Obama wins big in SC.’
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If I were a campaign manager, I would make damned sure my guy speaks before Obama. Edwards looks like shit after listening to Obama’s speech, and Edwards is not a bad public speaker.
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This may be the dumbest post ever to be created in the history of blogging. Yes, Erick, the party running a black man is the hotbed of racism.
27% lead with 74% of the vote in according to C-SPAN. May be record turnout for Democrats, and it sounds like lots of young voters are stepping up. That in itself is great news.
In a way, it seems like this is the old Democratic establishment (Hillary) versus the new Democratic establishment (Obama).
I like that. In the mid 90’s, I quit the Democratic party because of Bill Clinton. If they can purge the Clintons I may have reason to join again.
You shoulda bought the Dyson.
Oh, sorry. Wrong thread.
But serially, I hope that this gives Obama momentum going into Super Tuesday.
See Sully or TMP for Bill Clinton’s latest effort at disgracing himself. “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina twice”.
The Big Dog just can’t help himself. Bill Clinton FTMFL.
I just saw Bill give Hillary’s concession speech.
The hell’s up with that? I guess we really are talking about a third Bill term.
B-B-But Magical Unity Ponies!
GOD DAMN does this man give good speeches
HAHA OH WOW:
I think we can officially rule out a Clinton/Obama or Obama/Clinton ticket.
I’m an old political junkie, been through a few wars in this red state, but …
Damn, this guy fires me up!
I haven’t felt this excited about a campaign for a long time.
null pointer exception
God this guy regularly keeps topping his last speech with every new one.
Caroline Kennedy is endorsing Obama in the Sunday Times with an op-ed titled “A President Like My Father”. I can’t wait to see the reaction to this:
Just checked CNN with 95% reporting — Obama has almost doubled McCain, Hills got more than Huck, and Edwards (my guy — sigh) at least 20K better than Fred. In a RED STATE! What was that thing Hewitt said — paint the map red or something. BAWHAAAAAA
I’m sticking with Edwards, but I’m dreaming of Obama/Edwards ’08 and ’12.
Sounds about right.
Killer speech by Obama, goosebumps again. I’m starting to think he can actually pull this off. I’ve even heard some reluctant admiration from right-leaning friends lately.
I guess Super Tuesday will tell, but the trends are starting to look good for him.
The big news is turn out — 520,000 and counting. They were hoping for 350,000 — it was 290,000 last time.
Take my husband.
Dennis - SGMM
And they voted for Obama instead of Hillary by two-to-one. I don’t want to over interpret the results (I’ll leave that to the punditocracy) but I think it says something about the Dems being energized and possibly even something about Obama.
Edwards is still my guy. I love the hell out of him and his wife–now there’s a couple I could get behind. But if Obama takes this thing, I’ll support him without a wince.
Hillary, on the other hand, has pissed me off beyond pardon with her and Bill’s campaign tactics. For that matter, I’m seriously pissed off at Bill, too. I’m taking a nasty satisfaction in seeing the SC primary results.
Pwnage! Literally. Edwards will be backroom pimping you for a job in someone else’s administration. He can’t win. Republicans want Hillary and her supporters and Edwards supporters are going to give us another Republican president.
Turn out was better than republicans by almost 100k.
Red state my ass.
(I’ve already got my head into the general tonight, sorry.)
You too, Gemina13. Let me know how it feels to get pimped.
Stupid Jay. You haven’t been following this election much, have you?
So what are you saying, Jay? Obama runs alone?
They don’t care at all about turn-out.
I think Obama really is energizing the party.
I was wondering what the turn-out has been in the primaries/competitive caucuses so far, R vs. D? It seems the Dems are way out in front on total numbers.
Uh … Yeah. Democratic voters from SCarolina and Iowa are going to squint at his picture next month and scream “Oh my GOD! He’s a Negro!”
StFu & GtFo.
I predict that due to the strong showing by female voters that the ‘women shouldn’t have gotten the right to vote because they vote for the wrong reasons’ meme to be hauled out come Monday on wingnut radio.
I could be wrong. I have been before. But look for the Coulter or her surrigate Laura or the ‘boys’ to come out with that nonsense.
I saw Obama warm up the crowd for Jim Webb in Sep 2006. After listening to Obama speak, I wanted to rush the stage to check Webb for breathing and a heartbeat.
