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You are here: Home / Ignorance is Bliss

Ignorance is Bliss

by John Cole|  February 10, 200811:01 am| 100 Comments

This post is in: I Read These Morons So You Don't Have To

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K-LO, Saturday:

Rick, you must have seen the “I rather be waterboarded than vote for McCain” button I saw at CPAC. Disgraceful on multiple levels.

K-Lo, Thursday, after Romney stated that he was getting out of the race so the democrats couldn’t surrender to Osama:

In both the case of Fred Thompson, and now Mitt Romney, the best speech of each candidate’s respective campaign was his last.

Five years of listening to these fatheaded failures toady the administration line, smearing everyone as defeatists or traitors, and they are still up to the same old bullshit. On top of all the failed policies of this administration, there was this kind of rhetoric pushing me away. I honestly have never been more motivated to vote than I was in the 20+ years as a Republican, and I would be lying if I was just excited to vote for Obama. I am just as excited to vote against the K-Lo’s and the Levin’s and the rest of that repugnant and repellent crowd.

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  1. 1.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 11:13 am

    I am just as excited to vote against the K-Lo’s and the Levin’s and the rest of that repugnant and repellent crowd.

    I get that same warm fuzzy feeling every two years.

  2. 2.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 11:16 am

    This certainly fits with the title of this thread:

    In an interview with Fox News, President Bush argued that if his agenda and record are made central issues in the upcoming presidential election, then the Republican nominee stands “a better chance of winning” because the election won’t be about him

    You go Bubble Boy!

    And take Cheney with you!

  3. 3.

    Richard Bottoms

    February 10, 2008 at 11:20 am

    Your rage is even more fun to watch since you voted for them way back when.

    Forgiven but never forgotten.

  4. 4.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    February 10, 2008 at 11:28 am

    This certainly fits with the title of this thread:

    Earth to Bush!

    Earth to Bush!

    Earth to Bush!

    Tap. Tap. Tap. Jesus! Is this thing on?

  5. 5.

    Chuck Butcher

    February 10, 2008 at 11:42 am

    The problem, John, is where do you go from here, in 2,4,6,8 years? The Democrats aren’t going to go to small government, etc and without Bush but similar to today’s Republicans aren’t going to change w/o something catastrophic if then.

  6. 6.

    Ratufa

    February 10, 2008 at 11:42 am

    “So the democrats couldn’t surrender to Obama.” ?

    If Obama wins the nomination, this type of mistake is going to drive me nuts all through the election.

  7. 7.

    calipygian

    February 10, 2008 at 11:45 am

    I though K-Lo liked waterboarding.

    I guess what was distasteful wasn’t the actual torturing part.

    “I don’t see how [John McCain] wins the Republican nomination. I’m second to none in praising him on his surge leadership. But on a whole host of issues — including water boarding, tax cuts, and the freedom of speech — he’s not one of us.”

  8. 8.

    b-psycho

    February 10, 2008 at 11:50 am

    I assume the typo was deliberate, as a reminder of what the Republicans plan to do when their nominee is in place.

  9. 9.

    jrg

    February 10, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    “I rather be waterboarded than vote for McCain” button I saw at CPAC. Disgraceful on multiple levels.

    Yes, I heard that some members of the crowd were wearing purple heart band-aids, mocking McCain’s sacrifice in Vietnam. It’s a good thing that principled conservative columnists like Kathryn Lopez are going to nip this hateful talk in the bud.

    Because, you know, conservatives just started talking like this yesterday.

    Here’s a little axiom that Republicans should try to remember: “If you lay down with dogs, you catch fleas”.

    Social Conservatives may find this axiom to remember as follows: “If, hypothetically speaking, you had sex with a dog, God would give you fleas and your wife would leave you.”

  10. 10.

    John Cole

    February 10, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I assume the typo was deliberate, as a reminder of what the Republicans plan to do when their nominee is in place.

    Sadly, no.

  11. 11.

    MobiusKlein

    February 10, 2008 at 12:29 pm

    Purple Heart Band-aids == Spitting on the the troops.

    It was like showing up in blackface to the NAACP convention.

  12. 12.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    It appears they wouldn’t support St. Ronnie either:

    On Meet The Press, Dean David Broder either carefully gives the McCain naysayers in the GOP the opening they need to come back into the fold, or dismisses their importance outright by saying that even the Patron Saint of Republicans, Ronald Reagan, was not embraced by this same CPAC crowd.

