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Afternoon Open Thread

by John Cole|  February 12, 20083:20 pm| 65 Comments

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If, in actuality, Obama does suck without a teleprompter (he doesn’t, he is a magnificent speaker with or without one), wouldn’t that make him Reaganesque?

Consider this an open thread.

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  1. 1.

    Grand Moff Texan

    February 12, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    I PAID FOR THIS TELEPROMPTER!!!
    .

  2. 2.

    Ninerdave

    February 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Great book:

    Gang Leader For a Day

    Couldn’t put it down and finished it in one day.

  3. 3.

    Mr Furious

    February 12, 2008 at 3:30 pm

    The FISA Court and statute is no longer the EXCLUSIVE governing authority for how surveillance can be conducted in America. It’s wide fucking open now.

    Oh, and telecoms get immunity.

    Fucked over retroactively and going forward. Nice job Reid and the rest of you fucking clowns.

    And a special “Fuck You!” to Hillary for making sure she got a 21-day jump on her Texas sandbag wall and skipping the vote altogether.

  4. 4.

    Zifnab

    February 12, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    The FISA Court and statute is no longer the EXCLUSIVE governing authority for how surveillance can be conducted in America. It’s wide fucking open now.

    Oh, and telecoms get immunity.

    We can always pray that the House smacks it down. They’ve got their own FISA Bill on the table – the RESTORE Act – so it would be nice if at least one branch of Congress showed some balls.

    I’m not really expecting much, but its nice to dream. We’re not quite screwed yet.

  5. 5.

    Jen

    February 12, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    FWIW (not very much), internet petition to the House on this bill…

  6. 6.

    cleek

    February 12, 2008 at 3:37 pm

    shorter Dems: Nader was right: there is no difference.

  7. 7.

    ThymeZone

    February 12, 2008 at 3:47 pm

    One thing you can say about Reagan: He always hit his mark.

  8. 8.

    TheFountainHead

    February 12, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    One thing you can say about Reagan: He always hit his mark.

    Not something you can always say about Cheney.

    /shiteatinggrin

  9. 9.

    Jen

    February 12, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    Also Reaganesque, appeal to the opposing party. Two Obamacans just in this story.

  10. 10.

    Billy K

    February 12, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    I was over at The Great Orange Satan, being pissed off at the FISA/immunity vote today, and somewhere in the comments someone linked to this.

    I’ll be damned if it doesn’t explain exactly (it was written in 2005) how Obama and the MUP are drawing and speaking to these immense crowds. But more importantly, it goes into detail about how this isn’t just bipartisan compromise for the sake of compromise – it says how Liberals haven’t been pushing hard enough and haven’t been getting anything out of compromises.

    Basically, he’s saying it’s time to shift the Overton Window back to the left by engaging the “other side,” and I’ll be damnded if that’s not exactly what he’s doing right now.

    Oh, and also he penned the piece himself. It’s a wonder to read. (Yes, the MUP got glitter in my eyes today.)

  11. 11.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 12, 2008 at 4:00 pm

    Anybody concerned about human rights may want to look at this:

    h/t Sully

  12. 12.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 12, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    From govtrack.us

    Senate Vote #19 (Feb 12, 2008)
    On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture Re. S. 2248 )

    New Jersey
    Nay NJ Lautenberg, Frank [D]
    Nay NJ Menendez, Robert [D]

    Jersey represent!

    New York
    Nay NY Schumer, Charles [D]
    No Vote NY Clinton, Hillary [D]

    Schumer did as I told him. Good boy. You get to keep my vote.

    Clinton, yet again, spineless as always.

    I bet Obama was spineless, too.

    Illinois
    Nay IL Durbin, Richard [D]
    Nay IL Obama, Barack [D]

    Hrmmmm…

    Come-on, empty. Gimme some spin.

  13. 13.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 12, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Errg, sorry about the formatting guys. Lets try that again:

    New Jersey
    Nay     NJ     Lautenberg, Frank [D]
    Nay     NJ     Menendez, Robert [D]

    New York
    Nay     NY     Schumer, Charles [D]
    No Vote     NY     Clinton, Hillary [D]

    Illinois
    Nay     IL     Durbin, Richard [D]
    Nay     IL     Obama, Barack [D]

  14. 14.