SteveinSC, you can get some of that from CNN
I’m saying that Edwards has no chance and will be trading his supporters for a job. I wouldn’t let someone else tell me who to support.
Read John Cole’s posts – he understands that independents don’t want 4-8 more years of blowjob jokes. Independents understand that the battles of the 90’s will have to be refought before anything new gets done. A Hillary Clinton presidency will be as tedious and uncomfortably retro as a Soul Asylum reunion. Who wants that.
What happened to my link? I did it the old fashioned way, yet it looked good in preview.
Is Joe Scarborough Chinese?
It’s called choosing a president at a convention. It is the system we have. I prefer having someone with delgates using those votes (that the delegates represent) to wedge his policies into the party. Otherwise we have the ‘one’ pushing his/her policies down our throats.
You must be a new one to this process. Or perhaps you only follow memeorandum or Cap Ed. I can’t believe I’m explaining this to someone here in the 21st Century.
Looks like 160,000 more Democrats voted than Republicans did in SC. Whoa! In a RED state? That is some great news for the Democrats. Who is bringing out new voters in droves?
Obama. IMO, he is what the Democrats need to clear out the old politics of the past. I am not saying he is the next savior, but rather that I believe there is a better chance for a new direction in politics with Obama then there is with HillBilly.
Lately, it has been sounding like Bill is running for a third term, and that can’t be helping Hillary.
When it comes to the Clintons, I say “No More Years!”.
That’s a bold statement. Maybe the Police reunion tour, at worst.
No,it’s called being unable to accurately interpret and unintentionally electing a Republican.
Are you kidding me? It’s what’s keeping her in the race. People want Bill back in the White House. I don’t know — I don’t like political dynasties — but a lot of voters do.
I have a theory about the American people: they love Bill Clinton.
CRAP — I forgot that there are a lot of ‘new’ Democrats here in the BJ threads.
There is a reason that all of the talkers and Pres. Bush use the term ‘democrat’ instead of ‘democratic’. They think we are not democratic. Clue for you Jay — democratic is how we work. It’s not pretty like the republicans with their party line and discipline, but it is closer to how people live than your meme.
Oh, and it also relates to why their hardcore types say this country is a ‘republic’ as opposed to a democracy.
But you knew all that already, no?
That is just dumb. Jay do you remember 1988?
The Clinton haters in the media are gleefully discussing Hillary’s obituary again, just like they did after Iowa.
The Magic Unity Pony is proclaiming he has virtually won the nomination, with only a small percentage of the total primary votes cast. He does talk purty though.
Shit — I get this thread that has all of the assholes — jay dougj wankj jdub jay wait jay duh jay stupid.
You guys set me up.
I still have puppies that need homes. At 2 months and a few days they are all pushing 20 lbs. Better pics up tomorrow.
Everytime I watch Obama, I get chills. Hillary and Obama aren’t miles apart policy-wise, however Obama inspires me and makes me cast aside my cynical political eye and believe.
I think our nation needs that. Partisanship is fine, however I’m so sick of the name calling, the demonizing of the other side, the “Rush Limbaugh”-ing of politics; where the only argument that needs to be made, in fact the only argument a lot of people CAN make, is to call someone a liberal or wingnut. I think Obama can defuse that, Hillary will only inflame it.
It would also be nice for once in recent memory to cast a vote for someone I want to vote for rather than the lesser of two evils.
Oh yeah, and what’s up with no concession speech?
Keep your day job.
Don’t you need a good puppy? Olga might work in well with your freaking cat.
Normal household = 2 dogs, 3 cats
ninerdave — they will come at Obama with force. Just listen to a bit of how they treat McCain. That and more.
But it will be the same, no matter which of the three.
It’s almost too good to be true. I’ve enjoyed these weeks of Huck, then McCain bashing.
i read a rumor elsewhere on the innertubes that edwards will be tapped as obama’s attorney general, not a bad thing imho.
and i was pushing for edwards, too.
TZ, you need a guard dog, no? Olga is a perfect match for you. She is proud — some say arrogant.
Perfect pup for you.
The story out of SC should be the turn out. Sadly, I think it will be the same old crap — with the new trist about females voting for Obama because he is cute*
Damn. I’m as cynical as the next guy. But damn.