    I had an interesting conversation with Frank Fahrenkopf who was the Republican National Committee Chairman when Ronald Reagan was President. And he was recalling that exactly the same people who were raising hell with John McCain now at CPAC and these other conservative conventions were doing the same thing with Ronald Reagan when Reagan was in the White House. And he said there is an element in that conservative wing of the Republican party that are just “agin-ers” and these folks have a limited constituency.

    These guys remind me of Molly Ivins’ comment about Phil Gramm: “Even his friends don’t like him.”

  13. 13.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    Oops – That second paragraph was the money quote, it should have been italicized.

  14. 14.

    Graeme

    February 10, 2008 at 12:48 pm

    I agree. I was happy to vote Obama on 2/5, and I’ll be happy to do it again. I voted Donk/Green for the first time in 2006, and it will feel good to do it again. It’s obvious they’re going to be in complete denial through November.

    And then what? I can’t wait to read the postmortems. It will be so amusing to watch NRO try to keep pointing fingers leftward when it’s their party and their lack of criticism of this 7+ years of bullshit that got us here.

    It will also be funny to read Instapundit. What will he do without his precious Iraq war to snark at the press about?

    None of these assholes carrying water for this Administration will have anything to jerk off to when they’re meeting up in the toilet stalls. I can’t wait.

    Yeah, I voted GOP in the past. That’s why I take it so personally. That’s why I can’t wait for November. I’ll show ’em a stab in the back!

  15. 15.

    NonyNony

    February 10, 2008 at 1:22 pm

    Chuck Butcher –

    The problem, John, is where do you go from here, in 2,4,6,8 years? The Democrats aren’t going to go to small government, etc and without Bush but similar to today’s Republicans aren’t going to change w/o something catastrophic if then.

    Life becomes a lot less frustrating once you realize that not only are the Republicans not going to change to be in favor of “small government, etc.”, they were never for most of those things in the first place. Limited government / state’s rights is just code for “we hate civil rights” – and the folks who didn’t realize this before found out glaringly during the Schaivo thing that Republicans don’t actually govern by “state’s rights” or “limited government” unless it benefits their pocketbooks.

    Once you realize that neither party has a coherent political ideology at its core, it becomes a lot easier to get pragmatic about US politics and start figuring out what the most important thing is for you each election cycle. Becoming a “party cheerleader” for either side is a recipe for heartbreak (or worse) unless you’re the political equivalent of a football fan – rooting for one “side” over another and acting as if “victory” for a party is a goal in and of itself.

  16. 16.

    Wilfred

    February 10, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    Blitzer asked John Boener how he would respond to Obama’s observation that the debt expanded from 4.5 trillion to 9 trillion under 7 years of Bush/Repubs. Answer: 9/11.

    Bush did the right thing for the people who chose him – all those fat defense contracts, untold numbers in the prescription drug benefit/racket. Wait till health care – a license to print money, even better than war.

    Once you realize that neither party has a coherent political ideology at its core,

    That’s not true at all. The ideology at the core of the Republican Party has always been:

    exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

    Obama’s right: Don’t just change the players, change the game.

  17. 17.

    Punchy

    February 10, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    Rick, you must have seen the “I rather be waterboarded than vote for McCain” button I saw at CPAC. Disgraceful on multiple levels.

    Shorter K-Lobes: I can haz grammah?

  18. 18.

    Ivan Ivanovich Renko

    February 10, 2008 at 1:51 pm

    Yeah, I voted GOP in the past. That’s why I take it so personally. That’s why I can’t wait for November. I’ll show ‘em a stab in the back!

    Now that’s funny.

    And let me tell you what’s even funnier:

    Welcome to the Negro vote!

    Ever since Lee Atwater, we’ve been tellin’ you folks that you were consorting with evil, but oh no, it was just pushing back against unchecked Federal power. State’s rights, y’all said. Welfare queens and forced busing, y’all said.

    Well, enlightement comes far better late than never, so…

    Welcome!

  19. 19.

    srv

    February 10, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Rolling Stone gives us the latest on those that keep us safe at night.

    Turns out there was a WMD scare at a Chicago food festival. It literally turned out to be a turd.

    You can’t make this shit up.

  20. 20.

    srv

    February 10, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    The two officers tell me about a close call at the Taste of Chicago food festival last year. Millions attend the annual street feast, with Chicago-style sausage and pizza and tamales on sale in booths along the lakefront. As with all major public events, the JTTF helped plan the security profile. A JHAT —a Joint Hazardous Assessment Team —set up at the festival, dotting the area with devices that detect signs of a chemical or biological or radiological attack. Suddenly, one of the devices went off: There was a radiological hit on one of the sniffers near a row of porta-potties. For an hour, the JHAT frantically tried to determine if Chicago had been struck by a “dirty bomb” —a weapon that spreads lethal radioactive material mixed with conventional explosives. Finally, after an anxious hour, the hit was traced to a particular outhouse —and the cause of the positive alert was determined.

