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You are here: Home / Elections / Election 2008 / Big Win In Wisconsin

Big Win In Wisconsin

by John Cole|  February 19, 200811:27 pm| 78 Comments

This post is in: Election 2008, Open Threads

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Obama by double digits.

New meme alert: The timing of Obama’s speech was rude (it interrupted her Highness during her non-concession concession speech).

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  1. 1.

    Incertus (Brian)

    February 19, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    So–does Obama have to win Texas and/or Ohio in order for the calls for Clinton to concede to begin, or does it just have to become clear that he’ll have a pledged delegate lead, i.e. he finishes close in those two states? I’m just ready for this damn thing to be over.

  2. 2.

    PaulW

    February 19, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    New meme on the memes. All memes are meaningless. Unless they are. In which case they’re not memes. Except for certain cases where they have meaning. All forms of confusion begin here. Or actually five weeks ago.

  3. 3.

    Jon H

    February 19, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    Apparently Clinton was supposed to talk at 8:30, but moved it up to 9:15, when Obama was to talk at 9:30.

    Somehow I can’t see Obama delaying his speech for 20,000 people for the sake of Hillary and her gym full of people.

  4. 4.

    Jon H

    February 19, 2008 at 11:36 pm

    “So—does Obama have to win Texas and/or Ohio in order for the calls for Clinton to concede to begin, or does it just have to become clear that he’ll have a pledged delegate lead, i.e. he finishes close in those two states?”

    I fear silver bullets and garlic may be necessary.

  5. 5.

    Desmond

    February 19, 2008 at 11:37 pm

    Apparently, it was Hillary who started her speech early in an effort to pre-empt the MUP. Oops.

    Also, she is incredibly dismissive of those states, delegates, and voters that she doesn’t win. Once again, there was no mention of the state she just lost, no congratulations to Obama, no thanking her campaign workers, or the people who actually did vote for her. As far as she’s concerned, there IS no state called “Wisconsin”. Only the “significant” states exist, apparently.

  6. 6.

    Jon H

    February 19, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    Hillary’s holding out for her firewall in Second Life.

  7. 7.

    Mike P.

    February 19, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Clinton/Giulliani ’08!!!

  8. 8.

    Kevin K.

    February 19, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Well, they’re already calling him a “smug bastard,” an “arrogant prick” and a “rude prick” over at Mushy’s site. Also, several of them have announced that they’re voting for McCain. Man, I’m enjoying watching these future Freepers flame out.

  9. 9.

    Keith

    February 19, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    The new meme is that Clinton just has to win Texas and Ohio rather than win them big (which is wrong). On the plus side, if she was a GOP candidate, her big-state strategy might have worked (minus her last name), since unlike Rudy’s big-state strategy, hers involved actually winning a couple of handfuls of smaller states. But in the end, in a proportional system, if you win 5 huge states by, say, 51-49 but lose 45 small states 40-60, you still lose the war.

    On a semi-related note, this primary is one of the few times I’ve been cheering Drudge’s agenda

  10. 10.

    rob!

    February 19, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    other than in, you know, STATES, Obama can’t win:

    –if he plays nice, the Clinton people say he isn’t tough enough to beat the Republicans

    –if he plays Hardball(i.e., starting his speech, not worrying if HRC was still talking), then he’s rude and ungracious.

    sheesh.

  11. 11.

    Jen

    February 19, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Wisconsin doesn’t count because it has white people and students, and also it wears part of Michigan like a hat.

  12. 12.

    Pb

    February 19, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    Hillary’s holding out for her firewall in Second Life.

    She’s making inroads with campers and griefers, but having trouble with the furry swing vote.

  13. 13.

    Pug

    February 19, 2008 at 11:56 pm

    Taylor Marsh’s rapid descent into the ugly depths of insanity continues to accelerate.

    Pup Tent Democrat is despondent tonight. Obama actually won among “Democrats”, so this one sort of counts.

    Even I felt a twinge of sympathy for Hillary as she took the stage in Ohio and began flailing away at Obama without even acknowledging a ninth consecutive humiliating defeat.

