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Monday Open Thread

by John Cole|  December 17, 200710:43 am| 75 Comments

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Grades are done, the Steelers suck, WVU needs a new coach.

You need an open thread. Here it is.

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  1. 1.

    Dug Jay

    December 17, 2007 at 10:46 am

    Understand that Michael Vick was offered the coaching job as soon as he becomes available.

  2. 2.

    Jen

    December 17, 2007 at 10:48 am

    We have been insulted by Rusty Shakleford, which is kind of like being assaulted with, well, I guess a Cheeto.

    Jesus H. Mary & Joseph some of you are idiots. I’m guessing mostly John Cole’s readers.

  3. 3.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 10:49 am

    Thank God the Steelers still have Steely McBeam, other wise this season would have been a total loss.

  4. 4.

    Jen

    December 17, 2007 at 10:49 am

    BTW, for a right-winger, he sure hasn’t mastered that Second Commandment, has he?

  5. 5.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 10:58 am

    BTW, for a right-winger, he sure hasn’t mastered that Second Commandment, has he?

    Is that the one about the right to keep and bear arms? Or is it the right to keep bears armed? Keep arms bare? I get confused.

  6. 6.

    TheFountainHead

    December 17, 2007 at 11:01 am

    Today is a slow news day. Can one of the candidates say something truly idiotic so I can get on with my daily dose of angst?

  7. 7.

    Jake

    December 17, 2007 at 11:03 am

    BTW, for a right-winger, he sure hasn’t mastered that Second Commandment, has he?

    Thou shalt not drool upon thy keyboard.

  8. 8.

    Zifnab

    December 17, 2007 at 11:07 am

    BTW, for a right-winger, he sure hasn’t mastered that Second Commandment, has he?

    Thou shalt not miss another episode of American Idol?

  9. 9.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:07 am

    Can one of the candidates say something truly idiotic so I can get on with my daily dose of angst?

    Joe Loserman endorsed McCain. I guess Hillary’s strategy of kissing Droopy’s wrinkled ass didn’t pay off.

  10. 10.

    4tehlulz

    December 17, 2007 at 11:10 am

    Joe Loserman endorsed McCain.

    Does this mean that McCain can now hope for a three-way tie for third?

  11. 11.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:19 am

    Loserman should have gone with Mike instead of John. Then we could have the Huckleberry Hound and Droopy Dog ticket.

  12. 12.

    John Cole

    December 17, 2007 at 11:21 am

    We have been insulted by Rusty Shakleford, which is kind of like being assaulted with, well, I guess a Cheeto.

    What happened now?

  13. 13.

    Jen

    December 17, 2007 at 11:25 am

    Evidently some people took umbrage at his categorization of the Jamie Leigh Jones story, which was essentially that it couldn’t have happened because it was just too out of central casting.

  14. 14.

    jcricket

    December 17, 2007 at 11:27 am

    Haha – Republicans realize that getting the votes of idiots by being idiots not a good long-term strategy:

    Many of us on the conservative side have fed this monster. (Rightly) aghast at the abuse of expertise by liberal judges, liberal bureaucrats and liberal academics, we have sometimes over-reacted by denying the importance of expertise altogether.

    ….So now instead of holes in our souls, we conservatives are getting candidates with holes in their heads.

    Here’s the lesson to learn: It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters. But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.

    Hoist, meet petard. Petard, hoist.

  15. 15.

    TheFountainHead

    December 17, 2007 at 11:27 am

    I really can’t decide whether that particular endorsement helps McCain at all. I mean, everyone knows Joe is crazy, right?

  16. 16.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:30 am

    I nominate Rusty for Wanker of the Week.

  17. 17.

    John Cole

    December 17, 2007 at 11:30 am

    Evidently some people took umbrage at his categorization of the Jamie Leigh Jones story, which was essentially that it couldn’t have happened because it was just too out of central casting.

    Wasn’t that like two weeks ago?

  18. 18.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:32 am

    I really can’t decide whether that particular endorsement helps McCain at all. I mean, everyone knows Joe is crazy, right?

    McCain ain’t eggzactly famous for his firm grip on sanity either.

  19. 19.