    “Someone who had chemotherapy had just done a poop,” DeRosa says.

    h/t reddit

  21. 21.

    cbear

    February 10, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    My God, you mean somebody finally invented the mythical “shit detector”???

    Awesome.

  22. 22.

    Svensker

    February 10, 2008 at 2:28 pm

    Welcome to the same club I joined a few years earlier,John. When the scales come off, it really is like going from black and white to Technicolor. Now the job is to either convert the rest, or marginalize them — no playing with knives or nukes if you’re still wearing the blinders.

  23. 23.

    Jake

    February 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    “Someone who had chemotherapy had just done a poop,” DeRosa says.

    Clearly we need to arrest all cancer patients!

    Patients who get radiation therapy in DC cannot ride the Metro or go anywhere on The Mall for a few days after treatment. Those sniffer boxes are the reason why.

    Now, I’m not saying anyone with cancer should do this, but a fair amount of hilarity could ensue if they were to take the train downtown and walk around for a while.

  24. 24.

    Wilfred

    February 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm

    My God, you mean somebody finally invented the mythical “shit detector”???

    Somebody? America, pal. And hats off for the team that made the final confirmation.

  25. 25.

    Dug Jay

    February 10, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Don’t you just love these “red meat specials” of Mr. Cole? He must be getting paid by the number of visitors to his site as he continues to make the most deranged poster at Daily Kos look absolutely sane and rational by comparison.

  26. 26.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 3:01 pm

    Now, I’m not saying anyone with cancer should do this, but a fair amount of hilarity could ensue if they were to take the train downtown and walk around for a while.

    Imagine the fun if a whole bunch of them did it at the same time.

  27. 27.

    firebrand

    February 10, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    If they want to be waterboarded rather than vote for McCain, I say indulge them. Maybe the horrifying experience of that torture will finally knock some sense into those fat heads of theirs.

  28. 28.

    Doug Wieboldt

    February 10, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Go Firebrand!

    Since the only we’ll ever find out where all the Bush/Cheney skeletons are hidden, we should detain them on 1/20/09 and “render” them to Poland, Romania or Hungary for a few years of swimming lessons. Remember, it’s not torture, just enhanced interrogation.

  29. 29.

    Svensker

    February 10, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Dug Jay Says:

    Don’t you just love these “red meat specials” of Mr. Cole? He must be getting paid by the number of visitors to his site as he continues to make the most deranged poster at Daily Kos look absolutely sane and rational by comparison.

    firebrand Says:

    If they want to be waterboarded rather than vote for McCain, I say indulge them. Maybe the horrifying experience of that torture will finally knock some sense into those fat heads of theirs.

    Proving firebrand’s point rather well…

  30. 30.

    Digital Amish

    February 10, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    If I didn’t have children and grandchildren I wouldn’t mind watching the CPAC crowd drive the Republican party and their brand of conservatism accross the ditch and into a telephone pole. Sadly, with the Country riding in the back seat, the consequences seem a tad drastic at this point.

  31. 31.

    RSA

    February 10, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    John’s forays into wingerland prompted me to try The Corner. My favorite line is from Jonah Goldberg yesterday:

    One thing I would like to know is what it says about Matthew Dowd (a perfectly likable fellow) that he eagerly signed up to work for Bush but now thinks the man’s a moron. Makes you wonder about the guy’s judgment, to say the least.

    The funny thing is, there’s a sense in which we’re in agreement.

  32. 32.

    cbear

    February 10, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    I’m sure many of you have already seen this:

    soldier/dogs

    but, if not, go read a story that is both heartbreaking and wonderful.

  33. 33.

    John Cole

    February 10, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    If they want to be waterboarded rather than vote for McCain, I say indulge them. Maybe the horrifying experience of that torture will finally knock some sense into those fat heads of theirs.

    Wait a minute- are you going on record that waterboarding is torture?

  34. 34.

    Rick Taylor

    February 10, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Just in case you missed it, here’s the video of Jon Stewart’s response to Mitt Romney’s farewell speech.

  35. 35.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    February 10, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    John’s forays into wingerland prompted me to try The Corner. My favorite line is from Jonah Goldberg yesterday:

    One thing I would like to know is what it says about Matthew Dowd (a perfectly likable fellow) that he eagerly signed up to work for Bush but now thinks the man’s a moron. Makes you wonder about the guy’s judgment, to say the least.

