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You are here: Home / Politics / Media / Larison On Sullivan On Klein On Roger Cohen

Larison On Sullivan On Klein On Roger Cohen

by Tim F|  October 15, 20079:51 am| 10 Comments

This post is in: Media, War, Blogospheric Navel-Gazing

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Very good criticism, and not nearly as dirty as it sounds.

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  1. 1.

    rachel

    October 15, 2007 at 10:25 am

    Good, ’cause it sounds like a daisy-chain.

    Incidentally, it is astonishing that Sullivan could read Klein’s response to Cohen as proof that Klein is the apparatchik.

    OK, my tiny mind is boggled now.

  2. 2.

    Punchy

    October 15, 2007 at 10:27 am

    Can we do Jesus’ General doing commenters doing Freddy Thompson?

    I recently heard on Fox news that Thompson supports a curfew of 1 AM for all people living in areas that are reported as potential targets of terrorists. I’m not sure how I feel about this, I am scared shitless of the arabs…. but i like to go out drinking until 2 AM some nights. I guess sometimes you have to sacrifice certain things for patriotism though. What do u guys think? I’m still really up in the air on this one

    If this isn’t spoof, then…well…nevermind. This has to be spoof.

  3. 3.

    rilkefan

    October 15, 2007 at 11:06 am

    Dunno – Klein’s take on Mearsheimer/Walt is approximately “ok I finally admit the work is shoddy but it’s worthwhile for opening up discussion” which isn’t that different in form from Sullivan’s “The TNR article on Hillarycare was flawed but it provoked discussion”.

  4. 4.

    rilkefan

    October 15, 2007 at 11:16 am

    And I have seen a lot of criticism of war supporters that insistently blurred the distinction in argument of the crazies and the wrongs. That’s a bad thing per se but also because of the disservice it does to e.g. John Cole or even MY and Drum and Kleiman and [self-serving here] to liberal opponents of the Iraq war who support sane interventions when the circumstances call for them.

  5. 5.

    sashal

    October 15, 2007 at 11:47 am

    The best Larison post ever (in my opinion):

    link

  6. 6.

    sglover

    October 15, 2007 at 2:51 pm

    I’m pretty far left, but over the last year or two I’ve noticed that much (but certainly not *all*) of the sharpest commentary is coming from old school conservatives like Larison, the guy who runs the “Cunning Realist” site, Andrew Bacevich, and (when he isn’t getting the vapors over Mexicans) William Lind. Depending on your point of view, you might be able to shoehorn Jim Henley into this crowd, too.

    In fairness to my side, we still have Robert Wright, the bantamweight Robert Reich, David Kaiser, and the (unfortunately mum, lately) Kingdaddy.

    Out of all of them, I think Lind wins the originality prize with his genuflections to Kaiser Wilhelm. Not something you’re likely to run across in your standard Beltway Powerpoint spiel.

  7. 7.

    sglover

    October 15, 2007 at 2:58 pm

    Hey, thanks for that cite, sashal. Terrific essay. A real model of clarity!

  8. 8.

    Zifnab

    October 15, 2007 at 4:53 pm

    I need to sit down. This whole thing makes me dizzy.

  9. 9.

    Pooh

    October 15, 2007 at 7:13 pm

    Rilke, this has uhmmm ZERO to do with Walt & Mearsheimer. You don’t like their thesis, we get it.

  10. 10.

    rilkefan

    October 15, 2007 at 11:56 pm

    Pooh, you obviously haven’t been following the Klein/Sullivan conversation. I tend to make comments assuming readers have at least slightly acquainted themselves with the topic at hand.

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