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The Bali meeting approved a “roadmap” for two years of talks to adopt a new treaty to succeed Kyoto beyond 2012, widening it to the United States and developing nations such as China and India. Under the deal, a successor pact will be agreed at a meeting in Copenhagen in late 2009.

The deal after two weeks of talks came when the United States dramatically dropped opposition to a proposal by the main developing-nation bloc, the G77, for rich nations to do more to help the developing world fight rising greenhouse emissions.

My feeling is that this comes as a result of one of two things:

1. Europe threatening to pull out of talks with the US on climate change
2. Somebody bound & gagged Bush in his office and told him to shut the fuck up

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  2. 2.

    Media Glutton

    Yesterday on the BBC the anchors were saying that this deal actually was significantly weakened — with no actual numbers of emission reductions targets — so they were saying the U.S. got their way in the end, not the world community. Sounds about right, but it’s nice the U.S. signed on to SOME g-d environmental treaty. I wonder if the Repub candidates will agree that global warming is “unequivocal”?

  6. 6.

    Mike The Actuary

    My feeling is that this comes as a result of one of two things:

    1. Europe threatening to pull out of talks with the US on climate change
    2. Somebody bound & gagged Bush in his office and told him to shut the fuck up

    Or:

    3. It dawned on U.S. representatives in Bali that anything that happens there is moot, because the U.S. (as it is currently run) will probably ignore it anyway.

  8. 8.

    Thom

    Scott Paul at The Washington Note y’day:

    This year is different. When the Americans flatly rejected any mention of a new set of targets, the EU promised to boycott the U.S.-hosted major emitters climate summit, which is at best a complement and at worst a distraction to the UNFCCC process.

  9. 9.

    Richard Bottoms

    Somebody bound & gagged Bush in his office and told him to shut the fuck up

    Amazing to watch such disdain for someone whom I gather you were at one time pleased was elected to that same office.

    Twice.

  10. 10.

    Kit Smith

    Yeah, I can see why they agreed to it. With the provisions that would have made any difference stripped from the treaty where they would mean something and put in the footnotes to the preamble of the treaty as “suggestions,” it’s a treaty that doesn’t state that we’re going to change anything. This keeps future climate change conferences off the table for a good 3-6 years, during which the Republicans can potentially put up a fight in the Senate and block actually ratifying the treaty that might mean anything. Politics as usual.

  11. 11.

    JoyceH

    Or 3) – neither Bush nor Cheney give a rat’s patooty about what’s going to happen in late 2009, because it will be someone else’s problem.

  12. 12.

    Zifnab

    Amazing to watch such disdain for someone whom I gather you were at one time pleased was elected to that same office.

    Twice.

    He voted straight ticket Dem (even Robert Byrd for Christ’s sake) this time last year, so you can drop it already.

    Or 3) – neither Bush nor Cheney give a rat’s patooty about what’s going to happen in late 2009, because it will be someone else’s problem.

    I was going to go with a similar iteration – 4) the global community has agreed to start verbally agreeing with each other in public since nothing in this conference is exactly set in stone to begin with and it gives all the delegates a chance to go home and say they did something productive.

  13. 13.

    J sub D

    I, for one, am overjoyed that the Anthropomorphic Global Warming disaster has been successfully averted. Can we get back to World Cup soccor now?

  15. 15.

    MNPundit

    What I don’t get is why they don’t just say “fuck you” to us, sign their agreements without us, and then embargo the living shit out of us when they are all running on sustainable energy?

  17. 17.

    Jake

    Or

    4) The Pretzledent has been itching for an excuse to play I Declare War again and Indonesia is “It.”

    Or (Since Larry Craig went out there).

    5) Someone threatened to start releasing video.

  18. 18.

    TenguPhule

    2. Somebody bound & gagged Bush in his office and told him to shut the fuck up

    Or as Condi Rice calls it, Foreplay.

  19. 19.

    Zifnab

    earth to Zif: JC is not the post’s author

    Gah, whatever. Then he’s Canadian and he never voted for Bush once. Either way Bottoms is way off the mark.

  20. 20.

    BIRDZILLA

    More ways the demacrats can lay more taxes on us they will find a way and throught the terribly corupt UN and of course the most sinister man in america AL GORE and his world wide carbon tax which americans will pay 90% of it WHEN SEEN CAN WE IMPEACH EVERY DAMN ONE OF THESE CROOKS AND GET OURSELVES OUT OF THE GOOD FOR NOTHING UN AND ITS BAND OF CRINIMALS?

  21. 21.

    Jon H

    “neither Bush nor Cheney give a rat’s patooty about what’s going to happen in late 2009, because it will be someone else’s problem.”

    I figure someone woke up to the fact that, in this case, the usual mindless obstructionism was counterproductive (as far as Bush is concerned, anyway – they don’t give a crap about anything being counterproductive against national or global interest) when they could agree to a long series of talks that pushes anything substantive well into the next administration, so nothing actually changes on Bush’s watch but Bush gets a news cycle win (which are so rare for him) and might actually distract attention from the CIA’s obstruction of justice.

  22. 22.

    Richard Bottoms

    Gah, whatever. Then he’s Canadian and he never voted for Bush once. Either way Bottoms is way off the mark.

    And where exactly did I say he voted for him?

    Sheethead.

  23. 23.

    Pb

    I actually saw a secret memo from deep within the Moonbat network about what really happened:

    The TRUE breakthrough, as witnessed by me, happened a few hours earlier when China and India confronted Conference organisers with threats that they were going to walk out of the talks. They had just discovered that their Indonesian hosts were rushing through the final ‘decision-making’ meeting while closed-door talks were still going on with developing nations at another venue! China and India angrily accused the organisers of manipulating the conference processes and demanded that the plenary (decision-making) session be delayed until talks with the developing nations were completed. When this news was revealed several shocked delegates rushed out of the meeting, presumably to find out why they were being asked to make a final decision while crucial talks were still in session elsewhere.

    I’m just letting you know so it can go unnoticed here for years until someone writes about what really happened, and then people find this as proof. Sort of like a blog post obscurity time capsule device.

  24. 24.

    LongHairedWeirdo

    Here’s something to consider.

    Bush, ca. 2010: “But I did act on global warming! See? In 2008 – when *I* was in office – I had a plan created to combat global warming! I can’t help it if my successor screwed it up.”

    1) He gets to stay friends with all his buddies in the fossil fuel business,
    2) he gets to claim he took decider-level leaderlike action, and
    3) be doesn’t have to accomplish anything.

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