Something I hadn’t thought of, but a good sign, nonetheless.
That could work, very well.
Don’t give up too soon , skippy.
si, se puedo
What I heard this past summer from the marchers on the only hill in downtown Houston.
damn Obama is good.
I’m voting for the unity pony, bitches! Man, maybe I should actually like join the democratic party…
Can she be trained to pick up the neighbor’s newspaper and bring it to me?
I heard the rumor Obama was going to give Edwards the AG slot too. I believe the source is Robert Novak, so take it with the appropriate quantity of salt. Still, it would be a brilliant way to allay the base’s fear that Mr. Unity Pony is going to pull a Ford regarding Bush and his cronies.
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The splurge is working.
Pretty speeches are a dime dozen. We are in the era of Marketing bullshit. It’s the action that tells.
Pretty speeches make me wary. Especially since someone wrote the speech and another speaks the words. Hollywood is over flowing such people as are CEOS positions and the worst leaders in human history. Hence actions have more credibly to me.
With a little loving care, I dare say she could get the paper, explain to the neighbor what it is for and then read it to you.
She’s a fine pup.
Yes. Ugly speeches is where its at.
Hillary supporter: check
Olga is a better candidate.
Saw the pix, they are sweet looking pups.
Im sure you wont have trouble placing them.
LOL! Wasabi, Yeah in a sense ugly speeches have more truth. I’d rather see true than be blinded by pretty only to die by my own self deceit.
Too perfect seems like too much bullshit and orchestrated dancing. I’ve listened to many over several decades. The majority preceding disaster and how it is suppose to be wonderful and beneficial if only I would I just listen and believe.
Best to watch the actions to see if the words actually mesh. Too many fakes and kabuki dancers and zero legit in my life time.
It’s the placing them that’s the rub. I can’t keep them, but my goodness, I am enjoying learning about puppies. I’ve never had more than one — one I can deal with. But these pups have been an education for me.
I still think Olga is the girl for you TZ. You should feel the ‘proud’ when she is in your arms. Murphy is more like me — barking at everything — hey wait a minute, the little guy has a point!
incontrolados do not quit your day job. You suck at evaluation. Big time. LOL!
I’m a sucker for a good Funky Chicken.
Woo, Erick over at Red State has another winner up: “Democrats: The Party of the Klan?” That is some classic stuff, someone should get him posting over at blogs 4 retards or whatever.
Here’s something interesting for those of you who think Bill hurts Hillary:
Now, to be clear: I don’t want a de facto Clinton third term. And John and a lot of others here don’t either. But it’s silly to mistake our own preferences for those of the rest of the country.
Every poll shows that Bill helps Hillary.
Silver Owl, if I listened to peeps like you, I would have done a Mishima years ago.
And for the record, S.O., I’d never let you get anywhere near the puppies.
Too bad American Idol does not incorporate the Solid Gold Funky Chicken dancers.
I hear the networks are going hog wild for reality shows with the WGA strike. Funky Chicken dancers have a place in everyone’s funny books from every wedding they have ever attended. You could be a freaking star! LOL! You go!
I raised Shelties when I was a kid. Loved the little furballs.
More of a cat person now. Dogs are a little high maintenance for me, they need a lot of attention and I just don’t have a lot of time for them. I like dogs, and they like me, but I don’t think I’m a good candidate for one right now. However I know a professional dog trainer and she knows everybody around here with dogs. I can see if she has any advice for you on placing the sweet pooches.
I really thought you were exaggerating about the dumbest post ever thing. I mean, I’ve read so much mind-boggling stupid things that there’s no way I’ll ever be as intelligent as I was before the Internet. But you weren’t.
I think the Edwards AG rumor is from a column Robert Novak wrote, and I don’t even know that Novak was saying that’s what Edwards wanted. I think it was Novak talking out of his nether hole, speculating on what Edwards *really* wanted because he couldn’t possibly believe in what he was saying.
The Edwards AG rumor is just chum in the water. Edwards has a slim shot at the nomination — getting slimmer by the day — but he’s going to the convention and *then* he’ll figure out what he wants, if and when his chances of getting the nomination go from slim to none.
If I had put this much work into running for President, I’d take whatever shot I had. And yet people keep trying to game him…
The moron put it on his personal blog too.
