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Punchy
I find it amazing that Senators are so willing and ready to give full immunity to an entire industry having no idea the extent of what the telecoms have done, and having the WH so clearly fight Congress in turning over paperwork relating to such actions.
Maybe all the Senators missed 4th grade, but you only hide something if it’s against your best interest to let others see it. Smoke, meet fire, etc.
pharniel
Punchy – I have a senaking suspicion that they know precisly what the telcoms, and themselves, have to hide.
I also find it haliarous that after 7 years of the GSE’s being evil gubment entities they are suddenly the NARs saviorus for the housing market by increasing the conforming loan limit to the sky and making them give out bad loans which got us into this mess.
seriously crazyness going on. someone needs to light some asses on fire.
I saw a segment on CNN in the break room about how independent truckers are using old trucks with shit-tas-tic gas milage and near point of breakdown. better stimulus package is to spend that 150 billion giveing 0% 30 year loans for new tracktor trialor rigs to all those guys, ones that are in full repair and consume less fuel, and fix the fucking electric infrastructure in the NE, and MW areas.
maybe even lay some serious fiber optic cable or other invesetments in, y’know, capitol instead of hosues.
"Fair and Balanced" Dave
Not so “amazing” when you realize how much money the telecoms have been shoveling into the campaign coffers of Jay Rockefeller, Harry Reid, et al.
Will Rogers once quipped that America has “the best politicians money can buy.” He was right about the money part but wrong about our politicians being the best.
Dug Jay
Was the “Godzilla” figure supposed to be a metaphor of some kind for Karl Rove with Bambi representing the typical Democrat? If so, it’s pretty damn good.
Who’s Marv Howard?
Punchy
Here’s what I dont understand–most rational Americans would be against prosecution of the telecoms if what they did was wrapped up in patriotic fevor. They’d be unwilling to support a trial if the company was helping to catch terrorists. In effect, public sentiment (if not existing FISA law) would grant them de facto immunity.
Their insane push to get this tells me that they must have gone egregiously BEYOND the norm (read: what most Americans find acceptable), possibly into spying for the Republican party. They must have crossed about 74 lines, and gone 5 miles beyond, for this immunity to be so “necessary”.
My $0.02
Wilfred
Speaking of immunity:
We need an outbreak of political AIDS.
srv
The psychopathy of our leader literally knows no bounds.
Our leaders fave painting is of a horse thief.
h/t reddit.
The Other Steve
More likely… Telecoms have been having financial problems as of late. Last thing they want is to have to fight a bunch of ridiculous court cases.
Occam’s Razor is your friend.
The Grand Panjandrum
Yep. Either that, or someone has pictures.
Jake
Now, now. I know the TCs cut wiretaps on people WHO WANT 2 KILL US when the Feeb didn’t pay the bill, but that doesn’t mean they’re strapped for cash. And it doesn’t mean the Feeb is a bunch of incompetent boobs. Really. As long as you listen to the pResident every thing will be just fine.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I am writing down that I forgot what to write down so that I didn’t forget it, so that I don’t forget it.
Right. So that I don’t forget that I forgot.
What?
Oh, right.
Pie. Everyone likes pie.
ThymeZone
It’s not so amazing when you realize that the evolution toward government secrecy and loss of protections against govenrment intrusion … and degradation of Congress’ power to declare war … all began right after WWII with the invention of the Cold War. Over the next 60 years, citizens became more and more desensitized to the abuses and the decay of Constitutional authority and more and more used to the idea of a unitary executive.
911 didn’t really change everything. It just created the opportunity to continue this trend. The reason why the government looks so inept at reigning itself in is because it stopped practicing the art back the time of Eisenhower and the Dulles brothers. Lying to the people and co-opting power just became de rigueur a long time ago. It’s just that some people started paying attention only recently that makes it all seem “surprising.”
The ship sailed a long time ago. You can’t just sit back and expect people in congress to get it back for you because you wished for the Constitutional pony. The people have to demand it in no uncertain terms. That hasn’t happened yet.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I HATE this fact, but there is logic behind this.
The reason they want to give immunity is because they don’t want the telecoms to dismantle that which they’ve created. There’s a general consensus among the mentally fit in Congress that wiretapping targeting citizens should be reiterated as illegal, but the overarching apparatus should stick.
My problem? Over here:
Why is it that the apparatus should be held valuable? Because were undr attak oh noes tell mi kidz i lerv dem im off 2 war lol!!!!!