    Jen

    December 17, 2007 at 11:34 am

    The “update” was the 12th, okay, but I don’t do internet on the weekends, and anyway, I thought you said it was an open thread, and I just thought it was funny, okay.
    Man.
    Making me all defensive. I don’t like to go to lunch defensive.

  20. 20.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:34 am

    Wasn’t that like two weeks ago?

    Yeah, that was so two weeks ago!

  21. 21.

    Wilfred

    December 17, 2007 at 11:35 am

    I really can’t decide whether that particular endorsement helps McCain at all. I mean, everyone knows Joe is crazy, right?

    Lieberman’s endorsement is the Voice of Aipac; it matters heaps. McCain hasn’t pulled back from his Bomb Iran rhetoric, despite the NIE, against which the pushback has already started.

  22. 22.

    TheFountainHead

    December 17, 2007 at 11:39 am

    Lieberman’s endorsement is the Voice of Aipac; it matters heaps. McCain hasn’t pulled back from his Bomb Iran rhetoric, despite the NIE, against which the pushback has already started.

    Hadn’t considered that. I guess it’s hard for me to fathom a former Democrat from CT turned Independent is actually helping McCain with the far right. Guess I forgot to eat my Loopios this morning.

  23. 23.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:41 am

    Lieberman’s endorsement is the Voice of Aipac

    The voice of AIPAC sounds just like a whiny bitch.

  24. 24.

    Doug H.

    December 17, 2007 at 11:43 am

    As someone noted elsewhere:

    – The Browns win out
    – The Titans win out
    – The Steelers lose one of the next two

    Browns win the division, Titans win the wild card, and the Steelers are out of the playoffs.

    I’m not saying its likely, I think the Browns are a lock for 10-6 with the Bungles playing spoiler next Sunday. You still might want to start stocking up on more liquor, John. Just in case.

  25. 25.

    myiq2xu

    December 17, 2007 at 11:45 am

    Jeez, according to Wingnuttia, Huckleberry’s sociopath kid is innocent, Jamie Leigh Jones is a liar, and the NIE is wrong.

    Damn you Scott Beauchamp!

    (Sorry, I just had to say that one more time)

  26. 26.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 11:48 am

    Lieberman’s endorsement is the Voice of Aipac; it matters heaps

    But NH isn’t very Jewish. I can’t get a solid figure, but it’s

  27. 27.

    4tehlulz

    December 17, 2007 at 11:49 am

    I guess it’s hard for me to fathom a former Democrat from CT turned Independent is actually helping McCain with the far right.

    As useful as he is on the war to the far right, in the end, he’s still a gay-luvin baby-killin Dem.

    Kiss-o-death to McCain.

    BTW, Rudy appears to be finished.

  28. 28.

    Jen

    December 17, 2007 at 11:54 am

    BTW, Rudy appears to be finished.

    You show-offs, with your current links. I liked the comment about calling it “Rudimentum”. If it were possible for all of these guys to lose the primary, they would.

    Still could use a hug.

  29. 29.

    Psycheout

    December 17, 2007 at 11:57 am

    Ha ha, Mittens got pwned. Those poor sad little Rombots. :-(

  30. 30.

    TR

    December 17, 2007 at 12:00 pm

    Sadly No has a sneak peek at the table of contents and book jacket for Jonah Goldberg’s new laugh riot.

    If he were any dumber, he’d forget how to breathe.

  31. 31.

    Jake

    December 17, 2007 at 12:01 pm

    Many of us on the conservative side have fed this monster. (Rightly) aghast at the abuse of expertise by liberal judges, liberal bureaucrats and liberal academics, we have sometimes over-reacted by denying the importance of expertise altogether.
    …
    Here’s the lesson to learn: … politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.

    Oh look, an exerpt from: Why the 21st Century GOP is Doomed to Fail.

    Many of the so-called “liberals” in the government were appointed by Republican presidents and/or Republicans themselves. Hence the term “Activist Judges” because these dipshits were just smart enough to realize that calling a Republican judge Liberal was stupid. It isn’t that they object to the messenger as much they object to the message but if the messenger could be linked in any way with the Evile Libruls, so much the better. And remember their cries of outrage when experts in government agencies were replaced by no-nothing synchophants who were hired for their ability to mouth the party line?

    Yeah.

