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by Tim F|  May 2, 20072:42 pm| 80 Comments

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Lots of stuff happening out there.

Here, you read about sex and boats. That’s what makes us great.

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  1. 1.

    Tax Analyst

    May 2, 2007 at 2:56 pm

    Hey, I thought was gonna be…oh…you said “Sex AND boats”…Shit, I thought you said “Sex ON boats”…Well, speaking of Sex and boats, what did Popeye do when the Pope went to Mount Olive? He socked him in his friggin’ face. (OK, so there’s not really any boat involved there, so sue me)

  2. 2.

    Tax Analyst

    May 2, 2007 at 3:04 pm

    href=”http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18366778/site/newsweek/”

    First time I’ve tried to post a link here. Theme song: “The First Cut is the Deepest”, you may use any version, original Cat Stevens, Rod Stewart, or Sheryl Crow (my favorite).

    hmmm…not sure if that link will work, guess I will find out.

  3. 3.

    Pb

    May 2, 2007 at 3:05 pm

    Obama campaign trips over the internets…

  4. 4.

    jenniebee

    May 2, 2007 at 3:47 pm

    Sex, Boats and WSJ editorials arguing that the President is Superman (and not the good kind of Superman.)

    The comic book hero entertainment season is opening early this year…

  5. 5.

    Paul L.

    May 2, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    This is amusing link about labeling/stereotyping feminists.
    Fun with Feminist Flickr (Guerrilla Girls edition)
    Of course, any male who disagrees with the feminists are labeled/stereotyped as a misogynist.

  6. 6.

    Tax Analyst

    May 2, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    Pb Says:

    Obama campaign trips over the internets…

    I took a look and read the article. I don’t see a lot of damage from that. The fellow wasn’t going to be able to handle the traffic anymore, and frankly, I know if I’m going to pay somebody to run a site I want to have control. The fellow is entitled to feel hurt – he obviously put a lot of time and effort into it, but that’s about it.

  7. 7.

    BIRDZILLA

    May 2, 2007 at 4:02 pm

    Hey GILLIGAN and GINGER are making out on the SS MINNOW

  8. 8.

    Tax Analyst

    May 2, 2007 at 4:07 pm

    BIRDZILLA Says:

    Hey GILLIGAN and GINGER are making out on the SS MINNOW

    That’s better…I really was craving some “Sex on Boats” talk.

    Well, gotta go

    Thanks…

  9. 9.

    CDB

    May 2, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/05/02/pet.food.poultry/

    Millions have eaten chickens fed tainted pet food

    Are you one of the lucky millions?

  10. 10.

    Punchy

    May 2, 2007 at 4:10 pm

    Here, you read about sex and boats

    We’re all Minnesota Vikings for a day…

  11. 11.

    The Other Steve

    May 2, 2007 at 4:37 pm

    Obama campaign trips over the internets…

    More like internets prove themselves to be whiney ass titty babies, when people don’t properly bow before them.

    Sheesh, the guy was demanding extortion money.

  12. 12.

    Dave

    May 2, 2007 at 4:43 pm

    Hysterical

  13. 13.

    Zifnab

    May 2, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Sheesh, the guy was demanding extortion money.

    The guy designed a site and built a friends list of 150k people. Then he asked to get paid for his work when Obama wanted rights to the URL name.

    That’s like calling the guy who pranked John McCain’s website a bratty little punk because he wouldn’t let McCain hijack his MySpace format and let McCain waste his bandwidth without knuckling back.

    I don’t know whether the guys running these internet campaigns don’t have the net saviness, or the common courtesy, or anything resembling a budget or what. But I have never seen internet rudeness that tops a Presidential Candidate’s internet rudeness. It’s epic hubris and its always nice to watch them get bit back in the ass.

  14. 14.

    ThymeZone

    May 2, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    George Bush declares himself “The Decider Guy.”

    Look, people, at what point do we decide that enough is enough, march and Washington and run this crazy fucker out of the White House?

    Seriously, when is enough of this enough?

  15. 15.

    ThymeZone

    May 2, 2007 at 5:05 pm

    Sorry, I meant “The commander Guy.”

    Not that it matters exactly what he said, the sumbitch is a crazy ignorant fuck who shouldn’t be in charge of a lemonade stand.

  16. 16.

    qwerty42

    May 2, 2007 at 5:30 pm

    sex? boats? and geeze, how did the decider get involved? I think i need some more Hola Fruita (i’m partial to the lime, but the other flavors look good too … kinda pricey tho)

  17. 17.

    Bubblegum Tate

    May 2, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    “The Commander Guy.”

    I’m guessing he coined this nickname at this press conference.

  18. 18.

    Dreggas

    May 2, 2007 at 5:43 pm

    ThymeZone Says:

    George Bush declares himself “The Decider Guy.”

    Look, people, at what point do we decide that enough is enough, march and Washington and run this crazy fucker out of the White House?

