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by John Cole|  February 10, 20089:41 am| 30 Comments

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The dig at Christopher Cross on CBS Sunday Morning was pretty damned funny. And deserved.

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  1. 1.

    Pixie

    February 10, 2008 at 10:09 am

    uh…what happened?

  2. 2.

    Xenos

    February 10, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Was that Christopher Cross as in ‘Sailing’, or Christopher Cross as in ‘Jump, Jump’?

    Whatever, the 80s were a benighted time…

  3. 3.

    DougJ

    February 10, 2008 at 10:23 am

    What’s everyone’s favorite Christopher Cross song?

    Me, I celebrate the man’s entire catalog.

  4. 4.

    ThymeZone

    February 10, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Thank God, there’s a football game today.

  5. 5.

    Randy Paul

    February 10, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    Yeah, I’m watching Chelsea v Liverpool: 0-0 at the half.

    Xenos,

    You’re thinking of Criss Cross.

  6. 6.

    Dulcie

    February 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    Christopher Cross songs are directly responsible for me losing two molars.

  7. 7.

    coachtrenks

    February 10, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    The only decent Fox network in the USA..Fox Soccer Channel.

    I STILL won’t pay for it. *sigh*

    As for Criss Cross…I’m gonna dress with my clothes on backwards today..and Jump.

  8. 8.

    Randy Paul

    February 10, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    I’m also following the African Cup of Nations Final between Egypt and Cameroon: 0-0 in the 33rd minute.

    Interesting fact: Cameroon got its name because when Vasco da Gama was traveling around the region on his way to India, they noticed a great deal of shrimp around the Wouri River and named the area Camarões, the Portuguese word for shrimp (which remains the name in Portuguese now).

  9. 9.

    reid

    February 10, 2008 at 1:43 pm

    People, “k” is so much cooler than “c”…. It’s Kris Kross.

  10. 10.

    Randy Paul

    February 10, 2008 at 2:15 pm

    Congratulations to Egypt. They defended their title by beating Cameroon 1-0.

  11. 11.

    jcricket

    February 10, 2008 at 2:39 pm

    Looks like Republicans are up to their old vote suppression tactics again. Only this time it’s against one of their own!

    Sure, it could be some totally normal reason for announcing final results before the last 13% of the vote is counted. Or, it could be the Republican party wants McCain to really be able to grab the front-runner title, and “Huckabee sweeps 3 states” goes against that meme.

    Still quite weird. The whole primary thing is so weird, the way the parties are different, the caucus v. primary issue, the super delegates (in the case of the Dems). Seems unnecessarily complex.

  12. 12.

    Geoduck

    February 10, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    The Washington State GOP party is capable of absolutely anything, both in terms of evil and jaw-dropping inepitude.

  13. 13.

    Cain

    February 10, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    The oregon GOP has been trying to do something to excite GOP voters. But I think they are screwed. Especially with stuff like this.

    BTW it looks pretty likely that Obama is going to take Maine. Way to go, O-man.

    cain

  14. 14.

    jcricket

    February 10, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    The Washington State GOP party is capable of absolutely anything, both in terms of evil and jaw-dropping inepitude.

    I think mostly the latter. Combined with party switching, electing closeted homosexuals, and bringing up spurious voter fraud allegations, the WA GOP is trying really hard to become totally irrelevant.

    If this kind of thing continues how long until more states are like Hawaii (greatly than 2/3rd majority Democrats in both state house/senate chambers)?

  15. 15.

    demimondian

    February 10, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    So, do you think that the US Attorney for the Western District of the State of Washington will be “encouraged” to investigate this particular instance of vote fraud?

  16. 16.

    The Other Steve

    February 10, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    The oregon GOP has been trying to do something to excite GOP voters. But I think they are screwed. Especially with stuff like this.

    They should promise everybody a pony.

  17. 17.

    demimondian

    February 10, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    You do realize that all this means is that the fault line at the bottom of Lake Washington will become of interest to the Democratic party in both a physical and a metaphorical sense, right? Hell, in the last election in Redmond, the Republican was to the left of the Democrat. The Democrat won, all the same.