  14. 14.

    crw

    February 19, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Interestingly, my girlfriend just told me her parents (who never vote Democratic) are going to vote for Obama in the Texas primary. My boss told me the same thing a few days ago. Apparently they hate Clinton that much, and just aren’t confident McCain can take her, so they want to help knock her out as early as possible. No idea how widespread this sentiment is, but if it is then the Texas polls are going to underestimate Obama yet again.

  15. 15.

    Billy K

    February 20, 2008 at 12:04 am

    Hillary’s holding out for her firewall in Second Life.

    Hillary’s REAL firewall is in Manchurian delegates. You don’t think she wouldn’t have a couple hundred ready to activate, do you?

    Well, they’re already calling him a “smug bastard,” an “arrogant prick” and a “rude prick” over at Mushy’s site.

    They can call him whatever they want. They can’t stop him.

    So, I watched part of Obama’s speech from Houston, and I heard him speak about “fighting poverty.” It stuck out. Is this the concession for Edwards’ endorsement? Is the Breck Girl gonna ride the MUP?

  16. 16.

    Desert Rat

    February 20, 2008 at 12:07 am

    Jon H Says:

    Hillary’s holding out for her firewall in Second Life.

    Comment of the week.

  17. 17.

    tBone

    February 20, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Hillary’s holding out for her firewall in Second Life.

    Is that some kind of post-menopausal reference? Sexist and agist, typical for a O-cultist.

    Even I felt a twinge of sympathy for Hillary as she took the stage in Ohio and began flailing away at Obama without even acknowledging a ninth consecutive humiliating defeat.

    You don’t acknowledge defeats that don’t count in states that are irrelevant. Apparently you don’t understand the >50 + 0 strategy at all.

  18. 18.

    Billy K

    February 20, 2008 at 12:08 am

    I can’t believe McPain actually said, “I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change,”

    So he’s saying things are fine, and he wants to be the guy to get in the way of reforms? Wow. He’ll be lucky to pick up Bush’s 28% dead-enders.

    Just wow.

  19. 19.

    Jon H

    February 20, 2008 at 12:09 am

    OT: via dailykos, a Letterman joke from tonight:

    “Many observers believe Fidel Castro will either be replaced by his brother Raul, or by his idiot son, Fidel W. Castro.”

  20. 20.

    KC

    February 20, 2008 at 12:12 am

    Obama is rude. Wolf Blitzer told me so.

  21. 21.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 20, 2008 at 12:13 am

    New meme alert: The timing of Obama’s speech was rude (it interrupted her Highness during her non-concession concession speech).

    Link, please, so I may read and roll my eyes as necessary?

  22. 22.

    Kevin K.

    February 20, 2008 at 12:17 am

    I’m sure this has happened before at Mushy’s site, but there’s some pretty Hillaryious desperation on display over there as they exchange links and info about that crackpot Larry Sinclair to make themselves feel better.

  23. 23.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 20, 2008 at 12:24 am

    Pup Tent Democrat is despondent tonight. Obama actually won among “Democrats”, so this one sort of counts.

    wait…

    /looks through Clinton ’08 Field Manual/

    er… no. It says here that it doesn’t count on account of “[local football club] did not win the Super Bowl”, possibly causing “severe despondence, depression, and recklessness among voters”. The related flowchart implies the next step of action is to challenge to remove all Green Bay fans from the voter rolls.

    Recent numbers predict a win for Hillary after the challenge succeeds, winning among all Non-Green Bay fans Wisconsin residents, 11 votes to 10.

  24. 24.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    February 20, 2008 at 12:30 am

    From the comments in Kevin K.’s link:

    Hillary Clinton has won the WAshington primary. it says 100% reporting.

    C 49%
    O 47%

    http://vote.wa.gov/elections/wei/results.aspx
    bdestini | 02.19.2008 – 11:31 pm | #

    Unless I’m cross eyed, you have that backwards..
    Hubris | Homepage | 02.19.2008 – 11:45 pm

    Oh, man. They’re taking it hard.