    Seriously, when is enough of this enough?

    quite frankly the pitchforks should have been pulled out, the tar warmed up, and a shit load of chicken feathers plucked the day they basically repealled habeus, if not sooner. Sadly most people are too damn lazy to do anything about it, or too damn chicken shit and think that waving a banner is enough to deal with the likes of shrub.

  19. 19.

    Dave

    May 2, 2007 at 5:44 pm

    Look, people, at what point do we decide that enough is enough, march and Washington and run this crazy fucker out of the White House?

    Seriously, when is enough of this enough?

    Well they want a coup

    When I see the worsening degeneracy in our politicians, our media, our educators, and our intelligentsia, I can’t help wondering if the day may yet come when the only thing that can save this country is a military coup.

    We don’t want Bush anymore, whatdya say we divide the country up. Wing-Nuts on ones side, people living in the real world on the other. They can take their fiasco and king do whatever it is they have to do and we can work on restoring sanity to the rest of the US and the world.

  20. 20.

    Dreggas

    May 2, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Dave Says:

    We don’t want Bush anymore, whatdya say we divide the country up. Wing-Nuts on ones side, people living in the real world on the other. They can take their fiasco and king do whatever it is they have to do and we can work on restoring sanity to the rest of the US and the world.

    We simply put them all in Florida and the midwest and other low lying states, that way when global warming truly kicks in thanks to their “Dear Leader” they can all drown for it. Hell the 9th ward of New Orleans would probably be rebuilt anyway.

  21. 21.

    Zifnab

    May 2, 2007 at 5:52 pm

    quite frankly the pitchforks should have been pulled out, the tar warmed up, and a shit load of chicken feathers plucked the day they basically repealled habeus, if not sooner. Sadly most people are too damn lazy to do anything about it, or too damn chicken shit and think that waving a banner is enough to deal with the likes of shrub.

    Hardly. They repelled Habeaus Corpus for 400 people in an island prison who’ve never seen US soil. If blackmasked stormtroppers were raiding through the Houston area, you’d be right to call the general population chickenshit for sitting on its hands. But this isn’t 1938 in Germany. No one is getting rounded up and loaded onto cattle cars in my neighborhood. I don’t know anyone who’s taken shit from the No-Fly list. My biggest complaint is neatly mailed in with my tax return. That’s really all I’ve suffered – directly – from Bush’s Rule By Incompetence.

    They’ve done a very good job of bullying and harassing a very select portion of the population. The Mexicans are marching because they get to deal with the INS on an all too frequent basis. But the FBI and the CIA and the State Department aren’t pissing on my briches and I do have a day job.

    I’m sorry if you don’t think the quarterly street protest isn’t enough, but things just aren’t bad enough for that yet. Running through the streets of Washington with a loaded weapon won’t make America a better place. Volunteering to block-walk for your favorite local candidate will. Guess what activity is more popular in America today?

  22. 22.

    Dreggas

    May 2, 2007 at 6:02 pm

    Zifnab Says:

    Hardly. They repelled Habeaus Corpus for 400 people in an island prison who’ve never seen US soil. If blackmasked stormtroppers were raiding through the Houston area, you’d be right to call the general population chickenshit for sitting on its hands. But this isn’t 1938 in Germany. No one is getting rounded up and loaded onto cattle cars in my neighborhood. I don’t know anyone who’s taken shit from the No-Fly list. My biggest complaint is neatly mailed in with my tax return. That’s really all I’ve suffered – directly – from Bush’s Rule By Incompetence.

    They’ve done a very good job of bullying and harassing a very select portion of the population. The Mexicans are marching because they get to deal with the INS on an all too frequent basis. But the FBI and the CIA and the State Department aren’t pissing on my briches and I do have a day job.

    I’m sorry if you don’t think the quarterly street protest isn’t enough, but things just aren’t bad enough for that yet. Running through the streets of Washington with a loaded weapon won’t make America a better place. Volunteering to block-walk for your favorite local candidate will. Guess what activity is more popular in America today?

    They repealed habeus for anyone deemed, at the discretion of the president, to be an enemy combatant, not just for 400 people in some island prison.

    Further considering protests haven’t done jack shit to make this administration change it’s mind and it has become more evident day by day that this administration will just flip off congress what do we do hmmm? Campaign for someone for ’08? Just let it slide for another year and how many ever months?

    Don’t get me wrong, I write letters and all that fun happy stuff but the reality is this pissant little shit won’t listen no matter what is done. Honestly I think this nation forgot just how it was created and forgot what it meant to really stand up and fight back. They’d rather just go about their daily lives and occasionally march down a street waving a sign. Lot of good that’s done.

    Sorry for being so cynical here but given that we have had protests that have changed nothing and, so far, an election that has resulted in oversight that should only make us madder it just feels like people don’t want to do a damn thing save for token gestures.

  23. 23.

    tBone

    May 2, 2007 at 6:03 pm

    Hey GILLIGAN and GINGER are making out on the SS MINNOW

    Strangely enough, this is probably the most coherent (not to mention on-topic) thing Birdzilla has ever posted.

  24. 24.

