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You are here: Home / Foreign Affairs / Military / Don Rumsfeld- Running the Pentagon Like the Sopranos

Don Rumsfeld- Running the Pentagon Like the Sopranos

by John Cole|  June 17, 20072:20 pm| 49 Comments

This post is in: Military, War on Terror aka GSAVE®, Outrage

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For a lengthy expose on General Taguba, the author of the Abu Ghraib report that Don Rumsfeld and others have repeatedly lied under oath about, go here. Money quote comes from the third page, when Taguba was told he and his report would be investigated:

Taguba got a different message, however, from other officers, among them General John Abizaid, then the head of Central Command. A few weeks after his report became public, Taguba, who was still in Kuwait, was in the back seat of a Mercedes sedan with Abizaid. Abizaid’s driver and his interpreter, who also served as a bodyguard, were in front. Abizaid turned to Taguba and issued a quiet warning: “You and your report will be investigated.”

“I wasn’t angry about what he said but disappointed that he would say that to me,” Taguba said. “I’d been in the Army thirty-two years by then, and it was the first time that I thought I was in the Mafia.”

I wonder how long the damage Rumsfeld and company have done to the military will take to repair. Wingnuts better start acting now and blaming this on Clinton.

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  1. 1.

    srv

    June 17, 2007 at 2:36 pm

    Don’t tell me, Taguba has a book coming out?

  2. 2.

    Dave

    June 17, 2007 at 2:40 pm

    Depressing thing is I don’t think anyone cares. Dems might investigate, but I think the country is starting to suffer from scandal burnout.

  3. 3.

    Dreggas

    June 17, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    I read that stuff via Sully earlier. Why do I get the feeling that this cloud won’t start going away until Rumsfeld is on trial at the Hague? I mean could we even possibly charge and try him here and it not be viewed as a sham? Don’t get me wrong it rankles me that the europeans think they can indict U.S. citizens on shit like this in absentia, but something has to give.

  4. 4.

    Pb

    June 17, 2007 at 3:07 pm

    For a lengthy expose on General Taguba, the author of the Abu Ghraib report that Don Rumsfeld and others have repeatedly lied under oath about

    Tim F., you raving moonbat… oh wait…

    Nice post, John!

  5. 5.

    Jill

    June 17, 2007 at 3:37 pm

    Seymour Hersh has been the leader of exposing every egregious action taken by this corrupt and fascist administration. From the White House Iraq Group and their stove-piping of intelligence to Abu Gahrib to this latest article on Taguba, Hersh is the man to read. Why don’t we see him on TV as much as we see all the reporters and columnists who blindly believed the administration and their lies? The only man with credibility about this horrendous group who are destroying our government and our reputation is Sy Hersh.

  6. 6.

    RSA

    June 17, 2007 at 4:33 pm

    I thought this line was very telling:

    Taguba told me that he understood when he began the inquiry that it could damage his career; early on, a senior general in Iraq had pointed out to him that the abused detainees were “only Iraqis.”

    For me, this captures what I think of as the Bushies’ world view. They’re willing to take enormous foreign policy risks because, hey, if it all goes wrong (as it did), the people who suffer are “only Iraqis”. Fill in the blank differently and you can explain a lot of domestic failures as well: Katrina, global warming measures, domestic spying, and pretty much any conflict that pits vested interests against ordinary people.

  7. 7.

    Zifnab

    June 17, 2007 at 5:10 pm

    I wonder how long the damage Rumsfeld and company have done to the military will take to repair. Wingnuts better start acting now and blaming this on Clinton.

    Don’t worry. I think we’ve passed the Red Line where everything that goes wrong was Clinton’s fault. Now, everything that goes wrong will be the fault of Bush’s replacement – assuming that replacement is a Democrat – and the 110th Congress. If only Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid had acted swiftly and bravely, we could have won the War on Terror, ended the energy crisis, lowered taxes, forstalled the recession, prevented Hurricane Katrina, defeated Iran, and saved Bambi’s Mother from being shoot.

    Those Democrats will just prove why government doesn’t work.

  8. 8.

    Bruce Moomaw

    June 17, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    Actually, Cole has just outrageously smeared the Sopranos, who were considerably more competent (and who, unlike Rumsfeld, had enough impartiality about their own judgment to see psychiatrists).

  9. 9.

    DougJ

    June 17, 2007 at 7:08 pm

    What Clinton did was worse. Remember the “Wag the Dog” stunt he pulled with Kosovo?

