Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

They love authoritarianism, but only when they get to be the authoritarians.

Hey Washington Post, “Democracy Dies in Darkness” was supposed to be a warning, not a mission statement.

Prediction: the gop will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.

Give the craziest people you know everything they want and hope they don’t ask for more? Great plan.

So many bastards, so little time.

Republicans: The threats are dire, but my tickets are non-refundable!

Hot air and ill-informed banter

You come for women, you’re gonna get your ass kicked.

rich, arrogant assholes who equate luck with genius

… pundit janitors mopping up after the gop

The “burn-it-down” people are good with that until they become part of the kindling.

Republicans don’t lie to be believed, they lie to be repeated.

They are not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.

Historically it was a little unusual for the president to be an incoherent babbling moron.

Putting aside our relentless self-interest because the moral imperative is crystal clear.

You can’t attract Republican voters. You can only out organize them.

Putin must be throwing ketchup at the walls.

So it was an October Surprise A Day, like an Advent calendar but for crime.

When you’re in more danger from the IDF than from Russian shelling, that’s really bad.

Fight for a just cause, love your fellow man, live a good life.

Sitting here in limbo waiting for the dice to roll

The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand.

Technically true, but collectively nonsense

The republican ‘Pastor’ of the House is an odious authoritarian little creep.

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Tim has several thought out, well-reasoned, and interesting posts in a row, so I feel it is my duty to shit all over the website and try to start a flamewar.

Attempt #1:Here goes:

How long before Gonzalez is fired decides to spend more time with his family? And is this the most hopelessly corrupt fucking administration, ever?

Attempt #2: The Republican Part is Divided

No shit. The moderates left, the decent religious folks had enough after Foley, and all you are left with are the Bush dead-enders, Dan Riehl, and Dobson.

Attempt #3: Nancy Pelosi should STFU.

Like, who does she think she is? Speaker of the House?

I hope you appreciate the quality effort I have put forth here. Consider this an open thread.

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131Comments

  1. 1.

    cleek

    #1 : never, yes. corruption isn’t punished, only disloyalty.
    #2 : never, the dead enders will keep the dream alive until the Dems fuck-up bad enough that people want a change.
    #3 : elections have consequences

  2. 2.

    Gary Ruppert

    is this the most hopelessly corrupt fucking administration, ever?

    The fact is that Clinton was more in bed with Enron than Bush ever was, Clinton sent us into Bosnia with no exit strategy, Clinton let Osama get away, Clinton lied to the nation, Clinton fired 93 U.S. Attorneys, and Clinton took money from the godless Chinese.

  4. 4.

    Mike S

    “Obviously I am concerned about the fact that information _ incomplete information was communicated or may have been communicated to the Congress,” Gonzales said. “I believe very strongly in our obligation to ensure that when we provide information to the Congress, it is accurate and it is complete. And I very dismayed that that may not have occurred here.”

    Shorter Gonzo: Damnit! This was so much easier when congress covered our asses.

    “We’re a go for the US Atty plan,” deputy White House counsel William K. Kelley wrote in a Dec. 4, 2006, e-mail to Sampson and Miers. “WH leg, political, communications have signed off and acknowledged that we have to be committed to following through once the pressure comes.”

    Read: Karl Rove.

  5. 5.

    demkat620

    #1 two weeks, yes, and Gonzales will be replaced by Rick Santorum.

    #2 This is a liberal media lie. The Republican Party has never been more united behind the decider. The cliff’s getting close and it’s starting to look good.

    3# Nancy will shut up when she gets her plane.

  6. 6.

    Pb

    1. Technically never, and hell yes, respectively.

    2. A house divided cannot stand, but a party divided can fracture rather impressively–here’s to hoping, anyhow. And… NYT editorial board, Masters of the Obvious!

    3. I for one welcome our new Pelosian Overlords. And… WaPo editorial board, Right-Wing Hacks Anonymous!

  8. 8.

    Dug Jay

    The fact is that Clinton was more in bed with Enron than Bush ever was, Clinton sent us into Bosnia with no exit strategy, Clinton let Osama get away, Clinton lied to the nation, Clinton fired 93 U.S. Attorneys, and Clinton took money from the godless Chinese.

    And that barely even scratches the surface….he also boinked Barbra Streisand.

  9. 9.

    demimondian

    I feel it is my duty to shit all over the website and try to start a flamewar.

    And then you wonder why we think that Darrell is one of your puppets?

  10. 10.

    physics geek

    How long before Gonzalez is fired decides to spend more time with his family? And is this the most hopelessly corrupt fucking administration, ever?

    I actually don’t understand the problem with the president firing US attorneys. They are appointed positions, if I remember correctly. I didn’t care when Clinton fired them all back in his first term, so why should I care about some of them getting fired now?

    I have lots of reason to loathe the Bush administration, but the US attorney non-story isn’t one of them.

  11. 11.

    ThymeZone

    John, your best post ever!!

    { time passes }

    Just kidding.

    Is this the most hopelessly corrupt admin ever? Not sure yet, there is still Nixon to compete with. In terms of totally base corruption, maybe not, but in terms of real harm to the government that affects citizens ….. maybe yes. Probably yes.

  12. 12.

    Tulkinghorn

    And that barely even scratches the surface….he also boinked Barbra Streisand.

    And what about his cocaine smuggling enterprise?

    And they never did find the Zodiac killer…

  13. 13.

    Jay C

    and Clinton took money from the godless Chinese.