    Dreggas

    May 2, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    Hardly. They repelled Habeaus Corpus for 400 people in an island prison who’ve never seen US soil. If blackmasked stormtroppers were raiding through the Houston area, you’d be right to call the general population chickenshit for sitting on its hands. But this isn’t 1938 in Germany. No one is getting rounded up and loaded onto cattle cars in my neighborhood. I don’t know anyone who’s taken shit from the No-Fly list. My biggest complaint is neatly mailed in with my tax return. That’s really all I’ve suffered – directly – from Bush’s Rule By Incompetence.

    The german comparisson seems a bit off as well, the germans didn’t do much to stop hitler’s rise either. Would you have to be an eye witness to someone getting harrassed over the “No Fly List” for it to matter? Not trying to pick a fight here either Zif, I agree with you most of the time but just find the current state of America to be, well, pretty damn passive and self-centered when it comes to the state of their nation. Sure they go out and protest but that’s it, nothing changes and they don’t make a damn difference. Further it’s not every damn American it’s only a few hundred thousand out of over a quarter billion. Really, when it boils down to it, it’s the rest who aren’t doing a damn thing that bug me.

  25. 25.

    Krista

    May 2, 2007 at 7:38 pm

    This is amusing link about labeling/stereotyping feminists.
    Fun with Feminist Flickr (Guerrilla Girls edition)
    Of course, any male who disagrees with the feminists are labeled/stereotyped as a misogynist.

    See, the danger about all of those female stereotypes though, is that some men don’t realize that women can embody several different things at once, and those qualities change depending on the circumstances. Every woman has a little bitch, girl next door, ballbuster, ho, pinup girl, earth mother and ice princess in her. That’s why stereotyping any human being is silly and pointless — the stereotype, even if it contains a grain of truth, still only embodies one small percentage of the entire person.

    quite frankly the pitchforks should have been pulled out, the tar warmed up, and a shit load of chicken feathers plucked the day they basically repealled habeus, if not sooner.

    But enough about your sex life, Dreggas! (I kid, I kid…) Seriously though, it’s pretty pathetic that the neocons and their syncophants have controlled the terms of the debate for such a long time that just disagreeing with the administration prompts shrieks of “Treason!” Sadly, I think people haven’t bothered with the pitchforks, tar and feathers, because they a) don’t think it will work, and b) know that disturbingly, the odds of them disappearing into some secret prison are not that slim.

  26. 26.

    The Other Steve

    May 2, 2007 at 8:29 pm

    The guy designed a site and built a friends list of 150k people. Then he asked to get paid for his work when Obama wanted rights to the URL name.

    No he didn’t. He stole the name Barack Obama, cybersquatted it on myspace, then demanding the campaign pay him extortion money to get it back.

    The 150k people… they were the ones who added themselves as friends. Not because of this loser, but because of the name Obama.

    It’s the most discusting whining experience I’ve ever seen, and all the bloggers are piling it on because just like the fucked up MSM, they actually think they are more important than the people who make it happen. It’s so funny, how these asshats will argue with their cluetrain manifestos and other nonsense about the importance of the Web is the people who come to your site, which is why you need to make it interactive.

    And then they claim that it was only because of their brilliance in registering the site name that any of this happened.

    You volunteer for a campaign because you care, not because you hope to cash out.

  27. 27.

    The Other Steve

    May 2, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    See, the danger about all of those female stereotypes though, is that some men don’t realize that women can embody several different things at once, and those qualities change depending on the circumstances. Every woman has a little bitch, girl next door, ballbuster, ho, pinup girl, earth mother and ice princess in her. That’s why stereotyping any human being is silly and pointless—the stereotype, even if it contains a grain of truth, still only embodies one small percentage of the entire person.

    A friend of mine once told me that women like this and that, and this other thing…

    I noted he’d just described his wife, and not all women are like his wife.

  28. 28.

    Rome Again

    May 2, 2007 at 9:05 pm

    You volunteer for a campaign because you care, not because you hope to cash out.

    Don’t forget, opportunistic capitalism is a mainstay of Republicanism.

  29. 29.

    The Disenfranchised Voter

    May 2, 2007 at 9:10 pm

    But what about sex with boats?

    Now that’s what I wanna talk about!

  30. 30.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    May 2, 2007 at 9:31 pm

    Sex in boats, thats where it is at! As long as it involves my wife and I… :)

    Ok, I would make a lousy politician. I love my wife…

    Yeah, I caught on that the guy was a squatter real fast. I think MySpace was right to give Barack his name back. Screw opportunists that try to cash in on famous names.

    On another note, I am glad to hear that Imus has hired an attorney (of Lenny Bruce fame) who is now looking into suing CBS for the balance of his contract ($40 Mil). I hope he does, and I hope he can do so to NBC/MSNBC. Sue them blue…

    Seems his contract has a one dog bite clause, and it states that he must have one warning before they could terminate the contract. Since it was a new contract, his past problems can not be used to justify his firing. New contract, clean slate, so to say. It even states that he was hired to be outrageous and push the limit, thus the get out of jail free card. I think Lobster Newberg is his agent, but whoever it is sure padded that contract right. Jeffrey Toobin (lawyer, a regular on CNN) has seen the contract, and even he states that it supports what Imus claims. He said it is one of the ‘most unusual contracts he has ever seen’.

