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by Tim F|  November 21, 200711:46 am| 49 Comments

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Contest for the gnostics! Find the 10 mystical secrets hidden in this page. Calculus and/or graph theory may be required.

Everyone else talk about whatever. Or, you know, look like you’re talking about whatever.

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  1. 1.

    Paul L.

    November 21, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    The Reich wing is undermining the judiciary by “swiftboating” a former Democrat judge.

    Despite owning the land, despite living only 200 yards from the property, despite hiking past it every week with their three dogs, despite spraying for weeds and fixing fences, despite paying homeowner association dues and property taxes each year, someone else had taken a shine to it. Someone powerful.

    Former Boulder District Judge, Boulder Mayor, RTD board member – among other elected positions – Richard McLean and his wife, attorney Edith Stevens, used an arcane common law called “adverse possession” to claim the land for their own.

    All McLean needed was to develop an

    “attachment” to it.

    Undoubtedly, his city connections couldn’t have hurt, either.

  2. 2.

    jcricket

    November 21, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    Some good advice for Democrats from Glenn Greenwald

    Republicans have calculated — correctly — that Americans have greater respect for a political party that is perceived to stand steadfastly for its convictions (even when unpopular) than to be perceived as politically afraid to state what it is that it even believes.

  3. 3.

    jcricket

    November 21, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    Oh, and unlike Hillary, the more people get to know Rudy, I think the less they will like him

  4. 4.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Looks like Romney was trying to swiftboat….romney?!?

  5. 5.

    merciless

    November 21, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    Ok, how about this…

    If you add the numbers in the tag

    November 21, 2007 at 11:46 am

    2+1+2+0+0+7+1+1+4+6

    you get 24, which is 6 6 6 6 !!! Even eviler than 666!

    I saw Tim F. speakin’ with the devil!

  6. 6.

    demimondian

    November 21, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    Um, yeah, Paul. It is swiftboating when the link is dead, you know.

  7. 7.

    Jake

    November 21, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    In which sane people allow flagrant assholes to make them do crazy shit.

    I suppose I should start by saying how tragic it is that this girl took her life but if that doesn’t go without saying, fuck it. Thank God Alberto GoneZo is no longer AG or we’d be looking at a federal law about this.

    Dardenne Prairie Mayor Pam Fogarty, a mother of five, says she’s frustrated that there have been no charges. “It’s more than astounding,” she said. “It’s like, ‘Come on, guys – find something that fits.'”

    Fine Mayor Fogarty, and when your kiddies recieve a visit from the police for sending nasty-grams through the tubes we won’t snicker a little bit.

  8. 8.

    RSA

    November 21, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Find the 10 mystical secrets hidden in this page.

    Here’s my (failed) effort: Take all the text on the current page; strip out non-alphabetic characters; strip out “stop words”; count unique word occurrences; order results. Now make sense of it:

    just 17; times 15; like 15; filed 15; comments 15; john 12; president 11; things 11; bush 10; house 10; people 10; new 10; homosexuality 9; pages 9; cells 9; scott 9; iraq 9; war 9; good 9; little 9; want 9; tim 8; stem 7; dont 7; f 7; pm 7; blogs 6; mcclellan 6; ny 6; policy 6; open 6; baghdad 6; republican 6; hope 6; work 6; news 6; media 6; stupidity 6; michael 6; cole 6; know 6; page 6; press 5; vice 5; cell 5; story 5; surge 5; read 5; white 5; administration 5; support 5; vick 5; say 5; politics 5; probably 5; general 5; doesnt 5; society 5; said 5; red 5; did 5; hit 5; attention 5; foreign 5; conservapedia 4; book 4; therapy 4; hear 4; malkin 4; political 4; talk 4; goes 4; administrations 4; iraqi 4; secretary 4; rice 4; american 4; aka 4; thread 4; report 4; violence 4; troops 4; time 4; tom 4; point 4; right 4; mad 4; update 4; mtv 4; doubt 4; d 4; ive 4; great 4; im 4; flavor 4; head 4; reads 4; beer 4; getting 4; gay 3; bad 3; dean 3; cheney 3; skin 3; gene 3; science 3; ptsd 3; says 3; finally 3; yes 3; deaths 3; note 3; bias 3; bit 3; informed 3; iraqis 3; security 3; state 3; world 3; military 3; york 3; reported 3; mind 3; imperial 3; success 3; union 3; global 3; thinking 3; particularly 3; powell 3; drum 3; liberal 3; friedman 3; think 3; terror 3; lets 3; weeks 3; united 3; states 3; jail 3; human 3; watch 3; november 3; reports 3; ferguson 3; public 3; wilson 3; home 3; middle 3; content 3; day 3; beauchamp 3; play 3; promised 3; stuff 3; better 3; look 3; feel 3; site 3; way 3; million 3; lives 3; left 3; main 3; crescent 3; yesterday 3; disaster 3; daily 2; matt 2; balloon 2; juice 2; talking 2; window 2; statistics 2; viewed 2; winner 2; sell 2; wrote 2; mcclellans 2; bushcheney 2; rove 2; libby 2; scheme 2; attack 2; revealed 2; hugh 2; hewitt 2; makes 2; using 2; earthquake 2; strikes 2; kevin 2; technique 2; mark 2; patient 2; details 2; tech 2; virus 2; supporting 2; bonuses 2; serve 2; crazy 2; fit 2; print 2; wankosphere 2; captain 2; ed 2; kinda 2; piece 2; got 2; overdrive 2; thousands 2; thats 2; nytimes 2; milbloggers 2; try 2; concept 2; reporting 2; congress 2; mr 2; leaders 2; dan 2; drezner 2; managed 2; following 2; fled 2; recent 2; bds 2; blogospheric 2; navelgazing 2; huckabee 2; ad 2; insanely 2; insane 2; loud 2; important 2; necessary 2; given 2; bushs 2; outside 2; limited 2; admitted 2; problem 2; held 2; order 2; soviet 2; historical 2; study 2; hard 2; dreams 2; empire 2; making 2; count 2; central 2; worse 2; members 2; view 2; dismissed 2; colin 2; needed 2; boys 2; going 2; understand 2; let 2; bubble 2; kind 2; crime 2; syndicate 2; admin 2; drop 2; mean 2; folks 2; slight 2; hell 2; gone 2; maintenance 2; poor 2; guy 2; return 2; star 2; va 2; scheduled 2; sentenced 2; henry 2; served 2; according 2; year 2; months 2; prison 2; football 2; gets 2; yeah 2; popular 2; reid 2; moderate 2; democrats 2; years 2; old 2; district 2; gave 2; nrcc 2; faces 2; designed 2; republicans 2; bet 2; punishment 2; guys 2; translate 2; figure 2; michelle 2; act 2; wants 2; itll 2; conservatives 2; caving 2; wont 2; possible 2; sadly 2; points 2; went 2; past 2; monty 2; pythons 2; holy 2; grail 2; th 2; thing 2; wouldnt 2; vacation 2; drink 2; really 2; pretty 2; unfortunately 2; english 2; isnt 2; start 2; flat 2; terms 2; theres 2; disagree 2; bits 2; lasts 2; killed 2; week 2; clear 2; cyclone 2; winds 2; official 2; children 2; international 2; cross 2; estimated 2; compared 2; make 2; collective 2; affairs 2.

    Sorry, it’s just nonsense.

  9. 9.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 12:40 pm

    Good grief, is it just me or has PaulL sunk to a level of pathetic lame spoofalicious trolling that is so low, it is actually subterranean?

    Man, how the mighty have fallen. From “We Won, Get Over It” of 2004 to “Hey look, a former obscure nobody Democrat might have gotten a sweet land deal or something!”

    PaulL, don’t you have a Salvation Army bucket to set up somewhere this morning?

  10. 10.

    jcricket

    November 21, 2007 at 12:47 pm

    Looks like Romney was trying to swiftboat….romney?!?

    That Romney thing was just weird. And it wasn’t really swift-boating. It was more like McCain’ing (after the robocalls Rove made asserting McCain fathered a black child out of wed lock). Swiftboating requires a book, or a web site or something.

    What are Republicans gonna do when Huckabee wins Iowa? I know Rudy’s already trying to play the “Iowa and NH don’t matter” card.

  11. 11.

    jcricket

    November 21, 2007 at 12:49 pm

    PaulL, don’t you have a Salvation Army bucket to set up somewhere this morning?

    That requires empathy, selflessness and a desire to help others. Paul’s more likely to be robbing the bucket than setting it up.

  12. 12.

    Bombadil

    November 21, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    The Reich wing is undermining the judiciary by “swiftboating” a former Democrat judge.