    So now that the Bush Admin. has purged people who know what the fuck they’re talking about, the question becomes what will be different when one of “their” experts gives an opinion or ruling that they don’t like?

    Answer: It ain’t gonna happen. The next president is going to be a Democrat and that person will spend a lot of time with a mop and bucket cleaning up the mess Bush left behind. That includes restocking the various Administrations he’s trashed. Any opinion by those experts will automatically be tainted by “liberulness,” and so can be shouted down as being the wrong sort of expert opinion. They’ll scream until they’re blue in the face and in another four or eight years they’ll elect another know-nothing who surrounds himself with know-nothings and four or eight years after that, it will be back to head scratching and saying “Gee, this doesn’t work.”

    Lessons Learned: Don’t learn nuthin’.

  32. 32.

    Wilfred

    December 17, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    Kiss-o-death to McCain.

    I don’t think so. By the time of the general election, the only thing left for the republicans will be a full-court demagogic press against Iran.

    The only thing that unites the Republicans is the War on Brown People, it’s the only thing that they all agree on. Lieberman – the Cuntious of America – gives cover to bed-wetting Democrats who hate everything else about McCain but who still have to think of their children.

  33. 33.

    Doug H.

    December 17, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    OK, here’s a good thought for the day:

    RichRod now has to face the Sweatervest once a year.

  34. 34.

    Psycheout

    December 17, 2007 at 12:03 pm

    Kiss-o-death to McCain.

    Hey, that’s my line!

    For those allergic to my links, I don’t think the Sore Loserman endorsement helps McCain – nobody respects a turncoat.

  35. 35.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 12:07 pm

    Lieberman’s endorsement is the Voice of Aipac; it matters heaps

    But NH isn’t very Jewish. I can’t get a solid figure, but it’s

    something…? I had an argument, but apparently I decided to sell it on craigslist for cheap sex…

    it’s less than 1%, against the national 2%.

  36. 36.

    Wilfred

    December 17, 2007 at 12:08 pm

    nobody respects a turncoat.

    Bullshit. At Redstate they’ve had their lips stuck to his ass ever since he was ‘born again’.

  37. 37.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 12:09 pm

    I don’t think the Sore Loserman endorsement helps McCain – nobody respects a turncoat.

    If you’re saying Lieberman is a turncoat, there are worse names for self-important, prejudiced pricks.

    If you’re saying McCain is a turncoat, you have a dim view of Americans with American principles, as disagreeable you may find them.

  38. 38.

    D-Chance.

    December 17, 2007 at 12:10 pm

    Hucking-up led to several newspaper endorsements for… John McCain.

    This is why it’s so much fun to watch the daily drivel. Everyone’s got the microscope out, but no one sees the picture.

  39. 39.

    Psycheout

    December 17, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Liberman’s the turncoat. Clearly. If you read the objective analysis that I linked, you’d understand that.

    Red State and other conservatives may praise Lieberman for being a war hawk, but they wouldn’t invite him to a party. I repeat – nobody respects a turncoat.

  40. 40.

    Jake

    December 17, 2007 at 12:20 pm

    Sadly No has a sneak peek at the table of contents and book jacket for Jonah Goldberg’s new laugh riot.

    Wow. According to Jonah the Pathetic Attention Whore, we’re all fascists now. Guess that means I can give low-voltage crap sacks a kick in the junk and not face legal repercussions.

    I wonder what he’ll do for his next act; claiming that W.E.B. DuBois, FDR and every single professor at Ivy League colleges* was or is a fascist will be sort of hard to top. Maybe in his next book he’ll claim that Martin Luther King, Jr., Shirley Temple and Dr. Seuss were all plotting to skull fuck the kittens of the world and make everyone get an abortion from a gay married couple.

    Stupid bitch.

    *Bush43 went to Yale and Harvard, does this mean he’s admitting the president was edumacated by fascists?

  41. 41.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 12:24 pm

    Liberman’s the turncoat.

    Are you stating Lieberman’s a turncoat because he’s playing nice with the Republicans, or because he pays equal effort to Israel as he does the U.S.?

    I’m cool with the former. Not so giddy about the latter.

  42. 42.