Goddamn over-reactive pussies. It’s been 6 years. Most bad-ass dude since tried to attack Fort Dix with a medium pepperoni, extra cheese. I walked by the WTC hole for years on commute. Never saw another nutcase with a bomb strapped to them.
Nutcases with huge crosses strapped to their backs? Now, that’s another story.
Wilfred
Oh Barack, we hardly knew ye:
This is a truly priceless article here
Now you can see the logic of McCain/Lieberman
ThymeZone
From Wilfred’s link. I am particularly pleased that Balloon-Juice has seen fit to focus on bullshit themes like “Unity Pony” which are all about snarking what amounts to a general campaign packaging strategy, something that is common to every large political campaign … and completely ignore the total and abject failure of the media to properly report — and police — the real stories behind our dysfunctional political process.
BJ is the kind of place where, if we don’t push back against it, 2008 will roll by in a fog of snarkity snarkitude and then we could end up with President Romney a year from now and everyone going, WTF happened? How could we elect an idiot like
George BushMitt Romney president?How, indeed. By not paying fucking attention, that’s how. It’s easier than you think to completely fuck up the country. All it takes is deciding to vote for a guy who seems like he’d be cool to go have a beer with.
Dreggas
Heh, Shillary goes out and tries to shive Obama with Rezko (and looks amateurish in the process) and then gets nailed on TV today with a picture of her and bill with ol’ tony, not much unlike a picture of Bush and Abramoff. I bet bill never asked how much tony benched tho.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Given all of the AOBB (Anti-Obama-Bunker-Buster) weapons journalists have been noting in the last week, I’m having a hard time not thinking this is all Hillary’s doing. But then again, that clip of Bill obviously lying is ass off — about Nevada and 6 Hispanic voters — kinda pushed me over the edge… so I’m probably not thinking clearly on this one.
TheFountainHead
I posted this in the previous thread and I’m bringing it here, partly because I’m pissy this morning, partly to support what TZ is saying, and partly because I just can. Snarkiness is all fine and good, but it doesn’t change jack.
I don’t understand the people who think sending Boy George or any of the upper deck of cards he surrounds himself with would act as a deterrent for more than one, maybe two presidencies, if that, not that it’s even remotely probable that any of them would ever see a day in court. The only true deterrent comes when the people of this country, as a collective, not as individuals, exercise their constitutionally granted powers over the government. As a collective, we sat back and watched this happen. We have given far too much power over to intermediary groups like the mainstream media and corporate lobbyists, and in so doing, have let the contact with our government corrode. We won’t see better behavior in the White House until they feel the pain of an angry and undivided (no Obamishness here, though if the shoe fits…) electorate.
Shorter: If your Congressional representatives are fucking you, fuck them back. If they are fucking you by not fucking the Executive when they should, fuck them all the harder. Why leave it to them to play hardball? It’s our fucking country.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Dregs, I owe you about 5 beers for that. That made my day and it’s not even 1 yet. Thanks.
Wilfred
The most remarkable thing about the article is the stress that Obama is not Muslim, suggesting that if he was then the following bit of out and out bigotry would be ok:
Is this motherfucker for real?
Jen
Winfred, I dunno if it’s a cop-out, but sometimes it’s the only way I can cope with overwhelming levels of stupidity. Is it possible that the only Jews right-wing knee-jerk moronic enough to believe this kind of thing are Jews who wouldn’t vote Democratic anyway?
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Second.
I disagree with this, though. State Secrets privilege and an unprepared opposition party really allowed for these assholes to provide a top-down insurgence.
Constitutional action will only become useful Jan 2009, methinks.
Good news! It’s a passive power. The moment you (we) stop stop watching, they lose ratings, they lose influence.
The Internet has purposely filled that vacuum though. The only thing that hasn’t changed is that understanding the government requires actual research and effort.
My honest guess is that as the Media desperately puts more useless stories on the air to boost ratings (“because the people watch it, ya know!”), people will just simply accept that CNN shows titties, the table in the back at Borders (and Fox News) is for extremist opinion, and the Internet is for scouring for government utilities and resources (govtrack.us)
And threaten them, too! It’s very cathartic.
Svensker
Sadly, no. I’ve heard similar things from well-educated old-line Dem NY Jews.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
No, from my observance, there’s a strong sub-population in the Jewish community where their citizenship in Israel is their primary hobby. It isn’t right-wing or fundamentalist or anything.