    Good! At least we got some of it back: under Bush, the cashflow has all been one-way!

  15. 15.

    dreggas

    physics geek says:

    I actually don’t understand the problem with the president firing US attorneys. They are appointed positions, if I remember correctly. I didn’t care when Clinton fired them all back in his first term, so why should I care about some of them getting fired now?

    I have lots of reason to loathe the Bush administration, but the US attorney non-story isn’t one of them.

    When the “hit list” was produced highlighting those who were sufficiently loyal to the president and the attorney general (not that they were good at their jobs etc, just loyal to bush) and the ones getting axed as not being sufficiently loyal you should care.

    Bottom line they serve at the so-called “pleasure of the president” but their job is not to serve the president nor be loyal only to the president, they are confirmed by the senate and serve tha DOJ and the American people. Those getting axed were doing their jobs well (and in some cases too well). The president is not vested with the authority to appoint people to a department only to use them to go after his or his party’s political enemies.

  16. 16.

    Louise

    TZ are you kidding me? Nixon and Co. were amateurs compared to this crew. Maybe there’s just been more time in the intervening years to get control over the media and congresscritters, but the damage these f**kers are doing is much worse, to the constitution and to the reputation of our country.

    01/20/09. Or sooner.

  17. 17.

    Ellison, Ellensburg, Ellers, and Lambchop

    I actually don’t understand the problem with the president firing US attorneys. They are appointed positions, if I remember correctly. I didn’t care when Clinton fired them all back in his first term, so why should I care about some of them getting fired now?

    Silly PG, you don’t get it — it’s wrong and corrupt and hateful and woefully depressing because he’s Evil Darth Bush. In contrast, Clinton was not BusHitler McChimpyburton, so I don’t see what his administration has to do with this conversation.

    Good DAY to you, sir.

    /BDS

  19. 19.

    demimondian

    Oh, look! Mac is back. (Back in black.)

    PG, the point is not whether or not the USA’s could be fired by the prez. They absolutely could. The first question is whether they were fired because they were unwilling to engage in political prosecutions for imaginary crimes. (Ob disc: I live in Washington State, and the Master Builders are the most crooked organization in the state. Anything which hurts them is good, in my eyes, so I’m not a disinterested party in the McKay dismissal.) The second question is whether the DoJ representatives then lied about it.

    Remember — it isn’t the original action which gets you into trouble in DC. It’s the cover-up afterwards. That was true with Monica and the Plumbers, and it looks like it will be true here, too.

  20. 20.

    John S.

    Yikes!

    The spoof to non-spoof ratio on this thread so far is like 3:1…

    I pronounce this thread DOA.

  22. 22.

    Oregonian

    I actually don’t understand the problem with the president firing US attorneys. They are appointed positions, if I remember correctly. I didn’t care when Clinton fired them all back in his first term, so why should I care about some of them getting fired now?

    You should care (and care very deeply) because Bush is literally attacking one of the founding principles of the United States: equal justice under law.

    It has been a normal thing for a new president to bring in his own team to the cabinet and the Justice Department, but it has also been understood for two centuries that the people in those positions are ultimately serving the Constitution and the nation as a whole. They are not there to serve as flacks for the president’s party. Clinton appointed Janet Reno as Attorney General, but that didn’t stop her from appointing a special prosecutor to look into Whitewater and Monicagate.

    What Bush and Gonzales have done is to turn the Justice Department into a branch of the Republican party. The attorneys who were fired recently were not dismissed as a part of a presidential turnover or for poor performance in their jobs. They were dismissed because they dared to investigate Republican corruption and because they didn’t help to swing the last election by drumming up false charges against Democrats. In other words, they were fired for doing their jobs and upholding the laws. That’s a really serious thing.

    Do you want the laws of the nation to only apply to the party that is out of power? Do you want party membership to be a “get out of jail free” card? If not, you should wake up and start paying attention to this story. To get the full picture of what’s going on, the best place to go is Talking Points Memo.

    http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

  23. 23.

    Rome Again

    Why doesn’t the Bush Administration fire ThymeZone? Nobody much likes him.

    I beg to differ, I like him very much.

    Besides, what would they fire him FROM?

  24. 24.

    Tulkinghorn

    I have never heard of anyone being fired from Social Security, but I imaging that if Bush could find a way to do it to TZ, he would do it.

  25. 25.

    canuckistani

    my duty to shit all over the website

    Jesus H. Christ, can’t you show a bit of fucking civility and stop shitting rude words all over the goddamned fucking internet? Are you some kind of pigfucking shitstained liberal, for fuck’s sake?

  27. 27.

    Zifnab

    You should care (and care very deeply) because Bush is literally attacking one of the founding principles of the United States: equal justice under law.

    Well, that’s not the real problem. The real problem is that Gonzales used the Patriot Act to circumvent Congressional Oversight. Normally, these USAs have a hard time getting the posts unless their home-state Senators give them a leg up. But many of these attorneys were from Blue Senator states and would have a harder time getting confirmed.

    Like a drunk teen with his prom date, Bush thought he could slide it in the back door without any complaints. And like a drunk teen with his prom date, he just ended up getting alot of screaming and face-slapping for his trouble.

    The bigger rub is that he wants to replace these guys with partisan hacks who will press charges on Dems and drop charges on ‘Pubs with some faint hope of political gamesmanship. It’s so openly, blatantly, ham-fistedly corrupt, I’m amazed someone didn’t stop and say, “Wtf are we thinking, this is never going to fly.”