    Bombadil

    December 17, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    *Bush43 went to Yale and Harvard, does this mean he’s admitting the president was edumacated by fascists?

    In defense of two fine universities, ‘attending and ‘receiving an education’ are not the same thing.

  43. 43.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 12:31 pm

    In defense of two fine universities, ‘attending and ‘receiving an education’ are not the same thing.

    In Bush’s case though, they are, assuming “education” was the slang for cocaine at any point in time.

  44. 44.

    Psycheout

    December 17, 2007 at 12:39 pm

    Liberman is a turncoat because he switched parties and endorsed a Republican. He frequently sides with the GOP. Didn’t you know these things?

  45. 45.

    Dug Jay

    December 17, 2007 at 12:41 pm

    Lieberman’s endorsement is the Voice of Aipac; it matters heaps
    But NH isn’t very Jewish. I can’t get a solid figure, but it’s

    Just a slight hint of anti-Semitism buried in those two comments.

  46. 46.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 12:48 pm

    Liberman is a turncoat because he switched parties and endorsed a Republican. He frequently sides with the GOP. Didn’t you know these things?

    Of course. The question of the matter was your opinion.

    I know you’re not used to someone being interested because Trolls Should Never Be Fed. But I’m bored and it’s the last day before a 2-week vacation for me… excuses et seq.

    My interest was a freebie, because I’m an soft-hearted dork. Write more interesting things that aren’t covered in unnecessary partisan shit, and other people will actually be interested in what you have to say.

  47. 47.

    Jake

    December 17, 2007 at 12:53 pm

    Code Brown! Code Brown!

    Nope, don’t note the fact the explosion came from a closet that held HVAC equipment! Run! Hide! Get the duct tape!

  48. 48.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 1:02 pm

    Just a slight hint of anti-Semitism buried in those two comments.

    I can’t tell if you’re mocking my HTML skills skillz or you’re wondering about what lies beneath.

    If the latter, AIPAC does not equal Judiasm. AIPAC is for Israel, a concept I believe to be precarious and bad for the Jewish faith (partially demonstrated by Baptist Christian eagerness to see Israelis suffer to bring about the End Times). As for Jewish people or Israeli citizens, I have nothing against them that wouldn’t be criticized of others, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, American, Chinese or otherwise.

  49. 49.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 1:07 pm

    … and why the hell is it that any time someone even brushes up against these ad hoc institutions, one has to say 10 I-Am-Not-A-Nazi Rosaries?

    This Israel policy is one fucking bad relationship for Americans. I feel like I’ve slighted my girlfriend on her period.

  50. 50.

    Paul L.

    December 17, 2007 at 1:20 pm

    Question, who else thinks Drew Peterson is responsible for his missing wife?

    Am I letting the fact that he seems to be a egotistical control freak @$$hole cloud my judgment?

  51. 51.

    jcricket

    December 17, 2007 at 1:26 pm

    So now that the Bush Admin. has purged people who know what the fuck they’re talking about, the question becomes what will be different when one of “their” experts gives an opinion or ruling that they don’t like?

    I’ve lost count of the times a “Republican Reagan-appointed judge” has aroused the ire of the modern day conservatives whenever he ruled in some way counter to their current lunacy. Terri Schiavo anyone?

    I can’t see how demonizing academics, journalists, judges, economists, aid workers is a winning strategy unless you can get complete takeover of any publishing outlet for “reality based work”… hmm…

  52. 52.

    Bombadil

    December 17, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Paul L. Says:

    Question, who else thinks Drew Peterson is responsible for his missing wife?

    Am I letting the fact that he seems to be a egotistical control freak @$$hole cloud my judgment?

    One, what does Drew Peterson have to do with Duke lacrosse? and two, the fact that you are an @$$hole does enough to cloud your judgement — no one else’s @$$holery is necessary.

    Just saying.

  53. 53.

    Robert Johnston

    December 17, 2007 at 2:23 pm

    If the Steelers suck, then what exactly is it that the Jets do?

    IMPEACH MCCAREINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  54. 54.

    Paul L.

    December 17, 2007 at 2:29 pm

    demonizing academics

    You a Howard Zinn/Noah Chomsky fan?
    You think it was wrong to criticize Ward Churchill’s “little Eichmanns” article or the Duke group of 88 “listening” statement?

