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Happy You’re Welcoming Day! Open Thread

by Michael D.|  November 23, 20077:32 am| 32 Comments

This post is in: Site Maintenance, The War on Your Neighbor, aka the War on Drugs

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Did you know pot smokers are remarkably well adjusted? I would tend to concur with the commenter here: “I think it’s because pot smoking teaches kids to slow down and take stock of what’s really important in life: sandwiches.”

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  1. 1.

    paradox

    November 23, 2007 at 8:33 am

    Read this sentence carefuly:

    And that’s where the Drug Czar gets into trouble. ONDCP regularly uses such correlations to frighten parents about marijuana in an utterly dishonest way.

    The word czar, a brutal semi-feudal monarch. A goobledy-gook acronym that would fit in any Orwell work. Frighten: all these disgusting sumbitches know is to try and frighten people, it’s seriously pissing me off. Utterly dishonest: total fucking liars, in other words.

    We can be so, so much better than this….so easily! Jesus, this is our government, it is not meant to be run by repressive lying knuckledraggers, and one day this insanity will stop.

  2. 2.

    jake

    November 23, 2007 at 8:52 am

    But remember, if you’ve done nothing wrong, you shouldn’t care if the narcs are tracking your cell phone.

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    RSA

    November 23, 2007 at 9:16 am

    The word czar, a brutal semi-feudal monarch.

    Back in the ’80s we used to call the Drug Czar the Drug Emperor. A much better image.

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    Demdude

    November 23, 2007 at 9:34 am

    Everyone always neglects talking about the real danger of wide spread Pot usage. All those pizza delivery cars on the road!

  5. 5.

    Krista

    November 23, 2007 at 10:47 am

    I would tend to concur with the commenter here: “I think it’s because pot smoking teaches kids to slow down and take stock of what’s really important in life: sandwiches Swiss Chalet quarter-chicken dinner.”

    Fixed for preference.

  6. 6.

    BIRDZILLA

    November 23, 2007 at 11:08 am

    SEE ME IM BIRDZILLA IM REAL REAL BIG IM SITTING ON A POWER POLE AND I STAND 8 FEET TALL MY WING SPAN IS 15 TO 25 FEET AND I DIDNT MEAN TO SCARE THAT KID I DROPPED HIM AND I WOULD RATHER EATS TREE SITTERS SQUAWK SQUAWK

  7. 7.

    Conservatively Liberal

    November 23, 2007 at 11:26 am

    Hmmm, I must not be well adjusted because Oreos are really important to me. Well, better torch up another bowl of attitude adjustment.

    Nope, not working. Oreos are even more important to me now! Damn you Scott Beauchamp!

    Regarding cell phone tracking, mine sits in its cradle almost all of the time. When I do take it with me, I turn it off. If I ever find out that they have a model that keeps on sending a signal when it is turned off, then I will pull the battery and antenna after each use…lol!

    Take that you freedom loving prosecutors!

  8. 8.

    Shinobi

    November 23, 2007 at 11:29 am

    Maaaan, sandwiches are AMAZING!!

    I mean. uhhh…. I really appreciate how that article was clear on correlation and what it means, as well as what it doesn’t mean. It fills my cold statistician’s heart with a warm light.

  9. 9.

    Catsy

    November 23, 2007 at 11:53 am

    Huh. So that’s how I got a high-paying IT job.

    On a more serious note, I have never known a single child who takes the government’s oh-noes-drugz fearmongering with anything other than a mountain of salt. At best they’re skeptical but go along with it by rote, not belief. Many feel deliberately deceived and manipulated, and experiment either to find out the truth for themselves or to pointedly rebel. And when they learn firsthand that marijuana is fun and far less debilitating and harmful than cigarettes or alcohol, it erodes the credibility of both the law and the government in their eyes, setting the tone for the rest of their life.

  10. 10.

    capelza

    November 23, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    BIRDZILLA is my favourite poster..and I don’t even smoke pot. I do have fond memories of big bars of hashish though…did I say that outloud?

  11. 11.

    WMass

    November 23, 2007 at 12:05 pm

    All the government lies about pot accomplish is to fill people with contempt for their government, which cannot be a good thing.