  28. 28.

    Rome Again

    I have never heard of anyone being fired from Social Security, but I imaging that if Bush could find a way to do it to TZ, he would do it.

    Bush is trying to fire everyone from Social Security… but that wouldn’t leave TZ without an income anyway.

  29. 29.

    dreggas

    The bigger rub is that he wants to replace these guys with partisan hacks who will press charges on Dems and drop charges on ‘Pubs with some faint hope of political gamesmanship. It’s so openly, blatantly, ham-fistedly corrupt, I’m amazed someone didn’t stop and say, “Wtf are we thinking, this is never going to fly.”

    I believe it is called hubris.

  30. 30.

    Rome Again

    The bigger rub is that he wants to replace these guys with partisan hacks who will press charges on Dems and drop charges on ‘Pubs with some faint hope of political gamesmanship. It’s so openly, blatantly, ham-fistedly corrupt, I’m amazed someone didn’t stop and say, “Wtf are we thinking, this is never going to fly.”

    Sorry, but that sounds like the entire last five years of BushCo to me.

  31. 31.

    CaseyL

    Civil service jobs – and US Attorneys are civil servants – is not supposed to be pure patronage. Andrew Jackson, way back in 1830, won the Presidency in part because he promised to make sure the people who got civil service jobs were actually fit to hold them.

    That doesn’t eliminate patronage altogether, but it does hold down the most egregious examples.

    Until now. Bush has treated, not just the White House, but the entire government, like a goody bag for friends, cronies, and RW-sponsored incompetents. Remember when the Bushies sent kids from the Enterprise Institute to go set up Iraq’s economic structure? Remember when he nominated Harriet Meiers to the SCOTUS? And now: please note that some of the attorneys the WH wanted to install are in the early stages of their legal careers, with little prosecutorial experience, but loads of political connections.

    It’s our government, y’know. Not Bush’s. Not Rove’s. Not the GOP’s. That’s our government they’re using like a cheap whore.

  32. 32.

    jg

    Is this the most hopelessly corrupt admin ever? Not sure yet, there is still Nixon to compete with.

    This is the Nixon administration.

  33. 33.

    ThymeZone

    TZ are you kidding me? Nixon and Co. were amateurs compared to this crew. Maybe there’s just been more time in the intervening years to get control over the media and congresscritters, but the damage these f**kers are doing is much worse, to the constitution and to the reputation of our country.

    Um, that’s pretty much what I said, isn’t it?

    Corruption is hard to measure, but when you have drawers full of cash in the White House to pay burglars, I think that’s a little hard to top.

    But for real damage to real people, Bush is the winner.

  34. 34.

    Rome Again

    But for real damage to real people, Bush is the winner.

    Ding, Ding, Ding! “We have a winner!”

  35. 35.

    Darrell

    It has been a normal thing for a new president to bring in his own team to the cabinet and the Justice Department, but it has also been understood for two centuries that the people in those positions are ultimately serving the Constitution and the nation as a whole. They are not there to serve as flacks for the president’s party. Clinton appointed Janet Reno as Attorney General, but that didn’t stop her from appointing a special prosecutor to look into Whitewater and Monicagate.

    Didn’t we have a special prosecutor for Plamegate? What other scandals do you feel should have warranted a special prosecutor?

    The attorneys who were fired recently were not dismissed as a part of a presidential turnover or for poor performance in their jobs. They were dismissed because they dared to investigate Republican corruption and because they didn’t help to swing the last election by drumming up false charges against Democrats.

    Ah yes, nothing like a good old fashioned sweeping, totally unsupported assertion like that to make your “point”.

  36. 36.

    ThymeZone

    Ding, Ding, Ding! “We have a winner!”

    Maybe. We also have to factor in Nixon’s “Peace With Honor” which was good for about 25,000 of the names on the Vietnam Memorial.

    That alone may make him the ultimate winner. It’s really a tough call, balancing destruction of liberties against slaughter of people for political reasons. How do we measure something like that?

  37. 37.

    Rome Again

    That alone may make him the ultimate winner. It’s really a tough call, balancing destruction of liberties against slaughter of people for political reasons. How do we measure something like that?

    Well, it seems to me we have to factor in not just the total number of lives lost, but the total number of people who are living close to devastation and if you consider Katrina, Healthcare, Bankruptcy and all that alone, it would top that 25,000 easily.

  38. 38.

    ThymeZone

    Ah yes, nothing like a good old fashioned sweeping, totally unsupported assertion like that to make your “point”.

    Get out of here, you piece of crap.

    And answer the question put to you on the Coulter thread. You think you are going to run away and hide over here?

    Why the fuck did you make dozens of posts to a thread and you can’t even write a simple sentence to explain your position on the main topic of that thread? What the hell are you doing here?

  39. 39.

    Darrell

    TZ are you kidding me? Nixon and Co. were amateurs compared to this crew.

    From what I’ve read, they’re all amateurs compared to LBJ. Entered political office a poor man, but left a multi millionaire through blatent corruption.. refusal to bomb the Ho Chi Minh trail giving our troops needed air support, which cost a lot of lives. Nope, LBJ from what I’ve read, took the cake by far.

  40. 40.

    Darrell

    Why the fuck did you make dozens of posts to a thread and you can’t even write a simple sentence to explain your position on the main topic of that thread?

    Do you leftist freaks think that flaunting your mental illness is a good thing? Or is it a cry for help?

  41. 41.