    CBS/NBC/MSNBC knew damn well they were not hiring a choir boy. Imus had a track record that went waaayyy back, and they knew exactly what they were getting with Don. He was hired to be outrageous, and the contract says that…

    Ahh, capitalism at its best. Contracts, lawsuits and lotsa cash. It warms the heart. More on Anderson-Cooper 360 tonight at 11, 8 Pacific time…

    I hope Imus cleans shop…

    Hey! I put my money where my mouth is and I donated to the site via PayPal tonight. So what are the perks? ;) Free parking? A Balloon Juice litter bag and air freshener that smells like cash for our cars? Complimentary dinner mints? Free Balloon Juice condoms?

    Inquiring minds want to know… ;)

  31. 31.

    jake

    May 2, 2007 at 10:06 pm

    Sex? Boats? Here’s a messed up little tale from Annapolis, MD.

    [Cue the Village People’s In the Navy.]

    Note: The first person to make a joke about seamen gets smacked upside the head with a flounder.

  32. 32.

    The Other Steve

    May 2, 2007 at 10:45 pm

    Extortion?

    At the same time, though, the community had skyrocketed. Nobody expected the grassroots to respond this campaign in such large numbers the way they have, and the rapid growth of the MySpace profile once the MySpace Impact Channel began promoting the various candidates is yet another example of the appeal of Barack. We were well over 100,000 friends, and the burden of administering such a profile became immense.

    Unfortunately, at that point, Joe changed the password on the profile, and didn’t give us the new one, like he had done in the past. This changed the previous dynamic, and we could no longer access the profile at a moment’s notice if need be. We asked Joe what was needed to restore access, and subsequently we received the list of itemized financial requests that have been discussed elsewhere.

    Pretty sad. I hope kos apologizes.

  33. 33.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    May 2, 2007 at 10:54 pm

    I SEE it was not only MEN who were recorded. ;) I guess the doc wanted to get into Davy Jones Meat Locker for a visual snack.

    ‘Hey, those were security cameras! Its not my fault the men were naked or having sex in front of the cameras!’

    These nuts who have the camera/nudity fetish are just plain sick. I loved the one where the guy was hiding in an outhouse, and I mean IN the outhouse! Now that is dedication…

    I watched AC360, and though I am far from a lawyer, that contract Imus had with CBS sounds pretty bulletproof. I bet CBS caves and settles out of court. And if I know Imus, he will not settle for a penny less than what the contract was for. The contract has CBS acknowledging his past history and the reviews/commentaries about his show, they refer to him as a “shock jock” and the contract requires him to be outrageous, it is expected of him. Combine that with the requirement that he be given one warning before they could fire him and Imus pretty much has this one in the bag.

    ‘I did my job, now pay me…’

    The attorney (Jeff Toobin) and analysts on AC360 are in agreement, CBS will pay. Cooper even did an interview with Sharpton, and asked him about CBS requiring Imus to be outrageous and to push the limits. Sharpton looked like a truck hit him (or someone burned down his radio station), it was a Kodak moment and I laughted my ass off at his expression. Ol’ Al said that as long as CBS did not have the words ‘racist’ or ‘sexist’ in the contract, then he had no issue with CBS. More like ol’ Al don’t want to take on CBS because he knows that he will never win that battle. You could tell by his expression that he was not happy at all. Good.

    If anything, CBS gave Imus a blank check to do what he has always done in the past. Not only that, but it included an insurance policy to boot. Priceless…

    Al and Jesse said that Imus must be made to pay for what he did, and that meant that he must lose his jobs and by extension, the big contracts. Heck, they just put Don on a $40 million dollar, four year paid vacation!

    I love it! I hope NBC/MSNBC is next. They deserve it, and I am a viewer of theirs (Keith Olbermann fan). Since Imus went off the air, I watch MSNBC less than half as much as I did. Between Tweety, Joe and Keith, there is 14 hours a week (max) spent. And I could not watch it every day. Imus got 17 1/2 hours a week. I watched him every single day.

    They have lost the advertisers, and they do not have a big name in that time slot to bring them back. So they lost anyways, despite what they did in firing him. One thing I find rotten is that MSNBC did not even have the guts to fire Imus to his face, they did it via a one page letter sent FedEx.

    Chickenshits…

    PS: Does what I say mean I excuse Imus? Hell no, what he did was flat out wrong and he NEVER should have done it. At the VERY least, he owed the women of Rutgers a HUGE apology, and he did so in person. They accepted his apology, end of story. If they forgive him, they who were attacked and insulted, then that is all I need to hear. In the end, he did the right thing and that is the end of the story.

    Or so we thought…lol!

  34. 34.

    Punchy

    May 2, 2007 at 11:01 pm

    Every woman has a little bitch, girl next door, ballbuster, ho, pinup girl, earth mother and ice princess in her.