    The Other Steve

    February 12, 2008 at 4:09 pm

    Basically, he’s saying it’s time to shift the Overton Window back to the left by engaging the “other side,” and I’ll be damnded if that’s not exactly what he’s doing right now.

    Ah ha! Our secret MUP plan is finally unveiled by a 2005 post.

    Ride the Magical Unity Pony! RIDE!

  15. 15.

    calipygian

    February 12, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    Dean Barnett is a fucking idiot who has no idea what the fuck he is talking about. I saw Obama speak at a Jim Webb rally a few years ago and the lesson I took away was, when running for office, don’t let Obama campaign for you because when you get up on stage, the paramedics will be rushing up there looking fora pulse.

    Webb looked like a tree stump after Obama got done.

    I wish Obama had the chance to run against Bush. Obama would have sent Bush back drooling, to play with his Legos, Lincoln Logs and Hot Wheels or what ever the fuck Bush does in his spare time. Falling off Segways, I guess.

  16. 16.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 12, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    Here’s the Roll Call on the Dodd Amendment to strip telco immunity from the FISA Act. Most of the votes were predictable – with the exception of Jim Webb who voted “Nay.” That took some of the shine off of his halo for me.

    As mentioned above, Hillary did not vote. No big deal, it wasn’t that important – eh, Hils? Gotta’ keep that telco money coming in. Besides, I hear that the HMS Clinton remains caught on a sandbar so the good Senator from New York is probably busy rearranging the deck chairs.

  17. 17.

    wasabi gasp

    February 12, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Obama may be the shit with or without a telepromter, but Bush would blow him away in a earpiece/batterypack-off.

  18. 18.

    Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill

    February 12, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Billy K,

    Thank you, so much, for posting that piece. I just recently started poking around Kos, and would have totally missed this.

  19. 19.

    srv

    February 12, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    The War in Berkeley begins.

  20. 20.

    Z

    February 12, 2008 at 4:46 pm

    The War in Berkeley begins.

    That is just disgraceful. As if the Marines don’t have enough to deal with already.

  21. 21.

    Punchy

    February 12, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    Shorter Obama: I cant haz werd masheen?

  22. 22.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 12, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    The War in Berkeley begins.

    Ah, The People’s Republic of Berkeley. When I went to school there in the Sixties the students were the freaks and the City Council was straight. Now I hear it’s the other way ’round.

  23. 23.

    Z

    February 12, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    I would assume its because those same student got older and joined the city council.

  24. 24.

    Teak111

    February 12, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    Nay on the Dodd amendment, Christ. Fucking Feinstein is done in Cali. That is it!

  25. 25.

    Face

    February 12, 2008 at 4:54 pm

    The 6-3 vote on that item caused a nationwide backlash against the city, prompting Republicans in Washington and Sacramento to introduce legislation to take away money for things like school lunches and police communications equipment.

    Because it’s always a reasonable response to a city council vote to fuck over school children and the safety of the state’s law enforcement.

  26. 26.

    Jen

    February 12, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Yes, thanks Billy K. That man is teh awsum. It gives me the giggles just to think about what Bush would post to a right-wing blog.

  27. 27.

    Billy K

    February 12, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    with the exception of Jim Webb who voted “Nay.” That took some of the shine off of his halo for me.

    Yep. That hurt. I don’t donate a lot. You really have to be “special” to get my dough, but Webb got more from me in 2006 than anyone. He’s generally been a good Senator (from what I’ve seen), so I guess this is his mulligan; but damn…

  28. 28.

    Dug Jay

    February 12, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    That’s an interesting story out of Berkeley, srv.

    As somebody once observed, “It sometimes seems as if God had tilted the United States in such a way as to cause all the loose nuts to roll across the country and settle in Berkeley, California.”

  29. 29.

    The Other Steve

    February 12, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    The War in Berkeley begins.