    What does this mean?

  13. 13.

    demimondian

    November 21, 2007 at 1:01 pm

    Bombadil — unfortunately, I couldn’t follow the link, but the sentence seemed to indicate that Robert Reich and his Cabal were digging into the pecuniations of a judge who specialized in judging Democrats.

    Typical corrupt Publican, I thought. But I couldn’t find out, because the link is borked.

  14. 14.

    jcricket

    November 21, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    What does this mean?

    I think it can be translated as: “Democrats, who are all Nazis, are undermining their attempts to subvert America through the judicial process, by criticizing one of the nazis (judges) they previously supported”.

    Doesn’t make any more sense in English than it does in wingnutese.

  15. 15.

    Jen

    November 21, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    That *is* some pretty lame trolling. I couldn’t figure what the heck the point of that was — in addition to the three branches of government, control of the media, and an expansive definition of the bagel, the liberals want to adversely possess other people’s land…bwahaha…if I remember my property law right it only takes about 20 years, look out 2027!

  16. 16.

    Paul L.

    November 21, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    Hey look, a former obscure nobody Democrat might have gotten a sweet land deal or something!

    RTA. Well-connected Democrat claimed 1/3 of his neighbor’s property with the help of judges he used to work with because he had a habit of trespassing on it.

    If we take McLean at his word, he should have been treated appropriately: like a common criminal. Instead, the former judge demanded a chunk of the land for himself – and implausibly he got it.

    How did the Kirlins learn this travesty was afoot? Susie Kirlin was warned about it at a Boulder High School football game. Be cautious, her neighbor warned, someone has designs on your property.

    “I laughed when I first heard it. I really didn’t know that anyone had an emotional attachment to our land,” Kirlin tells me. “I was quite surprised. I was even more surprised that someone could claim our land. But my neighbor told me this was a well- connected person and I should take it seriously.”

    When the couple began building a fence on the land – which is within Boulder city limits, not out in the wilderness – McLean was able, according to the Kirlins, to obtain a restraining order in an exceptionally speedy 2 1/2 hours.

    Boulder District Judge Morris Sandstead, who served with McLean, issued the restraining order quite swiftly.

    Serendipity, I guess.

    All of this adds up to District Judge James Klein ordering the Kirlins to sign over about 34 percent of their 4,750-square-foot lot to McLean and his wife last month.

    But it shows your usual grasp of the facts ThymeZone

  17. 17.

    Jake

    November 21, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    Oh noes! Teh Velvet Mafiah tried to kill Jerry Falwell!

    Initiate Code Brown, Level EleventyOne!

    Then there were the calls to Liberty Baptist College in Lynchburg that same year, warning that a $10,000 reward had been offered for Falwell’s “assassination” and that it was to be carried out by “gays in Cincinnati.” One caller advised, “I know this is true, because my brother is one of them.” Said another, “I intend to be the one to collect that money.”

  18. 18.

    Bombadil

    November 21, 2007 at 1:16 pm

    And all of that has what to do with Reich or Swift-boating?

  19. 19.

    Jen

    November 21, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    I think nothing short of inserting a plank in the Republican party platform to revise by statute the doctrine of adverse possession, a known tool of extremely patient district judges in Boulder, Colorado, will suffice to quell the outrage here.

    Have you tried submitting it to Malkin? I think the War on Thanksgiving has run its course.

  20. 20.

    Bombadil

    November 21, 2007 at 1:17 pm

    And my question was addressed to PaulL, of course.

  21. 21.

    Bombadil

    November 21, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    Oh noes! Teh Velvet Mafiah tried to kill Jerry Falwell!

    Quick, better waterboard Tinkie Winkie to find out what he (?) knows!

  22. 22.

    John S.

    November 21, 2007 at 1:22 pm

    Well-connected Democrat claimed 1/3 of his neighbor’s property with the help of judges he used to work with because he had a habit of trespassing on it.

    But how does this relate to the Duke lacrosse players?

    Your game is off today, Paul.

  23. 23.

    srv

    November 21, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    All McLean needed was to develop an

    “attachment” to it.

    If he put up some toilet stalls, would that make you feel better?

  24. 24.

    Paul L.

    November 21, 2007 at 1:36 pm

    And all of that has what to do with Reich or Swift-boating?