    That was rich. My favorite quote from the post was when Jonah flip flops on Maher:

    Anyway, I broke my 6 year boycott to do the show (it was actually a boycott of Politically Incorrect, but I figured it should carry over) because of the book tour and all that.

    Shorter Jonah: I’m a whore. But only when money’s involved.

    Can you imagine what lovely gems will be ripe for the plucking when a Democrat resides at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

  36. 36.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    Karl Rove’s Amerika:

    Scott Horton, a native Alabaman, has been following the multitude of corruption trials which have been wracking Alabama under the Bush DOJ. A new wrinkle on the partisan witch hunt that seems to find Democrats as easy prey is the one case which the Alabama papers have been using to prove that the prosecution for corruption was bi-partisan. After all, Gary White, a Republican, had been convicted of corruption by the same US Attorney’s office, therefore, you can’t say they are just going after Democrats.

    Not so fast, says Scott Horton. Recently a judge ruled that the questionable circumstances around the Gary White prosecution were serious enough to warrant a review. Because it seems that Mr. White was being prosecuted for not providing false evidence that could be used to convict the former Democratic Governor Don Siegelman.

    Just when you think they can’t go any lower, they bring in the excavting equipment.

  37. 37.

    p.a.

    February 10, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    What would the World Court consider a worse torture, waterboarding or forced attendance at the CPAC convention?

  38. 38.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    February 10, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Just when you think they can’t go any lower, they bring in the excavting equipment.

    Scott Horton is part of my daily read and his coverage of the DOJ is remarkable. If these rat-bastards can get a sitting governor, regular citizens don’t have a chance. Throw these fuckers in a cell and give them the bastinado!

  39. 39.

    J Bean

    February 10, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    I normally am unable to read the Orange County Register for fear of stroke, however this morning’s Comment section was a hoot. There was one anti-“Democrat Party” column and a passel of columns hating on John McC. I walked home from the coffee shop with a spring in my step and a lilt in my heart.

  40. 40.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 5:31 pm

    Does John McCain have a reptilian brain?:

    “…a rather unflattering view of conservatives emerges from the studies. They are portrayed as dogmatic, routine-loving individuals, while liberals come across as free-spirited and open-minded folk.”

    The picture of G-Dub is worth the visit.

  41. 41.

    The Other Steve

    February 10, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Bush weighed in on Obamarama today during his fox news interview, claiming that the problem with Obama is he’s going to attack Pakistan.

    Someone check that guy into bellevue.

  42. 42.

    cbear

    February 10, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Karl Rove’s Amerika:

    The level of corruption under The Chimpus is so unprecedented and pervasive as to be almost indescribable, and, IMO, its most egregious example is in regards to the subversion of justice for political gain.

    Just try and imagine the utter lack of character, empathy, morals, and honor, it takes to deprive another human being of their fucking FREEDOM for political or financial gain.

    Frankly, I cannot—and can only pray that these people, somehow, someway are made to pay a price for their sheer inhumanity.

  43. 43.

    dslak

    February 10, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    claiming that the problem with Obama is he’s going to attack Pakistan.

    Even if that were true, at least there are guys in Pakistan who had something to do with 9/11. I hope Bush’s ego, coupled with Fox’s need to fellate him, results in him hoggig the spotlight as his presidency winds down. It can only hurt McCain.

  44. 44.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    February 10, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    I walked home from the coffee shop with a spring in my step and a lilt in my heart.

    I love the smell of napalm schadefreude in the morning. — LTC Bill Kilgore J Bean

    And believe you me, I’m with you.

  45. 45.

    demimondian

    February 10, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Tap. Tap. Tap. Jesus! Is this thing on?

    Paging Senator Craig…

  46. 46.

    myiq2xu

    February 10, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Paging Senator Craig…

    POTD!

  47. 47.

    Jake

    February 10, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    Maybe the horrifying experience of that torture will finally knock some sense into those fat heads of theirs.

    Nope. Sorry. That would require a fRighty to see a non-fRighty (and a non-American too boot) as a human being with feelings and fears just like theirs.

    Does. Not. Compute.

  48. 48.

    Jen

    February 10, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Myiq is cheerful in the face of Obama taking Maine!

    /myiq sez grumble, grumble, all those damn Sudanese emigrants in Maine stealin’ this thing from Hillary…

    j/k this thread is Troll-Free House Cookies

  49. 49.

    Jen

    February 10, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    Changing the subject to, as TZ said, the SS Clinton losing water….

    I say HRC wouldn’t concede to Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior. I don’t see her backing down before Obama has 2,025 delegates. Other opinions?

  50. 50.

    John S.

