Is my life turning into Groundhog Day, or didn’t this already happen:
Barack Obama (news, bio, voting record) announced his bid for president Saturday, a black man evoking Abraham Lincoln’s ability to unite a nation and a Democrat portraying himself as a fresh face capable of leading a new generation.
“Let us transform this nation,” he told thousands shivering in the cold at the campaign’s kickoff.
Obama, 45, is the youngest candidate in the Democrats’ 2008 primary field dominated by front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and filled with more experienced lawmakers. In an address from the state capital where he began his elective career 10 years ago, the first-term U.S. senator sought to distinguish himself as a staunch opponent of the Iraq war and a White House hopeful whose lack of political experience is an asset.
“I know I haven’t spent a lot of time learning the ways of Washington. But I’ve been there long enough to know that the ways of Washington must change,” Obama said to some of the loudest applause of his 20-minute speech.
Obama is looking to cap his remarkable, rapid rise to prominence with the biggest political prize of all â the presidency. His elective career began just 10 years ago in the Illinois Legislature. He lost a bid for a U.S. House seat, then won the Senate seat in 2004, a relatively smooth election made easier by GOP stumbles.
I could have sworn he already declared, and that was why we were talking about him.
SomeCallMeTim
He formed a committee previously, I think.
Remfin
IIRC he formed an “exploratory committee” originally, which is how you declare without actually declaring(if it’s done publically and not quietly). This event is when you give the actual speech and say you’re running
I don’t think Hillary has declared yet either
Pb
You must be thinking of the pre-announcement announcement to announce the announcement.
KC
Amen. Got to love those pre-announcement announcements to announce announcements.
Rome Again
He’s just keeping his name front and center, what’s wrong with that? After all, it’s not everyday that a candidate’s competition is the former first lady. EVERYBODY knows her!
Rome Again
I like the announcement to pre-announce the announcement of the announcement, personally.
ThymeZone
I think we are talking about because he has something to say.
I heard the speech and was quite impressed.
He basically expressed the view of the last 6 years made popular here on this very blog.
A view I find to be pretty much right on the mark.
Rome Again
Absolutely TZ, I can’t see Hillary saying such things, and for that reason, she’ll never get my vote.
BUT, everybody KNOWS Hillary, so there are still those who have no fucking clue what they are doing in a voting booth who will still check off Hillary’s name because she’s the former first lady, a household name , and for no other reason.
ThymeZone
I agree, Rome. Hillary has that recognition and the machine and the money …. but something tells me that Obama can catch up to her by dint of his intellect and speechifying.
I hope so, I like good speechifying.
Rome Again
I know you do. You may not realize it, but I’m fully aware of that.
ThymeZone
Mah fella Amurricans! Ahem!
{ crowd flees }
Rome Again
Running for President TZ?
Darrell
He’s already spouting talking points straight from the far left playbook. He’s going to have a tough time attracting mainstream voters if he keeps that up.
Darrell
That’s funny, I thought the same exact thing when I heard him on CNN. I could have sworn he had already announced that he would run.
Jimmy Mack
It’ll be interesting to see which way he goes. On the one hand, I think he has a lot of moderate tendencies, on the other, is it fair to say that he is indeed using talking points from the far left playbook. My guess is that he’ll try to swing back to the center if he gets the nomination. But it will be a tough balancing act, appealing to middle American while keeping the kossacks happy.
ThymeZone
Welp, thread over.
That was fast.
Thanks John, Tim, for all the support.
craigie
No, that was Osama. This guy’s name is Obama. Get it right, will ya?
craigie
Right, because (sing it with me now) the truth has a liberal bias.
Paddy O'Shea
Presdiential image changes now under serious consideration by administration image handlers:
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v225198kShaDDtk
Paddy O'Shea
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA): Global Warming May Have Been Caused By ‘Dinosaur Flatulence’
http://thinkprogess.org/2007/02/10/dino-flatulence
Rome Again
Darrell, let’s face it, you’re not really “mainstream” and you wouldn’t know what those voters really care about.
You’re nuts if you think the gay agenda plays in mainstream America. Furthermore, the immigration issue doesn’t play as strongly towards isolationist feelings as you may think.
Rome Again
ROTFLMFAO, what will they think up next?
ThymeZone
Thanks to John Cole, this blog is forever stuck in 2004 and the same fucking blatherings of Darrell that he posted back then. A simple piece of software would recycle his crap and repost it now, saving him the trouble of doing it himself.
Jimmy Mack
I think the point is that the gay agenda doesn’t play in mainstream America. Personally, I could care less about gay marriage or civil unions (if people want to marry, let them marry), but it’s a tough issue for liberals in middle America. I tend to think it may sink Giuliani as well (which is too bad).
ThymeZone
Giuliani is a fascist prick.
Rome Again
Thank you for pointing that out! It needed to be said.
Darrell
Why do you all call him that?
ThymeZone
On 9-10-01 he was widely disliked.
That’s the way it should be.
Rome Again
Personally, I call him an asshole. You?
Rome Again
Agreed!
ThymeZone
Your point is taken …but we damn all assholes with such speech.
He’s a sociopath as far as I’m concerned, a guy who sheds crocodile tears at police funerals but waves off the insane murder of innocent people by trigger happy police.
Fuck him. I think he has enough negatives to do him in as a candidate. The way he treated his wife and his subordinates will be getting some play. The man is a bully.
Rome Again
I think the point is Darrell wouldn’t know mainstream if it kicked him in the ass, and I’m not so sure you would either Jimmy, to be quite honest. You two seem like peas in a pod to me.
ThymeZone
Maybe Jimmy is Darrell’s Life Coach?
Rome Again
Thank you teacher, I bow to your wisdom once again.
Darrell
Wow.. so Giuliani is a “fascist prick”, who is a “sociopath” that sheds crocodile tears at police funerals. When leftist vermin like TZ unleash that much hatred, you can bet that whoever he’s talking about is one helluva good guy, and a threat to the Kossack agenda.
He must be demonized! (fascist prick, sociopath, etc, etc)
ThymeZone
From the lying piece of crap troll who shits on everybody in the world that disagrees with him.
Come on Darrell, you v me. Let’s have a vote, one of us gets off the island.
Come on, you fucking coward. You spineless piece of feces.
Rome Again
Just because your nemesis said it, it must not be true? Do you always compartmentalize your logic just so Darrell? I’m aghast with amazement, really, that you would allow the personal feelings of ordinary people to steer your politics so.
ThymeZone
Bow? You mean like “Buttons and Bows?”
Jimmy Mack
Whereas you and ThymeZone represent a wealth of diverse opinions. Anyone do an IP check on those “two”? I’m just saying…
Rome Again
No, I mean like get down on at least one knee :P
Rome Again
TZ and I have had our disagreement (one only, but one nonetheless).
ThymeZone
Wow. Two people agree with each other. That must really frighten you, Jimmy.
Whaddya think? A clique?
Rome Again
Jimmy, try to figure this out, your side is losing ground, it’s time to get with the program. I am in much agreement with just about everyone here, except Darrell, scs, Stormy (who is strangely silent these days) and you. While lefties don’t all agree on every opinion, we have an overall understanding of issues that Fox News talking points didn’t provide us. If you see that TZ and I agree so much, it’s only because our politics are agreeable. Nothing more.
ThymeZone
That’s right. There was that one time you sided with Darrell.
Well, no hard feelings. Okay?
ThymeZone
{ thud }
ThymeZone
We’re of one mind?
Rome Again
No hard feelings. And yes, I did agree with Darrell, as dirty as that makes me feel these days.
Rome Again
OMG, have we been assimilated?
ThymeZone
Well, I certainly have been.
Rome Again
TZ is borg?
Ummm, excuse me, I have to go now…
ThymeZone
It can happen to anyone, I have done it myself.
He’s the stopped clock that is right once every month or so.
ThymeZone
Actually, I’m Fallen Episcopalian.
Rome Again
Funny, me too. Wow TZ, that’s wild. Don’t meet many fallen Episcopalians, didn’t know many when I was one either.
Zifnab
Um… Yes?
This has been another edition of “Questionably Simple Answers to Overly Simplified Questions.”
ThymeZone
I fell pretty early. By age 10 I was convinced that the whole thing was a scam designed to push people around and manipulate them. Nothing in the last 5 decades has caused me to doubt that early assessment.
Rome Again
See Jimmy? It’s not just a clique between me and TZ, got it?
Rome Again
I never actually fell into it, guess because we only went twice a year (Christmas/Easter).
I’m a fallen Masonic daughter though, went there every week.
Andrew
How can he declare? Didn’t we hang Osama Hussein a month ago?
ThymeZone
Ah,so your parents practiced the popular “Just in case” brand of religion?
Rome Again
No, they practiced the “show off our new clothes and brand new car” religion.
ThymeZone
Ah. A difficult path to salvation, but ….
raj
Didnât He Already Declare?
No, John. Obamamammamania earlier declared that he was going to consider declaring, then he declared that he was going to seriously consider declaring, then he declared that he was going to declare. Now, he has finally declared.
I’m glad to be able to explain it all to you.
And eventually he’s going to declare that he’s withdrawn his declaration when he can’t get sufficient funds to fund his various declarations.
(Yes, I’m being fascetious.)
Bob In Pacifica
It used to be that when you formed an exploratory something or other you found something.
CaseyL
Probably what Obama found out was that there were funding sources and professional campaign people who had not already been snapped up by Clinton or Edwards. That’s what exploratory committees mostly do, check and see if the resources for a campaign are available.
The Other Andrew
I find it intersting that Obama not being hostile towards gays and immigrants–which can be said of some moderate GOP politicians, and many moderate GOP party members–is somehow “far left”.
The Other Steve
Well, of all the people to declare they might run for the GOP nomination, Giuliani is probably the best of them.
Now that’s not saying much. I don’t think he could handle the job. But he’d handle it better than the rest of them. That is, he’d go at least a month before really fucking something up.
ThymeZone
Cheery news. A sociopath is the best of them.
Well, it doesn’t matter, I don’t think a Republican can win in this upcoming cycle.
