

    “Bush says opposing his plan sends the wrong message to troops.”

    Say what? We should accede to another n years of his useless war in order to keep a smiling face on for the troops?

    One wonders how they can gin this stuff in the White House with a straight face. They appear to just be fucking with us and laughing at us at this point.

  19. 19.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 1:49 pm

    No, Bush isn’t a batshit loony. Although I think that Dr. Minot is right that the president shows many of the features of a person with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder, many people with serious personality disorders function well socially, cause themselves and others no great discomfort, and are highly effective in their positions. NPD, in particular, is a useful cluster of behaviors and opinions to have if you’re a serial entrepreneur; the combination of insecurity and ridiculous self-esteem can keep you going through periods when a normal would throw in the towel.

    (The intelligent reader might think immediately of Steve Jobs in that case. I suspect that the intelligent reader would be onto something.)

    Charles Manson was batshit crazy. Charles Manson is a psychopathic sociopath. It’s unlikely that G. W. Bush is a psychopath, at least on the basis of the behavior of others towards him; paradoxically, he doesn’t have enough enemies in his own party for that. G.W. Bush may exhibit symptoms of a personality disorder, but he is not batshit crazy.

  20. 20.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    Are ya paying any attention, Demi?

    The motherfucker made jokes about looking for WMDs in the Oval Office.

    You and I have different ideas of what’s crazy. He’s fucking crazy.

  21. 21.

    Paddy O'Shea

    January 14, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Demi the Bill Frist of mental health analysis.

  22. 22.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 1:56 pm

    Demi is a doctor who became a billionaire by selling out to corporate interests?

  23. 23.

    Paddy O'Shea

    January 14, 2007 at 2:01 pm

    TZ: If Demi can’t play the enlightened voice of reason she becomes uncomfortable. Demi just has to be the expert. Typical bourgeois professional class behavior.

    It is pretty much the reason why Goop, herself, and the others of that silly claque can’t spoof effectively. They are so enamored of their self-perceived status that they can’t ever let it go, and it gives them up every time.

  24. 24.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    Textbook example of BDS

    BDS? Bullshit Darrell Statement.

  25. 25.

    Pb

    January 14, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    Baked a spiral honey ham yesterday, cooked some green beans, and had one of my favorite combos ever- macaroni and cheese ansd steewed tomatoes. Delicious.

    I was with you all the way until the tomatoes–I’d go for apple sauce instead.

    refusing to be tied down on any questions regarding military action against Iran

    A neo-con not ruling out military action against Iran? I’m shocked–shocked, I tell you. Seriously, people, I saw this coming nearly four years ago–I’m just surprised it took them this long, and no doubt they are too. Idiots.

  26. 26.

    srv

    January 14, 2007 at 2:16 pm

    Iran is flooding Iraq with arms, supplies and insurgents

    As always, Darrell with his undocumented lies. Please show us documentation of this “flood”.

  27. 27.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 2:22 pm

    You know, srv, I think it’s probable that Iran is flooding Southern Iraq with arms, supplies, and insurgents — well, the insurgents are home-grown, but, it’s all Iran’s fault anyway — of course, they’re the good guy Shia except when it serves our purposes to have always been at war with SCIRI.

    But who cares about facts?

  28. 28.

    Tim F.

    January 14, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    BDS? Bullshit Darrell Statement.

    Um no, Bush Defense Syndrome. And Darrell is certainly right about that.

  29. 29.

    Tim F.

    January 14, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    It would be very smart for Iran to flood Iraq with weapons and training. Keeps our land forces busy when the might otherwise be thinking about moving east. That leaves us with only air strikes as a realistic option, which Iran’s leaders would probably not mind at all. Among other benefits, unprovoked airstrikes would cement Iran’s political leadership for the forseeable future and they would create a huge sympathy for Iran in the mideast. Needless to say airstrikes would not decaptitate their leadership, wouldn’t prevent them from screwing with out oil and wouldn’t stop a nuclear program when we don’t even know where most of it is. Win-win-win as far as they’re concerned.