Already being a dog owner, if I were interested in your dogs your evaluation based on non-dog subjects would disqualify you from a breeder, shelter or rescue I would approach. Your judgment is compromised for self-serving purposes. Dogs do not give two shits about politics. Never have and never will. That is your personal issue. I’m not interested in that.
You made a wrong assumption. We’ll leave it at that and terminate the conversation between us.
I think I’m ok TZ, I was just making fun, though I still think Olga is a good match for you.
My hope is that I can still see them shen they are grown — adopting them out is a no-brainer.
Thanks for the positive vibes.
Oh, and I’m still pushing for Edwards, no doubt.
I’ll send some money his way within the week.
Why would he begin the post with
As if that that was a silly deduction to make. After Craig and Foley, that’s like mocking someone for saying that if a Democrat has the last name Kennedy, he probably has had some kind of substance abuse problem.
Yes, folks, the union of the conservative worldview and reality is the null set.
Actually, that should be the intersection.
Crap that must be a black five poster. My bad.
My funny book has a whole chapter on Funky Chicken. Sadly, the chapter ends in double homicide following a brutal divorce.
The next chapter picks up with the Mashed Potato, though.
Fixed. One thing people haven’t talked about but is a plain fact. Obama is running a 50 state strategy in the primaries. We have tons of campaign HQ’s here in So-Cal. Hell there are even some in Alaska! Think about that. He’s not just campaigning in the states that are voting, unlike Hillary and Edwards, he’s everywhere.
beg pardon, but who he?
ROFLMAO! Blackfive. No shit? How on the planet did you come up with that?? Forshitsakes I’ve got one family squid and two going Marine, generations of Army, Navy and Marine. You think I want their asses fucking wasted by the fucked up civilian leadership we have? Gawd you pulled a Bush. You didn’t ask. You just assumed.
incontrolados, stay out of the political assignment business. You don’t ask enough questions and listen before pulling a stupid evaluation. We’re both for Edwards for each of our reasons. No I’m still not interested in your dogs.
Confirmed: Black Five
How did I do that, you ask S.O.?
My little 16.5 puppy Polly could have sniffed you out.
Go back and play with uncle jimbo.
Sliver was also a rabbit.
Puppies are sleepy.
incontrolados you’re a disappointment in your ignorance and arrogance. You wanted to insult you did. You suck. You win. Not interested in your ego. You should have left me alone. I never bothered you. You just had to be nasty and wretched. Seriously, fuck you.
Good luck placing your dogs. Call me blackfive if it makes you feel better. You deliver insults like an ignorant child that has no education, no mouth to ask and no ears to listen. No communication skills whatsoever.
Not all military family is gungho about our own dying and being fucked up for life for the ego old white men and their manhood issues. Nor are we all republican willing to sit home on our asses waiting desperately for manhood to miraculously come up on those whose asses are getting wider behind keyboards and desks.
Edwards man spoutin’, here:
After tonight’s speech, the Big O has me seriously considering a switch. Reason: Obama has appeal to independents, and really, really riles up the base. THIS IS NO SMALL CONSIDERATION WHEN CONTEMPLATING A McCAIN NOM.
Ahem. Sorry for shouting.
Still like to think of Edwards as a player past the primaries. But I don’t think as VP. As pointed out recently on the Rachel Maddow show, it makes sense to go with a military man for #2 if running against McCain. Think Webb.
So far as AG, I’d like to see Fitzgerald in that spot, m’self. For Edwards, why not HUD Secretary? Seems more up his alley.
Silver, sorry. You should calm down.
I recognize that. I’ve seen it before.
If you want to talk shit, I suggest you save it for the morrow. Like I said puppies are sleepy.
The VP…whether the Prez nominee is Clinton, Obama or even Edwards…should be Clark or Zinni….maybe Webb, but for heaven’s sake the man just got to the Senate, let him stay there and do some good!
Just a reminder, ppGaz’s first rule of the blogs:
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Do you have any idea how far one has to go to accept Webb? I do.
I am trying, but I still remember, though he has done and said lots to change my mind. . .
I even gave him money, I supported him, I gave his ‘fighting dems’ money. I live on hope, i know.
Even if Obama eventually wins the nomination, just for shits and giggles I’m hoping Hillary kicks ass on Super-Duper Tuesday.