    Is “ice princess” something from the Adam and Eve catalog?

  35. 35.

    Pb

    May 3, 2007 at 1:14 am

    The Other Steve Says:

    Extortion?

    Nope–and the guy you quoted admits as much. But congratulations on being even more of a dick than Obama’s campaign people on this one.

  36. 36.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 8:08 am

    Al and Jesse said that Imus must be made to pay for what he did, and that meant that he must lose his jobs and by extension, the big contracts. Heck, they just put Don on a $40 million dollar, four year paid vacation!

    Poor Imus. Suck a victim of the vast left wing conspiracy.

  37. 37.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 8:10 am

    Nope—and the guy you quoted admits as much. But congratulations on being even more of a dick than Obama’s campaign people on this one.

    I’m sorry you were wrong Pb. But that’s no reason to pull a Bush and get snippy with me.

    I just think it’s interesting, when you get both sides of the story, things don’t seem so cut and dried. It’s sad the blog swarm this created. All the wailing and nashing of teeth, over nothing.

  38. 38.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 8:14 am

    I love it! I hope NBC/MSNBC is next. They deserve it, and I am a viewer of theirs (Keith Olbermann fan). Since Imus went off the air, I watch MSNBC less than half as much as I did. Between Tweety, Joe and Keith, there is 14 hours a week (max) spent. And I could not watch it every day. Imus got 17 1/2 hours a week. I watched him every single day.

    Uhh… MSNBC was like the lowest rated morning show on cable. It was like lower than low. More people watched reruns of Head of the Class in the morning. Whatever MSNBC does is likely going to improve their ratings.

    Anything, I find it humourous that you are laughing about the Don Imus golden parachute, as if you didn’t realize this before.

  39. 39.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 8:22 am

    BTW, Pb… Check out the Obama myspace page.

    If you can find the supposed 160,000 friends list that was stolen, let me know where.

  40. 40.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 8:23 am

    I just think it’s interesting, when you get both sides of the story, things don’t seem so cut and dried. It’s sad the blog swarm this created. All the wailing and nashing of teeth, over nothing.

    No, it’s totally fucking clear.

    Regardless of the guy’s intentions — blackmail, being a sourpuss, or honestly wanting to recoup costs — Obama’s campaign looks like a bunch of dickwads over what is a rounding error in a Democrat media consultant’s typically absurd salary.

    They could have HIRED this guy, kept everyone happy, and not alienated hundreds or thousands of online activists.

    Instead, they’ve bought themselves a lot more than $44,000 in negative publicity.

  41. 41.

    Larry

    May 3, 2007 at 8:53 am

    Is Balloon-Juice the Twitter(tm) of blogs?

    If it isn’t, I suggest that it should be.

  42. 42.

    Pb

    May 3, 2007 at 9:37 am

    The Other Steve,

    I just think it’s interesting, when you get both sides of the story, things don’t seem so cut and dried.

    Mmm-hmm. Hence, your baseless cries of extortion?

  43. 43.

    Larry

    May 3, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Since Imus went off the air, I watch MSNBC less than half as much as I did. Between Tweety, Joe and Keith, there is 14 hours a week (max) spent. And I could not watch it every day. Imus got 17 1/2 hours a week. I watched him every single day.

    Material like this actually has the power to suck the energy right out of my brain and render me comatose for a period of time. The boredom is not passive, it’s invasive.

    I would guess that reading posts like this one are what caused the tragic decline of Terri Schiavo.

    Forewarned, forearmed.

  44. 44.

    Zifnab

    May 3, 2007 at 10:04 am

    Imus got 17 1/2 hours a week. I watched him every single day.

    Ye, gods. Get a fucking life. I’m a Daily Show fiend and even I would never watch that much John Stewart or Steven Colbert.

  45. 45.

    Zifnab

    May 3, 2007 at 10:18 am

    Not sure if you guys already caught this, but they’re doing a spin-off of “24”

    “24: the Animated Series”

    Hollywood — Starting this fall, viewers can see what Jack Bauer was like as a child as Fox will spin off “24″ into a Saturday morning cartoon. “We’ll see a little Jack Bauer as a member of the Cub Scouts, torturing Arab kids at camp who look suspicious,” says “24″ creator Joel Surnow.

  46. 46.

    Mary

    May 3, 2007 at 10:39 am

    They could have HIRED this guy, kept everyone happy, and not alienated hundreds or thousands of online activists.

    They offered him a full time job early in the process. He turned them down.

    Tempest, meet teapot.

  47. 47.

    YellowJournalism

    May 3, 2007 at 10:39 am

    April Fool’s was last month, Zifnab.

    Seriously, you’ve got to be kidding me. Are they going to show us Little Jack torturing his brother by shoving fried worms up his nostrils.

  48. 48.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    May 3, 2007 at 10:53 am

    I’m a college student Ziff, and I do my homework early in the am when the wife and kids are asleep. I guess that ‘watch’ is not a good term, more like ‘listen’. After all, Imus was a radio show, and MSNBC just simulcast it. While he would have some things that you could not get unless you were watching it, mostly it was fine to just listen to it.

