Hillary says this one doesn’t count. After all, she didn’t spend enough money here.
3.
Billy K
I think Sullivan gets it here
There is a huge desire among many independents and conservatives in this country to punish the GOP for their betrayal of core conservative principles and basic competence and decency these past few years. These folks are plentiful enough to jolt the Republicans toward McCain. But a lot of these conservatives and independents like Obama because he’s obviously a smart, decent guy, because electing him would kill off Jesse Jackson style racial politics for a while, and because he seems like a liberal pragmatist who’s interested in getting things done. A lot of people will tolerate a move back to the center, even the left, if it means an end to this awful period in history and a fresh start for the country.
4.
TheFountainHead
Clinton is still milking the David Shuster thing. I think if she hadn’t written off her husband’s fairly ill-advised comments and brushed them aside as no big deal, I could tolerate this indignation about Shuster. But as it stands, this is just a political move designed to engender sympathy (I guess) and it strikes me as crass given how many times she’s sought firings–let alone apologies–from the fine people at Fox News for the many over-the-top comments they’ve made about her and her husband. Then again, maybe that’s what Murdoch’s money was for. It wasn’t a donation, it was an out-of-court settlement!
Somewhat O/T, and I’m pretty sure someone referenced this in another thread, but it bears re-posting: Romney’s equation “Democrats win” = “surrender to terror” is so vile, and such a distillate of what Republicans have become; Stewart’s reply is pitch-perfect, and the only one possible. Don’t miss it.
As an African-American, I’m happy to let the people like Jackson, who have left behind what I think MLK’s legacy really was, sit the rest of history out. And I say this as someone who’s dad went to High School with Jackson, and who’s Grandmother used to live just a couple of miles from his
7.
TheFountainHead
Stewart’s reply is pitch-perfect, and the only one possible. Don’t miss it.
Could not agree more. I’ve played that clip for all of my friends, and both of them agreed that was the only response we should give him.
8.
CaseyL
I’m an Obama supporter, but I think Clinton is right to jump on Schuster with both feet: he smeared Chelsea, and that’s very different from smearing Bill and Hillary. Chelsea’s their kid, they’ve always been very protective of her, and I applaud that.
9.
Michael
So, are the Romney boys enlisting now that they are no longer serving their country by working on their father’s campaign? Wasn’t that the reason they were not in Iraq?
10.
TheFountainHead
I’m an Obama supporter, but I think Clinton is right to jump on Schuster with both feet: he smeared Chelsea, and that’s very different from smearing Bill and Hillary. Chelsea’s their kid, they’ve always been very protective of her, and I applaud that.
Okay, Casey, then where was the outrage and calls for a formal condemnation on the floor of the senate for John McCain’s joke about Chelsea Clinton being ugly because her father is Janet Reno? You can’t have it both ways. The comment was dumb and unprofessional, but certainly nowhere near as bad as what has been said about Chelsea in the media in the past, let alone members of the Senate. This is more about controlling a news cycle and making Shuster’s life miserable, since he has been covering the Clinton’s since their days in Arkansas.
11.
Fe E
Mark,
Thanks for that link–it was perfect.
12.
Pb
Heck, if Hillary Clinton wants to start condemning vile speech on cable news, I’m all for it–she can start with that aforementioned Romney clip, or any random six minutes or so on Fox News.
What’s that? She wants to hold a debate on Fox News?
…
Nevermind.
13.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I’m an Obama supporter, but I think Clinton is right to jump on Schuster with both feet: he smeared Chelsea, and that’s very different from smearing Bill and Hillary. Chelsea’s their kid, they’ve always been very protective of her, and I applaud that.
He did NOT smear Chelsea. Hell, look at the language. She was “being pimped”. That’s passive form.
Shuster was poking at Hillary’s campaign for their further use of familial relationships. Maybe Shuster had too much of Bill. Regardless of whether you believe it was a poor choice of words, Chelsea was not the target.
14.
Billy K
“But as it stands, this is just a political move designed to engender sympathy (I guess) and it strikes me as crass…”
You said “gender.” You, Sir, are a sexist, bigot, mysogynist.