I want to watch the Nattering Nabobs of Negativism have to eat shit again for pronouncing Hillary DOA (again)
They are having too much fun announcing her o-bitch-uary.
Annoy the media – vote for Hillary!
I’d champion a Clark VP nod, but that ain’t gonna happen if Obama gets the nom: too much bad blood between BO and the Clinton camp.
Zinni’s an intriguing idea, but can he stump?
Don’t catch yer drift, mate.
I have a bit of control, thank you very much.
I’m off to watch Inside Man — loves me some Spike Lee.
myiq — you are the drunk, I see.
incontrolados, It’s all you. Hiding behind puppies are sleeping is crap. Not good enough.
Obama can give a speech, and if you think about it, that is a large part of the job description, keeping America content. I’m not a fan, but he’s got the oratory down. Contentless, but pretty.
I’m disappointed by Edward’s vote total, but the reality is that potential Hillary voters are not going to go Edwards, they’ll go Obama – and they did in SC.
It looks a whole lot like Obama’s vote total will surpass the entire Dem 04 total, that’s a huge surge in voters. Republicans are looking at an electoral disaster.
S.P., back in the day, Webb was a Reagan Man. He wrote a piece for Parade and repeatedly refered to people in Viet Nam as pajama wearing people — I know that means something altogether different now, but I still remember. He was all for Reagan, and much like Obama, made that case.
HOWEVER he has been a stand up dude so far and when I have heard him make his case, he seems to have shifted to the left enough that I can support him.
Take it from a drunk, or not.
Watch out Silver, I think you are trying to make me famous.
Oh and S.O., one more comment about me and I will call you Jen.
Think about it.
Gotcha. And I think it all helps in appealing to the indies and the had-enuff R’s.
Also — dayam, it’s late. Why am I not yet drinking? It’s a veritable abomination, I tells ya.
Remember back in ’89 and ’90 when the media decided that GHW Bush just didn’t get “the vision thing”? Well Obama gets “the vision thing”. Man oh man does he get “the vision thing”!
“RedState: The Blog of Intelligent People?”
I’m glad to see Jonah Pantyloaded’s ideas are gaining traction. There’s nothing like fRighties making asses of themselves in unison.
Of course, they’ll come at any Demo candidate with the most vile shit they can think of. However, I think (rather hope) that shit will stick less to a “knight in shining armor” than to the same ol’ same ol’.
I’ve got to believe (or I want to believe) that the “liberal, socialist” bullshit is insignificant to a message of unity and change. Especially from an orator as gifted as Obama.
Then again, I’ve admittedly drunk the cool-aid with relish. So..there ya have it.
I remember really liking Bill Clinton…
The man was never as good a president as he should have been, which was a damn shame because the man had skills…but on the balance he wasn’t bad at all…
Always too damn cavalier about civil liberties (though a bit of a saint compared to bushco) but all the same, he was a good, competent president
But after these last couple of weeks I sort of hate him. Damn shame
NAFTA killed it for me with Clinton. IMO, there is no such thing as ‘free trade’. It is a catchall phrase that is supposed to sound good but in reality it unevenly pits our workers against what is little more than slave labor in other countries (like China). There is no leveling of the playing field, and we lose.
There will always be blue collar workers, and our nation was built by them. But if there are no jobs for them, you can bet that sooner or later there will be hell to pay for it.
Americans know that we have been going in the wrong direction for far too long. We want change, drastic change. Some argue that we do not know what we will get in an Obama presidency, but I counter that with the fact that I can damn well guess what we WILL get out of a Clinton presidency.
I will pass on that nightmare. Also, hearing “Clinton, Clinton, Clinton” in the news and online 24/7/365 x8 would be pure hell. Her presidency would only feed the right wing hate machine.
Obama throws the right a curveball. In reading right wing sites, I see a lot of confusion about him. The worst thing they can come up with is trying to disparage him using his middle name. Over at RedState, one regular there said that they will not be able to use the tactics they did on Kerry and that Obama’s record (or lack of) actually may help insulate him from the usual attacks.
Some republicans actually like Obama, and are not afraid to say so. That in itself says a lot. Many others prefer Hillary, but only because they feel that she will help to fire up their base and improve republican turnout.