  10. 10.

    Pb

    June 17, 2007 at 8:11 pm

    Remember the “Wag the Dog” stunt he pulled

    I thought Socks was behind that… stupid dogs.

  11. 11.

    demimondian

    June 17, 2007 at 8:25 pm

    I thought Socks was behind that… stupid dog

    What? Hot cat on dog action? Paging Sen. Santorum!

  12. 12.

    PaulB

    June 17, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    “I think we’ve passed the Red Line where everything that goes wrong was Clinton’s fault.”

    I fervently hope you’re correct, but I doubt you are. There really is an amazing amount of rancor directed at the Clintons and as long as either of them is still active publicly, they will still be used as examples of whatever the idiot making the comparison wants them to be. And the worse it gets for Bush and the Republican party, the more they will invoke both Bill and Hillary.

  13. 13.

    cd6

    June 17, 2007 at 8:53 pm

    Bumper sticker I saw yesterday:

    “Can’t somebody just give Bush a blowjob so we can impeach him?”

  14. 14.

    Rome Again

    June 17, 2007 at 9:25 pm

    Depressing thing is I don’t think anyone cares. Dems might investigate, but I think the country is starting to suffer from scandal burnout.

    Scandal burnout seems about right. I read a diary on DKos today written by clammyc, and in it, he makss a list of all we’ve had go down the pike in the last several years and I forgot half that shit.

    I can’t keep up anymore. My brain can’t take it.

  15. 15.

    Beej

    June 18, 2007 at 2:00 am

    Two thoughts (about my limit for this hour):

    1. Why does everyone call Hillary Clinton just Hillary? Name another politician that the press and public call by a first name only. Shouldn’t it be just Clinton? After all it is McCain, Bush, Romney, Obama, Biden, etc.

    2. I am ancient enough to have lived through Watergate. If there’s anyone else out there who’ll admit to being as old as I am, I have a question. Where are the Sam Donaldsons, the Walter Cronkites, and, yes, the Dan Rathers who refused to let up on the Watergate story once it was broken by Woodward and Bernstein? When Tony Snowjob opines that Harry Reid owes a general an apology because he had the temerity to say that general had done a poor job, where is the follow-up that goes something like: So you’re saying, Tony, that the majority leader of the U.S. Senate should not and cannot comment on the competency or performance of a military leader unless such a comment is praise. And if the majority leader should make a negative assessment of said general’s performance, he must then apologize to the general. Is that what you’re saying Tony? My question then, is, what about the fact that the Constitution charges Congress with oversight of the executive, including the handling of the military?

    Did some reporter ask a question like that and I missed it, or did they just nod their heads when Snowjob laid it out? Have any of the networks considered just putting a video tape setup in the White House that Snow and others can appear in front of every so often to make pronouncements and the networks can then collect the tapes for broadcast on the evening news. Would save bunches of money and be the rough equivalent of what they’re doing now.

  16. 16.

    Pb

    June 18, 2007 at 3:01 am

    Beej,

    Why does everyone call Hillary Clinton just Hillary?

    For a few reasons, probably.

    1. Her campaign is pushing this.
    2. Just “Clinton” in politics still means “Bill Clinton” for a lot of people. But just “Hillary” in politics means “Hillary Clinton”. So if you’re going to use just one name, I think “Hillary” is less confusing.
    3. Perhaps some cowardly Democratic strategist sees it as a way to distance “Hillary” from the “Clinton” name. Which is ridiculous of course, but that’s apparently what they get paid for.

  17. 17.

    vg

    June 18, 2007 at 7:58 am

    Wait a minute. Isn’t that written by Sy Hersh?

    The same Sy Hersh you said had a special place in hell waiting for him for rooting against the troops?

    What’s the deal, man?

  18. 18.

    Anonymous Jim

    June 18, 2007 at 8:15 am

    When Republicans took over control of Congress and the Presidency I expected them to dismantle or destroy the department of education, HHS and Medicare. Oddly they have most damaged the CIA, the Defense Department and DOJ, three of the more “conservative” agencies in the federal government.

  19. 19.

    Zifnab

    June 18, 2007 at 8:21 am

    When Tony Snowjob opines that Harry Reid owes a general an apology because he had the temerity to say that general had done a poor job, where is the follow-up that goes something like: So you’re saying, Tony, that the majority leader of the U.S. Senate should not and cannot comment on the competency or performance of a military leader unless such a comment is praise.