    When you are doing Java or C++ coding, having something drone along in the background that does not require watching is better than nothing. And Don did drone very well…lol. Now I am stuck with C-SPAN for the drone. While the content is marginally better, listening to the right or left wing extremists can be like being stuck in a revolving door. It gets tedious after awhile. I live in a rural area and we have two radio stations and they both suck eggs.

    Yes, that VLWC sure stuck it to Imus. Looks like he will be crying all of the way to the bank…lol! If I was him, I would take the money and just retire, after all he is 66 now. As it is, he can hardly breathe. Some days, he would wheeze like a tired old mule (come to think of it, he looks like a tired old mule too, and acts like one too…lol).

    Time for him to retire and enjoy what little life is left, IMO…

    Back to C++, one more lab to do… {groan…}

  49. 49.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 10:53 am

    Regardless of the guy’s intentions—blackmail, being a sourpuss, or honestly wanting to recoup costs—Obama’s campaign looks like a bunch of dickwads over what is a rounding error in a Democrat media consultant’s typically absurd salary.

    They could have HIRED this guy, kept everyone happy, and not alienated hundreds or thousands of online activists.

    Isn’t it interesting how you’re outraged about something that is not true?

  50. 50.

    Tsulagi

    May 3, 2007 at 10:54 am

    Every woman has a little bitch, girl next door, ballbuster, ho, pinup girl, earth mother and ice princess in her.

    Yep, that’s true. But how come we don’t get the remote, and all too often the channel is stuck on ballbuster? ;-)

  51. 51.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 10:55 am

    Mmm-hmm. Hence, your baseless cries of extortion?

    Right. I forgot, we are in a new era of Truthiness.

    Holding something hostage in exchange for money isn’t extortion… it’s uhhh… Creative Capitalism!

  52. 52.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 10:57 am

    When you are doing Java or C++ coding, having something drone along in the background that does not require watching is better than nothing.

    Three words

    Paul Van Dyk

    Yes, that VLWC sure stuck it to Imus. Looks like he will be crying all of the way to the bank…lol! If I was him, I would take the money and just retire, after all he is 66 now. As it is, he can hardly breathe. Some days, he would wheeze like a tired old mule (come to think of it, he looks like a tired old mule too, and acts like one too…lol).

    That’s what I never understood about all the whining that poor Imus was a victim. He was certain to be getting a seven figure severance package. I mean, like cry me a fucking river or something.

  53. 53.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Isn’t it interesting how you’re outraged about something that is not true?

    What’s not true? The only thing that matter is the bad press, and the underlying conditions are almost totally irrelevant.

    If he didn’t want the job, then just pay him off. It’s not worth the appearance of a problem.

    $40k is a fraction of one TV spot.

  54. 54.

    Tax Analyst

    May 3, 2007 at 11:32 am

    The Disenfranchised Voter Says:

    But what about sex with boats?

    Now that’s what I wanna talk about!

    Does anyone/thing take it in the aft?? Perspiring folks want to know.

  55. 55.

    Mary

    May 3, 2007 at 11:37 am

    But would paying some guy on MySpace 40K just to avoid the appearance of impropriety (at least, in some people’s eyes) just open yet another can of worms? “Hey, it’s Obama the appeaser. He paid off some guy because he didn’t have the guts to just use the profile name MySpace said he was entitled to use. What a wuss!”

  56. 56.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    May 3, 2007 at 11:38 am

    Andrew, the guy let them have access as he said he was volunteering his time as a so-called Obama supporter, then he later pulled it and demanded cash to let them back in. That is not an Obama supporter, that is extortion.

    IMO, he was a squatter trying to cash in on a gamble. He lost.

    Steve, who is Paul Van Dyk? Never heard of him.

  57. 57.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 11:45 am

    Andrew, the guy let them have access as he said he was volunteering his time as a so-called Obama supporter, then he later pulled it and demanded cash to let them back in. That is not an Obama supporter, that is extortion.

    1) As I said, even if it was extortion, they way the handled it was far more costly than the trivial extortion costs, which would have been really easy to gloss over. There are dozens of consultants being paid millions of dollars.
    2) Obama apparently called the guy. This is a clear indication that the campaign realized that they have fucked up.
    3) A squatter running an active network for years in hopes that the person will run for president so that he can then blackmail him for a fairly trivial amount? That’s a pretty horrible business plan.

  58. 58.

    Tax Analyst

    May 3, 2007 at 11:47 am

    YellowJournalism Says:

    April Fool’s was last month, Zifnab.

    Seriously, you’ve got to be kidding me. Are they going to show us Little Jack torturing his brother by shoving fried worms up his nostrils.

    I thought that was G.W. Bush who did that as a child…no, wait…that was supposed to be firecrackers stuffed in kitty cats rear ends or something like that…according to the rumor, anyway. It’s sad, but based on his adult (chronologically speaking) behavior, I see GW as being entirely capable of such a thing. No, I don’t have a link or proof, just scurrilous supposition. Maybe MSNBC could conduct a poll and see if people believe he could have. I’m thinking “65% YES, 32% NO, and 3% Why haven’t we seen Whisker’s lately?”.