    Just mocking progressive platitudes.
    The Reich wing = Non-progressives who progressives view as bad as Nazi’s
    undermining the judiciary = criticizing a judge’s decision that progressives agree with.
    “swiftboating” = bringing up inconvenient facts about a progressive/Democrat.

    But how does this relate to the Duke lacrosse players?

    Maybe I just do not like it when people in authority abuse their power such as this guy and his judicial colleagues and Mike Nifong.

  25. 25.

    Jen

    November 21, 2007 at 1:40 pm

    Wow, he *did* tie it to Duke Lacrosse!

    I’mona let you in on a little secret…the President of the United States is in a higher position of authority than former district court judges in Boulder, Colorado, I don’t care how many square feet of land they slowly….slowly….adversely possessed….

    It is hard to satirize these folks, yes? I don’t think I have ever satirized the right wing as well as they unintentionally satirize themselves every time they speak. And I’m *damn* witty. :)

  26. 26.

    Jake

    November 21, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    But the stem cells! Won’t someone think of the stem cells?

    Why do you hate zygotes PaulEll?

  27. 27.

    demimondian

    November 21, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    Jen — be nice to Paul. He’s…for want of a better word, he’s domesticated. And he can tie *anything* to the Duke Lacrosse players. It’s really not as surprising as all that — he’s had a lot of practice.

  28. 28.

    Jen

    November 21, 2007 at 1:51 pm

    And I bet the Duke Lacrosse players would let him!

    Nah, my heart’s not in it. I’ve already conceded defeat.

  29. 29.

    grumpy realist

    November 21, 2007 at 1:52 pm

    I’ve been following the Romney push-polling thing over at Talking Points and it looks to be a hoot.

    Can’t figure out WHO yet did the attempt at the reverse-double-axel that looks to end with at least one party spattered all over the ice.

    Pass the popcorn.

  30. 30.

    Bombadil

    November 21, 2007 at 2:00 pm

    Just mocking progressive platitudes.
    The Reich wing = Non-progressives who progressives view as bad as Nazi’s
    undermining the judiciary = criticizing a judge’s decision that progressives agree with.
    “swiftboating” = bringing up inconvenient facts about a progressive/Democrat.

    You really do live in your own private Idaho, don’t you?

  31. 31.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    Maybe I just do not like

    Thanks, Paul. Many of us are keeping a list of things you like and don’t like, and this helps us keep the lists up to date.

  32. 32.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 3:34 pm

    There are no words to describe this…just wow…

  33. 33.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 3:38 pm

    There are no words to describe this…just wow…

    It’s a well established fact that tapping your foot on a banana peel is a signal for sex with an orangutan.

  34. 34.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 3:45 pm

    ThymeZone Says:

    There are no words to describe this…just wow…

    It’s a well established fact that tapping your foot on a banana peel is a signal for sex with an orangutan.

    I was trying so hard to think of a way to work this into the entire narrative…thank you TZ, that helped a lot. I also owe you a beer when I get out to Phoenix (well permanently, am leaving for there tonight).

  35. 35.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    I was trying so hard to think of a way to work this into the entire narrative…thank you TZ, that helped a lot. I also owe you a beer when I get out to Phoenix (well permanently, am leaving for there tonight).

    You are welcome. Sooner or later, every story dovetails into every other story, I think.

    Well, if your mind is twisted like mine is.

    Anyway, enjoy your stay in Arizona this weekend. It should be cooling off, we have had a warm November so far.

    It’s not global warming … according to our legislature, it’s the heat of hades, brought closer by the fact that we have a gay governor. Just a little warming shot across the bow, if you will.

  36. 36.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 3:57 pm

    Dreggas Says:

    ThymeZone Says:

    There are no words to describe this…just wow…

    It’s a well established fact that tapping your foot on a banana peel is a signal for sex with an orangutan.

    I was trying so hard to think of a way to work this into the entire narrative…thank you TZ, that helped a lot. I also owe you a beer when I get out to Phoenix (well permanently, am leaving for there tonight).

    Actually strike that…new question for the Republican Presidential candidates…

    “How many orangutans would you shave and have sex with to prevent a terrorist attack?”

  37. 37.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    ThymeZone Says:

    Anyway, enjoy your stay in Arizona this weekend. It should be cooling off, we have had a warm November so far.

    It’s not global warming … according to our legislature, it’s the heat of hades, brought closer by the fact that we have a gay governor. Just a little warming shot across the bow, if you will.