    Those questions come – frequently from the Sainted Helen Thomas, who’s been keeping Presidential nuts in the fire since Kennedy – but they’re never turned into newspaper articles. When Tony sputters and mumbles and calls “next question”, the newspapers just print his slightly more cognizant talking points and leave the follow-up questions and their gibberish responses on the cutting room floor.

    And the talking heads at CNN/MSNBC/FOX don’t give two shits about Presidential news briefs except as an excuse to throw another flashy graphic up on the screen.

  20. 20.

    Mr Furious

    June 18, 2007 at 8:32 am

    Beej,

    It’s been pointed out that Reid wasn’t even talking about Pace, he was in the middle of a discussion about Gonzalez, and was referring to Gonzalez as incompetant, and making the point that Bush is stciking by Gonzo, yet is perfectly willing to toss Pace. From the CArpetbagger Report (since you won;t read it in any MSM source)…

    Greg Sargent obtained a recording of the relevant part of Reid’s conference call with bloggers. Here’s exactly what was said:

    BLOGGER QUESTION: What’s the next step on Gonzales?

    REID: Well, I guess the President, he’s gotten rid of Pace because he could not get confirmed here in the Senate. Pace is also a yes-man for the President. I told him to his face, I laid it out last time he came in to see me. I told him what an incompetent man I thought he was. But he got rid of his Joint Chiefs of Staff chair, but he still hangs on to this failed Attorney General. And I guess he’s gonna [inaudible]. We’re gonna keep focusing on it. Every day that goes by, it seems he keeps giving. Now we’ve learned that the immigration judges are all graduates of Regent University I guess.

    Now, it’s not entirely clear from the transcript who Reid was referring to with “he.” After the “incompetent” sentence, Reid said “he got rid of his Joint Chiefs of Staff chair,” which is obviously a reference to the president. Indeed, Rick Perlstein makes the case that Reid’s criticism was directed at Bush, not Pace.

    But even if we put that interpretation aside — I kind of doubt Reid told Bush to his face in a private meeting “what an incompetent man I thought he was” — this is a tempest in a teapot. As Greg explained, Reid’s comment “was in the context of a discussion of Alberto Gonzales and other administration incompetents, not Iraq. The reference to Pace was an aside — brought up solely to highlight Bush’s loyalty to Gonzales. Reid’s focus here wasn’t on Pace or the commanders.”

    Reid was clearly, to me. referring to Gonzalez as the “incompetant man” and drawing Pace into his answer solely to contrast the way Bush jettisoned him to avoid focus and scrutiny from Congress, yet he stubbornly refuses to cut Gonzo loose.

  21. 21.

    The Other Steve

    June 18, 2007 at 8:42 am

    When Republicans took over control of Congress and the Presidency I expected them to dismantle or destroy the department of education, HHS and Medicare. Oddly they have most damaged the CIA, the Defense Department and DOJ, three of the more “conservative” agencies in the federal government.

    Well they did do a nice number on FEMA.

    Not since Grover Cleveland has emergency response to natural disasters been called a “Liberal Agenda”.

  22. 22.

    Wilfred

    June 18, 2007 at 9:15 am

    Donald Rumsfeld is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful Secretary of Defense I’ve ever known in my life.

  23. 23.

    Rome Again

    June 18, 2007 at 10:08 am

    2. I am ancient enough to have lived through Watergate. If there’s anyone else out there who’ll admit to being as old as I am, I have a question. Where are the Sam Donaldsons, the Walter Cronkites, and, yes, the Dan Rathers who refused to let up on the Watergate story once it was broken by Woodward and Bernstein? When Tony Snowjob opines that Harry Reid owes a general an apology because he had the temerity to say that general had done a poor job, where is the follow-up that goes something like: So you’re saying, Tony, that the majority leader of the U.S. Senate should not and cannot comment on the competency or performance of a military leader unless such a comment is praise. And if the majority leader should make a negative assessment of said general’s performance, he must then apologize to the general. Is that what you’re saying Tony? My question then, is, what about the fact that the Constitution charges Congress with oversight of the executive, including the handling of the military?

    It doesn’t exist anymore, since the press decided they liked the perks that went with bribery and shutting one’s mouth.

  24. 24.

    Zifnab

    June 18, 2007 at 10:22 am

    It doesn’t exist anymore, since the press decided they liked the perks that went with bribery and shutting one’s mouth.