Rome Again
Oh, that’s comforting LMAO!
Rome Again
Let’s hope, otherwise, I might have to be committed.
Zifnab
2008 is going to be like 1932 all over again. The Republicans are going to redefine the word “irrelevant” in national politics.
jake
Ha! Shows how much you know. They’re the same guy. Think about it, you’ve never seen them in the same room, have you? And that beard “Osama” wears, does that look real to you? Faker than a Las Vegas showgirl’s twin set.
He’s over here laughing at us while we poke around Afghanistan, looking for a cave with a satellite dish and pink flamingos round the entrance. FOX news has the scoop, via a deeply respected journal right here in Washington, DC.
As for Guliani, I heard he’s going to drop out of the race and try to replace ANS as the next blonde bombshell.
tBone
Moderate GOPers are a myth. They’re just far left terrorist-loving America-hating whackjobs who haven’t come out of the closet yet. Many if not most real Americans know this.
If you disagree, it’s because you’re a moonbat who is dishonest to the core. It’s just who you are.
tBone
Moderate GOPers are a myth. They’re just far left terrorist-loving America-hating whackjobs who haven’t come out of the closet yet. Many if not most real Americans know this.
If you disagree, it’s because you’re a moonbat who is dishonest to the core. It’s just who you are.
Michael
I really, really wish Arnie could run for President.
Molly McRae
“evoking Abraham Lincolnâs ability to unite a nation”
huh?
lard lad
Because let’s face it, what in the eyes of the Darrells of our nation could be more reasonable than blaming gays and immigrants for our problems?
jake
According to PM Howard, Osama luvs Obama.
I don’t see why any red-blooded American should have take that sort of talk from the leader of a known haven for marsupials and (ugg) species-bending monotremes.
RSA
Howard:
Maybe it’s a position statement: he’s keeping his employment options open in case he loses the next election.
Paddy O'Shea
Given the craven Bush ass-kissing Rudy blessed us all with yesterday, you can only wonder if a new video with The Decider taking on the Donald Trump role is in the offing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8988625595700617579&q=Giuliani+%2B+Trump&hl=en
Jimmy Mack
I consider myself a moderate GOPer and make no apologies for it. I think many others here feel the same way.
RSA
How do you distinguish yourself from a conservative GOPer?
DougJ
First, I don’t think being conservative and being moderate are diametrically opposed. Second, I tend to be pretty liberal on social issues: I support a woman’s right to choose as well as same sex marraige rights. I also support an immigration policy along the lines that the president has suggested.
DougJ
That’s my prediction as to what Darrell, scs, and Jimmy would say. It’s what all my “moderate GOP” friends say.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
This is the most illiterate reading of what Obama said that could possibly exist — the interpretation of a true retard. Here’s what Obama said:
OK, so when will Obama cite instances when we’ve been “told to blame…gay people” for Katrina, or Iraq, or other “failures.” Oh, he can’t becasue it’s a lie, a far-left-Truther-moonbat-Kossack-talking-point lie. Which was the first commenter’s point exactly, and it’s 100% correct.
Zombie Santa Claus
Who gives a fuck? Where do you stand on TWOC? That’s the issue I’m voting on, anyway.
JImmy Mack
You’re not that far off with me, I’ll give you credit. I do favor gay marriage rights (as I pointed out earlier, before people started calling me a homophobe) and I think we need to be realistic about immigration policy. And I think we need to lower the budget deficit, even if that means tax increases for some. I think that makes me moderate.
JImmy Mack
TWOC?
Dave_Violence
What is it that a President Barak would do, exactly?
Would he raise taxes only on people making more than, say $100k (because those people are rich and can afford to give more)? Would he nationalize “health care” – funded with those extra taxes? Would he end the war on drugs? Would he simply preserve abortion rights? Would he protect gun rights with the same passion as he would protect abortion rights? Would he get his liberal friends to take their kids out of those elite privite schools in favor of public schools – thus infusing those “bad” public schools with good students…? Will he end the war in Iraq? What about the War on Terror? Will he get the “truth” out about 9-11? After all, it’s an inside job, right?
All that would unite the nation, right? We’re so splintered right now, another civil war is right around the corner.
Zombie Santa Claus
The War On Christmas, mofo. Where do the candidates stand on it?
JImmy Mack
Unlikely. Does anyone here know where he stands on gun rights? How about school vouchers? I’d like to know, because in a lot of ways he doesn’t seem that bad to me so far. Certainly not as bad as Hillary.
JImmy Mack
Is that a joke or are you Bill O’Reilly?
jg
You really didn’t hear the religious right say New Orleans had it coming because of Mardi Gras and other decadent crap? Liar.
A moderate GOPer is someone who isn’t a republican but is still too scared to be considered a liberal so they rail against health care, and immigrants while pretending to believe supply side economics works for more than five poeple.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
So Obama is running a campaign against Pat Robertson? He’d better work on his leg press!
The fact is, “the religious right” never said any such thing. But I’m sure the GOP would love to play by your rules. Can the GOP now legitimately start quoting the Truthers and Ward Churchill and say “The Democrats think that…” Is that fair game now?
Darrell
If he’s such a liar, then cite.
I did read a leftist commenter here on BJ named “Kimmitt” post that Louisiana had it (Katrina) coming because they were a Red State.
Punchy
Even the Kangaroo PM dissed on Osama…er..I mean Obama. What’s sawheet is that O-Face told him in no uncertain terms to put up or shut up. Maybe Webb wrote that response for him.
ThymeZone
You’re the lying asshole bigot who said that gay scout leaders can’t be trusted to go camping with our kids.
So go fuck yourself.
ThymeZone
You’re the asshole who said that Lebanese civilians had it coming because they were sleeping in Hezbollah buildings.
That bombing kids is okay for political purposes.
That slaughtering Iraqis is justified in order to “save them” and promote “democracy.”
Who gives a fuck what you think you read?
Zifnab
How does that distinguish yourself from a liberal? And which conservative candidate champions these policies, because I haven’t seen one that didn’t proceed to Specter in the middle of the debate.
Zifnab
Isn’t Australia just the Canada of the Pacific? Or, maybe the France of the Southern Hemisphere? Do we really want them dictating our domestic policy? Why don’t we just turn our country over to the Nazis at the UN?
RSA
There’s a different interpretation of Obama’s statement that doesn’t involve Republicans asking us to blame gays for Katrina (though some did) or Democrats for the ongoing disaster in Iraq (though some still do). We can reasonably take Obama to be saying that instead of looking at what’s going wrong, some Republicans would rather try to distract people by raising these other issues. Examples:
Gil Gutknecht, while running for Congress in 2006:
Bill Frist, responding to the question, “Are gay marriage and flag burning the most important issues the Senate can be addressing in June of 2006?”
It’s not even worth putting up a quote about Democrats wanting the war in Iraq to fail, rather than looking at the people who started the war.
Punchy
More like the Mississippi of the U.S. Lots of strange, foul-smelling creatures, containing a large middle area largely uninhabitable by ordinary people and containing a huge population completely unable to talk correctly.
Andrew
I suppose you want some pro-Christmas elf subsidies or a government supplied reindeer. Fucking undead welfare queens.
JImmy Mack
McCain is one. He opposes the constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, co-sponsored the Kenney-McCain immigration reform measure, and says Congress “spends like drunken sailors.”
demimondian
Yeah, Andrew, and I’ll bet you think of Republican-Americans as a bunch of corporate welfare queens who use your tax dollars to pay for their expensive Hummers, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jg
My rules? The GOP has been doing this for years. Their whole strategy is based on protraying the farthest leftist lefty crackpot and pretending his view is mainstream. They’ve even used Ward Churchill to do it (‘little Eichmans’ somehow being the proof that the left believes Bush planned 9/11 or some other crap). Check out Fox. They always have a ‘democrat’ on to provide balance but its never a democrat that the democratic party is proud of. Its always someone who will spout the position FOX wants to refute. Doing this not only shows the ‘superiority’ of the rights position it ‘mainstreams’ a whacked out lefty position.
Of course not. There wasn’t a press release issued in the name of ‘The Religious Right’ which stated such so clearly I’m wrong and you can continue to live your fantasy that no one on the right ever said God targeted New Orleans because of their sins. Enjoy.
Ever read 1984?
jg
….when he’s talking to groups that are known feel that way.
ThymeZone
Heh. Bring it on.
The right wanted it, asked for it, pimped it. Let’s have it.
RSA
That was then; this is now. I suspect that the post-Liberty-University McCain will not be nearly as outspoken on social issues as he’s been in the past. Given his support for a continued presence in Iraq, it’s hard to see how his comments about spending will be taken seriously unless he matches them with talk about new taxes. I don’t think his triangulation will work for very long, if it’s worked at all so far.
demimondian
Triangulation works when you’re triangulating between an unpopular position that you hold and a broadly but weakly held, position that the target audience holds. (E.g. Clinton on welfare reform or on a ‘balanced budget’.) It fails when the position you hold is popular, or when the popular position you oppose is deeply held in your target audience. So, for instance, triangulating from a personal position that Congress ‘spends like a drunken sailor’ is a losing battle, since that position is widely held.
JImmy Mack
Look, I’m not the McCain fan in the world. I’d like to see Giuliani get the nomination. I’m just pointing out that he agrees with my position on those issues.
demimondian
Jimmy Mack, you’re not anybody’s fan, except, maybe Darrell’s or eEel’s.
Hyperion
OT but…i just finished watching Little Miss Sunshine. it was one of the stupidest movies and unfunniest comedies i have ever seen. what is to like about it?
Rome Again
EEEL, you can’t possibly tell me the GOP hasn’t been playing by those rules all along. That is very disingenuous, swift boat bring back any memories?
Bob In Pacifica
My memory is fading, but wasn’t Rudy Giuliani one of the Republican-appointed federal judges or prosecutors that was doing a lot of hiding of things during the Iran-contra/BCCI/savings & loan era? Seems to me I have a vague recollection of him wearing robes and lying about twenty years ago. But maybe he was wearing a suit and lying.
Any help here?