    Random thought, sure would be nice if we had invested in alternative energy and efficiency. One hundred billion dollars can buy quite a lot of oil independence.

  30. 30.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    The motherfucker made jokes about looking for WMDs in the Oval Office.

    You and I have different ideas of what’s crazy. He’s fucking crazy.

    Herb, I make dead baby jokes. That doesn’t mean I want babies dead, and it doesn’t mean I’m crazy.

    Same for Bush. Is he a tasteless, self-centered twit? Yup. That doesn’t make him crazy, though; lots of people are tasteless self-centered twits, and aren’t crazy.

    If knowing the difference between the two means that you and I have different views of the word crazy, then, I guess you’re right. We have different definitions of the word crazy.

  31. 31.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 2:31 pm

    [S]ure would [have been] nice if we had invested in alternative energy and efficiency. One hundred billion dollars can buy quite a lot of oil independence.

    Yeah, wouldn’t it? That’s the *other* half of the Carter Doctrine — the one we threw out int he eighties.

  32. 32.

    srv

    January 14, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    demi/tim f,

    At least before the war, they felt a need to gin up the WMD threat, but now there’s really no attempt to provide any evidence for the next war. It’s beyond ridiculous:

    1) Various wingnuts have insisted that Iran is supplying the Sunni (like the Sadrist wouldn’t find out?)
    2) After all the crap they’ve spewed, the best they can come up with is an Iranian consulate in Kurdistan? Sheesh.
    3) Is there a single documented Iranian who has been arrested supplying the Sunni or Shia?
    4) Not even a single drone video of the floods of Iranians streaming across the border? Or the Iranian camps training all these bad Iraqis?

    Of course the Iranians have an interest in the outcome, but since the “evidence” should be trivial to demonstrate, it doesn’t back up any of y’alls theories.

  33. 33.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    We have different definitions of the word crazy.

    Yeah, and your whole silly post would have made more sense if maybe you were a president of a large country that happened to be four years into an illegal, dishonest and useless war right now.

    But, uh, given the differences between yourself and the person in question, you’ll understand if I toss your post into the nearest crapper.

    Bush is a world leader with the power of life and death over people. When somebody like that makes “dead baby jokes” then the standards are a little different.

    I’m not sure you can understand that, but my basic faith in humanity tells me that one or two other people here will.

  34. 34.

    srv

    January 14, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Snow took issue with a statement by the Iraqi foreign minister that the five Iranians detained by U.S.-led forces in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq were working in a liaison office that had government approval and was in the process of being approved as a consulate.

    The raid was conducted “against something that was originally misreported as an official government facility for the Iranians, and it was not,” Snow said. “It apparently was sort of a liaison place where some Iranians would occasionally come”.

    It was not an official office, Snow said, “and that at least has been the characterization we have gotten out of Iraq”.

    Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, a Kurd, said U.S. forces tried to seize more people at the airport in Irbil, 220 miles north of Baghdad, prompting a confrontation with Kurdish troops guarding the facility that was resolved without casualties.

    Ah, now it isn’t a “consulate”. How interesting. And we wanted to seize more Iranians apparently, but the Kurdish troops guarding their facility didn’t approve.

    Sheesh.

    Darrell, you and all your wingnuts are blatant liars.

  35. 35.

    SeesThroughIt

    January 14, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    I’d go for apple sauce instead.

    That’s one of the things I miss about the east coast. We’ve got applesauce out here on the west coast, but it just ain’t the same. Sorta like how dungeness crab will never, ever be able to replace blue crab.

    When I was a young’in, my mom would make this this baked mac & cheese with chunks of ham in it. It was amazingly good.

  36. 36.

    chopper

    January 14, 2007 at 2:49 pm

    Herb, I make dead baby jokes. That doesn’t mean I want babies dead, and it doesn’t mean I’m crazy.

    if you were the president and made some dead baby jokes at a press conference about a war you started that killed an assload of babies, i’d think you were crazy.

  37. 37.

    chopper

    January 14, 2007 at 2:50 pm

    ham? you eat that filthy animal?