    Bruce Moomaw

    I don’t know if I’d quite call this the most corrupt administration ever — Harding and (especially) Grant give it some stiff competition — but I have never seen such a combination of Grant-style corruption, Nixon-style would-be tyranny, and Carter-style incompetence. This man is, at the least, the worst US president since Andrew Johnson — and it may not be accident that he’s actually our very first authentic “Old South” President since Andrew Johnson (Wilson having been influenced by the North; Bush Sr. being a transplanted Yankee; and LBJ, Carter and Clinton being relatively liberal New Southerners).

  42. 42.

    Oregonian

    It’s really a tough call, balancing destruction of liberties against slaughter of people for political reasons.

    Why do we have to choose? Bush has both the Patriot Act and the Iraq war on his record.

  43. 43.

    ThymeZone

    From what I’ve read

    Answer the fucking question, Darrell.

    You won’t post here again without the question being in your face, until you answer it. I promise your ass.

    What position are representing on the Coulter thread?

    What is your position on the use of the word “faggot” in a political arena which is showcasing Republican candidates?

  44. 44.

    Darrell

    This man is, at the least, the worst US president since Andrew Johnson—and it may not be accident that he’s actually our very first authentic “Old South” President since Andrew Johnson

    Ah yes, Clinton, LBJ and Jimmah Carter weren’t from the “old south”. Why? Because they were good liberals is the explanation being offered here on this thread.

    Good to see such clear thinking here.

  45. 45.

    Darrell

    Answer the fucking question, Darrell.

    You won’t post here again without the question being in your face, until you answer it.

    I know very well that the mentally ill never give up their obsessions. You’re making that point abudantly clear. Again.

  46. 46.

    ThymeZone

    know very well that the mentally ill never give up their obsessions. You’re making that point abudantly clear. Again.

    Answer the question, motherfucker.

  47. 47.

    dreggas

    QOTD via Political Animal:

    General Tony McPeak (ret.):

    “America has been conducting an experiment for the past six years, trying to validate the proposition that it really doesn’t make any difference who you elect president. Now we know the result of that experiment. If a guy is stupid, it makes a big difference.”

  48. 48.

    Oregonian

    Ah yes, nothing like a good old fashioned sweeping, totally unsupported assertion like that to make your “point”.

    The details are, I believe, readily available from every major newspaper and newscast in the country at this point. In case you’ve been living under a rock for the past two weeks, here’s the full archive that will bring you up to speed:

    http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/cats/us_attorneys/

  49. 49.

    Darrell

    The details are, I believe, readily available from every major newspaper and newscast in the country

    Then cite a couple.. because all you’ve offered so far is innuendo from TPM, which is not a “major newspaper” or news organization

  50. 50.

    Mike

    TZ, Darrell doesn’t have a position. He is simply a contrarian. John and Tim don’t want to ban him. Just ignore him. Since he doesn’t believe in evolution, he and his kind won’t last.

  51. 51.

    dreggas

    Start a flame war thread and like moths the Darrell’s of the world are drawn to the flame…

    kind of like a T-shirt I once saw “Instant asshole just add alcohol”.

  52. 52.

    Darrell

    dreggas Says:

    QOTD via Political Animal:

    General Tony McPeak (ret.):

    “America has been conducting an experiment for the past six years, trying to validate the proposition that it really doesn’t make any difference who you elect president. Now we know the result of that experiment. If a guy is stupid, it makes a big difference.”

    McPeak is a crackpot. And because he’s a crackpot with BDS, the media always goes to him, rather than other 90% of retired generals who feel differently.

  53. 53.

    dreggas

    Darrell…do me a favor…read the following out loud to yourself a few times, maybe it will sink in:

    I am sofa king we tod did.

  54. 54.

    Rome Again

    McPeak is a crackpot. And because he’s a crackpot with BDS, the media always goes to him, rather than other 90% of retired generals who feel differently.

    Darrell, we’ve had this discussion previously. If you cannot cite where BDS is listed in the DSM-IV, you cannot use it.

  56. 56.

    dreggas

    Rome Again Says:

    I remember that from like fourth grade.

    making its use all the more relevant when dealing with a fourth grader…

  57. 57.

    ThymeZone

    Then cite a couple.. because all you’ve offered

    Who the fuck are you to tell anyone to cite something or to criticize what someone has “offered,” you fucking troll?

    What the fuck are you doing here? Do you have an opinion on any topic on this blog? Then why don’t you state it?

    Otherwise, get the fuck out of here.

  58. 58.

    ThymeZone

    TZ, Darrell doesn’t have a position. He is simply a contrarian.

    What was your first clue, Mike? We were saying that here two years ago.

  59. 59.

    jg

    dreggas Says:

    Rome Again Says:

    I remember that from like fourth grade.

    making its use all the more relevant when dealing with a fourth grader…

    I didn’t know home schooling followed the grade system.

  61. 61.

    Darrell

    Who the fuck are you to tell anyone to cite something or to criticize what someone has “offered,” you fucking troll?

    What the fuck are you doing here? Do you have an opinion on any topic on this blog? Then why don’t you state it?

    Otherwise, get the fuck out of here.

    My opinion is that your mental illness can be probably be treated if you would only make the effort.

  62. 62.

    Rome Again

    I didn’t know home schooling followed the grade system.

    sorry to disappoint you jg, my millionaire parents were too busy wining and dining half of DC to homeschool me.

  63. 63.

    dreggas

    I didn’t know home schooling followed the grade system.