    Reception, calling Freud. Reception, calling Freud. Extension 9594. Again, Reception, calling Freud.

  25. 25.

    Desmond

    February 20, 2008 at 12:39 am

    Oh, man. They’re taking it hard.

    Heh, that’s priceless. Trying to find some small solace in a meaningless primary, and even that turns out wrong.

  26. 26.

    p.lukasiak

    February 20, 2008 at 1:11 am

    the real news tonight is the demonstration of how poorly caucus results reflect voter sentiment. The DC beauty contest, in which Clinton is going to wind up about 3-6 pts behind Obama (100% reporting means nothing — that’s the result of poll voting, but there are still over 350,000 “mail in ballots” (both parties combined) which is slightly less than 30% of the total votes cast. (and its not even 100% reporting, according to the Washington state site, King and Pierce counties are still out — and King is an Obama stronghold with 145,000 ballots still uncounted).

    The really interesting stuff is happening on the Republican side, where delegates were at stake in both the caucuses (held feb 9), and the primaries. In the caucuses, McCain got 25.9%, Huckabee 23.5%, Paul 21.6%, Romney 15.4% and uncommitted 13.5%. In tonight’s primary, its McCain 48.7%, Huckabee 21.2%, Paul 7.3%, Romney 20.5% and other candidates splitting 2.1%.

    These numbers should put to rest the idea that caucus results come anywhere close to reflecting the results one would get in a primary election.

  27. 27.

    Brachiator

    February 20, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Obama by double digits.

    The sad thing is that Team Clinton’s announcement that they are going to go even more negative only reveals how sadly irrelevant they are becoming. From a recent NY Times story:

    “This is the choice we face: One of us is ready to be commander in chief in a dangerous world,” Mrs. Clinton said in the remarks, which she also planned to expand upon in a speech in New York City on Wednesday.

    Senator Clinton apparently doesn’t realize that the world is changing around her. Castro steps down in Cuba. Pakistan’s voters not only shake off the status quo, but also soundly slap down Islamic fundamentalist parties. No, the world is not suddenly sweetness and light (Kenya, uncertainty over reaction to Kosovo’s recent emergence), but Clinton is trying to outdo the right wing nutcase crowd in her appeal to fear.

    “One of us has faced serious Republican opposition in the past — and one of us is ready to do it again.”

    Even more sadly, Senator Clinton is showing signs that she is starting to believe her own BS, namely the exaggerated notion that she really was co-governor and co-president. I don’t deny the bizarre fury of anti-Clinton hatred, but the increasingly strained insistence that being the spouse of an office-holder elevates you to the same status is bordering on the delusional. Did anyone give a rat’s ass about Dennis Thatcher while Margaret Thatcher was prime minister? Or even afterward?

    It’s also interesting that Senator Clinton is more concerned about Republican campaign strategists who might oppose Obama than she is about Republican voters who may choose Obama over McCain. Again, she is all about fear over …. hope.

    The full NY Times story is here:

    Wisconsin Hands Obama a Victory, the Ninth in a Row

    Hillary’s holding out for her firewall in Second Life.

    Oh, snap!

  28. 28.

    Jon H

    February 20, 2008 at 1:23 am

    “the real news tonight is the demonstration of how poorly caucus results reflect voter sentiment. ”

    Yes, Paul, that’s the real news. Right.

  29. 29.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 1:25 am

    Two things about tonight: Obama opens up a can of whoop ass on Clinton in Wisconsin, and…

    John McCain is a really terrible candidate. The worst at this level I have ever seen.

    I may have to push my bet with DougJ. I think it is possible that McCain could get zero votes in November.

  30. 30.

    SamFromUtah

    February 20, 2008 at 1:29 am

    Obama by double digits.

    MUP FTW!

    …as the kids these days do say.

  31. 31.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    February 20, 2008 at 1:37 am

    John McCain is a really terrible candidate.

    Does he remind anyone else of the cryptkeeper? I just wonder how long it will take for his head to explode?