    February 10, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I don’t see her backing down before Obama has 2,025 delegates. Other opinions?

    Nope, she won’t.

    She will fight to the bitter end using every means possible until someone gets the hook to pull her off stage. She won’t give two shits about what is good for the party, and quite frankly, she would set the DNC on fire and leave it ruins if she thought it would mean winning.

    Aside from the fact that I am anti-oligarchy, this is one of my impressions of the Clintons: They really don’t give a rat’s ass about anybody except themselves. But hey, maybe she’ll prove me wrong if it comes down to that.

  51. 51.

    Ninerdave

    February 10, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    I truly don’t get the right.

    Washington stops the count with 87% reporting Huck is loosing by about 200 votes. McJoan has a rundown of what’s up here. Huck is rightly challenging the vote:

    Then over at Red State I read:

    CNN reports the difference between McCain and Huckabee as 242 votes, with 87% of the vote reported.

    Even if Rollins [on behalf of the Huck campaign] is right, I can’t help but think that the Huckabee campaign is acting like Sore/Loserman campaign in Florida, circa 2000.

    242 votes? As a voter, this is absolutely incredible to me. It’s bullshit. As a GOP voter, I’d be spitting mad. Add in the fact that WA state apparently has effectively two votes (read the McJoan article).

    Apparently to RedState, not having people’s votes count is no big deal.

  52. 52.

    Equal Opportunity Cynic

    February 10, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    @Ninerdave,

    In other words, a Republican candidate has an obligation to shut up and let the Washington caucus be stolen from him because otherwise, it weakens the GOP’s argument that Democrats should shut up and let elections be stolen from them?

    At least they’re being honest about their own corruption.

  53. 53.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    Apparently to RedState, not having people’s votes count is no big deal.

    No! You have got to be kidding! Wow, who would have ever guessed?

    /snark

  54. 54.

    Delia

    February 10, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    n other words, a Republican candidate has an obligation to shut up and let the Washington caucus be stolen from him because otherwise, it weakens the GOP’s argument that Democrats should shut up and let elections be stolen from them?

    Stands to reason. If you’re a party based on unquestioning, bootlicking subservience to authority, it’s gonna get really awkward if your peons start getting restive and demand that their votes, you know, actually count for something. Especially just after the authorities have settled on the New Leader and they’re trying to get everyone lined up behind him. This only makes their work that much harder and they don’t need that. All those young gooper followers might remember what it’s like to live in a democracy or something.

  55. 55.

    firebrand

    February 10, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    John Cole Says:

    Wait a minute- are you going on record that waterboarding is torture?

    I’ll even go so far to say that waterboarding is a *gasp* violation of the Geneva Conventions, and is thus a war crime!!!

  56. 56.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 10, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Headline News!

    Magical Unity Pony Spotted In Maine!

    Well, it was not exactly ‘spotted in Maine’. Rather, a very large pile of horse manure was found outside Clinton Campaign Headquarters in Bangor, Maine.

    Due to the sheer size and volume of the ‘special delivery’, it is assumed that the Magical Unity Pony was looking for a rest stop and found one.

  57. 57.

    Ninerdave

    February 10, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Two EOC and CL:

    Yeah I know, I know. 7+ years of listening to their screaming, reading their blog posts, etc. I didn’t think I could be shocked…but every once in a while, the do shock me. Well actually I’m beyond shocked.

    It’s the willful ignorance or blatant disregard for the constitution and traditions; you know, the traditions that didn’t originate in Leave it to Beaver, the ones that actually count, small things like oh the right to vote and be counted.

    It’s just jaw droping and it makes me, wanna fucking deport these people to, I dunno, a real dictatorship where they’ll feel comfortable.

  58. 58.

    Xanthippas

    February 10, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    “I rather be waterboarded than vote for McCain”

    That can be arranged.

  59. 59.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 11, 2008 at 12:01 am

    This just in: Clinton shuffles campaign team

    Clinton, who would be the first woman president, said in a statement that Maggie Williams, a top aide when she was first lady, had taken over from Patti Solis Doyle as her campaign manager. Solis Doyle will move into the role of senior adviser.

    Running out of money, replacing her campaign manager, one might think that the HMS First Woman President is taking on water.

  60. 60.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 11, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Naah, she is just rearranging the deck chairs. ;)

  61. 61.

    Z

    February 11, 2008 at 12:40 am

    Grand P– But schadefreude makes the MUP cry.

    Jen– myiq is only cheerful because the superdelegates, who have pledged in advance, have given Clinton a lead in delegates. I really think Obama is much more talented. It will really suck if she ends up winning, despite getting less of the popular vote, because she is much better connected.