Some Jews are “meh” about it, and the other Jews see Israel as extensions of themselves.
The stupid thing about this, is Jews wouldn’t go off like this unless someone had made the conscious effort to smear Obama. It’s not an African race thing. After all, Jews know what it’s like to be put-down and lynched.
Jen
Second hopeful copout: Maybe they live in solidly red or blue states….?
Damn. Florida.
How hard could it be to cut that place off at the Panhandle, anyway?
libarbarian
I saw another article on this:
I don’t, but then again, “How do I know that you don’t ritualistically consume the blood of gentile children during passover? Seriously, how do I really know ?”.
This is such bullshit. I can see Pam “Completely Fucking Bonkers” Atlas falling for this shit but I would hope that most Jews are both empathetic and educated enough not to fall for these obvious slanders.
TheFountainHead
You seem to not be taking me literally. I’m talking about ruining these people’s lives in every way just short of committing felonies until they get the picture. Threaten them? Fuck that, I want them to feel the squeeze.
Jen
You REALLY want us to take you literally? My senators are Elizabeth Dole and Richard Burr, and I’m sorry, even for my country, there is No. Fucking. Way. Edwards left, remember?
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Ganchrow wrote in the post, but deleted afterwards, “I don’t really care about the answer. My commitment is to the study that every non-Jew has a little bit of Muslim in them.
“Did I mention Hillary Rodham Clinton was Jewish for a period 12.4 minutes long, when Benyamin Netanyahu briefly visited the White House?
“We call that ‘pintele Yid'”
John S.
This is rather ominous and disturbing, only more so because I can actually see it happening.
And then John Cole will write something along the lines of, “Jesus, I know I spent the entire Spring trashing Obama, but that shouldn’t have left anybody with the impression that I was for Romney!” I mean, obviously John ridicules Romney plenty, but somehow those posts won’t stand out in people’s minds as much as the Obama snark-a-thon.
And there you have it.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
You seem not to be taking me seriously, yourself.
Who’s the congressperson in your district? I’ll check the Jars, see if I have any of their daughter’s blood left.
John S.
No shit. Quite a few of the black gospel hymns are actually derived from tales about Jewish slavery and opression.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Ever been to a bris?
/rimshot
//try the veal
Jen
I mean, have a heart, libarbarian! There are actually people represented by Ted Stevens!
(Sorry, I know this is juvenile, it’s just what has captivated me right now. My son would say it “caught my interesting”.)
TheFountainHead
Heh, touche Caidence, touche. Actually, I just moved, and haven’t done as much research into my new Washington friends as I like to. Steve Rothman seems to be the only one worth noting, and near as I can tell, he’s a solid upstanding guy. But there may be more than I know to him. My point remains the same, regardless of the newfound powers of the internet and all that, the American people are profoundly apathetic to their government and ignorant at that.
It’s tacky how well this fits:
Most Americans = Garfield…sleeping through Monday and gorging themselves.
Runaway Govt. = The Mice…eatin’ the cheese and sunnin’ themselves.
The Vocal Few = Jon Arbuckle….waving his arms in vain.
John S.
There’s only one mohel good enough for that job: Rabbi Meier Tucklitz!
If he can perform a circumcision in the back seat of the Royal Deluxe II, he can circumcise anything!
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I’m…
I’m Jon Arbuckle?
Like, the dork that has a particular depth engineered to make a 7 year old feel unique and bright?
/goes in corner
//turns off “Ode to Joy”
///hangs self
Dreggas
Given the timing of these attacks, robo-calls (it’s being reported in SC that obama backers are being robo-called and given false voting information for polling times and locations) I see the mark of K-K-Karl all over the Clinton Campaign for benign despots.
Punchy
So many Jews are irrational idiots, who only care about their Mother Country and not the one they live in….admittedly not surprised.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Sully pointed to a pollster.com article…
apparently, Hillary has a poor rating in the “trustworthy” column.
bonus? Hillary talks about “trust” all the damn time. She might as well be handing out pre-filled ballots for Obama.
This campaign appears to be solidified. Anyone paying attention and not invested takes a do-nothing Obama over an erratic Clinton. I dunno if that’ll be enough to push Obama over, but I’m liking the nationals.
This is all fucked because this is the primaries. If this were Obama vs. Hillary in the general, Obama would crush her. But since this is intraparty, apparently the AOL voters just show up to prove they remember that some guy name Clinton used to be preznit once.