Rome Again
He was wearing a suit Bob, as mayor of NYC he was appearing on CNN through the huge tv screen on Time’s Square saying “we can kick your city’s ass”.
RSA
This is old, old news, but for what it’s worth. . .
What’s unfair is to treat Pat Robertson’s comments as being comparable to Ward Churchill’s comments. Churchill hasn’t been named “Man of the Year” by a Republican organization; he doesn’t reach hundreds of thousands of people on his own TV show and TV network; he hasn’t hosted a President’s speech at one of his conferences; he doesn’t have a net worth of around $1 billion. All of this describes Robertson; on the flip side, Robertson’s not an obscure, third-rate academic who’s been fired for his stupidity. When Robertson says something idiotic, it’s much, much more influential and representative than when Churchill does the same. Robertson speaks for a large number of Republicans, even if he’s obviously not well-regarded by all Republicans.
demimondian
Aw, c’mon, RSA. What kind of Apple-using, commie-loving, America-hating wombat are you, anyway? The situations are completely different!
You see, Wade Churchill exposes what you leftards really do believe, but (hypocritically) aren’t willing to admit to. By contrast, Pat Robertson exposes what members of the Religious Right believe everyone else should believe, but (hypocritically) do not believe themselves.
Jimmy Mack
I don’t think Ward Churchill speaks for all Democrats, but at this point, he probably speaks for most. The Bush-hating shrillness that has taken over the party is just plain sad to see. Sad.
Rome Again
Name ten things to like about Bush, Jimmy. Can you, honestly?
RSA
I might believe that Churchill reflects the souls of Democrats, but of course Democrats don’t have souls.
I could also believe that Ward Churchill speaks for 40 million or so registered Democratic voters, but it would mean forgetting everything I know about, oh, math and stuff.
demimondian
Don’t you mean “BDS-driven PMS-related whininess”, Jimmy?
Grrr
My favorite part was when winger sites like Redstate started whining “We need a *rockstar* like Obama – where oh where is our *rockstar*”.
Maybe he’s still out there somewhere, fighting his way out of a Socialist MSM ambush.
We can only hope.
ThymeZone
Jesus, my yard man, wept.
Rome Again
He seems to do a lot of weeping TZ, perhaps you need a new yard man? It sounds as if it cuts into his workday.
Jimmy Mack
You moonbats are pretty damn funny, sometimes.
craigie
Fixed
Newport 9
1. He only dropped his dog once (that we know of), and it was almost certainly an accident.
2. He hasn’t had a DUI arrest in at least 20 years (that we know of).
3. He hasn’t sexually molested either of his daughters (that we know of).
4. He hasn’t had sex with a White House intern (that we know of).
5. He hasn’t nuked any other countries (yet).
6. He hasn’t nuked this country (yet).
7. He seems sane and well-grounded compared to his VP.
8. He hasn’t declared Christianity the official religion of the United States (yet).
9. He hasn’t blown up the Moon (yet).
10. He hasn’t shot anyone in the face (that we know of) (yet).
Rome Again
Jimmy has time to call people names, but 20 minutes later, still can’t come up with 10 reasons to like Bush. Hmmmm, methinks there is something rotten in Jimmyland.
Rome Again
and Newport, do you trust that all those things will remain so on January 20th, 2009?
I don’t, personally.
He seems sane and well-grounded compared to his VP? Uh, yeah, that’s not saying much, is it?
We have a dangerous crowd in the oval office, and this is the best list you can come up with? I’m perplexed that there is any issue as to why we even discuss a dislike for Bush after seeing that list.
demimondian
Why would Jesus, TZ’s yard man, weep “TZ”? That’s just…creepy.
Me, I think that he got dust in his eyes, and TZ is just overinterpreting. You know how TZ is about…Himself.
Newport 9
It wasn’t easy. This list required a lot of thought on my part. To say nothing of a lot of qualifyers.
Andrew
Surely, “Not Gay” counts for 8 or 9 reasons.
craigie
Ten Things I Like About Bush:
1. He’s smarter than a pretzel, more or less.
2. Looks good in a codpiece
3. Says “nukular” just like my ol’ pappy
4. He’s not smarter’n me. I hate people who are smarter’n me.
5. His wife is nice, and hasn’t killed anyone in years
6. Jenna and not-Jenna are hot! And drunk! Great combo!
7. He’s a lousy businessman, so I guess you can trust him
8. His daddy is right powerful
9. He laughs like a serial killer
10. He has a dog. I like dogs. Cats suck.
And golly, I’m just gettin’ started! I could write 10 more! No wonder he’s the preznit!
The Other Steve
Agreed. Ward Churchill has never run for the Presidential nomination.
And he most certainly never came in second place in the Iowa caucuses. But Pat Robertson did.
Anybody who claims Pat Robertson doesn’t represent the Republican party is either blindly obtuse or smoking what Darrell smokes.
I was there in Iowa in 1988. I know these people.
ThymeZone
Your post, like Iraq, will be just a comma on the page of history.
Just a fucking comma. You do get my meaning, don’t you?
ThymeZone
I’m trying to get him on Claritin(tm), I think he has some allergy issues.
But the man does wear his corazon on his sleeve.
When he isn’t wiping his face on the sleeve, I mean.
ThymeZone
craigie, great list. Top grade material.
Tom in Texas
10 things to like about Bush:
1) He and his ilk put Michael Moore on the map.
2) He likes black people, or at least a black person. Say Hello Condi!
3) Ditto the Mexican guy. How ya doin Al?
4) As an Astros fan and an enemy of all things Dallas, his tenure as GM of the Rangers was extremely enjoyable.
5) Great taste in ties. Sure someone else probably picks them out (probably ties it for him too). They still look so good I almost forget to pay attention to his incoherent ramblings.
6) He’s better at faking Texan than any president we’ve ever had.
7) He’s turned Al Gore from someone that revolted or bored me to someone that inspires me when he speaks.
8) He’s shown McCain and Giuliani to be the subservient lapdogs that they are.
9) I never have to hear Tony Snow on my car radio again. Wait a minute…
10) Jeb and George P. are now nonstarters.
Zombie Santa Claus
10 Things to Like About Bush:
1. He hasn’t cut and run from TWOC. Unlike, say, Clinton.
2. He understands the value of Christian holidays in a Christian nation. You moonbat motherfuckers sure don’t. Ho ho ho, bitches!
3. He understands that in trench warfare in the Arctic circle, sometimes you need air support. That’s why he supplied me with reindeer steroids and methamphetamines for my elven pilots (Also, I sold some to the polar bears to earn some scratch for weaponry- but don’t tell the NY Times that, or you’ll get a lump of coal up your ass every Christmas from now ’til Judgment Day!)
4. His daughters are hot, in a sort of drunken sorority chick/snotty rich bitch/I just got off a desert island and haven’t seen a woman in 8 years kind of way.
5. He didn’t whack Vince Foster.
6. He never let Monica Lewinski give him a blowjob.
7. He never pardoned Marc Rich. Well, not yet, anyway.
8. He hasn’t killed any kittens on live TV yet. At least not on any English-speaking stations.
9. He hasn’t tried to bang Mrs. Claus yet, even though her husband is now legally dead and only lives on cerebrally, in a jar.
10. He’ll probably invade Canada in 2008, just to distract attention from a bad newsweek for the GOP nominee. I firmly support any such military endeavour.
Punchy
WTF?
So now he has to “dismiss” the craziest of crazy talk, implying that the MSM actually needed a “dismissal” in order to render it false? Should he pre-emptively dismiss all rumors that he nails goats and, on Tuesdays, drinks abortion milkshakes?
Zifnab
Our own intelligence agenciesIntelligence has a well-known liberal bias. And according to “some sources” it may be instrumental in supporting terrorism.Andrew
Well, look it, a candidate just can’t let the abortion milkshake cloud hang over his head for the entire election cycle. America demands answers!
Krista
Glad he takes the corazon off his sleeve before wiping his face on his sleeve…it could get rather messy.
Face
I’m betting he prefers only the vanilla ones, with extra digits, being all Muslim and radical and madrassa-like that he is. And Black and scary.
So says Fox. Who’s to argue?
Tulkinghorn
Wikipedia knows, as always (sorry, I am having embedding trouble today):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani
Rudy has skeletons in his closet (Bernie Kerick), but this is not one of them. While the country at large thinks highly of him, no-one in New York longs for him to return. If so, he would have Spitzer’s job.
The Other Steve
Well, not yet anyway.
Andrew
How do we know that future President Hillary Clinton doesn’t send a terminator back in time to whack Foster? And then blame his death on a previous future terminator sent by George W Bush. I’m going to have to see some substantial proof that this won’t happen for me to believe the half truths of the Hollywood leftists.
Darrell
Still waiting for your citations of those on the religious right saying New Orleans “had it coming” when Katrina struck. I mean, if you’re going to call someone a ‘liar’ over the obviousness of your point, seems you should have at least a couple of citations at hand, right?
Zifnab
Completely off-topic:
Omg, I want one.
Zombie Santa Claus
If those South Koreans ever perfect cloning technology, Vince Foster had better watch out!
Good point. Why hasn’t Obama addressed this yet? What’s he hiding?
Rome Again
In Darrell’s world, things didn’t really happen if they have a way of damaging his opinion of how own party.
Peruse the thread and google what you find Darrell, it’s there.
ImJohnGalt
Darrell, here you go:
Repent America
Fred Phelps, I know, but still…if we have Ward Churchill, you have this guy.
A few other links in this article
New Orleans is now abortion free!
Rome Again
and I should never post right after I wake up and before I’ve had coffee.
**his own party**
Tsulagi
A 400 horsepower hybrid convertible? I want one too!
Well, this right-thinking woman was too ladylike to say they had it coming, so she made a positive observation from the heart. The presidentâs mama: “And so many of the peoples in the arena here, you know, they’re underprivileged anyway, so this–this (she chuckles slightly) is working very well for them.”