I’m an Obama supporter, but I think Clinton is right to jump on Schuster with both feet: he smeared Chelsea, and that’s very different from smearing Bill and Hillary.
He didn’t smear her; he used an inappropriate term. Also, like it or not, she is fair game as long as they are using her to campaign.
15.
Phoebe
Yeah, unfortunate term, but used to mean that they are exploiting her by trotting her out to please people. NOw, this might be condescending toward Chelsea, an adult now, who might be making her own decision. But he certainly was not calling her a ho. No.
16.
Punchy
He did NOT smear Chelsea. Hell, look at the language. She was “being pimped”. That’s passive form.
That word is loaded, and he should have known this. He’s guilty of being a complete fucking dumbass. Regardless of his intent, he should be canned for being so clueless.
17.
Punchy
OT:
I’m guessing this wins for the most understated headline I’ve ever read.
Not to mention all the double entendres that cum…er, come…from it.
So, people should tolerate being trashmouthed by assholes on tv, but you can’t tolerate them complaining about it?
Look, we covered this adequately the other nite, and your position didn’t fly then, and it won’t fly now.
People do not have to tolerate being spoken of this way by dicks on tv. It doesn’t matter who those people are or what the circumstances are, period. They don’t have to put up with it. I wouldn’t put up with it, and the “Everybody does and besides you’re a public figure” defense is HORSESHIT. The people on tv don’t own our dignity, we do.
Apparently the abject apologies by Shuster, Olbermann and the managemen of NBC, plus the suspension, haven’t made the point: What Shuster did is intolerable, that’s the only intolerable thing here. His ass ought to be fired if that’s what it takes to make the point.
19.
The Other Steve
I’m excited to see the results tonight. I think there’s a real chance that Clinton could carry in at least Maryland or Virginia. One can never trust early polls.
20.
The Other Steve
I’m guessing this wins for the most understated headline I’ve ever read.
Sadly, it sounds like much of Fortune 500 America too.
21.
The Other Steve
You could tolerate it?
What actually is intolerable?
Was it the language, or was it them attacking a politician for doing something politicians always do and is utterly and completely harmless?
22.
crw
In real news, the amendment stripping telecom immunity from the FISA bill failed again. Guess which candidate voted for the amendment and which was too busy campaigning? Hint: It may not be who you expect given the current narrative.
This person also voted against cloture on the bill.
crw:
At least that certain Senator didn’t vote “Present.” THAT’s the real measure of not taking a stand on an issue.
It’s really obvious to me which of the two is a stronger candidate as far as restoring the constitutional balances commonly accepted prior to the Imperial Age we are currently in.
24.
Zifnab
It’s really obvious to me which of the two is a stronger candidate as far as restoring the constitutional balances commonly accepted prior to the Imperial Age we are currently in.
That’s been abundantly clear for some time. I just don’t know what Obama plans to do about all this bullshit if he finally does take office? When the Senate takes a big rubber stamp to a President’s right to make up the law on the fly, how does today’s elected official prevent tomorrow’s Emperor of America For Life? Who can you hold accountable anymore? Our elected representatives just handed the most criminally incompetent, morally empty, power hungry administration in US History all the Congressional Authority that wasn’t bolted to the floor. What the hell do you do? We’ve got two fresh-faced netroots sponsored Senators – Claire McCaskill and Jim Webb – amidst 16 other (D)s, voting to allow naked lawbreaking.
I mean, good god! Didn’t Bayh want to throw his hat into the ring for President this time two years ago? WTF!
Those two would take a hammer to this shitty setup. I hope Obama could do it.
On another note — I have a question concerning the Texas primaries (multiple ones actually). Are you familiar with our caucus setup and how it works? And could you possibly point me to a site that explains the rules for caucusing?
If the speech on tv is about me, it’s whatever I say is intolerable.
I decide what is acceptable to me, and I will confront them if they cross a line WRT me. And I apply that same right to every person. If Clinton is offended, then she has a right to say so, and bring that complaint forward, and it is really none of my business. Or yours.
I don’t need your permission or approval to stand up for my right to ask for an apology from some shithead on tv for the way they talk about me, and neither does anyone else.