  59. 59.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 11:52 am

    What’s not true? The only thing that matter is the bad press, and the underlying conditions are almost totally irrelevant.

    Wait wait… It’s true, but yet it’s not? What matters is that people are outraged about something that is not true. So therefore truth does not matter?

    Ahh, I love Truthiness!

    If he didn’t want the job, then just pay him off. It’s not worth the appearance of a problem.

    Most people on campaigns don’t get paid. Especially not volunteers.

    Frankly, I don’t know what the guy was thinking. What do you think is going to feel worse? Not getting his $39,000 extortion check, or all the people hating on him?

    Christ, when I was running a Clark website my biggest fear was that my $15/month in hosting fees was going to be considered a contribution to the campaign, and my many hours of development would be considered an in-kind contribution… and I’d be violating campaign finance rules or something.

    And this guy is worried about not cashing out?

    Something is wrong there.

  60. 60.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 11:54 am

    Steve, who is Paul Van Dyk? Never heard of him.

    A DJ guy… makes Trance music.

    I like Trance when I’m working on the computer. It’s mindless, but yet fast paced.

  61. 61.

    The Other Steve

    May 3, 2007 at 11:58 am

    1) As I said, even if it was extortion, they way the handled it was far more costly than the trivial extortion costs, which would have been really easy to gloss over. There are dozens of consultants being paid millions of dollars.

    The whole tempest is largely just a bunch of Edwards supporters looking for anything to try to desperately get out from under the Haircut scandal. As Mary said, if he’d paid the guy they would have been complaining about how Obama can’t manage campaign funds well.

    I’m not even a committed supporter, I just don’t like bullshit stories.

  62. 62.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Most people on campaigns don’t get paid. Especially not volunteers.

    Most volunteers don’t control access to 160,000 myspace IDs.

    1) There was a really good article recently in the Atlantic (I think) about Democratic consultants and the absurd fees they have been charging (especially relative to the Republicans). Millions of dollars for mediocre results. Millions.

    2) This guy wanted $40,000 which seems like a totally reasonable sum for giving up control over his work and should have been a trivial expense for the Obama campaign.

    Comparing and contrasting (1) and (2) just makes me feel depressed.

  63. 63.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 12:02 pm

    The whole tempest is largely just a bunch of Edwards supporters looking for anything to try to desperately get out from under the Haircut scandal.

    That’s maybe true, but I think it’s also stupid.

    The reason I think it’s a bad scene for Obama is because I like him MORE than Hillary and Edwards.

  64. 64.

    Mary

    May 3, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    “Control access” to 160K IDs? Meaning that these same people would no longer be able to sign up for the new official site? A lot of these same people will end up at the official site (about 12,000 new friends in one day, I think).

    The volunteer got the ball rolling on the original 160K, and the campaign pitched in some support and materials that helped the site gain more. But his expertise in adding friends (based on the power of Obama’s name and reputation, his ability to develop interesting content alone or in coordination with the campaign, and his ability to click the “Add friend” button) is admirable, but not worth 40K. Not by a longshot.

  65. 65.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    May 3, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    Thanks for the tip Steve, I will have to check it out. :)

    Andrew, go read up. The site had about 40,000 people when Obama’s people started working with him. After it was released that the campaign was working with him, membership jumped to 160,000.

    I am not even an Obama supporter, nor do I plan on voting for him. As far as name squatters go, it is an old story on the internet, and it has been going on for quite some time. They have stopped the most egregious cases, but this guy must have thought he found a loophole at MySpace. Nope, their policy is the name belongs to the person, if they are a public personality.

    Heck, the fact that Obama did not just take the name, but they tried to work with him, shows that Obama was not out to take away what the guy had done. Why toss out the hard work of a dedicated volunteer? Once it was clear that the guy was in it to cash in, they called him on it.

    He lost. End of story. But not for the Edwards camp at Kos and elsewhere. They smell a distraction from a $400.00 haircut…

    $400.00 for a haircut? What a joke. You have to really be someone to want a $400.00 haircut. Or want to be someone…

  66. 66.