But always fair and balanced, mama later thought of the children from the disaster. So she donated an undisclosed amount of money for their benefit. With specific instructions it be spent on ‘education’ software pimped by another of her idiot sons. There arenât enough tissues to wipe away the tears from that selfless act of compassion.
jg
Wait right here. I’ll be back with plenty of links for you to pretend don’t say what they say. Don’t move or post anywhere else until I come back.
Zombie Santa Claus
Meanwhile, all that idiot moonbat Sean Penn did was swamp his boat trying to ferry people out of NOLA. How’s that for “reality-based”, leftards?
Zombie Santa Claus
Take your time.
demimondian
With a V6, it’s going to guzzle gas like there’s no tomorrow, and the additional complexity of the hybrid will reduce reliability. The 400 hp number is a total fraud; you’ll never use both engines at the same time. Not to mention that there’s no way to have a standard transmission in a hybrid; your hands aren’t fast enough to handle the gearing. What’s the point of a sports car with an automatic transmission? Where’s the growl, purr, and scream of a double clutch?
(Ob Disc: I drive a hybrid SUV, and love it. Although it’s equipped with a “girly” inline 4, it leaves everything else behind it at the lights, while still climbing hills very respectably indeed.)
Punchy
Oxymoron alert.
Darrell
Where? Show me even one post which had a citation for the ‘religious right’ saying New Orleans “had it coming” for being struck with Katrina because they’re so decadent.
Since you say “it’s there” Rome, please point to which posts you refer to.
Darrell
Well if he hadn’t overloaded his boat with his personal photographer, publicist (just in case some of the people he rescued wanted to make a press statement) and rest of his phony entourage, he may have been in a position to help.
Zifnab
Try Google, Darrel. I even typed the query in for you. See, it’s easy. Even a neo-lithic right-winger can do it.
Also, I’m with you Darrell. Sean Penn is an evil man for bring cameras into Hurricane Katrina. Because, seriously, no one wants to hear about drowning black people, right? And we sure as hell don’t want photographs, to look at them.
Tsulagi
I hear ya. Stupid shit Penn didnât really know what the people of NOLA desperately needed. To know their president was having a good time in sunny San Diego playing his guitar for his entourage while, as mama said, it was âworking out very well for them.â That was all the help they needed.
Punchy
So you’re dogging on a guy who went out to help (overloaded boat or not), while your sorry ass just sat there typing out Penn invectives and snarfing Cheetos? The guy brought badly needed publicity to the plight of thousands, and you’re complaining that he didn’t rent a friggin YACHT to save more of the poor?
You’re one sorry human being.
John D.
OK, Darrell, here you go:
(Only 2 to evade BJ’s archaic anti-spam measures, you can find others if you so desire)
Repent America Press Release
Fred Phelps being his charming self
Now go away. The adults are trying to have a discussion.
demimondian
No. The oxymoron is *fuel-efficient* Hybrid SUV. Mine only gets 25 MPG.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
I’d take the trade. If Obama and the Dems want to pretend that anyone in the Bush Administration blamed Katrina on the gays and “the other party” (if that doesn’t hit Barry O over the cranium with an hypocrisy-bat, he’s just not very bright or a very seasoned hypocrite), then we’ll deny it, ask them to prove it with something besides lip service, and then say that Democrats “blame America first” for 9/11, Islamic terrorism, and global warming. I’m guessing I can out-evidence them at about a 100-to-1 clip.
And if B.O. wants to quote Pat Robertson or some other GOP hasbeen/never-was and pretend that it’s current mainstream GOP thought, then we can just quote Dhimmy Carter (who was actually, get this, elected President by the Democrats… and, btw, said “nukular” in a Southern accent, which now Democrats find the mark of retardation but back then they thought was folksy) to “prove” that all Democrats are America-hating, Chavez-and-Hamas-loving wastes of carbon.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Just as I predicted. Somebody no one’s ever heard of. So now can I use Ward Churchill?
Democrats think 9/11 victims were “little Eichmans” and “deserved” to be killed.
JImmy Mack
I have a feeling he just got in the way. But if it kept him from filming another movie, then it’s all good. I kid: he’s made some good movies. But I think he probably did just get in the way. Leave it to the pros instead of grandstanding like a typical Hollywood buffoon.
At least Jane Fonda wasn’t there…
JImmy Mack
But, look, why not just say there’s whackos on both sides? For every Robertson or Falwell, there’s a Ward Churchill or a Sean Penn. The ones on the left are numerous and influential, but it’s not like either side can say they don’t have any (nuts).
Zifnab
Which pros? FEMA?
Andrew
You R teh wrongzorZ!11!
Of course a 400hp car CAN chug through gas, but not necessarily. The 400hp C6 ‘vette can get 30+mpg on the highway — it’s all gearing. A 400hp hybrid could probably do 35-40mpg if driven efficiently.
The 400hp number may be a fraud, but not necessarily. The Toyota hybrid drivetrain does use both engines simultaneously. The peak torque #s occur at very different speeds for the gas and electric motors, but the drivetrain can power the wheels in this condition.
Not only can hybrids handle a manual, some DO. The Honda Insight came with a manual option. The Honda IMA system is a starter-generator that just interfaces with the flywheel, and you can use whatever tranny you want. It’s not as sophisticated or efficient as the Toyota designs, but a manual definitely possible for a hybrid sports car.
Ultracapacitors have some exciting applications, and may make for very efficient, lightweight and balanced hybrid sports cars in the near future.
Zifnab
I still don’t get how you can compare Sean Penn to Jerry Falwell. How much tax-free money goes to the Church of Penn? Where is the Sean Penn voting bloc? Which TV station or college does Sean Penn personally run? Which series of Democratic Presidential nominees have deliberately sought out Sean Penn’s explicit endorsement?
You’re comparing apples to antelopes here. Penn is a successful Hollywood actor with a few casual fans and a website. Falwell runs his own college and radio station – Robertson has the entire 700 club – and each reach millions of people a day with heavy handed politico-religious propoganda. Penn gets on TV for ten minutes fishing for survivors and suddenly he’s the Archduke of California? Get real.
And who the hell is Ward Churchill?
John D.
Repent America is the home of Pastor Swank, who gets incredible amounts of ink in newspapers all across the country. This is not a fringe group, sorry. Nice try though — I encourage you to give it another go.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Well, yeah, at least we weren’t causing a useless distraction, sinking our entourage-swelled boat while PR-profiteering on the flood. The citizens of NO would have been better off if Penn had stayed at home with his bong, scarfing Cheetos.
I think Penn’s next movie needed more publicity than the Katrina victims — I think that we were into Day 5 of Total News Blanket at that point. And what would more publicity have brought us? More Geraldo-esque media hysteria? More hyperinflated rape and murder and death stats that turned out to be bogus? No thanks.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Yeah, incredible. Never heard of him. Neither has 99% of America.
jg
And Mac once again shows how the game is played. Of course no one in the administration is ever going to be found on record saying those things. This provides the basis for the strawman argument that he’s preparing with his 100 to 1 ratio of Known Facts.
Punchy
Shorter EEEL–you’ve proved it twice…so…PROVE IT AGAIN!!
As for this:
Wow, Phelps really outdid himself here. Even a spoof couldn’t dream this quote up. I think it’s come time to coin a new phrase akin to Goodwin’s Law:
The Foley Factor (Haggard’s Parable?)–the magnitude of one’s vociferous, vitriolic, and crass rants against homosexuals is directly proportional to the probability that that person is both pitching and catching, and isn’t a baseball player.
John D.
Gee, then, have you heard of Pat Robertson?
Or is he a nobody as well?
JImmy Mack
A Democratic mayor of a town in Colorado who said some crazy things about 9/11. He compared the people who died in the towers to Joseph Goebbels. I’m not sure why. There was a big to do about it a few years back and a lot on the left defended him.
Krista
Care to take that back, as it’s blatantly disgusting and offensive?
jg
You speaking for America now? That’s another right wing trick BTW. You’re good Mac.
The Other Andrew
I’ll never understand how people can think Democrats love terrorists when terrorists are religious fundamentalists who are anti-gay and anti-modernity and all that. Terrorists are simply a more extreme version of our domestic political enemies. Personally, I’m all for taking on fundamentalism wherever we find it, at home or abroad. But, as EEEL pointed out, I’m “retarded”, so maybe I’m just incapable of grasping the right’s brilliant logic on the “secular humanists love religious fundamentalists” issue.
John D.
…
Dude, Google is your friend. Use it.
Just enter his name and follow the first link.
jg
Mayor? I thought he was a college profeesor? When did he become mayor? Of what town? What chemicals had been previously tested in thier water supply?
Zifnab
Dude. No fair using Colorado. Everyone is messed up in the head over there. Ted Haggard, anybody? The Ramseys? Donner, party of 40? I fear for the fate of the Democratic National Convension. Why couldn’t they have just held it in San Fransisco where everyone is normal(er)?
Punchy
Yeah, all went swimmingly–pun intended–because only 1100+ bought the farm instead of ____ (insert some ridiculous number EEEL heard quoted on Fox News).
Bogus stats/reports/AQ connections….hmmm…where have I seen these before?
JImmy Mack
Old Robin Williams bit, right?
Krista
The only time I’ve ever heard of the guy is when he’s brought up by people on the right as an example of how “whacked-out” the left is.
Punchy
Spoof alert just red-lined. Nobody could be THIS stupid. Mayor? No. Goebbels? No. It did succeed, however, in making me laugh out loud.
jg
Odd isn’t it?
Zifnab
Wow, you caught that fast.
See, look everybody, a Republican than knows things! This is the face of the man who should be running your party (but never will *sigh*).
Andrew
Not only is he mayor of a town in Colorado, he is also governor or Nevada, head of the ACLU, and chairman of the DNC. To top it off, he put mind control probes into the brains of every Democrat presidential contender. Hillary and Obamasama were easy enough, but there was some trouble penetrating John Edwards’ super-protective hair.
John D.
I just noticed this, and wanted to highlight Mac tactic #73 (in a series) — goalpost shifting.
Darrell asked for (and was provided) examples of people on the religious right saying that New Orleans “asked for Katrina”.