The bottom line here is that the idiot, and the network, and others on his network, immediately knew that they had crossed a line and they scrambled to apologize and take an action. They knew they were in the wrong.
The reason why anyone would even question that is because too many people put up with this shit. People can stand up for the treatement they want, and more often than not, I think they will get it. I am not pro-Clinton in this primary election phase, but I totally support her and her family’s right to stand up for what they think is acceptable treatment. Good for them.
27.
chopper
In real news, the amendment stripping telecom immunity from the FISA bill failed again. Guess which candidate voted for the amendment and which was too busy campaigning? Hint: It may not be who you expect given the current narrative.
D-Chance.
Eh, we’ll wait until the secondary open thread…
;)
Evinfuilt
Hillary says this one doesn’t count. After all, she didn’t spend enough money here.
Billy K
I think Sullivan gets it here
TheFountainHead
Clinton is still milking the David Shuster thing. I think if she hadn’t written off her husband’s fairly ill-advised comments and brushed them aside as no big deal, I could tolerate this indignation about Shuster. But as it stands, this is just a political move designed to engender sympathy (I guess) and it strikes me as crass given how many times she’s sought firings–let alone apologies–from the fine people at Fox News for the many over-the-top comments they’ve made about her and her husband. Then again, maybe that’s what Murdoch’s money was for. It wasn’t a donation, it was an out-of-court settlement!
mark
Somewhat O/T, and I’m pretty sure someone referenced this in another thread, but it bears re-posting: Romney’s equation “Democrats win” = “surrender to terror” is so vile, and such a distillate of what Republicans have become; Stewart’s reply is pitch-perfect, and the only one possible. Don’t miss it.
Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill
As an African-American, I’m happy to let the people like Jackson, who have left behind what I think MLK’s legacy really was, sit the rest of history out. And I say this as someone who’s dad went to High School with Jackson, and who’s Grandmother used to live just a couple of miles from his
TheFountainHead
Could not agree more. I’ve played that clip for all of my friends, and both of them agreed that was the only response we should give him.
CaseyL
I’m an Obama supporter, but I think Clinton is right to jump on Schuster with both feet: he smeared Chelsea, and that’s very different from smearing Bill and Hillary. Chelsea’s their kid, they’ve always been very protective of her, and I applaud that.
Michael
So, are the Romney boys enlisting now that they are no longer serving their country by working on their father’s campaign? Wasn’t that the reason they were not in Iraq?
TheFountainHead
Okay, Casey, then where was the outrage and calls for a formal condemnation on the floor of the senate for John McCain’s joke about Chelsea Clinton being ugly because her father is Janet Reno? You can’t have it both ways. The comment was dumb and unprofessional, but certainly nowhere near as bad as what has been said about Chelsea in the media in the past, let alone members of the Senate. This is more about controlling a news cycle and making Shuster’s life miserable, since he has been covering the Clinton’s since their days in Arkansas.
Fe E
Mark,
Thanks for that link–it was perfect.
Pb
Heck, if Hillary Clinton wants to start condemning vile speech on cable news, I’m all for it–she can start with that aforementioned Romney clip, or any random six minutes or so on Fox News.
What’s that? She wants to hold a debate on Fox News?
…
Nevermind.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
He did NOT smear Chelsea. Hell, look at the language. She was “being pimped”. That’s passive form.
Shuster was poking at Hillary’s campaign for their further use of familial relationships. Maybe Shuster had too much of Bill. Regardless of whether you believe it was a poor choice of words, Chelsea was not the target.
Billy K
You said “gender.” You, Sir, are a sexist, bigot, mysogynist.
He didn’t smear her; he used an inappropriate term. Also, like it or not, she is fair game as long as they are using her to campaign.
Phoebe
Yeah, unfortunate term, but used to mean that they are exploiting her by trotting her out to please people. NOw, this might be condescending toward Chelsea, an adult now, who might be making her own decision. But he certainly was not calling her a ho. No.
Punchy
That word is loaded, and he should have known this. He’s guilty of being a complete fucking dumbass. Regardless of his intent, he should be canned for being so clueless.
Punchy
OT:
I’m guessing this wins for the most understated headline I’ve ever read.
Not to mention all the double entendres that cum…er, come…from it.