Sigh… This primary is going to give me sufficient reason to feel superior to average Americans, isn’t it?
ThymeZone
Yes, without doubt, but the larger thing here is, this is typical of knee-jerk bigoted thinking, wherever it exists, no matter the demographic, or the origin. There is plenty of stupidity out there, it comes in all flavors and packages.
The danger is that we have a political system now that is adept at finding, and exploiting, that kind of nonsense. I have called it Rovian politics, but it has become so common, we can’t just talk about it in those terms any more. It’s dirty, negative politics, and it is everywhere you look.
The Clintons, who have suffered greatly at the hands of the dirty players, are now …. dirty players, par excellence. I think they can even turn Obama into another dirty player. The GOP is all dirty players, all the time.
So, that’s what they are, the politicians. The question is, what are we? Are we just the rubes? Or are we going to reject this bullshit?
Up to now, there has been a tendency to think that somebody else is going to provide the leadership. Why doesn’t congress ……whatever? Why doesn’t the media ….. whatever? Why won’t the blogowners ….. whatever?
We’re on our own. It’s up to us. None of them are going to save us from ourselves.
TheFountainHead
It doesn’t already??
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I have a little bit of experience in this concept (intelligence, artificial intelligence, etc.)
Good news: All functioning systems, by defintion, adapt and compensate for changed environmental variables.
Therefore, if the stupid-yet-watching people aren’t capable of picking up on this, then the system in general is broken, then we’ve got much bigger problems.
Like, we’re about to consider Zaire our economic rivals. That kind of problem.
tl;dr: Give it time. All proper adjustments require ample time.
wasabi gasp
I guess Muslin Plant sounds better then Uppity Negro. But, who cares what a bunch of Wandering Jews think anyway.
TheFountainHead
Apparently Penn wants to make sure we all know that Bill was just as much teh awesome as Obama didn’t say Reagan was.
So, it was a joke a few months ago, but can anyone sit there and with all seriousness make the claim that this isn’t Bill Clinton running for a third term?
John S.
You must be blissfully unaware of the power AIPAC has over our elected officials.
TheFountainHead
I don’t disagree with the concept of a self correcting system, but you’re putting an awful lot of weight on the word “functional” there. a big assumption to make, I think.
Dreggas
What I find almost amusing is watching myself and anyone who ever liked the Clintons and defended them having to re-evaluate our positions in light of new information and realizing that maybe there was some truth, ok a lot of truth, to the “Slick Willie” meme.
Add into that watching the Clintons and their Hillbot supporters come out with “If you call the Clintons out for lying you are spewing right wing talking points” for any and all challenges to the fact that they are, by nature, lying their asses off.
They’re acting just like bushies who say any attempt to call out bush means you suffer from BDS. They stared into the abyss and the abyss stared into them. Just makes me realize they weren’t really that good for the dems after all and they were and always have been about themselves.
Of course this has everyone at the Great Orange Satan in a tizzy, myself included. It’s like the 04 election all over again. Just substitute clinton in bush’s place.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
It’s a definition. An absolute. It’s either there or not. We’re either “functional” and gonna make it, or “not functional” and were about to get our asses handed to us in denominations of Pesos.
No need to hedge words when you’re honest and actually know what the words mean. #43 has a problem with the latter, HRC a problem with the former.
/I lurv language. Everything makes sense there.
TheFountainHead
I’ve been avoiding the The Blog that Satan Built for fear of how elbows might be getting thrown around there….but…if you say it’s a good time to be had….
TheFountainHead
Clearly you have never tried to teach English to anyone.
Dreggas
It’s insane. The Hillbots are making contortionists envious considering nearly every attempt to smear Obama has been backfiring against them.
As much as it does hurt having the knife in my back from the clintons it does remind me of their true accomplishments in office:
NAFTA
DADT
DOMA
Welfare reform (not all bad but definitely bought into the welfare queen bs)
as well as much of the deregulation that led us where we are today as Clinton (B) signed bill after bill by a republican congress. Oh and yeah they gave us that republican congress.
Sorry, can’t defend ’em any more.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Melissa McEwan has a link to MenForHillary.org. Their tagline is “Ditch your sexism! Elect qualified women now!”
I’m apparently sexist because I like the idea of voting for someone without an axe to grind.