    I think it is possible that McCain could get zero votes in November.

    Nah. I’m pretty sure Arizona will go for him. But I guess Obama could put Janet Napolitano on the ticket just to fuck with him.

  32. 32.

    p.lukasiak

    February 20, 2008 at 1:40 am

    Yes, Paul, that’s the real news. Right.

    well, if you’re thinking in terms of who should be the nominee, that is bigger news than the results from Wisconsin.

    The results blow to smithereens the Obama argument that if he has a lead in total delegates (and/or states won) that he should be the nominee by default. We’re looking at clear evidence that caucuses don’t reflect the will of actual voters — and that in caucus states, intensity of support, and a good ground game, can grossly exaggerate how support a candidate really has (Ron Paul’s numbers are a clear example of this… he got 21.6% of the caucus support, and barely a third of that in the popular vote.)

  33. 33.

    mightygodking

    February 20, 2008 at 1:43 am

    These numbers should put to rest the idea that caucus results come anywhere close to reflecting the results one would get in a primary election.

    Shorter P.Luk: In reality, Hillary is only losing respectably instead of completely embarrassingly. This changes the entire dynamic of the race!

  34. 34.

    West Coast libertarian

    February 20, 2008 at 1:47 am

    I am visiting my brother-in-law (who I love dearly)in Philadelphia next month. He is a neo who thinks W is doing a great job, was solidly for 9ui11iani and now is backing Walnuts. I would like some ammunition for the argument that we are sure to have about the merits of McCain for prez. TZ has mentioned how deeply he, McCain, was involved with Keating, but the Google doesn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know. If anyone can steer me in the right direction, I’d really appreciate it.

  35. 35.

    Mr Furious

    February 20, 2008 at 1:48 am

    Screw Hillary. The winner defers to the loser so hey can concede. She clearly had no intention of doing anything of the sort, and was delivering nothing but an attacking stump speech. No need for MUP and an arena of fans to sit around waiting for that shit to wrap up.

  36. 36.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 1:52 am

    Go to Texas and work for Obama GOTV.

    If I can do it, I will. But don’t wait for me! Just go!

  37. 37.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 1:55 am

    lukasiak has managed to make himself a total outlier here.

    Honestly, his comments have become hard to distinguish from spoof.

    Anyway, after you are done laughing at his material, check your schedule and see if you can get to Texas and work for Obama. If so, click on my url and git ‘er done.

  38. 38.

    Tom in Texas

    February 20, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Thyme:

    I volunteered last week. His campaign headquarters are a block from my house, across the street from the best brunch in Houston (Chicken and Waffles FTW!)

  39. 39.

    p.lukasiak

    February 20, 2008 at 2:02 am

    lukasiak has managed to make himself a total outlier here.

    that may be true, but considering that national polls show Hillary not that far from Obama, the question becomes why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier” here when there is nothing outside the norm in supporting Hillary in the real world.

    in other words, if I’m an outlier, its because you’ve all fallen prey to the groupthink of the MUP.

  40. 40.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:06 am

    TZ has mentioned how deeply he, McCain, was involved with Keating, but the Google doesn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know. If anyone can steer me in the right direction, I’d really appreciate it.

    The story of the Keating Five.

    In 1989, the Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, Calif., collapsed. Lincoln’s chairman, Charles H. Keating Jr., was faulted for the thrift’s failure. Keating, however, told the House Banking Committee that the FHLBB and its former chief Edwin J. Gray were pursuing a vendetta against him. Gray testified that several U.S. senators had approached him and requested that he ease off on the Lincoln investigation. It came out that these senators had been beneficiaries of $1.3 million (collective total) in campaign contributions from Keating.

    Keating was no ordinary constituent to McCain.

    On Oct. 8, 1989, The Arizona Republic revealed that McCain’s wife and her father had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators.

    The paper also reported that the McCains, sometimes accompanied by their daughter and baby-sitter, had made at least nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard the American Continental jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay.