  62. 62.

    TenguPhule

    February 11, 2008 at 12:52 am

    Another Edition of Stupid Marine being an Asshole

    Hadnott told investigators he forced the girl down and kissed her, but that he did not rape her, the official said.

  63. 63.

    TenguPhule

    February 11, 2008 at 12:53 am

    Running out of money, replacing her campaign manager, one might think that the HMS First Woman President is taking on water.

    No need to bring menopause into this.

  64. 64.

    myiq2xu

    February 11, 2008 at 12:59 am

    I say HRC wouldn’t concede to Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior. I don’t see her backing down before Obama has 2,025 delegates. Other opinions?

    I agree, and I expect that Obama will do the same.

    Eli and the Giants didn’t quit when the almost-perfect Patriots took the lead late in the game. There was time left on the clock and they played like they were in it to win it.

    Winners never quit, and quitters never win.

  65. 65.

    myiq2xu

    February 11, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Or, in the words of Leo Durocher: “Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.”

    He also said “Nice guys finish last.”

    I want a candidate who won’t give up until the last hanging chad is counted.

  66. 66.

    ladonne

    February 11, 2008 at 1:11 am

    Winners never quit, and quitters never win.

    Just on a sports metaphor level, hasn’t this been overrun by: If your’re not cheating, you’re not trying?

  67. 67.

    Johnny Pez

    February 11, 2008 at 1:12 am

    and a passel of columns hating on John McC.

    I do not love thee, John McCain
    The reason why, I can’t explain
    But this I know, and know it plain
    I do not love thee, John McCain

  68. 68.

    stickler

    February 11, 2008 at 1:56 am

    Jen, et al:

    Hillary is not nuts. If the handwriting is on the wall (… and the moving finger writes, and it writ “your fundraising sucks and you’re going to end up with a weak tie at best…”), then she’ll be realistic enough to accept some kind of (exorbitant) bribe to stand aside.

    Majority Speaker of the Senate, Ambassador to France, Secretary of State, or maybe Supreme Court Justice. Who knows. But all I know is, she’s flinty-eyed enough to jump the rails at a moment’s notice. A wild-eyed idealist she is not.

  69. 69.

    stickler

    February 11, 2008 at 1:57 am

    … or Majority Leader of the Senate, of course.

  70. 70.

    KG

    February 11, 2008 at 5:25 am

    The Clintons in Paris? That could be fun.

    I’m not sure I’d be too happy with either Clinton on the Supreme Court – mainly because I don’t know much of anything about their legal careers outside of what one can find on wikipedia. Of course, very few actual practicing lawyers have any sense of jurisprudence and legal theories (mainly because they are looking to get their client a win, rather than what the long term ramifications are) – which is why so few lawyer make actual good judges. What I guess I’m saying is I’d prefer someone who has spent a career in the legal profession, preferably doing appellate work. As a marker, I have no problem with John Eastman or Erwin Chemerinski on the bench (and not just because I know both of them and studied under one of them).

  71. 71.

    taodon

    February 11, 2008 at 6:29 am

    So, I’m following the story about the Washington State irregularities and asked the following question on Red State:

    I’m surprised that so many of you are so willing to casually dismiss the will of the voters. It is the American people who have cast their ballots in this contest, and 13% of them are being told their voice does not matter. Yet, some of you are fine with that. Care to tell me, and the other voters, exactly why?

    I received this response from Neil Stevens:

    Excuse me?

    You are a guest here, as a Democrat. Who do you think you are, coming into our home, and taking that attitude?

    If you want to badmouth us go back to Balloon Juice or something.

    So I did.

  72. 72.

    myiq2xu

    February 11, 2008 at 8:09 am

    Just on a sports metaphor level, hasn’t this been overrun by: If your’re not cheating, you’re not trying?

    “Cheeting” – Pinching an orange-colored loaf after a Cheetos binge.

  73. 73.

    Equal Opportunity Cynic

    February 11, 2008 at 8:37 am

    @ladonne:

    Just on a sports metaphor level, hasn’t this been overrun by: If your’re not cheating, you’re not trying?

    That was recently adopted as the official Southeastern Conference motto. The University of Southern California sued, claiming that they had come up with it first.

    And I haven’t even gotten into the steroids, the Tim Donaghy NBA game-fixing, the 2006 Italian Serie A scandal, etc. Yeah, sports is just a cesspool these days.

  74. 74.

    Equal Opportunity Cynic

    February 11, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Selective memory about my Patriots duly noted….