I wonder if they’d support Michelle Obama if she decides to run for an office. I bet not.
(Yeah, I took a wrong turn on the Net last night)
Xanthippas
Ha.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
While I’d usually fault the person, not the language… English does tend to be “special” in the euphemistic sense.
“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.” — James D Nicoll
Darkness
Ouch, does this guy really want tread out on this crumbling slope? Given, as Peter Johnson so clumsily and pathetically demonstrated in a previous thread, the accusation of harboring an -ism is the primary weapon of the Israel lobby (generally a la the closing scene of Invasion of the Body Snatchers). This guy is working hard to hone a second edge on that sword and I don’t think he’s gonna like the next backswing very much.
Shortsighted doesn’t cover it. Whoa. Dumb dumb dumb. (Or just desserts. Depends on the angle of the light on it. Giving how much browbeating has been ongoing for so long, perhaps more of the latter. PJ made me realize just how much Israel lobby fatigue I’m feeling. Moral high ground? What’s that?)
Ed Drone
////rope breaks, and Jon tries to make a date with the 911 emergency nurse. She puts the rope back on and ties it securely this time.
Ed
TheFountainHead
I just spent 20 minutes in the Orange and I am frightened. The next time a Clintonista accuses ME of using “right wing talking points” when attempting to dissuade them of their zombie like support of her, I’m just going to hit them in the face. It’s nasty in there.
Dreggas
I’m there under the same name as here. It’s actually fun for me and good mental exercise. Some would say it’s not right to beat on the retarded but we all need practice dummies.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Unfortunately, we’re in the minority at least until the rest of the Holocaust survivors pass on.
I don’t really think they’re the principal nutcases with the Israel lobby, but their successors worship survivors like cult gods it seems.
You never hear “I survived the holocaust, therefore Israel deserves U.S. support!”
You frequently hear “My second cousin once-removed survived the Holocaust, and it haunts me! So how dare you insinuate Israel must maintain human rights standards!”
Darkness
I saw Hillary speak after her Senate win. Her volunteer minions were of the fawning, scary sort that you’d expect to see at a revival meeting of Stockholm syndrome sufferers. They did not seem to be the type to take criticism rationally. So this is no surprise. They are some authoritarian subset over on the left, or something. I didn’t feel safe sticking around to analyze it beyond a few minutes watching how Hillary handled them, which was with a Jim Jones kind of skill. I’ll give her credit for her prowess at that (I wouldn’t want to be in the same zip code with them, let alone distribute one-armed hugs), but that just made it scarier.
The senate is a good place for Hillary. I also think she’d make an excellent VP, so I’m praying (well, I’m an atheist, how far is that going to go?) for Obama/Hillary or Edwards/Hillary. Either one would be great in my view. Senators have very little power as individuals unless they are smart and then they have a tiny bit. It’s a good place for a smart person with ambition. Keeps them productive, without letting them become dictator. As to VP, what do you want in a VP? You want someone sharp as a whip, who’s been paying obsessive attention to events, like forever, and should the shit utterly smash into the fan, wouldn’t blink an eye while stepping in to take over. I have total faith that she can do that. I think her temperament and flat diction would serve well in a crisis. Odds are she’d never move up, just take over Cheney’s office from which she’ll give the 27% castration nightmares for 8 years. Whoo hoo! Sounds like a win-win to me.
Punchy
i refuse to go there. They’re all Edwards, all the time. If Edwards takes a shit, someone will write a diary on its color and consistency and it’ll be a recommended diary in 10 minutes. Really, lots of those readers/writers are whacked.
Darkness
Before the U.S. trashed the last of its own moral authority, there was a chance of moderating everyone’s actions in this millennia-long conflict …. hey wait a minute. Maybe that’s what Iraq was really about. Setting up precedent for random Middle East military action so that we’d easily move on from Iraq to…. GASP! Iran! Oh my god, I think I’ve figured it out.
… hey, who’s that at the door? Wha? Black cars, black jackets, ear-pieces. Hey, that looks just like the
4tehlulz
I lol’d because it’s true. (By the way, the latest debate is whether he has floaters or sinkers.)
Now, the only reason for me to go there is bonddad’s diaries.
Bombadil
I only look at the front-pagers, very rarely the diaries. Main reason to go is Bill in Portland ME’s “Cheers & Jeers”.
Dreggas
For the most part it’s been people calling out the clintons lately. Of course there are 7 or 8 hillbots over there and there are the ones about Edwards, but not so much.