    I’m not sure it does but I am making an educated guess here.

  64. 64.

    Krista

    Jesus H. Christ, can’t you show a bit of fucking civility and stop shitting rude words all over the goddamned fucking internet? Are you some kind of pigfucking shitstained liberal, for fuck’s sake?

    Dude. You’re fucking up our reputation for being absurdly polite. Quit it.

  65. 65.

    Rome Again

    My opinion is that your mental illness can be probably be treated if you would only make the effort.

    My opinion is that they’d much sooner lock you up.

  66. 66.

    ThymeZone

    My opinion

    What opinion do you have that is relevant to either of the last two thread you are posting to?

    Do you actually have an opinion, are you representing a point of view? Or are you just here to harass people?

    Answer the question you worthless boil on the ass of humanity.

  67. 67.

    Zifnab25

    rather than other 90% of retired generals who feel differently.

    Ok. So they got a bunch of Generals to vote against John Kerry in the ’04 election. Aside from the fact that the blog post itself is over 2 years old, what’s your point, Darrell? The McPeak was posted March 7th.

    Yesh. Perhaps you should stick to the Great Global Warming Swindle YouTube Video. Oh wait… that got debunked too. *sigh* Being a wingnut is so hard these days.

  68. 68.

    dreggas

    My opinion is that your mental illness can be probably be treated if you would only make the effort.

    I’d say yours was too but unfortunately a lobatomy coupled with being dropped on your head repeatedly as a small child has probably removed any chance for real success.

  69. 69.

    Ted

    Do you leftist freaks think that flaunting your mental illness is a good thing? Or is it a cry for help?

    Gaaaghh!! Shriek! Shrieeek!!

  70. 70.

    Ted

    My opinion is that your mental illness can be probably be treated if you would only make the effort.

    Hey, Darrell. What is your “opinion” on gays in the military?

  71. 71.

    dreggas

    Ted Says:

    Hey, Darrell. What is your “opinion” on gays in the military?

    Opinion or position because I’ll bet missionary when it comes to position…

  72. 72.

    Darrell

    I’d say yours was too but unfortunately a lobatomy coupled with being dropped on your head repeatedly as a small child has probably removed any chance for real success.

    I gotta hand it to you dreggas, that was an extraordinarily clever and quick-witted retort. Zing! Ouch!
    I better go put some ice on that spanking you just gave me.

    And please go easy on me next time with your heavy intellectual firepower, as I have a very delicate and fragile sense of self worth.

  73. 73.

    jg

    Rome Again Says:

    I didn’t know home schooling followed the grade system.

    sorry to disappoint you jg, my millionaire parents were too busy wining and dining half of DC to homeschool me.

    Chalk it up to bad block-quoting or just bad writing but I was talking about Darrell, not you Rome. My post was a response to dreggas saying fourth grade taunts are exactly at Darrells level. I can see where that gets confusing and you would think I was taking a shot at you but I wasn’t. Sorry ’bout that.

  74. 74.

    Darrell

    Ted Says:

    My opinion is that your mental illness can be probably be treated if you would only make the effort.

    Hey, Darrell. What is your “opinion” on gays in the military?

    Oh Ted, I’m so glad you’ve arrived! You always add so much depth to the conversation. Please do stay around.

  75. 75.

    demimondian

    You’re [expletive deleted] up our reputation for being absurdly polite. Quit it.

    Fixed.

    Hey, if US politics is throwing back to the Nixon era, then I figure that everything else Nixon will be new again, too.

  76. 76.

    Ted

    Oh Ted, I’m so glad you’ve arrived! You always add so much depth to the conversation. Please do stay around.

    Ah yes, the most despised person to comment on this blog talking about the “depth” of conversation. Does the depth in yours come before or after you call someone a ‘shithead’ or any of the other hundreds of names you like to call?

    And you didn’t answer my question. What is your opinion on gays in the military? I’d actually like to know.

  77. 77.

    dreggas

    And please go easy on me next time with your heavy intellectual firepower, as I have a very delicate and fragile sense of self worth.

    I already knew that, tell me something I didn’t know?

  78. 78.

    Zifnab25

    So, yes. Am I the only one who thinks Blue Dog Democrats should just up and make their own god-damn party? I have yet to pick up a paper and read about new Congressional legislation that hasn’t been watered down, obstructed, mismanaged, or subverted by these fuckers.

    Seriously. It would be nice if we didn’t have to beat these smucks in a primary to get rid of them.

  79. 79.

    Pb

    Didn’t we have a special prosecutor for Plamegate?

    Different statute.

    What other scandals do you feel should have warranted a special prosecutor?

    I could list a few big ones–but under the standard set by the Republican party during the Clinton years, there already should have been hundreds, easily.

    Ah yes, nothing like a good old fashioned sweeping, totally unsupported assertion

    …that you couldn’t even begin to refute, natch.

  80. 80.

    jg

    And you didn’t answer my question. What is your opinion on gays in the military? I’d actually like to know.

    Are we far enough into this lost cause of a jackalope search we call a thread that darrell can now assert that his opinion has been stated plainly elsewhere in the thread?

  81. 81.

    Pb

    Am I the only one who thinks Blue Dog Democrats should just up and make their own god-damn party?

    Yes. Or, long version, I might consider splitting the Democratic party after the Republican party has splintered and collapsed, but certainly not before.

  82. 82.

    Zifnab25

    Oh, also, the US wants to overthrow Pakistan’s President.