If Obama gets the nod, I really believe that he stands a good chance of winning it all. I would not cry about that. Dodd/Gore were my guys, but Obama is a good choice too.
I’m thrilled with the result, especially as Obama managed to take 49% of the white vote. He’s a solid, across the board candidate, no matter what First Prick has to say about Jesse Jackson – 21st century race-baiting, amazing, signs of things to come.
Forget about thick skin; Obama’s going to need Kevlar grafts. Pay attention to the form and sources of the attacks.
I read the news today, oh boy
A cosmic metaphor for the Bush Administration, a deus ex machina if there ever was one. Here’s hoping it lands on the Pentagon.
This comment on the RedState thread made me laugh:
First bring back a memory of Lincoln’s time, then talk about African-Americans “serving”. Nice. Those guys ought to be Bush’s speech writers.
Odd, isn’t it, then that some of the most stirring speeches have been associated with people whose actions were pivotal moments in World history. Lincoln and the Gettysburg Address. FDR’s reaction to the Depression and to Pearl Harbor. Churchill’s rallying of the British people during World War II. JFK in Berlin.
By contrast, we have had terse speakers like Cheney and Rumsfeld bumble from disaster to disaster, shredding the Constitution as they go. And of course, there is the Deciderer himself, Dubya with his mangled rhetoric matching the baleful stupidity of his administration.
Added to this, we have Hillary riding unsteadily on Day One, the Experience Donkey, promising action. But apart from her admirable record in the Senate, what “actions” has she been responsible for? Her “years of experience” amount to little more than 35 years of back seat driving.
I really like the fact that Caroline Kennedy has stepped up and endorsed Obama. She is about as reclusive and neutral of a person can be in the world of politics. Nobody is going to be able to shoot a hole in her endorsement, though I am sure some lowlifes will try anyway. Caroline is a quiet and graceful person, and it says a lot that she has stepped up and said what she did about Obama. I think the last person she endorsed for president was Teddy in 1980.
I worry that Obama may just be a flash in the pan in regards to the rest of the primary wars. We have not heard the last of Clinton, and her latest move to try and force the seating of the Michigan and Florida delegates only shows that she is getting desperate. I find it interesting that HillBilly did not remove her name from the ballots in those states, and now she is saying that their delegates need to be counted (for her).
Same with the slick bit about Obama placing ads in Florida and that he is breaking the agreement not to campaign there. He did a nationwide ad buy, and since Florida and Michigan are part of the USA then the ads are going to run there anyway. Nice twist by Clinton though.
Bill’s parting shot dismissing SC as essentially inconsequential and his saying Jesse Jackson won SC too was pretty stupid and sounded almost racist in tone, IMO. If anyone wants to know how HillBilly will treat people who do not agree with her, look at her grace in losing SC. She left the state before the primary was over. She gave up and quit. Her ‘concession speech’ was nothing of the sort. Just more of the same ol’ pimping of her ass.
Such grace. Not. I would not vote for her if my life depended on it. At one time I excused her as I felt sorry for all of the attacks against her by the right. I even did the same for Bill, even feeling sorry for him and understanding why he lied about what he did. No more. Not after the raw display of power grabbing that is going on.
No third term. End the Clinton/Bush dynasty now and forever.
It sounds to me that Erick is trying to say that the South should be nothing but a bunch of Klan rallying racists. I mean they wouldn’t go and vote for a black man – right? Oh wait…….
I don’t see how this is so much different than democrats calling republicans a hotbed of homophobia while they have so many elected gays in their party.
The Other Steve
For the last time Daniel Craig is not GAY!
Yeah, and that was such an AWESOME career move for Powell, wasn’t it? Sheesh.
Here, take these lyin’ liar documents and goin’ read ’em to the E-United Nations fer us, won’t ya’ boy? Yeah, they respected him, like a tool they respected him.
Quietly changing it was the only way to sooth those guilty Christian hearts. Loudly changing it would have trashed the Southern Strategy.
Neil Stevens of RedState is my winner:
Respectfully, it’s not racist for me to conclude this. Considering the Democratic party is the party of institutionalized racism through affirmative action, set asides, quotas, Voting Rights Act gerrymandering, and what have you, and these people are themselves constantly saying that “race is always an issue in America,” I’m just taking them at their word.