Mac morphed that “current mainstream GOP thought”. This allows him to pull a “no true Scotsman” on whatever evidence you provide. Be vigilant!
– This post brought to you by People Against Poor Reasoning Skills, Yes That Means YOU, EEEL.
Tsulagi
Got that right. If he was going to get personally involved, he should have thought like Bush. On his NOLA flyover on the way to the left coast, the airspace over the area was closed to protect Americaâs treasure. Good thing as those rescue helos use up a lot of fuel.
Then after playing a guitar for his needy entourage and folk of San Diego, the man of action returned to LA for photo ops. Of course, a small price for residents to pay for that gift was going hungry a little longer. Canât have relief helos in the air that might threaten the prezâs security; have to wait until he leaves. Just made those survivors appreciate food and water a little bit more.
Darrell
Bullshit you lying sack of shit. I was provided one example of an obscure never-been-heard-of guy which supposedly represents the religious right.
Phelps is a Democrat (religious left?), and the source of that quote does not look credible. It’s not dated that I could see.
Hell, you can dig up in BJ archives where Dem party activist “Kimmitt” said right here on this blog that Louisiana had Katrina coming because they were a red state.
Do I get to say “Dems are happy Katrina hit Louisiana because it’s a red state”? It’s that kind of core dishonesty you see here which makes the typical liberal posting here such filth.
jg
Didn’t I tell you not to post until I got back to you?
Tsulagi
Yeah, Iâd never heard of Ted Haggard either until he emerged on the scene personifying the true Bill Bennett Republican manly man of family values and integrity.
But it seems Bush was so close to Haggard he was probably picking his pubic hairs out of his teeth as part of his daily grooming regimen. Haggard and a few other leading evangelical men of Jesus had a weekly conference call with their Bush to make sure he kept the country on the straight and narrow path of righteousness like them.
Andrew
Darrell: Pat Robertson can leg press 2000lbs. That makes you his bitch. QED
Zifnab
Fixed.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Ah, what passes for the great liberal intellect. So the GOP blames gays for all our problems, just not in public. Then, Obama knows this via his mindreading powers, I take it? An extensive series of secret wiretaps that enable him to hear the “blame it on teh gheys” convos?
And it’s not very successful “blaming,” is it, if it’s not done in public.
Now you can say that what Obama really means is that Pat (I Can Leg Press 2000 lbs.) Robertson and some other preacher no one’s every heard of (who actually cites “Girls Gone Wild,” undercutting the gay-bash this is purported to be) said New Orleans — but oddly, not San Francisco — was struck down by God because of gays, so that proves Obama was correct. Because that’s who’s been in office “for the last six years,” right, Obama — a failed and powerless nomination candidate from 20 years ago and a nobody nutjob preacher?
Darrell
Where is Pat Robertson’s quote regarding Katrina that you refer to halfwit?
It’s not here
Punchy
You ask for links, Darrell, and we give them to you. Then you claim they’re not good enough. You’re a dishonest f#ck if I’ve ever seen one.
Apparently, you’re never wrong. Never. Even with all the evidence you asked for that proves you wrong, you’re still right. Somehow. And to boot, you have to throw in insults. It’s no wonder you’re so despised.
I need a drink.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Sounds like they should’ve elected a GOP governor and mayor. There’d have been plenty of food, staged properly, for the few citizens that weren’t bussed out beforehand by the local government. Funny how Jeb Bush’s Florida always makes it through OK.
Krista
Darrell…it’s John D’s comment at 1:39pm. He provided a link.
So are you going to retract your statement?
Darrell
These actions encapsulate and define the anti-war left, right?
Zifnab
Darrell likes the word half-wit.
Krista
You’ve used that picture before, sweetcheeks. Nice attempt to change the subject, albeit a bit transparent in it’s desperation.
So, plan on retracting what you said?
Darrell
I just debunked that link using Snopes/Urban legends.
Are you going to admit you’re a gullible fool?
Darrell
Again, his link was an “urban legend” which has been debunked as a lie.
Will you now admit Krista that you’re a gullible idiot?
Tom in Texas
D-Train: I like the part in your link where Pat Robertson tells the gay pride participants in Orlando to watch out for hurricanes and stop “waving those flags in God’s face.”. It totally shows that the religious right never blames gays for natural disasters.
Krista
I’m going to admit that I’m off to a meeting, and will take a closer look at your link upon returning.
Darrell
No “close look” needed. Snopes debunked it thoroughly. Case closed. As usual, you’ll slither off without admitting how wrong you were.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
They’re moving the goalposts on you, Darrell. If we take it back to the subject of this post, Obama isn’t referring to Robertson or some preacher. He said that “(f)or the last six years…weâve been told…to blame…gay people” for crises, obviously alluding to the GOP government of the last six years.
That’s the outrageous, offensive lie. They can’t quote one administration official ever saying anything of the sort, but the media nods and winks and doesn’t challenge it.
John D.
A-fucking-hem.
I provided 2 links to “religious right” guys who claimed exactly that. I also helpfully provided a quote from Pat Robertson. You know, the guy who is kinda the face of the Religious Right, what with having the largest religious media empire.
It’s FROM HIS FUCKING WEBSITE, YOU IDIOT.
Jesus. How do you manage to remember how to breathe? This is Primary Sourcing 101, not rocket science.
jg
Yes that exactly how it happened. Mindreading skills and secret wiretaps. Your point?
John D.
You incredible moron.
I quoted PAT ROBERTSON’S RESPONSE to that article. The one where HE DEBUNKS IT.
And, amazingly enough, I used *his words* from that. You know absolutely nothing. Follow the link next time. You’ll find a link to the article that Snopes referenced, as well as the entirety of the text of Pat Robertson’s response. You know, the one where *he* says you can find his words by searching the 700 Club transcripts.
You know, the ones I QUOTED.
John D.
Bullshit.
I answered Darrell’s question — I even helpfully blockquoted it in my first comment in this thread. If he asked a different question than the one you’d like, that’s his and your problem, not mine.
Do *not* accuse me of intellectual dishonesty, you lying sack of shit.
Tsulagi
Iâd forgotten that one. LOL.
So for guidance the guys the retard in the Oval Office listens to includes âleg pumper 2000â Robertson, âSpongebob haterâ Dobson, and the newly straight âI did not snort the meth or poke THAT gay hookerâ Haggard. If there is a God, heâs fucking with us.
Jesus, werenât they fucked over enough?
Off topic, this weekend I rented the movie Idiocracy. They could have named that movie Bushyworld 2500 AD. But obviously todayâs neotards are already there. The movie cracked me up.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
In the WaPo article they had to correct because they did shitty reporting and mindlessly took a liberal’s spin for God’s Honest Truth. That’s where.
Darrell
The issue I disputed you insufferable halfwit is/was jg’s assertion that the “religious right” is guilty of saying that New Orleans “had it coming” with regards to KATRINA because of their decadence. Hurricane Katrina, and the answer is no. Phelps is a Democrat activist who ran as a Democrat in several races and supported Al Gore.
The larger point being debated is Obama claiming that we have been told to “blame” gay people for our problems. It’s a fucking lie. It’s a lying smear that Obama made. He can’t cite instances where anyone in the administration blamed gays for our “failures”
And no one in the media, and certainly not you dishonest-to-the-core leftists, ever challenged Obama on his outrageous lie.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
If I meant you, I would’ve called you out by name, you paranoid half-wit prick.
It was jg who did the original move off-topic.
Zifnab
Ok, it’s offical. Darrell must be a spoof. Absolutely no one is that dense.
John Cole hasn’t posted a new blog in days and he’s just trying to buy time by messing with us. That’s the only explaination.
John D.
Then ask a different question. Pat Robertson *is* the Religious Right, in spades, and until you can magically make his words vanish, your assertion was wrong. I’m going to keep hammering on you on this until such time as you finally, at long last, say those three little words we *all* so want to hear from you:
“I was wrong.”
We can have a discussion about Obama. We can have a discussion about the intersection of polictics, religion, race, prejudice, and a host of other topics. Hell, we can even have a discussion about the psychology of overgeneralizing group behavior.
After you say those 3 little words.
Rusty Shackleford
No, that’s New Zealand.
John D.
So, by that logic, you meant “nobody” in the original post, since it was merely a nebulous “they”?
What color is the sky in your world, that you think this kind of shoddy reasoning passes muster?
Darrell
I see, so you acknowledge that you posted an off-topic posting as a “response” to my challenge to jg, which in fact didn’t answer what was being discussed. When it’s pointed out that your post didn’t have a damn thing to do with what was being discussed, you tell me I need to “change the question” and admit I was wrong. Got it.
Stupid is as stupid does with you leftards.
John D.
I guess I’m confused. You said this:
I provided citations. How the FUCK is that off-topic? Seriously. I need an answer.
You ask for information. I provide that information. And I’m somehow in the wrong here? I’m somehow stupid here?
Your mind is a very strange thing, Darrell. All snark aside, I used to think you were a troll, but I’m seriously beginning to think you are pathological about your inability to admit a mistake.
ThymeZone
That is a plausible explanation, actually. But I think that a more likely one is that he really just doesn’t give a shit.
But take a look at this thread and the impact of Darrell on it. My question is, if this is the outcome you are going to get, why even have the fucking blog? What’s the point?
Shut the fucking thing down. Really, if you care that little about the people here, and this thread is what you want, you should shut the goddammed thing down. It’s an insult.
JImmy Mack
Shrill much? That’s a good way to make friends and win people over to your side…
Punchy
If I didn’t know better, I’d swear you just wrote this about Bush…and Cheney…and Rumsfeld…and Rice….and Wolfie…Hadley…Hannity…Coulter…
Zifnab
It’s not, man. That’s just Darrell for you. You can hammer him all you want and the absolute best you’ll manage to get is for Darrell to develop complete amnesia on the topic at hand and revert to a different topic.
I think this entire conversation bypassed “shrill” on the way to “wtfsville” about a hundred posts ago. You missed your stop.
John D.
When deemed necessary, yes.
I get irate when people fail to use even a modicum of effort on the simplest of tasks. I have absolutely no intention, desire, or chance at “winning [Darrell] over”, so I’m not bothering to try.