    The US has indicated for the first time that it might be willing to back plans by elite echelons of the military in Islamabad to oust Pervez Musharraf from power, as the Pakistani President was beset by major new difficulties over his attempts to sack the country’s chief justice.[..]

    US officials told The New York Times the plan would see the Vice-Chief of the Army, Ahsan Saleem Hyat, take over from General Musharraf as head of the military and former banker Mohammedmian Soomro installed as president, with General Hyat wielding most of the power.[..]

    The US report suggests a growing disenchantment towards General Musharraf in Washington and indicates that the longstanding view that the alternative to his regime would be chaos and a takeover by extremist Islamic mullahs is no longer ascendant.

    The US officials say hardline Islamists have usually not done well in elections in Pakistan and that if General Musharraf were removed, a doomsday scenario would not necessarily follow.

    ~hat tip C&L

    Oh, thank god. I was worried we were going to try something incredibly risky and stupid with our foreign policy.

  83. 83.

    James F. Elliott

    If you cannot cite where BDS is listed in the DSM-IV, you cannot use it.

    I have a copy of the DSM-IV-TR right here at my desk. What does BDS stand for? Is it Bipolar DiSorder? Or maybe Body Dymorphic diSorder? Borderline personality DiSorder? No, it can only be…

    Breathing-relateD Sleep disorder! The general has insomnia due to “abnormalities of ventilation during sleep”? He’s really, really tired?

    Shit… I’m out, man. That exhausts all the “B”s with the “D” and the “S” in that order.

  85. 85.

    demimondian

    Darrell…

    as a rule, sarcasm only works if you possess sufficient wit to carry it off for several rounds. If you don’t have that, you probably ought to find a different rhetorical attack.

    But, hey, good for you for trying something different.

  86. 86.

    Ted

    BDS stands for Bush Devotion Syndrome. It presently occurs in about 30% of the general population. You’ll probably see it in the DSM-V.

  87. 87.

    Rome Again

    Chalk it up to bad block-quoting or just bad writing but I was talking about Darrell, not you Rome. My post was a response to dreggas saying fourth grade taunts are exactly at Darrells level. I can see where that gets confusing and you would think I was taking a shot at you but I wasn’t. Sorry ‘bout that.

    No problem, besides my parents weren’t fundies or anything, but they did send me and my siblings to masonic organizations every week. Gotta love those Masons/Shriners/York-Scottsh Rite-ists. They shake hands and make money hand over fist and send their children to weird ritualistic ceremonies and meetings to show how committed they are to the cause!, That’s what the game is all about.

  88. 88.

    Pb

    BDS stands for Bush Devotion Syndrome. It presently occurs in about 30% of the general population.

    Sounds like a specialization of RWA to me…

  89. 89.

    Rome Again

    BDS stands for Bush Devotion Syndrome. It presently occurs in about 30% of the general population. You’ll probably see it in the DSM-V.

    Darrell defines it differently.

  90. 90.

    Pb

    my parents weren’t fundies or anything, but they did send me and my siblings to masonic organizations every week. Gotta love those Masons

    Weirdo Masons were to be next against the wall when the revolution came…

  91. 91.

    Ted

    Darrell defines it differently.

    Darrell defines all of reality differently.

    It’s a shame Gary Ruppert only stops by occasionally. He’s far more of a fun right-wing nutcase (just check out his work at Sadly,No!).

  92. 92.

    Tsulagi

    How long before Gonzalez is fired decides to spend more time with his family?

    Unless the Decidingtard has more fingerprints on this yet to be found, won’t happen. If he does, then Gonzo becomes the bad apple. But on his way out stopping first to collect his Medal of Freedom.

    And is this the most hopelessly corrupt fucking administration, ever?

    Still carrying some water for these guys, huh? In addition to corrupt, the most gutless, lying, fucking retarded, and all-around less than worthless admin ever.

    The moderates left, the decent religious folks had enough after Foley, and all you are left with are the Bush dead-enders, Dan Riehl, and Dobson.

    Ain’t that the truth. I work with a bunch of right-of-center guys who voted for Bush. A fair number now say they’re independent. Others, still holding onto their R card, seem to think a timeout on the next presidency could be good for their party. Virtually all think it will be a good day when this admin ends. The only cheerleaders left are the Darrells in their Jack Bauer costumes.

  93. 93.

    Rome Again

    Weirdo Masons were to be next against the wall when the revolution came…

    It would only affect my distant cousins across the ocean. My German ancestors came here in the mid-late 1700’s.

  94. 94.

    RSA

    The only cheerleaders left are the Darrells in their Jack Bauer costumes.

    Have gun [in nightstand drawer], will [not] travel [to Iraq].

  95. 95.

    Jimmy Mack

    From what I’ve read, they’re all amateurs compared to LBJ.

    Bingo. Even Clinton wasn’t as bad.

    Rush was saying there’s a good back story on Clinton’s firings of the AG…the Maryland AG who tried to indict him for Socksgate was summarily dismissed. I don’t have a link…has anyone else heard anything about this?

  97. 97.

    Rome Again

    Rush was saying there’s a good back story on Clinton’s firings of the AG…the Maryland AG who tried to indict him for Socksgate was summarily dismissed. I don’t have a link…has anyone else heard anything about this?

    Well, since it came from Rush, perhaps you should ask HIM for a link.

  98. 98.

    The Other Steve

    Rush was saying there’s a good back story on Clinton’s firings of the AG…the Maryland AG who tried to indict him for Socksgate was summarily dismissed. I don’t have a link…has anyone else heard anything about this?