  18. 18.

    Psycheout

    February 10, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    After trailing Huckabee most of the night in the Washington state caucus, the state GOP stopped counting the votes at 87% after McCain got a 200+ vote lead. They promptly called the race for JMac and shut down for the weekend. What’s up with that? Why bother counting 1 in 8 votes so long as the presumptive front runner is ahead? Ahem.

    I can understand not counting Democrat votes, but Republicans disenfranchising their own? Unbelievable!

    Huckabee’s campaign is calling for an investigation.

    Was this an attempt to prevent an embarrassing night for John McCain? Perhaps we’ll know tomorrow if the state officials like the results after counting the rest of the votes.

    I hope you’re feeling better, John Cole.

  19. 19.

    Psycheout

    February 10, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Sure, it could be some totally normal reason for announcing final results before the last 13% of the vote is counted. Or, it could be the Republican party wants McCain to really be able to grab the front-runner title, and “Huckabee sweeps 3 states” goes against that meme.

    You may have nailed it, jcricket. Perhaps the state GOP already knows the results and are delaying it for a couple of days. Wouldn’t want to embarrass McCain, now would we?

    If Huckabee did sweep on Saturday (like Obama did), it would encourage other voters to make a protest vote against McCain. I don’t think the party wants that to happen. Instead they want to figure out how McCain’s going to win against Obama or Clinton.

  20. 20.

    borehole

    February 10, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    DougJ–

    “Ride Like the Wind.” As though there’s another plausible response.

    I be rockin’ that shit at karaoke. And motherfuckers wanna front like they ain’t down with CC, but they all be joinin’ in on the Michael MacDonald backup vocals when the chorus kicks in, the frontin’ motherfuckers.

    I do harbor some doubts as to whether Mr. Cross is, indeed, the son of a wanted man. Something about an album with a hit single about yachting and a flamingo on the cover just says “stable upbringing” to me.

  21. 21.

    stuck in 200

    February 10, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Last I heard, Christopher Cross was convinced the rise of MTV had robbed him of a lengthy successful music career. Really quite bitter about it. He had the classic looks made for radio, so perhaps he had a point. “Ride Like the Wind” and “Sailing” were catchy enough.

  22. 22.

    jcricket

    February 10, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    So, do you think that the US Attorney for the Western District of the State of Washington will be “encouraged” to investigate this particular instance of vote fraud?

    No. SASQ.

    Like everything, Republicans are the party of projection when it comes to voter fraud.

    I love how Republicans are clinging to this whole line about Gregoire stealing the election and Rossi riding back in this year to restore order to the force (or something like that). I’ll admit that Gregoire’s pretty bad at PR/marketing, but the chances of Republicans taking any statewide office in WA are none to less-than-none. Especially if you throw in scandals like Rep. Curtis :-)

    You may have nailed it, jcricket. Perhaps the state GOP already knows the results and are delaying it for a couple of days. Wouldn’t want to embarrass McCain, now would we?

    I have zero doubt that McCain will be the nominee (esp. because of the winner-takes-all delegate allocation in most Republican primary/caucuses). However, they want to claim he’s already won, have the other candidates drop out, and then hammer the Democrats “indecision” (their frame) for the next 6 months.

    A prolonged primary battle, especially when there’s a clear front-runner, would be nothing but a big stick-in-the-eye to the GOP. It would further highlight the fissures and divisions that threaten to tear the party apart.

    That the Democratic front-runners are tied makes it much less of an issue if they continue in the race for quite some time. Again, having two super candidates means they should seriously consider a combined ticket. I think it would be virtually unstoppable because of the voter turnout it would engender on the Democratic side.

  23. 23.

    jcricket

    February 10, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    PS. I just read that Luke Esser relented and they will continue to count the votes. Of course Huckabee’s pressing ahead with the lawyers anyway (he even manages to reference Gregoire v. Rossi in his “defense”). I do like that the only recent actual electoral fraud causes involve Republicans.