  55. 55.

    demimondian

    December 17, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    Hmm. Paul L., I’m certainly not a Noam Chomsky fan, but the idea that a mild-mannered Talmudic scholar, however disreputable his politics, is a threat to American democracy is beyond reprehensible.

  56. 56.

    Jake

    December 17, 2007 at 2:43 pm

    ‘Tis the season to release jackalopes!

  57. 57.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 3:24 pm

    Some open thread fodder from Sully: GAO counts a $37T loss on account of Bush 43.

    http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_72998.shtml

    that’s 37 times 10 to the ZOMG 12th power dollars.

    That’s not Canadian dollars, folks. American. Because it would BE LESS in Canadian. Good god, what a supreme fuck up.

  58. 58.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 3:25 pm

    oops, 32 trillion. My bad. (With accounting like that, I should join the “tax cuts create revenue” crowd!)

  59. 59.

    tBone

    December 17, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    You think it was wrong to criticize Ward Churchill’s “little Eichmanns” article or the Duke group of 88 “listening” statement?

    No.

    I do think it’s wrong to extrapolate their behavior to all academics, though.

    I try to be fair about this. For instance, I often see you post here. Despite that, I don’t think all people named Paul would lose an intelligence contest with a severely concussed squirrel.

  60. 60.

    Jake

    December 17, 2007 at 4:04 pm

    Activist Judge says: All UR VISTR LOGS R BELONG TO US.

  61. 61.

    bob

    December 17, 2007 at 4:25 pm

    Who gives a shit about Ward Churchill? Who the fuck ever heard of him until the whiny ass wingers started whining their whiny ass bullshit about him? Howard Zinn has been right over and over and over and over and over. Must be why you don’t like him. Chomsky thinks there is a faction in America that wants an empire and actively works to make it so. Golly gee who could EVER come to that conclusion by observing American foreign policy in Central and South America, the Philippines, Africa or Southeast Asia?

  62. 62.

    Dug Jay

    December 17, 2007 at 4:26 pm

    Hmm, Chris. That GAO report that you cite does not attribute a $32 trillion budget deficit to Bush. While Sully’s post infers that, you need to keep in mind that Sully couldn’t manage his own two shilling allowance as a twelve year old.

    The GAO report speaks of a $32 trillion growth in the federal government’s looming deficit primarily because of the ever growing obligations for medicare and social security programs, issues that Bush actually wanted to begin working on, but the Democrats did not. In fact, many on the Left, including for example Paul Krugman now, say that these are not problems we need to work on in the near future.

  63. 63.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 4:47 pm

    That GAO report that you cite does not attribute a $32 trillion budget deficit to Bush.

    True, and that’s what I get for posting links that I don’t have time to look through seriously.

    However, it does implicate Bush that he shouldn’t have increased our exposure and put us into a war zone if he wasn’t capable of handling the growing deficit tumor.

    Bush “wanting to work on Medicare” doesn’t make him any less responsible for the war he stumbled into and the tax cuts he joyously signed.

  64. 64.

    jcricket

    December 17, 2007 at 4:50 pm

    Activist Judge says: All UR VISTR LOGS R BELONG TO US.

    Yeah, as Atrios said, I expect we’ll be seeing those logs about the same time we see all the Rove/RNC emails.

    FUCK. Doesn’t anyone have the fucking cajones to just start throwing these people in jail?

  65. 65.

    jcricket

    December 17, 2007 at 4:52 pm

    Bush “wanting to work on Medicare” doesn’t make him any less responsible for the war he stumbled into and the tax cuts he joyously signed.

    This is the same President who breathlessly trumpets some supposed crisis in Social Security and demands to see everyones’ “plans” to fix said (faux) crisis, while himself having no plan, outside of a shaky sentence or two that even the most conservative economist admits will destroy Social Security as we know it.

    That we take anything the right says seriously now is pathetic. They’re not in the debate. They’re disqualified, for being interminable assholes.

  66. 66.

    Dug Jay

    December 17, 2007 at 5:13 pm

    This is the same President who breathlessly trumpets some supposed crisis in Social Security and demands to see everyones’ “plans” to fix said (faux) crisis, while himself having no plan, outside of a shaky sentence or two that even the most conservative economist admits will destroy Social Security as we know it.