ThymeZone
You could tolerate it?
So, people should tolerate being trashmouthed by assholes on tv, but you can’t tolerate them complaining about it?
Look, we covered this adequately the other nite, and your position didn’t fly then, and it won’t fly now.
People do not have to tolerate being spoken of this way by dicks on tv. It doesn’t matter who those people are or what the circumstances are, period. They don’t have to put up with it. I wouldn’t put up with it, and the “Everybody does and besides you’re a public figure” defense is HORSESHIT. The people on tv don’t own our dignity, we do.
Apparently the abject apologies by Shuster, Olbermann and the managemen of NBC, plus the suspension, haven’t made the point: What Shuster did is intolerable, that’s the only intolerable thing here. His ass ought to be fired if that’s what it takes to make the point.
The Other Steve
I’m excited to see the results tonight. I think there’s a real chance that Clinton could carry in at least Maryland or Virginia. One can never trust early polls.
The Other Steve
Sadly, it sounds like much of Fortune 500 America too.
The Other Steve
What actually is intolerable?
Was it the language, or was it them attacking a politician for doing something politicians always do and is utterly and completely harmless?
crw
In real news, the amendment stripping telecom immunity from the FISA bill failed again. Guess which candidate voted for the amendment and which was too busy campaigning? Hint: It may not be who you expect given the current narrative.
This person also voted against cloture on the bill.
Tom in Texas
crw:
At least that certain Senator didn’t vote “Present.” THAT’s the real measure of not taking a stand on an issue.
It’s really obvious to me which of the two is a stronger candidate as far as restoring the constitutional balances commonly accepted prior to the Imperial Age we are currently in.
Zifnab
That’s been abundantly clear for some time. I just don’t know what Obama plans to do about all this bullshit if he finally does take office? When the Senate takes a big rubber stamp to a President’s right to make up the law on the fly, how does today’s elected official prevent tomorrow’s Emperor of America For Life? Who can you hold accountable anymore? Our elected representatives just handed the most criminally incompetent, morally empty, power hungry administration in US History all the Congressional Authority that wasn’t bolted to the floor. What the hell do you do? We’ve got two fresh-faced netroots sponsored Senators – Claire McCaskill and Jim Webb – amidst 16 other (D)s, voting to allow naked lawbreaking.
I mean, good god! Didn’t Bayh want to throw his hat into the ring for President this time two years ago? WTF!
Tom in Texas
Zif:
#1) Feingold for AG.
#2) Webb Sec Def
Those two would take a hammer to this shitty setup. I hope Obama could do it.
On another note — I have a question concerning the Texas primaries (multiple ones actually). Are you familiar with our caucus setup and how it works? And could you possibly point me to a site that explains the rules for caucusing?
ThymeZone
If the speech on tv is about me, it’s whatever I say is intolerable.
I decide what is acceptable to me, and I will confront them if they cross a line WRT me. And I apply that same right to every person. If Clinton is offended, then she has a right to say so, and bring that complaint forward, and it is really none of my business. Or yours.
I don’t need your permission or approval to stand up for my right to ask for an apology from some shithead on tv for the way they talk about me, and neither does anyone else.
The bottom line here is that the idiot, and the network, and others on his network, immediately knew that they had crossed a line and they scrambled to apologize and take an action. They knew they were in the wrong.
The reason why anyone would even question that is because too many people put up with this shit. People can stand up for the treatement they want, and more often than not, I think they will get it. I am not pro-Clinton in this primary election phase, but I totally support her and her family’s right to stand up for what they think is acceptable treatment. Good for them.
chopper
somewhere myiq’s head asplode.
crw
Tom in Texas:
I assume you want to Democratic Party rules. They’re here. Skip down to the Precinct Conventions section. The main key is the caucus starts at 7:15pm on March 4th, and should be held at your precinct polling location. 3/4 of the delegates will be assigned by the primary vote, 1/4 will be assigned by the 7:15pm caucuses.
crw
Ack!
Jen
On Obama and Constitutional law
Tom in Texas
Thank you crw. That (rather noticable) link is exactly what I needed.
The Other Steve
There is a point when you can beat a horse beyond death.