  75. 75.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 11, 2008 at 9:19 am

    While we spar over which Democrat will be elected, it might be wise to consider the composition of the electorate.
    The American electorate re-elected George W. Bush, 30% of the American electorate still approves of GWB’s job as president, 40% of them believe that Saddam had WMD’s, 64% believe that the Bible is literally true and the word of God.

    “These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”

  76. 76.

    myiq2xu

    February 11, 2008 at 9:55 am

    “These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.”

    Must be red clay, cuz they call them “red states.”

  77. 77.

    Jen

    February 11, 2008 at 9:55 am

    maybe Supreme Court Justice

    Ironically, Obama would be light-years better at that, too.

    I don’t see HRC on SCOTUS happening, but that would be a fun confirmation hearing…

  78. 78.

    Jen

    February 11, 2008 at 9:55 am

    maybe Supreme Court Justice

    Ironically, Obama would be light-years better at that, too.

  79. 79.

    Jen

    February 11, 2008 at 9:57 am

    Something tells me this isn’t going to go well at all…

  80. 80.

    Zifnab

    February 11, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Excuse me?

    How could asking why 13% of the Republican voters are being ignored be considered bad-mouthing?

    You know perfectly well. Can the rhetoric. (nt)

    Code Blue! Code Blue! Someone is making an intelligent observation! Tin Foil hats people! Stat! Stat! Stat!

  81. 81.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 11, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Something tells me this isn’t going to go well at all…

    Talk about your fruit of the poisonous tree. They’re going to try these people on capital offenses in a secretive kangaroo court using evidence obtained all or in part by torture.

    That sure will enhance our standing in the world. No wonder Mukasey refused to investigate the waterboarding: a nasty old investigation might have derailed this travesty. “Beacon of Democracy.” The only beacon of democracy that Bush knows about is the one he shoved up his ass for a reading light.

  82. 82.

    dslak

    February 11, 2008 at 10:24 am

    Something tells me this isn’t going to go well at all…

    They’s going to be a problem with figuring out just where the torture the government has now admitted that it inflicted on these people plays into sentencing them. In addition, if somebody’s going to be executed for a crime, they have the right to a fair and public trial.

    That’s what we learned on social studies class anyway, but that was all probably just a bunch of communist, hippy propaganda.

  83. 83.

    Tom Shipley

    February 11, 2008 at 10:31 am

    Along the same line. Andrew McCarthy talking about McCain:

    “Still, I don’t think he is a committed conservative, and his penchant for demonizing all opposition is, to me, extremely off-putting.”

    If he really feels that demonzing all opposition is off-putting, he must REALLY hate being a Republican.

  84. 84.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 11, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Something tells me this isn’t going to go well at all…

    $10 says that if they can’t dispose of kill the tortured witnesses terrorists by Inauguration Day, KSM et al. will “escape” Guantanamo to cause Havoc in Florida.

    Bush will “offer” to stay on another 3 months…

    Orders to shoot on site will be given. Who, exactly, to shoot on site will be left unclear.

  85. 85.

    Zifnab

    February 11, 2008 at 10:38 am

    In addition, if somebody’s going to be executed for a crime, they have the right to a fair and public trial.

    That’s what we learned on social studies class anyway, but that was all probably just a bunch of communist, hippy propaganda.

    You’ll note that those social studies class books were all printed before 9/11. And 9/11 did change everything.

    In all seriousness, though, this is truly sick. I honestly don’t know what the death penalty is supposed to accomplish on these guys. For those of you who missed the earlier episodes, the original 19 hijackers got the death penalty and they didn’t seem to mind.

    But you then have the question of how involved any of these six 9/11 accomplices were. And, I mean, seriously question. Are we executing the 9/11 “masterminds” or a bunch of groupies and shoe-shine boys? What crimes did these people actually commit? Are they terrorists or just victims of association? I don’t even know anymore. After all the bullshit of the last seven years, we could be running off to execute innocent men (as unlikely as that seems). But, if this was such an open-and-shut case, why both with the closed door kangaroo courts? The whole affair reeks of fraud. Slaughtering a few scapegoats won’t make America any safer, but it will go a long way towards blasting away our civil liberties for a pittance of psychological comfort.

    Who the hell wants to make that trade?

  86. 86.

    ThymeZone

    February 11, 2008 at 10:42 am

    I say HRC wouldn’t concede to Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savio

    Imaginary HRC speech:

    Look, I like Jesus Christ, I liked him before this campaign, and I will will like him after it’s over.

    But Jesus and I have serious differences on issues like healthcare and foreign policy. Jesus’ plan will leave 15 million Americans unhealed, mine insures universal care. Jesus will go into the temple with the Iranians, I will hold those Iranians to standards set by the internation community of nations before I talk with them.