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    r€nato

    November 23, 2007 at 12:19 pm

    On a more serious note, I have never known a single child who takes the government’s oh-noes-drugz fearmongering with anything other than a mountain of salt. At best they’re skeptical but go along with it by rote, not belief.

    it teaches kids how to get by in the adult world by telling authority what it wants to hear while believing something else.

    Which, come to think of it, maybe that’s not such a bad thing after all…

  13. 13.

    r€nato

    November 23, 2007 at 12:22 pm

    And when they learn firsthand that marijuana is fun and far less debilitating and harmful than cigarettes or alcohol, it erodes the credibility of both the law and the government in their eyes, setting the tone for the rest of their life.

    Imagine the effect when authority tells kids that coke and heroin and meth are bad too.

    “Well, shit, they told me how bad pot was and I tried it and it’s not that bad at all… they’re probably lying to me about the other stuff too!”

  14. 14.

    r€nato

    November 23, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    Can anyone even tell us why marijuana is illegal? What’s so horrible about it? Thousands die every year from drunk driving and alcohol abuse. No one ever dies from using marijuana. You can drink yourself to death but it’s impossible to smoke yourself to death. Alcohol abuse is strongly associated with domestic abuse; if there’s any link at all between marijuana and domestic abuse (I doubt that there is), it has to be very weak.

    It’s this mindless subjugation to authority which bothers me the most. We should always be questioning the basis for laws which have no practical reasoning behind them, whether it’s laws about marijuana or whether it’s laws about what two consenting adults can do in the bedroom with their bodies.

  15. 15.

    Robert

    November 23, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    Teens way of thinking:

    So if the pot is not as bad for us as the government says it is, I wonder about the heroin and crack.

  16. 16.

    capelza

    November 23, 2007 at 12:35 pm

    Robert…when I was a kid, we were told that smoking pot would cause one to grow a thrid nipple amongst other things and that LSD would create a generation of mutant babies..I kid you not.

    It’s the same when a crusader goes over the line and says a half hour od second smoke is as damaging as someone who smokes for a lifetime (even my violently anti-smoking anti-drug kid called bullshit on that..or when MADD or whoever says that getting blind stinking drunk is the mark of an alcoholic…even if it is at a party where pretty much everyone is getting blind stinking drunk. I guess one persons party is another’s binge drinking/obvious sign of alcoholism.

    Kids hear this stuff for the bullshit it is and then doubt anything they are told.

    I’ve run into it when I tell kids that meth is bad, bad, bad…because they’ve been told that if you snort meth or whatever you do with crack, etc..that you will be instantly addicted and they know that isn’t true.

    Common sense please. As regards to meth, I simply explain what goes into making it and anything that requires a hazmat team to clean up the site is not something you want to put in your body. Not the scary BOO! stuff.

  17. 17.

    jake

    November 23, 2007 at 12:37 pm

    Can anyone even tell us why marijuana is illegal? What’s so horrible about it?

    For the same reason drugs like coke and opium stopped being respectable. Pot use was tied to Mexicans going on rape rampages. Similarly, coke was tied to African-Americans going on rape rampages and everybody knew that every Chinese laundry was a front for opium dens/white slavery.

  18. 18.

    AkaDad

    November 23, 2007 at 12:46 pm

    In high school, pot helped me understand how to run a small business.

  19. 19.

    capelza

    November 23, 2007 at 12:59 pm

    AkaDad Says:
    In high school, pot helped me understand how to run a small business.

    Did it involve understanding the multi-purpose aspects of the little cellophane sandwich baggie?

  20. 20.

    emald

    November 23, 2007 at 1:09 pm

    I’ve smoked for thirty five years and found nothing but good from it, other than the obtaining process, which is fraught with danger and criminality, and led me to a better understanding of gardening. By admission of my doctors, all of whom are aware of my usage, it’s worked better than their prescribed big med pills at reducing depression for me, and, hell it’s kinda fun, something that lithium just isn’t. Why the hell do I have to be afraid of my government for this? Because of some black and white prejudice influencing law making a hundred years ago? WTF? And maybe I’m afraid of my government because of the big business of putting otherwise law abiding citizens in profit inducing jails for crimes involving a weed. Disgusting and evil people run this government, human beings in name only who’s only function in life is to increase the profit. Check out the stats on how many folks are in prison for crimes involving only pot, how that has increased along with the increase of for profit prison systems. Fucking disgusting.
    Sorry, had to rant about this a bit.