  38. 38.

    OCSteve

    January 14, 2007 at 2:52 pm

    Sorta like how dungeness crab will never, ever be able to replace blue crab.

    There is no crab but blue.

    I make a killer mac & cheese with ham from scratch. I actually prefer the Kraft box mix, but my wife won’t allow it in the house.

  39. 39.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    January 14, 2007 at 2:59 pm

    Bush has yelled ‘WOLF!’ too many times to count, yet not a single wolf has been found (nor has Osama, remember him?). Sorry, I did not bite the first time he yelled it, and I am not buying it now.

    When this is all said and done (please), years from now I will be able to proudly say that though I supported going into Afghanistan and finding Osama, I have always spoken out against going into Iraq (or anywhere else without a REAL provocation). Not only that, on 9/11 I predicted that we would be going after Saddam, one way or another, before Bush was out of office. My friends are witnesses, and even the pro Bush crowd among them have had their fill of his shennanigans.

    Sometimes though, I hate being right about things. In this case, I wish I had been wrong. I could have lived with it.

    Oh yeah, please don’t feed the Darrell troll…

  40. 40.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 3:21 pm

    Right. Sorry, Herb, I forgot that You Are Always Right. Except, in this case, you’re wrong.

    Apparently, you want Dubya to be “crazy”. I doubt he is. Maladjusted, surely, probably a total shit to work for, yes, self-centered and lacking in empathy, yes. But “batshit crazy” means delusional and hallucinating to me, and I don’t think he is.

    Personally, I don’t understand why it matters if he’s batshit loony or not — I’d really love to have somebody explain it to me.

  41. 41.

    Andrew

    January 14, 2007 at 4:01 pm

    You call that a culinary combo?

    Imagine, if you will, the following: Rare beer hamburger, ham AND bacon, fried egg, tomato, lettuce, blue cheese, avacado, and mushrooms. Now imagine them all between one hamburger bun. THAT is a culinary combo.

  42. 42.

    tBone

    January 14, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    TZ: If Demi can’t play the enlightened voice of reason she becomes uncomfortable. Demi just has to be the expert. Typical bourgeois professional class behavior.

    It is pretty much the reason why Goop, herself, and the others of that silly claque can’t spoof effectively. They are so enamored of their self-perceived status that they can’t ever let it go, and it gives them up every time.

    This has been today’s edition of How Many Ways Can You Be Wrong in a Single Post?

  43. 43.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    Apparently, you want Dubya to be “crazy”

    Go away, you annoying ankle biter. My argument doesn’t fail because “I want Dubya to be craz.” I’ve been arguing that he is crazy for two years. I stand on my evaluation of him.

    If you don’t like it, shove it up your ass.

    It doesn’t matter to you whether he’s crazy or not?

    Well, that drunken slip of the tongue fails on two levels.

    One, you’ve wasted some time today arguing with me about something you now say you don’t care about. Two, the fucking guy is a world leader and is killing people on a daily basis. It should matter to you.

    But, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. Now go away.

  44. 44.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 4:23 pm

    Oh, and { raspberry } to the Seahawks.

  45. 45.

    AkaDad

    January 14, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    Textbook example of BDS

    Textbook example of how a man-crush on Bush could force someone to make up a medical condition, and then diagnose others with it.

  46. 46.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 4:36 pm

    Oh, and { raspberry } to the Seahawks.Who are the Seahawks?

  47. 47.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    WASHINGTON (CNN) — Two out of three Americans oppose President Bush’s plan to send more troops to Iraq, a CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Friday indicates.

    Nearly two-thirds of those polled also say Bush has no clear plan for Iraq.

    While his numbers have inched up slightly on that question since the previous poll last week, Bush’s address to the nation Wednesday night seems to have made little difference.

    Nah, he’s not crazy. Just a little eccentric, maybe:

    President Bush, facing opposition from both parties over his plan to send more troops to Iraq, said he has the authority to act no matter what Congress wants. “I’ve made my decision, and we’re going forward,” Bush told CBS’ “60 Minutes. Vice President Dick Cheney asserted that lawmakers’ criticism will not influence Bush’s plans and dismissed any effort to “run a war by committee.”