    This is pretty pathetic on both sides. I don’t understand why the military would be out protesting. Seems like they don’t have enough to do or something.

  30. 30.

    The Other Steve

    February 12, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    It gives me the giggles just to think about what Bush would post to a right-wing blog.

    He might get 25 responses on redstate of “Mega ditto!”

  31. 31.

    Rudi

    February 12, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    The Wingnuts looked at McClowns kitchen counters and found that Soros Construction poured the concrete.
    Bad Soros
    Really bad Soros
    Soros Unhinged

  32. 32.

    Zifnab

    February 12, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    This is pretty pathetic on both sides. I don’t understand why the military would be out protesting. Seems like they don’t have enough to do or something.

    It doesn’t look like the military was out protesting. A few little old ladies with walkers and their grandparents’ war memorabilia and a bunch of other middle-aged hippie women, but that’s about it.

    That said, Dreggas and TZ and a few of the other locals have been asking for the torches and pitchforks to come out against this travesty of a war. There’s your torches. There’s your pitchforks. I’m not complaining. Heck, if Berkley wasn’t a thousand miles away, I’d be happy to join them. At this stage of the game, the military can hold the Iraq bag with the rest of us. Recruiting offices will get no pity from me.

  33. 33.

    binzinerator

    February 12, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    One thing you can say about Reagan: He always hit knew his mark.

    Fixed to acknowledge his role as the leading confidence man in the big conservative con.

  34. 34.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 5:12 pm

    Is it wrong to want to vote for Hillary to see Andrew Sullivan throw a fit? (or a bigger fit than he is throwing now)?

    Not that I already haven’t, but when can Sullivan be thrown in with the rest of the right-wing morons? He’s as irrelevant as Buckley, as shrill as Hitchens (and as British) and as racist as, I dunno, a lot of Republicans.

    Is it that he’s gay and writes 40,000+ word imepenetrable prose-style blog posts that get people to “take him seriously”?

  35. 35.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    As somebody once observed, “It sometimes seems as if God had tilted the United States in such a way as to cause all the loose nuts to roll across the country and settle in Berkeley, California.”

    Really? I like to think of America somewhat as a toilet bowl, with the south being the slightly tilted to the right bottom of the bowl where all the shit flows down to.

  36. 36.

    Jake

    February 12, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    If you get your water from Lake Mead, you might want to stark stockpiling aqua and ammo.

  37. 37.

    gypsy howell

    February 12, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    Jim Webb can go fuck himself. Wasn’t he supposed to be one of those “more and better democrats?” Once a republican, always a republican, I guess.

    I pity the next democratic fundraiser who calls me…

    And Billy K – this aint no golf game. No mulligans.

  38. 38.

    Bubblegum Tate

    February 12, 2008 at 5:22 pm

    Ah, The People’s Republic of Berkeley. When I went to school there in the Sixties the students were the freaks and the City Council was straight. Now I hear it’s the other way ‘round.

    When I first moved out to Oakland, I had a coworker who had been a Berkeley freak in the ’60s. The way he explained it actually made a lot of sense: “If your parents were a bunch of left-wing freakout hippies, what are you gonna do for your teenage rebellion? Smoke weed and listen to protest music? Hell no, you go the exact opposite direction of your parents–which means becoming a right-wing square.”

  39. 39.

    chopper

    February 12, 2008 at 5:23 pm

    As mentioned above, Hillary did not vote. No big deal, it wasn’t that important – eh, Hils?

    bill must have had surgery today.

  40. 40.

    Billy K

    February 12, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Is it that he’s gay and writes 40,000+ word imepenetrable prose-style blog posts that get people to “take him seriously”?

    Who takes him seriously? Who?

    I’ll admit he’s a good writer; he just has no real ideas and no core convictions from what I can tell. He’s a leaf in the wind.

    (Honestly, I think it’s just his accent that keeps him on TV.)

  41. 41.

    curtadams

    February 12, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Hill not showing had no effect on the final cloture – no vote is the same as nay on cloture. However, she *did* endanger Feinstein’s amendment. Feinstein got 57 Ayes. Had Hillary been there two more votes (always a possibility, especially when it’s likely the next President is voting for it) would have passed it.