  21. 21.

    demimondian

    November 23, 2007 at 1:15 pm

    Heroin is not much more addictive than the high category pain killers available on the market now; in my opinion, in fact, it should be scheduled as morphine is. I’m damned if I understand why it isn’t, in fact, since it’s a very effective pain killer for people who, for one reason or another, have wasted away, due to its water solubility.

    I don’t think it’s some kind of big pharma conspiracy, by the way; the big pharmaceutical companies would make boatloads of bucks finding better packaging and delivery systems if heroin were legal. Same thing is true for marijuana for nausea relief, BTW — cold nebulized inhalation would far more effective than smoked ganja, and would still be quite profitable.

    I think it’s an all-too-human unwillingness to look like an idiot. Stepping back from the war on your neighbor would require a lot of “uh, yeah, well, we…uh…were wrong. Really wrong.” on the part of a lot of powerful people.

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    capelza

    November 23, 2007 at 1:27 pm

    demi…I agree. I also think they may be an element that doesn’t want to be seen as “regressing”..a better word is out there I am sure. But science, to many is a march forward away from the ignorance of folk medicine, etc.

    Morphine is “science”, opium is not. Various drugs arrived at through chemistry that might try to ape the benefits of pot are more acceptable because they were created in a lab.

    I see this at libertarian blogs a lot. An automatic knee jerk response to anything that is considered “herbal” (see hippie). Of course, bless their hearts, they feel all drugs should be legalised, but they still place their faith solely in modern chemistry to a large extent…

    It’s the hi-tech/low tech thing.

    But the majore reason is that drugs are seen as fun, they do cause damage to some people (as do legal things like tobacco, alcohol, sports, food, etc), but mostly it’s about the fun factor and the need to nip THAT right in the bud.

  23. 23.

    AkaDad

    November 23, 2007 at 2:37 pm

    capelza

    Definitely.

    The going rate at the time was 2 bucks a joint. I gained a larger market share by offering a discount, selling them at 3 for 5 bucks. I’m a Capitalist hippy.

  24. 24.

    Psycheout

    November 23, 2007 at 8:23 pm

    People drink or smoke for a variety of reasons, but people who smoke pot do it only to get blotto.

  25. 25.

    demimondian

    November 23, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    AkaDad, you should be ashamed of yourself. Think of all those aspiring young small business people who had solid franchises distributing herbal merchandise who you put out of business with your cold-hearted calculating amortization of capital expenses over a larger market.

    I’ll bet you didn’t provide health insurance for your employees, either.

  26. 26.

    taoless

    November 23, 2007 at 9:07 pm

    i thought the accepted conspiracy theory on why marijuana was criminalized was that the duponts were behind it, because they wanted to replace the hemp that rope had been made from for most of history with new synthetic fibers that they were producing. can’t remember his name offhand, but the head of the national bureau of narcotics at the time was supposedly heavily invested in the dupont chemical company.
    i used to know all the details, but i’ve forgotten them for some reason…

  27. 27.

    taoless

    November 23, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    harry anslinger. that was his name. just looked him up on wikipedia. guess the old neuron-chains are still firing after all.

  28. 28.

    robertognome

    November 24, 2007 at 1:35 am

    cannabliss……..mmmmmmmmmm

  29. 29.

    The Sanity Inspector

    November 24, 2007 at 11:23 am

    “Remarkably well-adjusted” to what?

  30. 30.

    canuckistani

    November 24, 2007 at 3:18 pm

    People drink or smoke for a variety of reasons, but people who smoke pot do it only to get blotto.

    My wife took synthisized THC to counteract her chemotherapy side effects. If she hadn’t had asthma, she’d have been a fine candidate for medical marijuana. But of course, that’s up here in Canada, where pot is openly tolerated by the cops.

  31. 31.

    YellowJournalism

    November 25, 2007 at 12:50 am

    I don’t like sandwiches, personally, but I support the right of others to enjoy the occasional sandwich.

  32. 32.

    just sayin

    November 26, 2007 at 4:08 pm

    “Remarkably well-adjusted” to what?

    It’s hard to hold to hold a grudge when you can’t remember what the SOB did to you, so they have that going for them.

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