    Fuck the people, I’m gonna do what I want.

    Einstein: Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.

  48. 48.

    fwiffo

    January 14, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    I thought the most underrated culinary combo ever was peanut butter and bacon? Or peanut butter and anything for that matter…

  49. 49.

    Hyperion

    January 14, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Who are the Seahawks?

    losers!

    just my opinion but…demi and TZ need a time out.

  50. 50.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 4:54 pm

    just my opinion but…demi and TZ need a time out.

    We’re just suffering for BDS (baiting Darrell syntdrome). Don’t worry, it’ll pass.

  51. 51.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    “This is an existential conflict,” Cheney said. “It is the kind of conflict that’s going to drive our policy and our government for the next 20 or 30 or 40 years. We have to prevail and we have to have the stomach for the fight long term.”

    These crazy fucks have driven public support from 75 percent to 25 percent in a little over three years, and they are talking about 40 years of war?

    No, they aren’t nuts. They’re just a little ….. odd.

  52. 52.

    Krista

    January 14, 2007 at 6:01 pm

    I thought the most underrated culinary combo ever was peanut butter and bacon? Or peanut butter and anything for that matter

    Glad to find a kindred spirit. As a child, I always wanted peanut butter on my hot dogs. It’s actually really, really good, but I got shamed out of asking for it as the years passed.

  53. 53.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    No, they aren’t nuts. They’re just a little ….. odd.

    Well, history *is* on their side in this one. The cold war was never popular during it’s course.

  54. 54.

    zzyzx

    January 14, 2007 at 6:20 pm

    We easily could have won that game, but the Hawks have some serious holes so I can’t complain too much about our season.

  55. 55.

    jake

    January 14, 2007 at 6:40 pm

    I like ham, but I like it thickly sliced, salty, and with a rind of fat that crackles up.

    Yum! With a big slice of sweet potato pie. I had spiral sliced recently and was not impressed.

    And speaking of pigs, the Deciderator is an addict who “treated” himself with prayer. Anyone who has spent time (or been) an untreated addict can tell you how much havoc your average addict can create. Now imagine the addict is faced with a crisis and he happens to have an entire army at his disposal.

  56. 56.

    ChristieS

    January 14, 2007 at 6:50 pm

    John said:

    “”Baked a spiral honey ham yesterday, cooked some green beans, and had one of my favorite combos ever- macaroni and cheese ansd steewed tomatoes. Delicious.””

    PB said:

    “I was with you all the way until the tomatoes—I’d go for apple sauce instead.

    No, he means you mix the mac/cheese with the stewed tomatoes. It’s yummy. I don’t think I’d like to try mixing mac/cheese with applesauce. I’d have to see if the cats would eat it, first. They’re the “mikey” in our house.

  57. 57.

    Larv

    January 14, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    Rare beer hamburger, ham AND bacon, fried egg, tomato, lettuce, blue cheese, avacado, and mushrooms. Now imagine them all between one hamburger bun. THAT is a culinary combo.

    What about the rich, creamery butter?

  58. 58.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 7:01 pm

    The cold war was never popular during it’s course.

    Sure it was. “Duck and Cover” was our favorite song.

  59. 59.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 7:02 pm

    With a big slice of sweet potato pie. I had spiral sliced recently and was not impressed.

    Yeuch. Bleah. Sweet potato pie? Somebody, please, get me my extra-strength mental image bleach.

    I don’t like spiral sliced, either. I want ham that behaves like ham, not thin slices of gluey, sweet and salt-flavored sponge cake.

  60. 60.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 7:03 pm

    “Duck and Cover” was our favorite song.

    And you sang it at repeated screenings of _Reefer Madness_, right? Yeah, I was there, too.

  61. 61.

    ThymeZone

    January 14, 2007 at 7:30 pm

    And you sang it at repeated screenings of Reefer Madness, right?

    Exactly. That’s how we learned of the evils of the drug.