David
“Bambi Meets Godzilla” is an all-time cinematic classic.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
lawl. Subtle. Well done.
/golfclap.
//black bags aren’t something to laug[[^A
JR
The Orange zombie brigade is Nader’s fault. Scapegoating Nader is were they learned to hate blindly, ignore reality, ascribe false motives and attack would-be allies.
You might have had to follow the site for a while to have seen it. First in the early days it was enlightened togetherment, gradually purging itself into a spastic collection of rocking babblers with fingers in their ears.
The Left really should use the example of Dkos as a clue how NOT to create a reform movement, a “big tent” or, really, any collective response to any diffuse problem at all. It’s been discouraging.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
(O/T)
“La la la. Islam means peace.”
good post.
Paul L.
From Ann Althouse:
The future Amanda Marcotte/Melissa McEwan in England.
“I remember the first time my girlfriends and I admitted that we all felt the same about married sex as parents….”
skippy
just want to compliment tim f. for an oldie but goodie on the youtube!
LiberalTarian
Yeah, I admit. I just can’t handle any more Clinton/Obama bullshit, FISA/GOP bullshit, Bailout/tax cut bullshit or bullshit bullshit for a while.
Although I’ve never done it, my roommate swears it is good clean fun: Bollywood movie night. I might emerge to pay attention to the state of the state another day.
Or I might not.
reid
Just how old is that bambi video? I vaguely remember that from 25+ years ago….
libarbarian
Clinton wants to overturn rule on Michigan delegates!
All candidates agreed not to campaign in Michigan. Edwards and Obama kept their word – Clinton broke hers.
All candidates agreed that Michigan delegates wouldn’t count. Clinton is now turning her back on that agreement and
Who is so blind as to think that a person who will willfully renege on their own word will actually respect laws made by others?
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
That’s retarded Paul.
No one would touch McEwan, let alone marry her.
My specific protocol involving wildlife like that involves forcing a minimum distance from me of 10′, with a good steel rod.
In fact, I’d probably beat her face with it; she’d likely come out of it looking better.
/shudder
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
and Florida, too.
Dreggas
I wanna see a cloverfield vs. bambi movie BWAHAHAHA
D-Chance.
Whatever happened to “savor”, Ms Noonan?
Ah, savor…
and, btw, for the next YouTube link, two words: Rubber Johnny. Late night television was so whacked back in the day.
rawshark
As of yesterday I’m allowed to chew again. Woohoo!
The Other Steve
Ahh, I see you have read some of my comments over there about the color of edwards bowel movements.
Jake
Since this is an open thread:
I sincerely hope these computers don’t wind up in a gov’t auction.
However, it may explain why the WH is so protective of its computer use records.
Rick Taylor
Wow. I’m just seeing the clip from the debate where they were all asked if the war in Iraq was a good idea. Only Ron Paul said no. That is insane. I think people could reasonably disagree about what the best thing to do now is, but still equivocating over whether it was a good idea or not to invade in the first place? That is just insane.
Birdzilla
GODZILLA MEETS BAMBI take a little deer and a greaat big lizard put em together and its SPLAT
Chuck Butcher
I like the sport of shooting and I like to hunt, that is not why I own guns. Some are not particularly useful in a militia setting, but that’s the short list and none are “toys.”
You honestly followed this with a question? The top Democratic candidates are Clinton/Obama and there’s a question? If there were spit difference between them don’t you think they’d find something a little more relevant to spar over? Edwards is an after-thought, he’s not much, but he does show signs of being an actual Democrat.
My limit for absolutely ruin your day with open sights is 600 yards and most of my stuff spends too much air time to be of real use farther out, even with a scope. If BushCo’s current disaster wasn’t making funds tight I’d look for something that can really reach out, there are a couple bullets out there, like 140gr .243 JHPBT that have real potential boosted up to 3500fps, beautiful ballistic coefficients. You could start to talk a six inch circle at 1500yds with a shoulder fireable rifle, rather than the rested .50 Barrett. Just muttering here, mumble, mumble.
For fans of slow and big, how about 500 gr 45-70 at 2,000fps or 350gr .45 Colt (pistol) at 1300fps? Anybody even know what I’m talking about? Any right wing trolls know?
bernarda
One of my favorites is “Thank You Maskman” by Lenny Bruce.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CebRfSFnWGM