    That we take anything the right says seriously now is pathetic. They’re not in the debate. They’re disqualified, for being interminable assholes.

    Not a single fact among all those words. Bush had a detailed plan, one supported by countless economists, both liberal and conservative. In fact, the whole point of the GAO report is that the government needs to get cracking on a solution to the social security and medicare problems before time runs out.

  67. 67.

    Paul L.

    December 17, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    No.
    I do think it’s wrong to extrapolate their behavior to all academics, though.

    Why would I do that. Just because most defended old Ward by screaming “academic freedom”.

    Maybe you should check the FIRE website for more examples.

    And I do not extrapolate their behavior to all academics.
    Just to the “soft science academics” such as Social sciences, gender and ethnic studies types.

  68. 68.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 6:24 pm

    In fact, the whole point of the GAO report is that the government needs to get cracking on a solution to the social security and medicare problems before time runs out. to the problems enumerated in the GAO report.

    Fixed.

    I would be much more happy to GTFO of Iraq, which was never worth the money spent on it in the first place (and I was saying that from Day 1 of “Iraq WMD 9/11!!!!1”, for the record).

  69. 69.

    Dug Jay

    December 17, 2007 at 7:23 pm

    No, Chris, you are totally wrong with your so-called “fix.” Go read the damn report and you will find on page 161 a clear exposition of the major part of the solution, namely, fixing medicare and social security and starting immediately or you will never get the job done.

  70. 70.

    Chris

    December 17, 2007 at 8:42 pm

    I decided your solution was too specific, and moved it to the superset of your solution. Are you seeing a bit too much red to notice that if the superset of your solution is wrong, then your solution is wrong as well?

    You’re shooting past my point, and angrily at that.

    OF COURSE social security is going to suck us dry. So is the impending oil crash, so is our over-extension in foreign issues.

    They’re all going to fuck us hard, and that’s because this entire society is stunningly complacent about the limitations on American power. Just because the first one coming to hit us is Social Security doesn’t mean I’m wrong that Bush is an example of failure to grasp our limitations (unless you’d like to address that…?)

    As for me, I pay every drop of my taxes, W2 and 1099, I have no tax shelters, no debt, I work my ass off as an exempt, and will probably break the 35% tax bracket when my bonus arrives.

    And I’m 25, holding up the end of 60 year olds sucking off welfare, and paying for mistakes of 60 year olds in government. And both my parents did the same before that.

    So you can choose to jerk me off or not, but no acting indignant towards me. I’m doing my part.

    And I’m more worried about the MidEast, and energy dependence vs. overpopulation. Deal.

  71. 71.

    4tehlulz

    December 17, 2007 at 9:15 pm

    …suck us dry…fuck us hard…60 year olds sucking off…jerk me off…

    Shorter Chris: “I need to get laid.”

  72. 72.

    rachel

    December 17, 2007 at 11:10 pm

    Hmm. Paul L., I’m certainly not a Noam Chomsky fan, but the idea that a mild-mannered Talmudic scholar, however disreputable his politics, is a threat to American democracy is beyond reprehensible.

    His argument style, however, is a threat to linguistics students. Your thesis: can you state it up-front, m****r-f****r!

    (Yes, I’m still bitter. OK?)

  73. 73.

    demimondian

    December 17, 2007 at 11:36 pm

    His argument style, however, is a threat to linguistics students.

    Uh, yeah. Several of my pubs discuss the self-organization of linguistic performance. The fact that I found no reason to support any deep syntactic structures is not one which endeared me to the “good” professor, either.

    But I’m not bitter. I plan on outliving him.

  74. 74.

    rachel

    December 17, 2007 at 11:45 pm

    Oh, I don’t mind his theories on universal grammar; I think they’re rather interesting, in fact. It’s just that I found the way he presented them unnecessarily convoluted and wordy.

  75. 75.

    Redleg

    December 18, 2007 at 12:01 am

    I finished my grading tonight at 11:38 local time. Yipee! Of course I’ll have to wake up early tomorrow to enter the grades on our web-based system. I’ll try not to get too drunk ’cause I don’t want to oversleep and miss the deadline. Boo hoo.

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