    Commies and drugs. The big threats.

  62. 62.

    jake

    January 14, 2007 at 7:40 pm

    Yeuch. Bleah. Sweet potato pie?

    Demi is a damnyankee! I bet you like pumpkin pie AND speak French.

  63. 63.

    OCSteve

    January 14, 2007 at 7:52 pm

    Commies and drugs. The big threats.

    Or a decent combination. I always felt that commies were much easier to deal with when on drugs (they made more sense).

  64. 64.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 7:55 pm

    I bet you like pumpkin pie AND speak French.

    Guilty as charged.

  65. 65.

    chopper

    January 14, 2007 at 7:56 pm

    Rare beer hamburger

    that does sound delicious. how do you get the beer in the burger, do you soak it?

  66. 66.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 8:24 pm

    Rare beer hamburger

    Is it all right if I use common beer, instead?

  67. 67.

    maf54

    January 14, 2007 at 9:23 pm

    that does sound delicious. how do you get the beer in the burger, do you soak it?

    No, silly, you make the cow drink it.

    Just like Kobe Beef, but way more American.

  68. 68.

    maf54

    January 14, 2007 at 9:24 pm

    I like beef of all kinds, by the way.

  69. 69.

    SeesThroughIt

    January 14, 2007 at 10:01 pm

    I thought the most underrated culinary combo ever was peanut butter and bacon?

    Thank you! I loved peanut butter and bacon sandwiches when I was a kid–I had them in lieu of BLTs. Yet when I mention that to people, they give me a look like I just told them I enjoyed eating phlegm sandwiches. PB&B, people! (Why yes, I am a heart attack waiting to happen…why do you ask?)

    I always felt that commies were much easier to deal with when on drugs (they made more sense).

    Well, if you can be communal with weed (evereybody put in their little bit, and we’ll have enough to roll a blunt!), why can’t you be communal with everything, right? Or something. All I know is that my friends and I solved all the world’s problems while high…then, the next day, couldn’t quite remember how we did it.

  70. 70.

    Andrew

    January 14, 2007 at 10:06 pm

    Ha ha, fellas.

    As for the rare beef, I was referring to Ted’s Montana Grill, which is one of the better chain restaurants I’ve ever eaten at. They grind the beef in house so you can get reasonably mad cow and e-coli-free rare hamburgers, and they’re only about $8 or 9.

    /commercial plug

  71. 71.

    RSA

    January 14, 2007 at 10:24 pm

    Only time I’ve ever had bison was in a burger at Ted’s. Pretty good.

  72. 72.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 10:49 pm

    Sounds like I’ll need to try this place.

    Not that it’ll ever make it to Seattle in my life time.

  73. 73.

    TenguPhule

    January 14, 2007 at 11:07 pm

    I would like to Celebrate this thread that has successfully ignored Darrell in it.

  74. 74.

    demimondian

    January 14, 2007 at 11:37 pm

    I didn’t even realize that Darrell liked pie in this thread.

  75. 75.

    rachel

    January 15, 2007 at 2:11 am

    I like pie. I like sweet potato pie–and I want some now.

    And I like PBB sandwiches, too.

  76. 76.

    Ted

    January 15, 2007 at 6:15 am

    Only time I’ve ever had bison was in a burger at Ted’s. Pretty good.

    I don’t recall making you a bison burger, but I have had a bison steak. Interestingly different, but kinda gamey.

  77. 77.

    RSA

    January 15, 2007 at 9:14 am

    I was the one who drank all your beer. (Your rare beer, that is.)

  78. 78.

    chopper

    January 15, 2007 at 10:05 am

    No, silly, you make the cow drink it.

    Just like Kobe Beef, but way more American.