If my tone bothers you, I’m sorry. I’m also lying through my teeth, for I’m not sorry at all, but I’m trying to soothe your easily ruffled feathers.
Darrell
You posted a link in which Robertson is denying saying anything of the sort with regards to New Orleans having it coming with regards to KATRINA because of their decadence. I posted a Snopes link which supports Robertson. In summary for your dumbass, Robertson never said anything of the sort with regards to Katrina.
You also cited Fred Phelps who is a Democrat who supported Al Gore and who has run for state office several times as a Dem. More off topic response from you, and you’re too fucking stupid to see it.
The Other Steve
I wonder who is lying to whom?
For the past six years every time an election comes along the cries are about abortion, gays, guns, etc. Yet after the election the GOP doesn’t really do anything that addresses these issues. So a sane rational intellect would basically understand that they’re essentially using those issues to blame something else to distract from the real problems.
Yet you are calling this logic a lie. Why might that be?
Or do you deny that for the past three election cycles, the subject of Gay Marriage and Abortion has been a prominent feature of the Republican platform?
If you’re going to deny it, you might want to talk to South Dakota. The wingnuts are trying to reintroduce abortion, evne after they were soundly defeated in the last election on the same issue.
Darrell
Damn right. If you lefties can’t have your groupthink echo chamber, then shut ‘er down.
Darrell
Please cite instances where the administration or GOP in general has ever blamed “gays” or “immigrants” for our failures? Cite them.
Because barring that, you’re just another dishonest leftist making excuses for the inexecusable because he happens to be on your ‘side’.
The Other Steve
This was the message Republican Americans sent out following Katrina. Word for word, cut and pasted from a variety of websites where it has been archived.
The Other Steve
So you are denying that the GOP has brought up the issue of gay marriage at numerous times?
Interesting, I didn’t think you were that fucking dishonest.
Zifnab
Republicans love babies. That’s the reason they oppose abortions and gay marriage. And they need to defend babies, so they all get guns. Also, babies are expensive to take care of. That’s why they want to cut taxes.
What does sane rational intellect have to do with any of that you leftist, marxist, commie, fuckwad, loser, Michael Moore’s assface, nazi, leftist, commie, prick?
The Other Steve
Didn’t Darrell himself say that Katrina was the fault of gay boyscout leaders?
Darrell
Steve, please cite who these “Republican” Americans are, because you’ve caught lying before and I think you’re lying again now.
Are you sure it wasn’t posted by Fred Phelps’ Democrats?
Zifnab
Please site where he’s a dishonest leftist making excuses for the inexcusable! Otherwise your a Nazi hypocrit racist pig.
Darrell
The GOP has brought up gay marriage and the Democrat party has brought up gay marriage. Neither has a damn thing to do with the question at hand with regards to the lying smear which B. Obama has made, and that you have defended.
Please cite instances where the administration or GOP in general has ever blamed âgaysâ or âimmigrantsâ for our failures? Cite them
jg
TOS, we’re dealing with simple minds. If there isn’t a direct quote of a named administration official which is directly on point then it simply isn’t
.
Pb
Bush calls for ban on same-sex marriages:
Next jackalope?
John D.
No.
NO. NO. NO.
Go READ the fucking link, you jackass.
The original article, the one Snopes discusses, was about Robertson blaming Katrina on ELLEN DEGENERES. *HE* responded with Katrina was caused by
Please stop thinking you have found something. Go read the link I provided. It’s the letter Pat Robertson sent to Dateline Hollywood to correct the record.
Until you actually read that, your opinion has absolutely no merit. Snopes is not discussing my link. Snopes is discussing the same thing my link is discussing — they are both responses to the same flawed report.
Zifnab
Please site where either the GOP or the Democrats have mentioned gay marriage. You lying half-wit fucktard cuntsplatter.
Tom in Texas
Here’s the thing — the gay marriage jackalope is a trap. Obama himself is against gay marriage, though he doesn’t support a constitutional amendment banning it. The question is, does the GOP blame others for problems caused by our own disastrous actions since 2000? Do they, after deriding anyone who suggested in any way that mankind’s actions are responsible for natural disasters afterwards, then blame said disasters on the left or on gays or immigrants? John D’s link shows Robertson believes that Katrina was caused by Jazz, and that Degeneres will be responsible for the next earthquake to hit SoCal. If he isn’t blaming gays and leftist musicians, who is he blaming?
Darrell
You’re even stupider than I feared, and you’re not ashamed to parade your stupidity around everyone. As Snopes makes clear, the Dateline Hollywood articles on Pat Robertson are/were spoof SATIRE you dolt.
John D., you mean you were so f*cking stupid as to have believed that Robertson seriously wrote this:
Yes John, you really are that big of a dumbass, just like most of the other leftists posting here.
You actually took quotes from a spoof satire article, quotes which anyone with a lick of sense could see were doctored, and you wave those quotes around as if Robertson actually said it.. Kind of sad how so many of you have such limited mental capacity
Zifnab
What is “People not watching his TV Show, buying his fruit shakes, or giving him money” Alex.
I’ll take “People who can leg press 2000 lbs” for $400.
ImJohnGalt
I actually posted a few links before anyone (credit, please?) but it must have been held for moderation. Of particular note re:Katrina and Religion was this link. Now, I’m not suggesting you take counterbias’s word for any of the quotes in the article, because every one of them is sourced – follow the links.
Darrell
I guess you too missed the OBVIOUS glaring statement in the Snopes article that the “jazz” quote was from a spoof article written in Dateline Hollywood. It’s not a “real” article.
So many of you are just that stupid.
Zifnab
Prove it was a satire, you one-testicled sea-turtle fornicator. Otherwise you’re a brainless monkey turd full of untruths.
Darrell
Shove Zifnab in the shortbus with the rest of you leftards.
Zifnab
Your mom smokes crack and your father takes it from burley used car salesmen in the back of an old auto lot.
ThymeZone
You are weird, man. Did you think this was MySpace? Who comes here to “make friends” and “win people over?”
I have never had such a schoolgirlish thought here for one fucking minute. Grow up for crissakes.
Tom in Texas
Again Darrell — the article you posted in Robertson’s defense quotes him saying that gay pride participants in Orlando are inviting the wrath of God. It doesn’t do much to prove your point, and it does much to prove Obama’s — that the current Washington MOD is to ignore the consequences of our actions and to blame someone else.
Darrell
John D. and Tom in Texas are no doubt scouring the Onion and Scrutator for more incriminating “facts”.
Darrell
Tom in Texas, just have an ounce of integrity and fess up that you got suckered into believing a spoof because, well, because you’re obviously not too bright.
Andrew
It’s not the GAY, it’s ABORTION that caused Katrina. Jesus people, get your sinning in order.
ROBERTSON:
Andrew
Oh yeah, that gem of a quote was from two weeks after Katrina. It’s like a little bit of Jesus juice right in the eye of the sinner. Booyah.
Zifnab
Darrell, weren’t you the guy who got all hot and bothered when someone posted an Onion link and you practically wet yourself over how it wasn’t true?
John D.
Hey, I’ll admit to falling for the spoof. Given Robertson’s predilection for blaming gays (that the Snopes article referenced as well), it was all too believable. Mea culpa. I was wrong.
Now, when are you going to get around to figuring out that I am not a leftist? I’ve only told you I’m not five times in the past. (And no, you don’t get to attempt to claim you didn’t call me one; juxtaposing me with leftists as you did above and have done in the past is *way* too coincidental to be believed).
ThymeZone
Easy, you are going to give Darrell a hard on.
Focus On Your Own Damn Family!
Hey! Give us a break over here! We’re doing the best we can, but it’s tough going with only 6 of us non-zombified Coloradans left. Although I’m very happy to report that the sun is breaking through the fog of zombie dust that emanates from Focus and Six Flags Over Jesus. Looks like it’s thinning out some….
If what we’ve seen so far from Obama becomes his modus operandi, the rabid right is going to have a difficult time getting under his skin. They’re going to have a hard time swiftboating this guy…
Darrell
I’ll give you credit for owning up to being suckered so easily. I remember “RSA” denying he was a leftist too, later admitting he was a liberal who just didn’t like the “leftist” label even though it fit.
I’ve never seen you take one position on this blog that could reasonably be described as conservative or even centrist..
I’ve noticed that quite a number of liberals go around saying that they’re centrists or moderates.
Darrell
Nope, wasn’t me. Typically, it’s your leftard bretheren who fall for spoofs so easily.
Zifnab
Prove it, Darrell. That’s an awfully tall order, “never”. Just like Pat Robertson “never” said anything bad about gay people. Why are you so full of lies?
Darrell
Obama said:
And it’s been pointed out:
Barack Obama lied in order to smear. And no one in the media challenged him.
Zifnab
You’re just saying that because you hate black people. Why do you hate black people, Darrell?
Zifnab
Also,
Mayor Giuliani in a dress
grandpa john
Hmmm I note however that darrell has not responded to all the other links to katrina blamings such as the ones that john galt linked him to. you people going to let him get away with moving the goalposts again?
grandpa john
Hmmm I note however that darrell has not responded to all the other links to katrina blamings such as the ones that john galt linked him to. you people going to let him get away with moving the goalposts again?
JImmy Mack
Grandpa John, was it really so important you had to say it twice? I guess the leftards are having some trouble with the submit comment button today.,,
John D.
How generous of you to “give me credit”.
I’ve explained my political leaning, in response to you, twice now. For the third time, I am socially somewhat liberal, fiscally quite conservative, and a strict adherent to civil liberties. I am not a small-l libertarian, nor a large-L Libertarian (for I am a realist). I am best described as center-right if using the single-axis determination. I realize that this makes me a flaming liberal in your eyes, but hey, you don’t get to define such things.
I trust no government to do what is best for the people. I only trust them to do what they think will keep them in power. I believe that we have not only rights as citizens, but responsibilities to our fellow citizens. I believe that the unrestrained free market adherents are a greater threat to our civilization than the unrestrained socialists, by a hair, if only because I’ve actually seen unrestrained free marketers with power, while the other is still a myth.