    Is Jesus ready to govern next January, to hit the ground running? I think that’s a legitimate question. Well, I am ready, I know what to do on the first day.

  87. 87.

    4tehlulz

    February 11, 2008 at 10:44 am

    OT: Tom Lantos, RIP

  88. 88.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 11, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Are we executing the 9/11 “masterminds” or a bunch of groupies and shoe-shine boys?

    Well, see, that’s the FUN part.

    They were the closest things to the “masterminds” we ever got our hands on…

    … but we tortured them to “find that out”

    … and now we don’t really know whether they are masterminds

    … and now what’s remaining of their mental capacity means they’re nothing BUT a bunch of shoe-shine boys.

    I swear, the Bush Administration has given us all many beautiful lessons in irony.

  89. 89.

    The Other Steve

    February 11, 2008 at 10:51 am

    ThymeZone – Good speech but you didn’t mention the first day quite enough.

  90. 90.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 11, 2008 at 10:52 am

    OT: Tom Lantos, RIP

    Died, in office, at 80.

    Tip o’ tha hat to ya, Lantos. You did good, sir.

  91. 91.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 11, 2008 at 10:54 am

    But you then have the question of how involved any of these six 9/11 accomplices were.

    “Ahh, but the strawberries that’s… that’s where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with… geometric logic… that a duplicate key to the wardroom icebox DID exist, and I’d have produced that key if they hadn’t of pulled the Caine out of action. I, I, I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officers…”

  92. 92.

    ThymeZone

    February 11, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Is Jesus ready to hit the ground running?

    My friends, Jesus wears sandals. Sandals. Have you tried to run in sandals? They flip, they flop, they slow you down.

    I will run in track shoes and I will run with your voice and run away from the policies of George.W.Bush.!

  93. 93.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 11, 2008 at 11:01 am

    …And Jesus heals the sick – at no charge! Do you have any idea what that will do to our fine market-based health care system? Healing the sick for free just shows that Jesus is too naive and dangerously out of touch to be president.

  94. 94.

    The Other Steve

    February 11, 2008 at 11:04 am

    OT: Tom Lantos, RIP

    That’s very sad.

  95. 95.

    Cain

    February 11, 2008 at 11:12 am

    And Jesus can feed the masses with bread and wine. Do you have any idea what that would do to our food industry? Feeding the population for free just shows that Jesus is to naive and dangerously out of touch to be president.

    cain

  96. 96.

    ThymeZone

    February 11, 2008 at 11:23 am

    My friends, we don’t have time for a president to go out into the desert to find answers, to find himself, to wander and think and ponder while terrorists are plotting to harm you and your children and your fluffy kitten.

    Jesus has shown us how he will handle that kind of pressure, he’ll disappear while he wanders aimlessly, while he hesitates. My 35 years of { unintelligible } make me ready to smite the enemy on the first day. To smite first and ask questions later.

  97. 97.

    Z

    February 11, 2008 at 11:26 am

    Not to mention Jesus’s extremely negative attitude toward the financial section of this country (ie money changers). As it stands, our financial sector is in trouble! The last thing we need, in the face of the mortgage crisis, is a revival of anti-usary laws!

  98. 98.

    ChrisA

    February 11, 2008 at 11:49 am

    I was pretty nonchalant about politics until the FREEPER stunts in Florida in 2000. Only heightened by the shenanigans in Ohio in 2004. I’ve been steadily donating, albeit small amounts, to various Democratic candidates since then 2000. More every year.

    I grew up in what was conservative/republican part of my state. Those kind of fiscal/international conservative republicans are long gone from the GOP; including what used to be moderate republicans from the north-east.

    NONE of the current GOP passes for what I remember as conservative or republican.

    I don’t plan on voting for another republican in my lifetime. The current incarnation of the GOP needs to be ground into the dust and then have salt spread over the dirt so that NOTHING like it ever grows out of the same soil.

    Hopefully something better can be reformed at some later date, because we do need some sort of balance for our system of government to work.

    The CPAC, Limbaugh’s, Hannity’s et. al. need to be marginalized & scoffed into oblivion.

  99. 99.

    Original Lee

    February 11, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    If y’all felt the earth shift left a few inches on Sunday, blame my white, elderly, curmudgeonly Reagan Democrat neighbor, who announced his intention of voting for Obama.

  100. 100.

    myiq2xu

    February 11, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Jesus wears sandals. Sandals. Have you tried to run in sandals? They flip, they flop, they slow you down.

    I can’t believe you called Jesus a flip-flopper.

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