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Saturday Open Thread

by John Cole|  August 11, 20078:30 am| 28 Comments

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Let’s take the time to explain to idiot wingers the difference between a few hot days here and there where the temperature spikes, and the accumulated evidence of increasing average temperatures.

Or we could just say to hell with them.

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  1. 1.

    Bob In Pacifica

    August 11, 2007 at 8:50 am

    Hey! There’s oil under the North Pole!

    Where did Santa move his workshop?

  2. 2.

    Ned R.

    August 11, 2007 at 9:06 am

    All the elves left to go to New Zealand to become hobbits.

  3. 3.

    grandpa john

    August 11, 2007 at 9:24 am

    well here in SC where I live it has reached 108 on my home thermometer for the last 3 days and expected to do so again today although officially the said it was 104 to 105 but still setting new record highs for those days . whether or not it is the result of of global warming it is sure hotter than it has ever been before.
    Yes I know that global warming is based on world wide averages, but if the wingnuts denying global warming can cherry pick data then I will give them some cherry picked data to counteract their cherry picked data

  4. 4.

    RSA

    August 11, 2007 at 9:31 am

    I seem to recall that some models of global warming predict increased variability in weather, including precipitation and temperature. If that’s the case, we would expect spikes in either direction. (Someone with more info should correct me if I’m wrong.) For the wingers: Cold snaps and heat waves may both be part of global warming.

  5. 5.

    Randy Paul

    August 11, 2007 at 9:36 am

    That’s why they should call it global climate change.

  6. 6.

    myiq2xu

    August 11, 2007 at 9:44 am

    Believe it or not, it’s actually been cooler than normal here in Central California.

    The reason? It’s been so hot that the coastal breezes have been sucked into the Central Valley, pushing the heat farther east.

    It’s actually rained here twice this summer, I can only remember summer rains here twice before in my whole life!

    I hate to think how hot it must be in Nevada.

  7. 7.

    Dennis-SGMM

    August 11, 2007 at 9:51 am

    If, say, Pat Robertson had been the one to raise awareness of global warming and he’d cast it as the wrath of G*d visited on us for our wayward morals. And if business could have made a quick 400% profit on global warming-preventing hats and t-shirts made in China and sold at WalMart, then the wingers would have been castigating everyone without a hat, t-shirt and Bible. The administration would announce that Iran secretly burns tons of charcoal to increase global warming and threaten military action.

  8. 8.

    RSA

    August 11, 2007 at 9:55 am

    Here in Raleigh it peaked above 100 during each of the past three days. The forecast has the high temperature above 90 every day next week.

  9. 9.

    Teak111

    August 11, 2007 at 9:57 am

    Here is Socal, its been a lot cooler then normal and the water temp is up around 70. In fact, right now down here in LowCal, we have June Gloom, in the middle of August, which is a layer of marine clouds that burn off by noon. Pretty unusual. Very pleasant, but please don’t move your family here. We have EQs and lots a fires, plus a lot of violent crime.

  10. 10.

    Dreggas

    August 11, 2007 at 10:12 am

    Teak111 Says:

    Here is Socal, its been a lot cooler then normal and the water temp is up around 70. In fact, right now down here in LowCal, we have June Gloom, in the middle of August, which is a layer of marine clouds that burn off by noon. Pretty unusual. Very pleasant, but please don’t move your family here. We have EQs and lots a fires, plus a lot of violent crime.

    Heh it has been weird but don’t forget not long ago we were having near record heat in June/July.

  11. 11.

    capelza

    August 11, 2007 at 10:13 am

    RSA Says:

    I seem to recall that some models of global warming predict increased variability in weather, including precipitation and temperature. If that’s the case, we would expect spikes in either direction. (Someone with more info should correct me if I’m wrong.) For the wingers: Cold snaps and heat waves may both be part of global warming.

    This the model I was familier with 10 or 15 years ago, when I worked at a university research center.

    Extremes of weather, etc. The monsoons in Asia are getting more brutal every year, desertification, etc. Some places will get more water (rain) others will lose even more.

    Anyone that honestly believes the government when they tell you it is not happening needs to do some research on the activity that’s going on around the Arctic. Countires, including the United )it ain’t real) States are jockeying for position as the ice cap metls. Ask Canada about our actions up there.