    “i’ll have the 3/4 pound budweiser freedom burger please.”

    ick. budweiser.

    as to grinding beef in-house, i don’t know if that does anything for e.coli or mad cow. mad cow disease doesn’t care if you grind the meat or when or where or how you cook it, it’s still there.

    and e.coli doesn’t care either; it’s more prevalent in ground beef because it tends to hang out on the surfaces of cuts which are usually the first part to be cooked. when it’s ground it gets spread throughout the meat making it more dangerous, no matter when it was ground.

    the only things to me that make sense regarding stopping e.coli in yer ground beef is 1) to make sure the cuts being ground are clean/sterilized on the outside somehow or, more easily, 2) using pasture-raised beef. i’d say 3) having your burger well-done, but in that case why even bother in the first place? if you want a beef-flavored hockey puck just go to the sporting goods store with a jar of bullion in hand.

    e.coli is really a product of the factory-farming practice of feeding cows grain. cows can’t handle grain as they’re designed to graze, so grain really butchers their stomachs. causes all sorts of ulcers and stomach ailments, hence the typical cow overloaded with antibiotics (doesn’t help to raise them in pens on top of each other). grain-fed stomachs have a different pH than those of grass-fed animals, creating an environment where e.coli can thrive and multiply all over the place. and unsanitary (read: cheap-ass) butchering practices cause stomach contents to occasionally mix in with the meat causing trouble.

    besides, who wants to eat a cow that suffered all its life living in a sh1tty pen with stomach ulcers just to save a few bucks?

  79. 79.

    Krista

    January 15, 2007 at 10:24 am

    3) having your burger well-done, but in that case why even bother in the first place? if you want a beef-flavored hockey puck just go to the sporting goods store with a jar of bullion in hand.

    Nonsense. Hamburgers can be well-done and still be juicy and flavourful. You practically have to wear a bib when eating my burgers. Just make sure you get medium ground beef, not the lean stuff. Mix in some dried onion soup mix and some Worcestershire sauce. Use 1/4 lb. of ground beef per patty, and make the patties fairly broad and flat. Make sure your grill is searing hot, slap those puppies on there, turn the heat down to medium. Cook ’em for a couple of minutes, flip them only once, and never, ever, ever, ever press on them. After a few more minutes, give your thickest burger a bit of a poke with your finger. Take your thumb and stick it between your ring and pinky finger on the same hand (it’ll look like the type of fist that’d get your thumb broken if you actually punched anybody with it), and give a poke to the pad of flesh on the back of your hand between your thumb and index finger. If the resilence is the same as that of your burger, your burger’s well-done. Take it off the grill, and let it sit for about three minutes prior to eating it, to let the juices redistribute.

    Believe me, I know hockey pucks, and a well-done burger, when done right, is no hockey puck.

  80. 80.

    ThymeZone

    January 15, 2007 at 10:51 am

    Good job Krista.

    All very good information.

    What percent of fat do you like in your ground beef? The American trend is toward very lean … which produces a dry burger no matter what you do with it. No goodsky.

    The American standard now is well done hamburger, owing to recent e-coli outbreaks. The chains started this trend by basically saying okay, we can’t prevent tainted meat but we can cook the taint out of it. Now, it’s rare … ahem … to see an undercooked burger when eating out.

    You can add water and fat to ground beef fairly easily, but the flavor is a lot better when it’s natural fat and moisture.

    There’s a place down here that basically follows your scheme except that they cook the burgers over a hot charcoal fire, right in front of the customer. Best store bought Burger in Arizona.

  81. 81.

    chopper

    January 15, 2007 at 10:53 am

    sorry, but i declared a jihad on well-done beef years ago. why destroy all the beef flavor? growing up my parents cooked the hell outta steaks, and while they were good i found them a million times better cooked just under medium rare.

    i’d rather taste the beef than a bunch of additives to make it palatable overcooked. if i want gedempte, i’ll eat a brisket or short ribs or a stew.

  82. 82.

    Krista

    January 15, 2007 at 11:09 am

    Oh well, steaks. That’s a whole separate thing. I cook those medium rare, thank you very much. But yeah, I’ve bought into the ground beef fear and cook mine well-done, or at the very least, medium-well.

    And you can still taste the beef flavour, Mister Crankypants.