    There was a scandal about Socks the cat? What’d he do? Have the cat spayed?

    Do these Republicans ever have anything they’re not whining about?

  99. 99.

    The Other Steve

    The US has indicated for the first time that it might be willing to back plans by elite echelons of the military in Islamabad to oust Pervez Musharraf from power, as the Pakistani President was beset by major new difficulties over his attempts to sack the country’s chief justice.[..]

    Yes, because if you’ve got a unDemocratic President trying to sack the chief justice, the best way to return to Law and Order is a Military Coup!

  100. 100.

    The Other Steve

    Then cite a couple.. because all you’ve offered so far is innuendo from TPM, which is not a “major newspaper” or news organization

    So what’s your record on being right again?

    0 for 2,000 I believe.

  101. 101.

    Bruce Moomaw

    Er, Darrell. By “Old South”, of course, I mean the Old racist-religious bigot-know-nothing-non-democratic-with-a-small-“d” South, whose members — after the Democrats finally decided to come out for equal rights for blacks — promptly bolted in toto to the GOP. The Old South, of course, has since become more vegetarian than it was in its Goldwater-Nixon-Wallace-Thurmond heyday, by which I mean it’s ditched a lot (but not all) of its racist bigotry, while retaining all of its past religious bigotry, hatred of intellectualism, and hatred of genuine democracy. Thus Bush.

  102. 102.

    Dug Jay

    I read on another blog – I think it’s the one belonging to John Cole’s good buddy, Mr. Riehl – that Mr. Cole claims to have fathered Anna Nicole Smith’s baby while he was shaving Brittney Spears’ head. Who knows…could be?

  103. 103.

    SheRa

    1. Gonzales will never be fired, but he should be. The Bush administration is absolutely and by far the most corrupt administration this country has ever seen.

    2. The Republican party is divided between idiots and wistful people who remembered when there was something they could believe in about a Republican philosophy.

  104. 104.

    Krista

    the Maryland AG who tried to indict him for Socksgate was summarily dismissed.

    You’ve got to be kidding me. There was an attempt to create scandal around the guy’s cat? At least, as far as we know, he didn’t drop the poor thing in front of a bunch of horrified children.

    Poor, poor Barney…I wonder if dogs know when their owners are asshats.

  105. 105.

    The Disenfranchised Voter

    Alright if this is still on going i think ill jump in here.

    Was the Pelosi’s presser as bad as the clips from it made it out to be?

    It seemed as if they thought of the plan right on the spot by the way they were confused.

  106. 106.

    Bruce Moomaw

    Incidentally, since Tilex works on house centipedes, is there any possibility it would work on Darrell?

  107. 107.

    Darrell

    Bruce Moomaw Says:

    Er, Darrell. By “Old South”, of course, I mean the Old racist-religious bigot-know-nothing-non-democratic-with-a-small-”d” South, whose members—after the Democrats finally decided to come out for equal rights for blacks—promptly bolted in toto to the GOP.

    Ah yes, more ignorant racebaiting..

    Repubs did what they could from the end of Reconstruction to the 1964 Act. But it wasn’t until Dems belatedly after 100 years took the gamble and risked its winning coaltion that anything was ever done.

    So please, cut the crap about how Dems were the “real” champions of civil rights, it was more like “why did it take you so long? where have you aholes been?”.

    Regarding all the racist Dems “bolting” to the GOP, it wasn’t until 1994, 30 years afterward, that the GOP ever had a majority of governorships and state legislatures in the south. Why? Because Repubs were considered “nigra lovers” and carpetbaggers you see. So sorry if reality conflicts with your narrow ignorant views.

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    But keep on fostering your ignorant as hell views Moomaw.. Halfwits like you are too easy to shred to pieces.

  108. 108.

    Ted

    Halfwits like you are too easy to shred to pieces.

    Hey, look! Darrell is shrieking again.

    He still won’t answer my question, though.

  109. 109.

    jg

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    In ’64?

  110. 110.

    Andrew

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    It was BDS!

  111. 111.

    Darrell

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    In ‘64?

    60’s and 70’s in Boston experienced a highly disproportionate amount of race riots compared to other parts of the country

  113. 113.

    Oregonian

    From tomorrow’s lead editorial in the New York Times:

    Politics, Pure and Cynical

    We wish we’d been surprised to learn that the White House was deeply involved in the politically motivated firing of eight United States attorneys, but the news had the unmistakable whiff of inevitability. This disaster is just part of the Bush administration’s sordid history of waving the bloody bullhorn of 9/11 for the basest of motives: the perpetuation of power for power’s sake.

    Time and again, President Bush and his team have assured Americans that they needed new powers to prevent another attack by an implacable enemy. Time and again, Americans have discovered that these powers were not being used to make them safer, but in the service of Vice President Dick Cheney’s vision of a presidency so powerful that Congress and the courts are irrelevant, or Karl Rove’s fantasy of a permanent Republican majority.

    In firing the prosecutors and replacing them without Senate approval, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales took advantage of a little-noticed provision that the administration and its Republican enablers in Congress had slipped into the 2006 expansion of the Patriot Act. The ostensible purpose was to allow the swift interim replacement of a United States attorney who was, for instance, killed by terrorism.

    But these firings had nothing to do with national security — or officials’ claims that the attorneys were fired for poor performance. This looks like a political purge, pure and simple, and President Bush and his White House are in the thick of it.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/opinion/14wed1.html

  114. 114.

    jg

    Darrell Says:

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    In ‘64?