    The latest news about Russia claiming the North Pole is one of those rare instances where it actually makes news.

    myiq2xu, the same thing has been happening on the coast here this here. The traditonal obnoxious NW wind hasn’t been a factor, and the “heat suck” fog hasn’t occurred either. Inland from me, it was always hot, 5 miles or so…not this year.

    Friends are visiting from Nebraska. In their sweaters over in the “inland” town, we were talking about the decreased winter storms back home. There hasn’t been the snow piled high (even in SW Missouri when I was little, at that tailend of the great plains) for decades. Tornado alley has moved east. All anecdotal, but dammit..it’s the only positive thing about turning 50. You’ve lived long enough to to notice the changes. :)

  12. 12.

    Gold Star for Robot Boy

    August 11, 2007 at 10:27 am

    Here in Arizona, for a couple of weeks we had levels of airborne moisture associated more with the Gulf region.

  13. 13.

    Rome Again

    August 11, 2007 at 10:54 am

    Or we could just say to hell with them.

    Of course, this is all about Hell for them, but they’re under the strange impression the son of God is going to come along in a Superman moment and swoop them out of danger and leave the rest of us here to bake at 450. They rejoice in the idea of batches of baked human.

    Some book with lots of contradictions and secret messages that they have completely missed told them to believe such things and they have bought into cruelty and inhumane thinking while fantasizing that they themselves and they alone are good enough for the son of God’s rescue. Truly sick thinking if you ask me.

    Little do they know, they’re as stuck here as we are.

  14. 14.

    demimondian

    August 11, 2007 at 11:18 am

    For what it’s worth, there’s a great analysis of the errors in the right wingosphere’s analysis here. Saves me the trouble of writing it.

    The best points? 1938 is still in a statistical tie with 1998, just as it was before. And 4 of the ten hottest years on record were before the second World War prior to the readjustment. None of the changes affect anything important.

  15. 15.

    jake

    August 11, 2007 at 11:55 am

    Let’s take the time to explain to idiot wingers domestic cattle the difference between a few hot days here and there where the temperature spikes calculus, and the accumulated evidence of increasing average temperatures geometry.

    Different words, same difference.

  16. 16.

    The Other Steve

    August 11, 2007 at 12:57 pm

    That Stu Bykofsky article wishing for mass murder of Americans is getting considerable play, lot’s of people talking about it.

    Is it condemnation? Nope. The wingnutosphere is cheering it on as something that needs to happen.

    Drudge is making a big deal of it, so is Fox News.

  17. 17.

    rawshark

    August 11, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    Gold Star for Robot Boy Says:

    Here in Arizona, for a couple of weeks we had levels of airborne moisture associated more with the Gulf region.

    Might have something to do with the moist Gulf air moving into arizona. We call that the monsoon. Welcome!

    If the US were to acknowledge global warming and take the steps to curb out whatever in order to control global warming as best we could, we would introduce massive amounts of d=federal regulation of certain industries. Republicans are against federal regulation of any industry as a rule. End. Of. Story. Republicans aren’t against global warming because the science doesn’t support it, they don’t care about the science and only use it as a distraction, a diversion. Its another way of attacking the messenger so they can avoid talking about the message.

  18. 18.

    rawshark

    August 11, 2007 at 1:23 pm

    The Other Steve Says:

    That Stu Bykofsky article wishing for mass murder of Americans is getting considerable play, lot’s of people talking about it.

    Is it condemnation? Nope. The wingnutosphere is cheering it on as something that needs to happen.

    Drudge is making a big deal of it, so is Fox News.

    This from the people who won’t tell the American people how many soldiers were killed last week.

  19. 19.

    myiq2xu

    August 11, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    Every summer people from back east are shocked when they arrive in “sunny” California only to discover cold winds and overcast beaches.

    Mark Twain said the coldest winter he ever spent was the summer he spent in San Francisco. Street vendors along Fishermans Wharf make a fortune in June and July selling sweatshirts to shivering tourists.

    The reason for this is that the land heats up faster than the ocean, and the air above the land heats faster as well.