    Tax Analyst

    May 3, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    So, I went to Joe Anthony’s website and looked around a bit and read a bit and thought a bit and here’s what my impression is: OK, so you’re Barack Obama (not really, but just step inside his loafers for a moment). And you’ve got this youngfella with a Website in your name and it’s gotten too big for him to run, and it’s probably making you a little nervous anyway, since you happen to be running for President, not a minor enterprise last time I checked, and this well-meaning youngfella could screw up and say who-knows-what at any point between now and Election Day 2008. So you’d rather have your people control it..and youngfella seems fine with that, EXCEPT now he wants $39,000 + $10,000 + maybe some more along the way. And you turn him down and now he says maybe he won’t vote for you…someone he admired enough to dedicate a Website to, mind you. I don’t know about you but right now my loafers are glad to have dealt youngfella out right here and now in early May, 2007 – not everyone loves you for it, but is that really gonna significantly tilt the Primaries or General Election? I don’t think so…for one thing it’s just not all that clear to me that unsolicited Volunteer Work automatically requires compensation if it is successful. Maybe your NEXT effort should be attempted from the perspective of a professional level – if your Volunteer effort proved competent and successful. And also, what would have been the price in May, 2008? And if youngfella thought Obama was The Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread and The Man To Lead Us Into The Future all the way up to getting turned down for the $$$, what I am to think? So I took off the loafers, ’cause I think they’re too big and put my own shoes back on and I think maybe the size of the site and notoriety went to youngfella’s head and he ought to take said head to Jenny Craig or maybe just run some Mental Floss through it and then get it screwed back on straight again. It ain’t $39K +, but it’s my 2 cents worth…

  67. 67.

    Tax Analyst

    May 3, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    but it’s my 2 cents worth…

    …available FREE today, but only on Balloon Juice!!!

  68. 68.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 12:29 pm

    $400.00 for a haircut? What a joke. You have to really be someone to want a $400.00 haircut. Or want to be someone…

    Very odd. You’re sort of like a Malkin-Hillary hybrid.

  69. 69.

    Zifnab

    May 3, 2007 at 12:33 pm

    You have to really be someone to want a $400.00 haircut.

    Or buy a $10,000 suit.
    Or fly in a private jet.
    Or own a ranch out in Crawford when you haven’t previously seen a tumbleweed in your adult life.

    Almost like someone’s running for President.

  70. 70.

    Andrew

    May 3, 2007 at 12:54 pm

    I found out yesterday that women pay $40 for a simple haircut and that is considered extremely cheap.

    I think all of the $400 haircut people (Hillary or Obama supporters?) are just sexist.

    I’m happy to report that my amortized haircut cost is about $.25 after buying an electric clipper a few years ago.

  71. 71.

    Pb

    May 3, 2007 at 1:11 pm

    Holding something hostage in exchange for money isn’t extortion…

    Not in this case, no; and changing the password on a site that you started isn’t extortion either. But your inflammatory accusations might be libel. So now that we’ve got that canard out of the way, on to the next…

  72. 72.

    Tax Analyst

    May 3, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    Whatever happened to “Boat Sex”? I miss it already.

  73. 73.

    Krista

    May 3, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    Every woman has a little bitch, girl next door, ballbuster, ho, pinup girl, earth mother and ice princess in her.

    Yep, that’s true. But how come we don’t get the remote, and all too often the channel is stuck on ballbuster?

    You must be doing a piss-poor job with the buttons, my friend.

  74. 74.

    Krista

    May 3, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    I found out yesterday that women pay $40 for a simple haircut and that is considered extremely cheap.

    That is cheap. It depends on where you are, too. Out here in the sticks, I pay about $30 for my haircuts (which is nothing, as I only get my hair cut twice a year), but when I lived in the city, haircuts were more like $75 a pop (that’s just cut, not colour), unless I wanted to go to one of those cheapie “family” haircut places where they send you out the door with uneven bangs and wet hair.

  75. 75.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    May 3, 2007 at 2:53 pm

    Nope Andrew, too much testosterone to be either of them (though I think Hillary shaves to keep the moustache at bay), thank God. If I were to pick a Dem candidate for my favorite, it would be Richardson, Biden or Gravel. Since they don’t stand a chance, I will probably write in Snoopy in 2008.

    I have not paid for a haircut in over 20 years now (I wear a ponytail and trimming it is easy), and my wife and two kids go to a salon and get their hair cut for a total of $40.00, and that is with a $10.00 tip…lol! They go regularly, so it is little more than a trim for them and the lady gives her a break (my wife also tips with homemade bananna bread and knitted washcloths).

    So Edwards haircut would pay for 10 trips for the wife and kids combined. Less the goodies… ;)

  76. 76.

    Pb

    May 3, 2007 at 4:09 pm

    The manufactured Edwards haircut fiasco is total BS as well–for one thing, he never paid “$400 for a haircut” either–he got a $150 haircut, and then paid extra for the housecall. But really, who cares?

  77. 77.

    Tsulagi

    May 3, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    Yep, that’s true. But how come we don’t get the remote, and all too often the channel is stuck on ballbuster?

    You must be doing a piss-poor job with the buttons, my friend.

    See what I mean?… lol

  78. 78.

    Krista

    May 3, 2007 at 7:40 pm

    Yep, that’s true. But how come we don’t get the remote, and all too often the channel is stuck on ballbuster?

    You must be doing a piss-poor job with the buttons, my friend.

    See what I mean?… lol

    Yeah, yeah. Well, with that funny little comment of yours, it was either be sincere, and have you tease me, or try to hold my own, and have you tease me.

  79. 79.

    Tsulagi

    May 3, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    Of course I was just joking. Actually, my very significant other spends much less time on the ballbuster channel than the others you mentioned. And when she does, she’s often right. I got no complaints.

    I’d still like the remote, though.

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