    Law & Order party my ass. More like the Crime and Un-just Punishment Party.

  24. 24.

    demimondian

    February 10, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    I’d look forward to the bloodletting in the WSRP if I didn’t know that it would mean the “cut taxes and raise fees” crowd would simply put the label “D” on their jackets, instead.

    Tim Eyman, democrat…

  25. 25.

    D-Chance.

    February 11, 2008 at 10:13 am

    So Washington, home to a Democrat governor who’s only there because her party stole an election in 2006, is involved in another voting scandal? Color me surprised… Seattle is the Chicago of the West Coast. Vote early, vote often, and if you can’t vote… don’t worry, we’ll dig up a full ballot box from somewhere with your vote(s) in it.

  26. 26.

    D-Chance.

    February 11, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Did you know that Obama is this generation’s Richard Nixon?

    Paul Krugman sez so, so it must be true.

    In fact, these days even the Democratic Party seems to be turning into Nixonland.

    …

    I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again.

    What’s particularly saddening is the way many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of “Clinton rules” — the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent.

    First, drunk Mo(Obambi)Do, then Frank (Hil’s racist, I tell ya) Rich, now Krugman… I guess the liberal NY Times editorial staff haven’t hitched their wagon with that Democrat MUP yet.

  27. 27.

    skip

    February 11, 2008 at 10:49 am

    For all the apocalypic reasons being floated about, what really is at stake in their minds is years of carefuly cultivated access come to naught. They want the same old Donny Graham privileges. It is after all the coin of the pundit realm.

    Obama means new players. But sharing isn’t part of the culture. The prize is is a spot on those TV analysis shows, and a celeb seat at McCormick & Schmick’s.

    All worthless if new people com in.

  28. 28.

    jcricket

    February 11, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Tim Eyman, democrat…

    Yeah – I can’t wait for Timmy to die off (politically, I mean). Having WA turn into California because of initiatives is not a good thing.

    I wish, above all wishes, that Americans would really grok there’s no such thing as a free lunch. And sometimes, things cost more than they used to (see aging infrastructure, schools, teacher salaries, more police, big transit/road projects) due to deferred maintenance, inflation, population growth and/or bad planning in the past.

    You either cut services (which no one, outside of Ron Paul, really wants to do), or you raise taxes. Period. And if you don’t want to be “nicked and dimed” by increases in property taxes, sales taxes, gas taxes, you shrink/eliminate the regressive taxes and replace them with a progressive income tax.

    Period. No other way around it.

    That Americans believe there is some magical no-tax but spend fairy (GW Bush?) out there is the most harmful idea to invade the American psyche since prohibition and interment camps.

  29. 29.

    jcricket

    February 11, 2008 at 11:12 am

    So Washington, home to a Democrat governor who’s only there because her party stole an election in 2006, is involved in another voting scandal?

    First of all, dumbass, it’s 2004, not 2006. Second, this scandal is all Republican. Your illustrious GOP party chair decided to stop counting votes in your caucus.

    Oh, and third, the GOP was never able to come anywhere close to proving voting fraud, despite the most observed election counting process in US history. The judge even admonished them of this fact, stating that repeated claims of voter fraud and “election stealing” because there were the legally required multiple counts (yes, the law requires recounts when the vote is that close) do not prove jack shit (paraphrasing here).

    Just like the recent Supreme Court case about Illinois voting fraud/license requirements – Republicans are all talk, no proof.

  30. 30.

    Michael Bloom

    February 11, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Never liked Christopher Cross myself. Contrary to his rep as a talented and soulful singer, his performance on “Ride Like the Wind” is stale white bread, largely on one note, and with an overall range of half an octave. To me he represents the point where Southern California mellow declared artistic bankruptcy.

    The cool thing about the McCain campaign is that it nicely encapsulates the fulcrum on which Republican electoral leverage will fracture. If he “wins” the general, nobody will believe it wasn’t stolen.

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