    60’s and 70’s in Boston experienced a highly disproportionate amount of race riots compared to other parts of the country

    I know all about what happened in the 70’s. I just want to learn more about these civil rights riots in Boston in the 60’s.

  115. 115.

    jg

    Darrell Says:

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    In ‘64?

    60’s and 70’s in Boston experienced a highly disproportionate amount of race riots compared to other parts of the country

    I know all about what happened in the 70’s. I just want to learn more about these civil rights riots in Boston in the 60’s.

  116. 116.

    jg

    Darrell Says:

    Oh, and did I mention that the most violent race riots were in the Northeast liberal Dem concentrated areas? Boston anyone?

    In ‘64?

    60’s and 70’s in Boston experienced a highly disproportionate amount of race riots compared to other parts of the country

    I know all about what happened in the 70’s. I just want to learn more about these civil rights riots in Boston in the 60’s.

  118. 118.

    canuckistani

    Dude. You’re fucking up our reputation for being absurdly polite. Quit it.

    I still say “Thank You” to bank machines, so I keep may Canadian credentials.

  119. 119.

    canuckistani

    Dude. You’re fucking up our reputation for being absurdly polite. Quit it.

    I still say “Thank You” to bank machines, so I keep my Canadian credentials.

  120. 120.

    srv

    McPeak is a crackpot. And because he’s a crackpot with BDS, the media always goes to him, rather than other 90% of retired generals who feel differently.

    Heh, poll them now buddy. They’re mostly retired cold-war Admirals, not generals. And since you’ve clearly demonstrated before that Admirals shouldn’t be talking about ground wars (all those Admirals – not to mention MacArthur and Eisenhower – against the nuking Japan were TDS crackpots) I’m not sure why you think they should be taken as authorities now.

  121. 121.

    Bruce Moomaw

    Darrell, you can’t be as stupid as you pretend to be. This is some sort of psychological experiment for your college term paper, isn’t it?

    But on the off-chance that it isn’t, and that you actually are the hysterical moron you appear to be on the surface:

    (1) The GOP, as any historian will tell you, officially ceased being the party of civil rights in 1876, the year they deliberately sold out the civil rights of Southern blacks as part of a deal to put Rutherford B. Hayes in the White House.

    (2) From then until 1964 they had absolutely no interest in civil rights one way or the other (which of course is why American blacks switched overwhelmingly to the Democrats — who at least represented their economic interests better — when the Depression started).

    (3) In 1964, as soon as the Democrats finally dropped their own shilly-shallying and came down on the side of black civil rights, the GOP immediately responded by flat-out flipping to become the party of Jefferson Davis, which, of course (as Strom Thurmond said at the time) is why he switched to the GOP that September. In Goldwater’s immortal words, “The GOP ought go hunting where the ducks are”, ” the ducks” in this case being the racist Southern vote. (Nixon was a bit less explicit about it in public, but quite explicit about the real mechanism behind the GOP’s new “Southern strategy” on his tapes.)

    (4) The GOP immediately started winning national presidential majorities for this reason, but it took them decades longer to take over Congress in the South because (A) the local Democrats could continue to act a lot more conservative than their national party (the same reason why liberal Republicans held on so long in the Northeast before similarly dying out); and (B) they had a hell of a lot of seniority which their home-state voters knew very well brought home the bacon in spades. It wasn’t until 1994 that the South’s continuing enthusiasm for the New Bigoted GOP, and the gradual retirement of all those pork-useful senior Congressional Southern Democrats, finally tipped the Congressional South overwhelmingly to the GOP. (By the way, don’t take my word for it, or the word of all historians, who routinely talk about all this. Read “The Souther Captivity of the GOP” by Craig Caldwell, who used to write for the American Spectator. There aren’t TOO many big words in it.)

  122. 122.

    Richard 23

    I better go put some ice on that spanking you just gave me.

    That classic line just never gets old. Hahaha!

  123. 123.

    Richard 23

    I better go put some ice on that spanking you just gave me.

    That classic line just never gets old. Hahaha!
    It’s like your “Freebird.” Do it again!

  125. 125.

    gus

    I come here and have fun reading the threads until that douchebag Darrell shows. Christ, is he ignorant. But the real question is why do y’all engage him? If he’s ignored, won’t he stamp his little feet in rage and leave?

  126. 126.

    Scruffy McSnufflepuss

    I come here and have fun reading the threads until that douchebag Darrell shows. Christ, is he ignorant. But the real question is why do y’all engage him? If he’s ignored, won’t he stamp his little feet in rage and leave?

    Coordinating a response is like herding cats. Besides, he’s a class project for Professor Cole’s students. If Darrell disappears, they lose their extra credit assignment.

  127. 127.

    skip

    Darrell thinks gays in the military are fine—even praiseworthy— so long as they are bulldozing olive groves in the West Bank.

  128. 128.

    Tim F.

    Rush was saying there’s a good back story on Clinton’s firings of the AG…the Maryland AG who tried to indict him for Socksgate was summarily dismissed. I don’t have a link…has anyone else heard anything about this?

    Talk about the blonde leading the blind. Quick tip, JM. If you can’t source it yourself and the only support you have is Rush Limbaugh then you don’t actually know anything.

  129. 129.

    jg

    But Rush is a trusted source asserting what makes me warm and fuzzy. Since only liberals hate what he says it must be true.

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