    See this is why I plan to move there. You need all the help they can get…

    So far I really have like what I have seen of Phoenix, still haven’t ventured far beyond there but looking forward to getting out and seeing more of the state.

  38. 38.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 4:00 pm

    “How many orangutans would you shave and have sex with to prevent a terrorist attack?”

    I think the average answer would be three, as long as they were same-sex orangutans.

  39. 39.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    How many orangutans would you shave and have sex with

    Are you sure orangutans care whether I shave?

    I don’t really know that much about orangutan etiquette.

  40. 40.

    Ryan S.

    November 21, 2007 at 4:20 pm

    The madam refused to give up the animal because everyone loved Pony

    They named it Pony… Somewhere a little girl is crying.
    Are you sure you want a Pony for Christmas.
    Gives a whole new meaning to, “Wanna ride my pony?”

    ok, I’m done.

  41. 41.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 4:34 pm

    Ryan S. Says:

    They named it Pony… Somewhere a little girl is crying.
    Are you sure you want a Pony for Christmas.
    Gives a whole new meaning to, “Wanna ride my pony?”

    ok, I’m done.

    Talk about getting a piece of “Horses ass”.

    Of course the whole turning around, bending over, and gyrating suddenly puts that damn song “My Humps” in my head and makes me want to both scream and laugh at the same time.

  42. 42.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 5:09 pm

    ThymeZone Says:

    Are you sure orangutans care whether I shave?

    I don’t really know that much about orangutan etiquette.

    I don’t know TZ, but the question was how many you would shave, and have sex with not whether or not you would shave. This does make me wonder whether you have considered it…LOL.

  43. 43.

    Ryan S.

    November 21, 2007 at 5:29 pm

    This does make me wonder whether you have considered it…LOL.

    Something tells me that Orangutan sex isn’t something you plan it just sort of happens. Like you’re walking through the rain forest one day and one climbs down, and shakes her ‘humps’ and your like “why not”.
    Or, your walking through Jakarta one fine spring day, and some guy comes up to you and says, “Orangutan love you long time, two dollar”. And your like, “sounds dangerous, only two dollars?, I’m game”.

    Wow, I think a part of my soul just died….

  44. 44.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 5:36 pm

    Ryan S. Says:

    Something tells me that Orangutan sex isn’t something you plan it just sort of happens. Like you’re walking through the rain forest one day and one climbs down, and shakes her ‘humps’ and your like “why not”.
    Or, your walking through Jakarta one fine spring day, and some guy comes up to you and says, “Orangutan love you long time, two dollar”. And your like, “sounds dangerous, only two dollars?, I’m game”.

    Wow, I think a part of my soul just died….

    or you are sitting in a bathroom stall tapping your foot one day…

  45. 45.

    ThymeZone

    November 21, 2007 at 5:51 pm

    Or, your walking through Jakarta one fine spring day, and some guy comes up to you and says, “Orangutan love you long time, two dollar”. And your like, “sounds dangerous, only two dollars?, I’m game”.

    Wow, I think a part of my soul just died….

    I know. Only two dollars?

  46. 46.

    Dreggas

    November 21, 2007 at 6:43 pm

    ThymeZone Says:

    Or, your walking through Jakarta one fine spring day, and some guy comes up to you and says, “Orangutan love you long time, two dollar”. And your like, “sounds dangerous, only two dollars?, I’m game”.

    Wow, I think a part of my soul just died….

    I know. Only two dollars?

    Really cheap monkey business if you ask me…

  47. 47.

    Ryan S.

    November 21, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    I know. Only two dollars?

    There’s a good survey question, “How much would you pay for third world animal sex?”

    Also what kind of protection should you use for that kind of thing, I mean seriously, hookers in a “developing country” aren’t dangerous enough. What brand do you use for a well used, shaved orangutan with possible venereal disease? That is possibly the most disturbing thing I can think of, other than Giuliani as president.

  48. 48.

    jake

    November 21, 2007 at 8:45 pm

    There are no words to describe this…just wow…

    In an ideal world…well shit like this wouldn’t happen. But in a slightly less than ideal but still much nicer than this one world, the orang would have ripped a john’s head off.

  49. 49.

    jcricket

    November 21, 2007 at 10:32 pm

    Yeah, that’s just wrong ™, but unsurprising. Isn’t everyone here old enough to remember the donkey in the Tom Hanks classic “Bachelor Party”?

    It wasn’t there for the LULZ.

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