I believe that government encroaching upon our civil liberties represents a greater danger than all the acts of terrorism committed upon us by enemies foreign AND domestic.
That, Darrell, is a conservative position. And it’s where I stand until the day I die.
JImmy Mack
You call in conservative, others might call it naive. To say that Alberto Gonzales is more of a threat then Osama bin Laden is…unwise. It’s pretty clear that we need to give up some of our liberties in order to remain safe. That’s what most Americans think, at least. What’s the old saying, “the constitution is not a suicide pact.”
Zifnab
When all this is said and done, we can do a head count to see who’s ruined more lives. But Osama bin Laden hasn’t been shredding the Constitution a line at a time. Frankly, I’d rather be hit by a hijacked airliner than get picked up as the next Jose Padilla. At least the airliner death is quick and doesn’t involve me going clinically insane.
That’s just my opinion, of course. But as my Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales apparently has the right to have me and everyone I hold dear arrested, tortured, and thrown in jail till we rot. I don’t know how Bin Laden could do me one worse. Gonzales comes across as alot more threatening.
Darrell
Where the hell has there been anything approaching an “unrestrained” free market economy outside of maybe Hong Kong? You saying the Soviets, Chinese, Cubans, etc are “less restrained” in their socialism?
Zifnab
Yes. That is exactly what we are saying. Tomorrow, everyone here is scattering to the Communist countries of our hearts desire so we can rejoin the collective and be one with our socialist brothers.
Fair thee well my Comrades!
rbl
While it is inspiring to see the work of a true master of the art, I feel I must inform y’all that you have been spoofed. I think the illustrious DougJ grew tired of spoofing extreme rightwingers, and went after a far more tempting target, the faux-moderate GOPers.
Ok folks, what you have here is a case of brilliant DougJ-ing, except for this one little screwup. He meant to make this comment as Jimmy Mack, but he did it on a computer that had saved his name as DougJ and he forgot to change it. Realizing his mistake, he quickly tried to cover his tracks. Now, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a final bit of proof:
Effing brilliant, and I rest my case, and no, I am not scs on some crazy paranoia binge.
jake
You forgot to mention he’s really Bill Clinton in disguise. Hide the interns!
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
If you’re going to be inflammatory, at least be accurate. It’s not like B.O. is Allen Iverson.
Rome Again
Yep, I got a son in zombified Colorado, and a daughter in Baptist-land South Carolina. God help me!
jg
This is the proof rbl:
Pb
rbl,
Everyone here is DougJ–scs told me so. Don’t ask me why he persists in talking to himself all the time, or talking about himself in the third person–that’s just the kind of guy he is, I guess.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Changing the subject doesn’t work on me. Sorry.
B.O. said “we’ve been told” by this administration “to blame the gays” for crises. He can’t prove this false allegation, you can’t prove it, no one can prove it. Because it’s a lie. It’s offensive, outrageous, and he ought to apologize. But he won’t because he won’t be pressed to correct the record by the media, and Democrats (the Party of Conscience, remember?) actually encourage their candidates to lie about Republicans.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
So in Crazy Moonbat Hypothetical-Land, the Attorney General of the US is worse than bin Laden…and Hitler combined, no doubt. Meanwhile, in the real world that human with functioning braincells inhabit, bin Laden is responsible for thousands of deaths, and Gonzales was too tough for lefties’ tender sensibilities on Jose Padilla, a criminal gang-banger from LA who volunteered to join Al-Qaeda to kill Americans and who trained at terrorist camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Gonzales is the real menace — worse than Satan and Pol Pot together! And Stalin!
C’mon, Zif, are you a spoof, or are your parents brother and sister?
TenguPhule
Only Darrell can take two seperate sentences and confuse them together into something else.
TenguPhule
And we’re all still waiting for the government to prove all of this. Instead they tortured him into insanity. And he’s one of the few *known* ones. How many thousands have disappeared as ‘ghost detainees’ never to be seen again?
Rome Again
EEEL, why must you think that the US only produces good, decent, upstanding people? No country can do that, we’re all human, and we all have failings. Stop taking it as such as personal affront simply because your country is the one which currently produces such stink.
It’s a pity you can’t be more human, and less of a nationalist.
jake
Correct! Completely unlike the Republicans who don’t discourage it because they’re the party of … no conscience? … unconscious? …
I forget. Anyway. Hang the lefty moonbats!
jg
Yes. Know why? Power. Gonsales has it. If he or John Yoo decides that even though its not written anywhere in the constitution that the gov’t can search and seize without warrant, the fact of the 4th amendment restriction implies gov’t does have this power and that it can be reclaimed under extreme circumstances.
That’s much worse that Pdilla no matter how big his bomb might be.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
In other news, Amanda Marcotte has “resigned.” I’m sure it was of her own free will (Cough, cough). Edwards really stood up to Donohue guy, like a real far-lefty — he didn’t fire her! She just decided to quit…four days later. That’s their story and they’re sticking to it.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Of course, if you could read, you’d realize how dead wrong you have me pegged.
We produced Jose Padilla, and he’s a traitorous piece of shit who deserved nothing better than two rounds in the back of the skull from the first CIA agent who encountered him.
Feel better?
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
So if those two sentences are not to be listened to together (which I find highly irregular, being in the same paragraph) what specific “real failures” is Obama saying that “we’ve been told” by the Administration to blame on Teh Ghey? Maybe you can come up with what Obama meant, becasue no one else has been able to. Where’s the quote saying we should blame gays for anything, where’s the link, where’s the documentation? Why wouldn’t he be specific about what he meant, and why wouldn’t the media ask him about such an inflammatory, undocumented charge?
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
By your “rationale,” every cop is a bigger “menace” than the criminals he opposes. Why? Power. The cop has it, and the criminals don’t.
What a deep thinker you are.
ThymeZone
Half the posters here are spoofs, asshole. Do you think you have discovered penicillin?
Jesus, not my yard man, wonders why you don’t get a useful hobby?
Can you prove who you are? Then you’re just another character written by DougJ as far as I’m concerned.
ThymeZone
I don’t think He posts here any more, not since the Schiavo thing. Besides, He fucking hates scs.
Rome Again
No, not even close. But those with power? what of them? you cite some nobody who ended up on the wrong side of US law (for whatever reason, I don’t know if he really did what you think he did or if he was just caught in the wrong place at the wrong time).
My point is, Padilla was a NOBODY, why do you cite him? Why do you expect those in power to be so upstanding?
ThymeZone
Uh no, by your idiotic attempt to attach a beginner’s logical fallacy to your adversary, construct a lame ass strawman, and then amuse yourself by attacking the strawman while primping in your mirror.
You are the one trying to construct the general from a reference to the specific. Not even worth a “nice try” since you royally fucked it up.
Don’t you have some homework to do for your Home Economics class?
Rome Again
Well, EEEL, when they come for you, I will most likely already have been taken, so don’t expect me to stand up for you.
It is ludicrous to think that rights are only for those who don’t need them because they do nothing wrong. One day you will do something wrong, and you’ll need those rights, but feel free to piss them away, and fuck yourself in the process. Unless you’re in the upper echelons of society, you are part of “the
Rome Again
Sorry, posted before I was finished…
Unless you are part of the upper echelons of society, you are part of the people, and you do no favors to yourself or any of the other members of “the people” by pissing those rights away.
Jimmy Mack
TWOC, DougJ, EEEL…Jesus, do you people have your own language here?
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
It’s not a strawman, it’s an extension of the argument, from one specific to another. His argument is ludicrous, and if you prop it up, you’re a moron. Stick to calling people names — it’s more up your street.
ThymeZone
Sure. Like most yardmen here, Jesus speaks street Spanish.
You got a problem with that?
ThymeZone
Not even you can be that fucking stupid.
You extrapolated from Gonzalez to “every cop.”
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MATTER WITH YOU? You can’t even read your own stupid posts??
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
The day I quit my life as an LA gangbanger, join al-Qaeda, vow to attack Americans, and go to terrorist training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan is the day I give up my rights as an American. That’s the day I deserve immediate, no-questions-asked execution if caught by the US government.
Rome Again
It is Republicanitis TZ, pay it no attention. They always use this type of shit, you and I both know it. There is no such thing as a logical fallacy where IOKIYAR is concerned.
The Other Steve
So why all the fuss? You admit that the GOP has been using the issue of gay marriage to scare people and distract them from real problems.
so why all the fuss?
Seems to me if this wasn’t true you wouldn’t be so defensive about it.
ThymeZone
Grrr. Thyme mad!
The Other Steve
Then perhaps you could explain why the GOP keeps bringing up flag burning, abortion, gay marriage and so on…
If they have no intention of actually passing any laws?
Rome Again
at me? I certainly hope not.
Jimmy Mack
I think you deserve some sort of hearing, be it a tribunal or a usual court trial. What you don’t deserve is a high-priced defense lawyer working on pro bono who gets you off on a technicality. And it looks like that’s what Padilla is getting.
Rome Again
:;raises hand:: “I know, I know… to agitate for Republican votes?”
ThymeZone
No, of course not; at EEEL.
Pb
Pop quiz, everyone: how much of a pathological liar do you have to be before you just start assuming that everyone else is lying all the time, too?
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Yes, that a logical extension, from one specific to another. I’ll illustrate:
Idiot A says that the AG is a bigger menace than Osama bin Laden (some other challenged drone mistook the argument for Gonzales v Padilla, but whatever) bacause he has power, full stop. Well, one way (and certainly not the only way) a smarter person could show the bizarre nature of that brand of logic (which takes into account neither the propensity to use that power in a menacing manner, nor the demonstrable history of the use of that power versus what we know of the terrorist) would be to find a similar person with government-given legal power who regularly confronts wrongdoers without legal power, to show the insanity of the argument that power over others, full stop, makes you more of a menace than poor, powerless criminals. I chose police, but I could’ve chosen others.
Easy to understand?
Rome Again
Whew! ::breathes heavy sigh of relief::
ThymeZone
Why are you wasting our time, man? Everybody saw what you wrote. You fucked up. Just drop it.