    What perks? Getting regularly trashed by virtually everyone as biased in one direction or the other? Holding an audiance in the 1-3 million range when honest competitors like NPR reach ten times that number? Going from media celebrities to boring jokes? Being out-classed by a pair of comedy shows (Stewart/Colber ’08!) on an underwatched channel on cable TV?

    What are these so-called perks? Cause I’m really not seeing them.

    Donald Rumsfeld is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful Secretary of Defense I’ve ever known in my life.

    Great Sec Def or Greatest Sec Def?

  25. 25.

    Punchy

    June 18, 2007 at 10:25 am

    Beej–

    You not allowed to criticize a general during a war. I know this b/c Sean Hannity told me so. I don’t think the gentleman would lie…

  26. 26.

    The Other Steve

    June 18, 2007 at 10:31 am

    You not allowed to criticize a general during a war. I know this b/c Sean Hannity told me so. I don’t think the gentleman would lie…

    Unless said General is displaying a clear Hatred of America, by demanding we live up to American values.

    sheesh

  27. 27.

    Dave

    June 18, 2007 at 10:50 am

    And the talking heads at CNN/MSNBC/FOX don’t give two shits about Presidential news briefs except as an excuse to throw another flashy graphic up on the screen.

    Following up on what Zif said…the other reason is the MSM is about money and ratings, not about the public interest anymore. Paris sells, Helen doesn’t.

  28. 28.

    Zifnab

    June 18, 2007 at 11:02 am

    Following up on what Zif said…the other reason is the MSM is about money and ratings, not about the public interest anymore. Paris sells, Helen doesn’t.

    What’s more Paris is cheap. Real reporting will cost you.

    I feel you. Cable News has nothing to do with news, never really did. But the idea that they’re selling out for White House cookies? Nah, they’re just lazy.

  29. 29.

    Tsulagi

    June 18, 2007 at 11:05 am

    Oddly they have most damaged the CIA, the Defense Department and DOJ.

    Yeah, those three do seem to have been on the receiving end of a little more special love from the Bushists. Then elements of all three came together for that abortion named the Department of Homeland Security.

    There was no place in a Bush/Cheney/Rummy Pentagon for a guy like Taguba and a lot of others. From the DOJ hearings you can see the HR model now used in all federal agencies for continued employment, advancement and promotion.

    Gonzo even testified he didn’t examine the job performance of the fired attorneys. No need. Competence not required nor welcomed. All that matters is devotion to and going ass up for the message. And making sure Monica Goodling message keepers take note of it.

    It was the same for Rummy and his Monica Goodlings like Wolfie and Feith. Same for every federal department head in this admin. Even Tony Soprano would say WTF.

  30. 30.

    ThymeZone

    June 18, 2007 at 11:09 am

    Abizaid turned to Taguba and issued a quiet warning: “You and your report will be investigated.”

    I don’t see what the fuss is about. Abaizaid didn’t say “You and your piece of shit report will be investigated, motherfucker.”

    So, what’s the beef?

  31. 31.

    Jake

    June 18, 2007 at 11:33 am

    Oddly they have most damaged the CIA, the Defense Department and DOJ.

    Hey, if you’re going to fuck with people, think big!

  32. 32.

    tBone

    June 18, 2007 at 11:34 am

    Big deal. Standard fraternity pranks.

    If we can’t strap detainees down and shove things in their rectums or threaten them with snarling dogs, the terrorists have won. It’s that simple.

    Oh, sure, maybe a female prisoner gets sodomized once in a while. Well, what about all the women that Clinton sodomized? You moonbats are conspicuously silent on that point.

  33. 33.

    Zifnab

    June 18, 2007 at 11:35 am

    So, what’s the beef?

    I think that’s exactly the beef. Abaizaid needs to sound more gangasta if he wants to pull this style of governance and still hold credibility.

  34. 34.

    Dreggas

    June 18, 2007 at 11:37 am

    ThymeZone Says:

    Abizaid turned to Taguba and issued a quiet warning: “You and your report will be investigated.”

    I don’t see what the fuss is about. Abaizaid didn’t say “You and your piece of shit report will be investigated, motherfucker.”

    So, what’s the beef?

    To “Sopranoize” it:

    “I know a guy who works in concrete, you should give him a call, he’ll do the work”.

  35. 35.