  42. 42.

    Billy K

    February 12, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    Jim Webb can go fuck himself. Wasn’t he supposed to be one of those “more and better democrats?” Once a republican, always a republican, I guess.

    Well…he was supposed to be our only chance of taking a seat in Virginia. He’s been pretty good up til now. Better than I expected for a Reagan cabinet member. I don’t want to turn my back on the guy for one….OK, yes I do. Kinda like Biden’s vote for the bankruptcy bill. Some things are just hard to forgive.

    Oh wait – didn’t Clinton vote for that, too?

  43. 43.

    sparky

    February 12, 2008 at 5:45 pm

    myiq=pie:
    Glad to see that those 35 years of experience paid off for Clinton today. She really showed the GOP, didn’t she? Nothing like not voting! Really ran the table against those evil Rs, not like that silly Obama who actually foolishly voted against Georgie. Nice.

    PS: AT&T called. They said you can turn off the megaphone now. Oh, and stop making those other calls, too. They said you’d know the ones they were talking about.

  44. 44.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 5:51 pm

    I’ll admit he’s a good writer; he just has no real ideas and no core convictions from what I can tell. He’s a leaf in the wind.

    (Honestly, I think it’s just his accent that keeps him on TV.)

    Maybe it’s gay affirmative action? Or the secret homosexual lobby/cabal. Wouldn’t that be all ironical and what-not for Mr. Log Cabin to be propped up by affirmative action?

    Basically I stopped reading Sullivan when he turned into an endless accelerating loop: Bears + Windows + CDS + CDS + 40,000 word essay on Burke (repeat)

  45. 45.

    Zifnab

    February 12, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Well…he was supposed to be our only chance of taking a seat in Virginia. He’s been pretty good up til now. Better than I expected for a Reagan cabinet member. I don’t want to turn my back on the guy for one….OK, yes I do. Kinda like Biden’s vote for the bankruptcy bill. Some things are just hard to forgive.

    Oh wait – didn’t Clinton vote for that, too?

    Yes, yes. And Obama co-sponsored a bill that myiqsomethingsomething says was just as bad, if not worser and to the max. The Bankruptcy Bill is perhaps one of the defining bullshit moments of our time and I’m confident it will be one of the most far reaching legislative acts under El Presidente BushHitler.

  46. 46.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    The Bankruptcy Bill is perhaps one of the defining bullshit moments of our time and I’m confident it will be one of the most far reaching legislative acts under El Presidente BushHitler.

    This was a bad one, although it has the positive unintended effect of making it more likely people will walk away from their homes (jingle mail) b/c they can’t walk away as easily from their credit cards.

    Score a teensy victory for the little guy in the “be careful what you wish for” category.

    Reading about how pay-day lenders (who already hose the military and minority/poor folks) are now going after barely-eking-it-out retirees and co-opting their SS checks with the help from banks makes me literally sick to my stomach. That we still allow these companies to be in existence and don’t moderate the near-debtors-prison like impacts banks are having on our nation is just fricking mind-boggling.

  47. 47.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    The Bankruptcy Bill is perhaps one of the defining bullshit moments of our time and I’m confident it will be one of the most far reaching legislative acts under El Presidente BushHitler.

    Oooh wait. Patriot act trumps Bankruptcy bill. Medicare Plan D is close, but can actually be fixed (let government negotiate with pharma, duh! Get it paid for, duh!), unlike the other turds I mentioned, which are faulty by design.

  48. 48.

    Zifnab

    February 12, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Oooh wait. Patriot act trumps Bankruptcy bill.

    Nah. The Patriot Act screwed over a handful of people a whole bunch. But Joe Average was left virtually untouched (if you’re not doing anything wrong… we won’t bother you). The Bankruptcy Bill had the delightful impact of dicking over anyone who screws himself financially. I bet if you line up all the people that get locked in the debt trap and all the people who’ve been Patriotized, the debtors will outnumber the alleged terrorists fifty fold.