    TZ – no idea what fat content I like in the ground beef. I just go to Sobey’s, and pick up the stuff that says “Medium”. You can’t go with lean or extra-lean — it just falls apart unless you start adding binding agents like egg to it. And then, what was the point of getting lean beef if you’re adding in eggs? The Worcestershire and onion soup are just to enhance the beef flavour. I should try it sometime with just beef, no extras, to see if it’s just as good.

    Goddamn. That Lean Cuisine I brought for my lunch is now not looking too appetizing.

  83. 83.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 11:36 am

    mad cow disease doesn’t care if you grind the meat or when or where or how you cook it, it’s still there.

    Well, yes and no. The causative agent for vCJD is in the animal, unlike the shit that’s on the animal, so you’re right in that. However, the pathogen concentrates in CNS tissue, so if they grind muscle (e.g. real meat, not “the stuff that’s left over and is vaguely suitable for human consumption”…and which is ground into ground beef), then the risk of vCJD is greatly reduced. Muscle has a tiny bit of the pathogen, but many orders of magnitude less.

    (And, as to avoiding E. coli. You’re more likely to avoid an infection with grain fed beef, since the animal’s stomach pH is far higher than ours, so the stuff that is in the shit won’t get past the stomach and into the intestine. Better, though, is to buy from a abattoir that separates the fecal matter from the steer thoroughly. Best is to blanch a solid block of muscle in boiling water for about thirty seconds, and grind the result in a sterilized grinder and serve/prepare immediately. The blanching removes any bacteria on the surface, and the result is as close to aseptic as possible.)

    Demi “who loves steak tartare” Mondian

  84. 84.

    RSA

    January 15, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    That Lean Cuisine I brought for my lunch is now not looking too appetizing.

    Despite their having “added flavor to taste”? Or maybe that’s another company’s TV commercial. (But WTF does that mean, anyway?)

  85. 85.

    Krista

    January 15, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    I have no idea. It actually didn’t taste too bad — they’ve gotten better over the years. I’m convinced, however, that the only reason they’re low in calories is because the portions are similar to what you’d serve a 5-year-old child.

  86. 86.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    the portions are similar to what you’d serve a 5-year-old child.

    And which is about how much a sedentary adult needs.

    Demi “who does not eat reasonable portions” mondian

  87. 87.

    TenguPhule

    January 15, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    You’re more likely to avoid an infection with grain fed beef, since the animal’s stomach pH is far higher than ours, so the stuff that is in the shit won’t get past the stomach and into the intestine.

    Warning, that is incorrect. Grainfed beef is how the bad E-coli sprang up in the first place.

  88. 88.

    Krista

    January 15, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    And which is about how much a sedentary adult needs.

    I’m pretty sure I don’t qualify as being sedentary (in the last 7 days, I ran 2.5 miles three times, and cleared brush/cut firewood for 8 hours.)

    I guess that explains why it’s 2 hours post-lunch, and I’m hungry.

  89. 89.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Grainfed beef is how the bad E-coli sprang up in the first place.

    I’d like a cite for that — I looked that up, and McCay suggests otherwise, but I’m perfectly willing to be wrong.

  90. 90.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 1:50 pm

    guess that explains why it’s 2 hours post-lunch, and I’m hungry.

    It would do that.

    Then again, if that’s your usual level of activity, you really should be able to eat as much as you want and not put much weight on. Perhaps you don’t really need to diet?

  91. 91.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 2:05 pm

    I ran around and did a bit more research. O157:H7 was originally clonal, but is diversifying observably, so is almost certainly of recent origin. The first case was observed in 1975, and the rate of observation has been rising steadily. Now, what’s important about O157:H7 is that it’s acid tolerant, and so can survive in bulk in the low pH environment of a corn-fed steer. (I typed ‘grain fed”, when I meant to type “grass fed”. I’m guessing that my typo is what led to your comment: corn fed beef is, indeed, the source of, O157:H7.)