    Andrei

    June 18, 2007 at 11:40 am

    VG, yes John indeed tell Sy Hersh to go to hell. I guess it’s hard to hear the kind of things a guy like Hersh has to say. So many of us don’t want to beleive they are true.

  36. 36.

    Jake

    June 18, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    I wonder how long the damage Rumsfeld and company have done to the military country will take to repair.

    Depends on what happens to “Knuckles” Rumsfeld and company. If someone boxes them up and ships them to The Hague, we’ll regain the trust of our allies a good deal quicker than if we continue to coddle them.

  37. 37.

    Punchy

    June 18, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    War on Terror aka GSAVE®,

    For the last friggin time, John, it’s The War Against Terror. With a likewise apropos acronym.

  38. 38.

    DougJ

    June 18, 2007 at 1:06 pm

    1. Why does everyone call Hillary Clinton just Hillary?

    Someone already touched on the reasons, but I think it’s worth noting that it’s a political advantage to be known your first name or nickname. There’s a reason Nike pushes this with all their clients.

  39. 39.

    Cyrus

    June 18, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    What perks? Getting regularly trashed by virtually everyone as biased in one direction or the other? Holding an audiance in the 1-3 million range when honest competitors like NPR reach ten times that number? Going from media celebrities to boring jokes? Being out-classed by a pair of comedy shows (Stewart/Colber ‘08!) on an underwatched channel on cable TV?

    What are these so-called perks? Cause I’m really not seeing them.

    I guess it’s like a collective action problem, or some similar game-theoretical term. Journalism in general is suffering in a lot of ways, partly because the mainstream media is seen as such a failure. But the only journalists who themselves have a chance to do something about that do indeed profit off the current system, and/or would personally suffer for improving the status of their class. The people asking the softball questions at press conferences with Tony Snow get to go to press conferences and get on first-name bases with sources and may get to write books later. If you ask a totally-not-softball question, you might not get to go to press conferences.

    To put it another way, if you ask Tony Snow a really, really tough question at a press conference, it might slightly improve the image of the White House press corps and the media in general, but do you really want to be the person who provokes a comment like “I’m going to get that fucker” from someone like Cheney?

  40. 40.

    jg

    June 18, 2007 at 1:44 pm

    Why does everyone call Hillary Clinton just Hillary?

    Why is Bush known as ‘W’?

  41. 41.

    Tax Analyst

    June 18, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    Someone already touched on the reasons, but I think it’s worth noting that it’s a political advantage to be known your first name or nickname. There’s a reason Nike pushes this with all their clients.

    I’m sorry, but I absolutely refuse to vote for this “Nike” character for President, whoever the Hell he (or she) is. Uh…and that’s “Mr. Tax Analyst” to you, whoever you are…don’t you dare call me “Tax”…har-de-har…

  42. 42.

    Tax Analyst

    June 18, 2007 at 1:55 pm

    Why does everyone call Hillary Clinton just Hillary?

    Why is Bush known as ‘W’?

    …and Cheney known as “Dick the Prick”?

  43. 43.

    Davebo

    June 18, 2007 at 1:57 pm

    Why is Bush known as ‘W’?

    Oh I don’t know, could it be the millions of campaign bumper stickers Karl gave away?

  44. 44.

    Jake

    June 18, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    Why is Bush known as ‘W’?

    Wanker?

  45. 45.

    jg

    June 18, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    Since the Bush administration has been running the Treasury the same way Soprano would so why not the Pentagon too?

    Speaking of Tony;
    So sociopaths care a great deal about babies but not adults and they use psycology to perfect their methods?

  46. 46.

    Jake

    June 18, 2007 at 3:58 pm

    So sociopaths neocons care a great deal about babies zygotes but not adults and they use psychology and religion to perfect their methods?

    OK, we could debate the striking of sociopaths and adding of neocons as redundant, but otherwise, Fixed.

  47. 47.

    jg

    June 18, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    I wouldn’t add religion. By psycology I meant they use the knowledge of how people will react and percieve. Because of this they used religion against the religious.

  48. 48.

    jg

    June 18, 2007 at 4:21 pm

    Switching sociopaths with neo-cons is redundant which I think is exactly David Chase’s point. Or I’m reading way too much into the show.

  49. 49.

    sakthi

    June 19, 2007 at 11:48 am

    Already huge damage is done by Rumsfeld and company,its better to point of those and blame them for their mistakes rather bringing someone into the scene and put blame on them,perhaps Clinton…
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