Are you really so self-important that you have to spend all night defending yourself from your own second-rate gaffe?
What are you, fucking Darrell on steroids?
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Your premise is wrong, so the conclusion is naturally wrong, as well. I’m not assuming she (or anyone else) is “lying all the time.” I’m just not so naive as to believe that hard-fighter-I’ll-show-you-all Mandy all of a sudden decided that the right side of the blogosphere (which Edwards had just defeated by Standing Up To The Religionists, right?) was just too tough for her to handle. Far more likely to me that Edwards “stood up” for her so the Lefties would cheer his courage against The Catholics for a few days, but if he got no big bump out of it (which he didn’t), she’d “quit.”
Tulkinghorn
Thems fighting words.
So Padilla is entitled to a crappy lawyer you approve of?
Being as this is (reportedly) a free country, the accused is entitled to the counsel he chooses. And being innocent of the charges is a pretty good technicality. Being made incompetent due to abuse from the authorities is an excellent technicality. If you object to that, you might as well sign up with the skinheads – you are too far gone. I won’t waste my time trying to correct an un-american moral cretin.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
I only hope they can read English better than you. Damning with faint praise, I know…
Feel free to proclaim which side of Zif/jg “AG Gonzales is more of a menace than bin Laden (or Padilla) because he has power” argument you geniuses stand on. That should be good for a laugh.
ThymeZone
Can you type three letters without lying?
I make no such claim. My claim is that you employed a beginner’s logical gaffe to construct a strawman.
You’re an ass.
That’s my claim.
Rome Again
The problem with power, is that it corrupts absolutely. When certain people get too much power, the restrict laws further. It will take a lot less than this when the time comes EEEL, perhaps all you’ll want is to buy a controlled substance in the store (such as alcohol or cigarettes) and you will be put on the watch list. Then suppose you get caught speeding just a tad, and your name becomes more noticeble. Then, you forget to pay a bill, and WHAM, there you are looking at the same shit that you say you could never be guilty of, simply because the laws were what changed. Read Orwell, he was very prescient.
rbl
First of all, the effing brilliant was directed towards the Jimmy-Mack-as-spoof performance, not toward myself.
Second, I’ve been reading BJ ever since Terri Schivo’s corpse was still hooked up to life support, and I’m well aware that spoofing goes on here.
Third, there are enough genuine cryptofascists to argue with without having to address fake ones.
Fourth, Scrutator rocked.
Fifth, if I am DougJ, that would be delightfully meta.
ThymeZone
Yeah, you’re gay.
tBone
Gee, didn’t Robertson agree with Falwell shortly after 9-11 that gays (among others) were to blame? I could swear I heard something about that.
Oh, but wait. It’s not from a Republican in high elective office, so it doesn’t count, right, Mac? Doesn’t matter how many quotes there are from influential pundits or powerful religious nutbars or even drooling water-carriers like yourself.
The only “outrageous” thing about Obama’s quote is how quickly it put a twist in your panties.
Rome Again
TY tBone, that was my point exactly. It flew overhead apparently.
Richard 23
Ah, the so-called “tolerance” of the “reality based” community. Do you blame gays for Katrina? Maybe the myth of honest Christian Republicans blaming teh gay for everything bad is merely wackjob projection.
You just can’t help yourselves. It’s who you are.
Rome Again
Richard, put a sock in it, anything “meta” IS gay.
Richard 23
TOSser said:
The last time the Flag Desecration Amendment came up, it was narrowly defeated (66-34, one vote shy of sending it to the states). Look at this list of “GOP” Senators to vote Yes:
If the GOP keeps bringing it up, why do Democrats keep voting for it? Wasn’t Feinstein a co-sponsor?
So go ahead and pretend that protecting the flag from vile desecration is a GOP issue and not an urgent American issue. Dishonest to the core.
Rome Again
It’s a fucking piece of cloth, it’s a symbol (I don’t believe in symbols,I believe in real things) and as far as I’m concerned, if I never see another one, I’ll be happy. Just because I’m an American doesn’t mean I have to like the flag, got that?
It’s a GOP issue, it is not urgent, nor is it truly American.
ThymeZone
Well said, Rome.
Richard 23
Try burning Old Glory at a VFW meeting, calmly explaining that what so many of their friends died for is just a “symbol” that you “don’t like.” Further explain that you’d be happy if you never saw another one, if you can still speak through your broken teeth.
You’ll learn what the expression âkick the liberals soft teeth down their throatsâ really means.
And I’m sure plenty of veterans would be more than happy to help you never see a flag again, one way or another.
If it’s a “GOP issue” then why did so many of your friends in the Democrat party vote for it? Answer that one, “Rome Again.”
ThymeZone
They voted for it because it was a chance to buy cheap political cover without risk, since the votes were mapped out and the chance of passage was zero.
The whole thing was a staged, theatrical event, and if you knew anything about how the Senate worked, you’d know that.
Richard 23
Point well taken. The Democrat party is inhabited by gutless poll watchers who want nothing more than to be re-elected. Since it failed to be passed onto the states by only one vote, the chance of passage was higher than zero however. How honest of you to portray it that way.
Well I can’t entirely disagree with it being theatrical, but it was for a good cause.
ThymeZone
Hey Richard, here’s the thing, if you can’t read a post and respond in a reasonable manner without fucking with simple and obvious facts, then don’t waste peoples’ time.
The votes were staged. the one-vote shortfall was planned and staged. They could have made it 20.
Do you get it? Do you get anything?
Dya read the posts you respond to, or are you just here to blow this crap out your ass and attract attention?
Rome Again
Honest truth? Because so many of them are just starting to figure out how to go out on an limb and say what they mean/mean what they say… your side has got the so freaked out over stupid non-substance issues which mean absolutely NOTHING to everyday life of ordinary Americans. It’s the reason I became an independent and why I’m only starting to hear what I want to hear from them now.
The GOP bandwagon of the early naughty aughties was perplexing, and it was dangerous to independent thought. I’m so glad to see it is finally coming to an end and we can go back to thinking for ourselves again.
You think living, and dying for a piece of cloth is honorable? I think not killing humanity is honorable. I’ll take my idea of honor over yours any day of the week, fuckhead.
jg
That’s not even close to what I was talking about but again well played. You’ve totally trumped the argument I wasn’t making. Killed it. And dropped a ‘deep thinker’ bomb too. Classic.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Sigh. You’re such a victim. Everybody lying and being mean to you. Have a tissue. There. There.
Now get a grip, Paula. I didn’t say you made any claim, but then, reading doesn’t seem to be your long suit, does it? I said, and I quote, “Feel free to proclaim which side of Zif/jg’s” argument you’re on. To people without your level of paranoia and with a few more IQ points, that’s an invitation, not an lying accusation.
And you want to give me lectures on logic? That’s funny stuff!
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Well, it was what you typed. If you meant something else, be clearer. I quoted you.
I should hope you didn’t mean something so ridiculous as that, but you leave little room for interpretation there. We both know it was a silly claim to make (for the several reasons above), but to claim “strawman” like it’s your first day on the intertubes is just plain weak.
jake
It’s people like you, people who claim vets are vicious, insane thugs that are the real problem in America. I bet you dream of hocking your pot-laced phlegm all over the Iwo Jima Memorial.
Stop hating on our troops, hippy!
The Other Steve
Generally when I want a flag burned, I send it to the VFW.
The Other Steve
I notice Lambchop and Darrell have refused to acknowledge that the GOP uses gays as a distraction.
John D.
No, that’s not clear at all.
What’s more, I can think of few more profoundly un-American statements possible. Do you not know history *at all*?
I’m so damn tired of the chickenshits in this country. I’ll give you the opportunity to try to prove your assertion, but I’ll give you fair warning — I’m predisposed against it, fairly strongly.
John D.
I’m a member of the VFW (Desert Shield/Desert Storm vet), Richard, and I’ve burned flags there. Amazingly enough, I have all my teeth still.
According to the VFW, the *only* proper method of disposal of a flag is burning. Just stop with the macho he-man bullshit, OK? You want to burn a flag in protest? Fine. It’s protected speech, according to the Supreme Court. Would it make me happy? Not really.
Would I kick someone’s ass for doing so? No. Because of the thing you get from military service, Richard, is fucking discipline. Discipline means you realize that even if you don’t like something, you may not have the right to do anything about it. So you suck it up and drive on.
Rome Again
Calm down, the man is obviously brainwashed into thinking that pieces of red, white and blue cloth mean so much more about life than they really do. Have pity on the poor fool, that’s what he deserves.
ThymeZone
Nice try. Like I said, you’re an ass. I know which side of that question I’m on. I’m on the “you’re an ass” side.
jg
That’s not a quote, its a partial quote. Just because you had to stop reading because your brain got full doesn’t mean my point stopped where your brain shut down. Keep reading. I explain what I mean by power. I’m sure you’ll still find a way to dishonestly twist it into something that won’t be convincing to you but I’d have to be trying to convince you of something to care about that.
TenguPhule
Shorter Jimmy: I think you should have a trial as long as you are still found guilty.
TenguPhule
Shorter Darrell: Let me completely mix this up to try and trip you up.
Gay Marriage, Immigrants, Abortion and other stupid distractions *from* problems and failures, not causes.
I fully expect Darrell to rebut using the Martian and Venusian Republican talking points.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Hey, congratulations! You got through reading an entire sentence without embarrassing yourself by committing a 4-year-old’s comprehension error (apology accepted, by the way). Woo-hoo! Here’s a cookie.
That being said, I’ll just put you down for an “of course, you’re right, but I’m too much a coward to speak against my echo-chamber-pals.” Heh.
Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop
Better use up all that deficit scare-talk before the numbers come out!
And the GOP had better start hyping their numbers, because they should know that the media won’t mention possible surplus until they can give the Democratic Congress credit for it! It’ll be the “phantom Clinton surplus” all over again.
jg
Pure fantasy. Supply side economics does not work. Face it. And don’t Bush’s budget numbers only look reasonable because he doesn’t include the cost of the war?