    Hot air rises, and the cooler ocean air rushes in to fill the low pressure area that is created. By late summer/early fall the ocean has warmed considerably and the beaches get much more pleasant.

    But the last few years it’s gotten so hot farther inland that cooler, moister air from the coast has been pulled all the way into the Central Valley of California, bringing lower than normal temperatures and even some precipitation. (normal rainfall here is zero from June through August.)

    Now “cooler” is a relative term. It’s been in the 90’s on a regular basis, but our hottest days were way back in June. Normally this is the hottest part of the year, and daily highs in excess of 100 are common.

    Back in the days before irrigation, air conditioners and white people, the Native Americans literally headed for the hills during the summer.

    But they didn’t have beer.

  20. 20.

    RSA

    August 11, 2007 at 2:18 pm

    That Stu Bykofsky article wishing for mass murder of Americans is getting considerable play, lot’s of people talking about it.

    My first thought was how patriotic Bykofsky must be to volunteer his home or workplace as the next Ground Zero.

    Not really–my first thought was that he’s a psychopath. On reading his column, I see that he can use phrases such as “blowing up women and children”, so terrorist attacks aren’t just an abstraction for him. When he writes,

    It will take another attack on the homeland to quell the chattering of chipmunks and to restore America’s righteous rage and singular purpose to prevail.

    I really have to question his sanity. Normal people don’t say, for example, “Americans aren’t sufficiently aware of violent crime. I’m thinking a couple of thousand murders, all at once, ‘would help America.'”

  21. 21.

    Gold Star for Robot Boy

    August 11, 2007 at 3:00 pm

    Might have something to do with the moist Gulf air moving into arizona. We call that the monsoon. Welcome!

    I’ve lived here for since 1976, so I know about the monsoon.
    What you don’t know is, I’ve talked with NWS meteorologists and they say even for the monsoon, this is wet.

  22. 22.

    Perry Como

    August 11, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    It’s getting kinda drafty here.

  23. 23.

    Ryan S.

    August 11, 2007 at 3:27 pm

    Here’s a great post on Bad Astronomy about the temperature adjustments.

  24. 24.

    ATS

    August 11, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    It was 104 three days ago here in DC. This AM it was 60, and I l slept under a blankie.

  25. 25.

    ConservativelyLiberal

    August 11, 2007 at 5:49 pm

    Hey wingnutz! Please explain the ice disappearing from the polar caps, glaciers and places like Greenland, and not being replaced the following winter. Is this some cycle that is normal, and there is no need to worry?

    On the Oregon coast, we have been cooler than normal due to the heat inland. Right now it is 67 degrees here, and it got down to 49 the other night. No global warming here wingnuts! ;)

    Anyone who has a basic understanding of chemistry, endothermic and exothermic reactions and the Laws of Thermodynamics knows that we are headed for a disaster if we don’t clean up our act. Our earth is a closed system, and if we keep crapping all over our cage then one day it is going to get too deep to save ourselves.

    When this happens, as I believe it will if we do not clean up our act, the earth will shake us off like a bad habit. Of that I have no doubt. Absolutely none.

  26. 26.

    incontrolados

    August 11, 2007 at 6:52 pm

    It’s a joke here in Houston that we have two seasons: hot and hotter. This May, June and July were comparatively cool with tons of rain. The past two weeks have been unbearably hot and we’ve had heat advisories for days with no end in sight. (Another joke is that you can usually wear shorts on Christmas, but I’m actually thinking well, it could snow like it did two years ago or be just as hot as it is today.)

    Republicans aren’t against global warming because the science doesn’t support it, they don’t care about the science and only use it as a distraction, a diversion. Its another way of attacking the messenger so they can avoid talking about the message.

    Exactly.

  27. 27.

    brock o. baum

    August 12, 2007 at 11:56 am

    and the accumulated evidence of increasing average temperatures.

    …or the lack thereof…so let’s just make it up, shall we…and then we at at least convince ourselves of yet another fake “truth”..

  28. 28.

    brock o. baum

    August 12, 2007 at 11:56 am

    and the accumulated evidence of increasing average temperatures.

    …or the lack thereof…so let’s just make it up, shall we…and then we at at least convince ourselves of yet another fake “truth”..

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