  92. 92.

    chopper

    January 15, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    I’d like a cite for that

    here’s one that quotes research in the late 90’s published in Science stating in effect:

    Finally, grain-based diets can promote Escherichia coli (E. coli) within the digestive tract of cattle, and these E. coli are more likely to survive acid shocks that mimic the human gastric stomach. This discovery, first reported by Russell and colleagues in 1998 (Science, 11 September), has now been confirmed. Other USDA scientists have likewise shown that cattle switched from grain-based diets to hay were less likely to shed harmful E. coli 0157:H7 in feces.

    the more acidic environment is actually better for e.coli, which is why it survives the human stomach so easily.

    here’s more..

    “Our studies indicate the difference between the grain-fed animals and hay-fed animals could be as much as a million fold in the number of acid-resistant E.coli,” said USDA microbiologist James Russell.

  93. 93.

    chopper

    January 15, 2007 at 2:12 pm

    Well, yes and no. The causative agent for vCJD is in the animal, unlike the shit that’s on the animal, so you’re right in that. However, the pathogen concentrates in CNS tissue, so if they grind muscle (e.g. real meat, not “the stuff that’s left over and is vaguely suitable for human consumption”…and which is ground into ground beef), then the risk of vCJD is greatly reduced. Muscle has a tiny bit of the pathogen, but many orders of magnitude less.

    true, but proper butchering techniques are not really stuck to these days in the factory-type cattle industry. it’s easy to get a lil nervous tissue ground up in yer meat.

    the thing about the prion that causes mad cow is that it’s incredibly hard to get rid of. cooking the meat isn’t enough. really, cooking under high pressure and at high temperature for like 30 minutes will do the job, and i’m talking the type of pressure and temperature used to turn organic matter into pseudo-crude oil.

    when info about modern thermal depolymerization techniques first started coming out they pointed out that the pressure and temperature used were actually enough to destroy mad cow prions. wacky.

  94. 94.

    TenguPhule

    January 15, 2007 at 2:41 pm

    I’d like a cite for that—I looked that up, and McCay suggests otherwise, but I’m perfectly willing to be wrong.

    Cliff notes version: High Acid environment from eating grain allows the bad e-coli to thrive. This same e-coli can then survive the high acid in the human stomach.

    You want grass/range fed beef to minimize that kind of risk.

  95. 95.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    [Demi throws hands up in surrender]

    Yes, you’re right. I made a typo, typing “grain” for “grass”. “Grass fed, good; grain fed, bad.”

    Just one minor quibble: you damned well better have E Coli in your colon, dudes and dudettes; otherwise, you’re going to have serious dehydration problems in short order. It’s one particular clone of E. coli that’s trouble for us, O157:H7.

  96. 96.

    chopper

    January 15, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    Just one minor quibble: you damned well better have E Coli in your colon, dudes and dudettes; otherwise, you’re going to have serious dehydration problems in short order. It’s one particular clone of E. coli that’s trouble for us, O157:H7.

    definitely. a bit pedantic tho, when you mention “e.coli” most all know you’re talking about the bad strain.

    lucky for me, i just found a local source for kosher, organic, free range beef and chicken. i finally hit the trifecta! if only they had nice steaks instead of chuck…

  97. 97.

    TenguPhule

    January 15, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    Demi throws hands up in surrender

    Viva la France! :P

    Seriously, though. I figured it was probably a typo on your part, but there are people here *cough**Darrell**cough*, dumb enough not to get it.

  98. 98.

    demimondian

    January 15, 2007 at 4:06 pm

    chopper:

    a bit pedantic tho

    Well, yes. Why do you ask?

    Demi “pedantic is my (first) middle name” mondian

  99. 99.

    ThymeZone

    January 15, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    It’s one particular clone of E. coli that’s trouble for us, O157:H7.

    The black sheep of the coli family. As it were.

  100. 100.

    Andrew

    January 15, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    the thing about the prion that causes mad cow is that it’s incredibly hard to get rid of.

    That’s why I add the bacon, ham, eggs, cheese, and avocado.

    So that I die from heart disease first.

  101. 101.

    chopper

    January 15, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    the jerky muscle contractions and trouble standing that come with CJD are harder to notice when you’re 600 pounds and sittin in a rascal scooter.

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