  49. 49.

    srv

    February 12, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Ah, latest virals. Watch Baltimores finest assaulting some 14 year olds

  50. 50.

    Jake

    February 12, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Who takes him seriously? Who?

    Andrew Sullivan. SA2SQ.

  51. 51.

    SP

    February 12, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    jake tapper is a punk ass

  52. 52.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    I bet if you line up all the people that get locked in the debt trap and all the people who’ve been Patriotized, the debtors will outnumber the alleged terrorists fifty fold.

    Yeah, in the tactical sense the bankruptcy bill f-s over a whole bunch more Americans. But in a strategic sense, massively expanding the governments powers to spy, esp. without warrants or oversight, affects us all negatively, in really bad ways, long term.

  53. 53.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Andrew Sullivan. SA2SQ.

    So Andrew’s like Tyler Perry? Andrew Sullivan stars in this year’s breakout smash: Andrew Sullivan Presents Andrew Sullivan’s Andrew Sullivan gets married. Starring Andrew Sullivan. Written & Directed by Andrew Sullivan. Produced by Christopher Hitchens.

  54. 54.

    Digital Amish

    February 12, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    As mentioned above, Hillary did not vote. No big deal, it wasn’t that important – eh, Hils?

    Don’t underestimate the importance of Texas.

  55. 55.

    Michael D.

    February 12, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Is it just me, or does anyone get a little embarrassed about seeing things like “Results for Born-Agains/Evangelicals” on major broadcast discussion of exit polls. I don’t think you see shit like that in any other Western country. You just know people in other countries roll their eyes.

  56. 56.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 12, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    Don’t underestimate the importance of Texas.

    Darn tootin’. Doing what might help you get elected versus doing what’s right has never been a dilemma for Hillary.

  57. 57.

    jcricket

    February 12, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    I didn’t see anyone post this gem from Erik at Redstate

    Erick Erickson, editor of the popular conservative megablog RedState, conceded that progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online — though he attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives “have families because we don’t abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.”

  58. 58.

    capelza

    February 12, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Erick Erickson, editor of the popular conservative megablog RedState, conceded that progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online — though he attributed it to an asymmetry in free time, since conservatives “have families because we don’t abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.”

    He really is getting sleazy (sleazier I suppose) isn’t he?

  59. 59.

    Dennis - SGMM

    February 12, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    That Erick’s a knee-slapper all right. I wonder how he explains why the red states get more back from the government than they pay in taxes while exactly the opposite obtains in the blue states.

  60. 60.

    Randy Paul

    February 12, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    If, in actuality, Obama does suck without a teleprompter (he doesn’t, he is a magnificent speaker with or without one), wouldn’t that make him Reaganesque?

    Only if Michelle had to complete his sentences like Nancy did with Ronnie.

  61. 61.

    Jake

    February 12, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    So Andrew’s like Tyler Perry?

    Hot tea + Sinuses = Owch.

    Alarmingly accurate (but bad for the sinuses). The only difference: I don’t think Drew would make a convincing woman.

    I kinda suspect Drew would rather set his back hair on fire than put on a dress.

  62. 62.

    myiq2xu

    February 12, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    One thing you can say about Reagan: He always hit his mark.

    He gave new meaning to the term “acting President.”

  63. 63.

    Jake

    February 12, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    Erick Erickson, editor of the popular conservative megablog RedState, conceded that progressives currently enjoy an advantage over conservatives online

    Sounds like his fund raising efforts aren’t going so well.

    conservatives “have families because we don’t abort our kids, and we have jobs because we believe in capitalism.”

    Erick has kids? And a job??

    Mind = Boggle.

  64. 64.

    TenguPhule

    February 13, 2008 at 3:58 am

    Really? I like to think of America somewhat as a toilet bowl, with the south being the slightly tilted to the right bottom of the bowl where all the shit flows down to.

    That would the Bush Ranch the annoying clog at the bottom of the pipe then?

  65. 65.

    TenguPhule

    February 13, 2008 at 3:59 am

    That would make even.

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