    McCain also did not pay Keating for some of the trips until years after they were taken, after he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln. Total cost: $13,433.

    The latter is from azcentral.com, the local Gannett paper.

    Keating blamed the government regulators for the failure of Lincoln Savings and filed suit in order to regain control over the bank. The suit was dismissed in August 1990, with the judge calling the seizure fully justified because of the looting of the institution by Keating and his associates.

    In September 1990, Keating was criminally charged with having duped Lincoln’s customers into buying worthless junk bonds of American Continental Corporation; he was convicted in state court in 1992 of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and received a 10 year prison sentence. In January 1993, a federal conviction followed, with a 12 and a half year sentence. He spent four and a half years in prison, but both sentences were eventually overturned.

    In the 1980s, Keating had donated some $1,250,000 to Mother Teresa; during his state trial, she wrote a letter on his behalf to presiding Judge Lance Ito, saying that she was not informed about his business but she knew him as a man who was generous toward the poor.

    Various government agencies and private parties initiated civil lawsuits against Keating. One federal class action case involving 20,000 plaintiffs resulted in a $3.3 billion judgement (later reduced to $1.6 billion) against him and his former companies, for having defrauded investors.

    Another case filed by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission was settled in 1994. Keating claimed to be bankrupt but agreed to repay millions should any hidden assets turn up. A third case filed by the Resolution Trust Corporation resulted in a summary judgement of $4.3 billion against Keating and his wife in 1994, the largest judgement ever against a private person; it was overturned on appeal in 1996.

  41. 41.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:08 am

    in other words, if I’m an outlier, its because you’ve all fallen prey
    to the groupthink of the MUP.

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Your schtick is boring now, man. Really. You’re embarrassing yourself at this point. But please, don’t stop.

  42. 42.

    Killjoy

    February 20, 2008 at 2:09 am

    well, if you’re thinking in terms of who should be the nominee, that is bigger news than the results from Wisconsin.

    The person whose campaign took the time to plan for the quirks of the Democratic primary system should be the nominee. The Clinton campaign has been an absolute disaster on this score. I can totally see Mark Penn and Harold Ickes complaining on November 5th that the electoral college is an imperfect means of measuring the popular will. This is accurate from an academic perspective, but irrelevant to the whole winning thing.

  43. 43.

    sildan

    February 20, 2008 at 2:18 am

    in other words, if I’m an outlier, its because you’ve all fallen prey to the groupthink of the MUP.

    …like that dastardly specimen of groupthink, the freedom of teh internets…

  44. 44.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:22 am

    why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier”

    Um,because, Paul, and may I say, that’s a great name, you just don’t get what is happening here.

    Whatever you think about the Obama phenomenon, it is in fact a phenomenon, and it’s a tidal wave of momentum and popular support that has taken your gal from presumtive nominee to certain loser, in two months…. and isn’t finished yet. Look at the photos that Tom posted. Look at the trends in the race, and the tsunami of votes running away from Clinton and towards Obama ….look at the enthusiasm and the energy. It’s history in the making.

    And all you do is basically stand here and wave your arms and yell “Stop it I tell you!”

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

  45. 45.

    Jon H

    February 20, 2008 at 2:23 am

    ” His campaign headquarters are a block from my house, across the street from the best brunch in Houston (Chicken and Waffles FTW!)”

    Oh, sorry, the latest from Mark Penn is that brunchers don’t count.

  46. 46.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:23 am

    why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier”

    Um,because, Paul, and may I say, that’s a great name, you just don’t get what is happening here.

    Whatever you think about the Obama phenomenon, it is in fact a phenomenon, and it’s a tidal wave of momentum and popular support that has taken your gal from presumtive nominee to certain loser, in two months…. and isn’t finished yet. Look at the photos that Tom posted. Look at the trends in the race, and the tsunami of votes running away from Clinton and towards Obama ….look at the enthusiasm and the energy. It’s history in the making.

    And all you do is basically stand here and wave your arms and yell “Stop it I tell you!”

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

  47. 47.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:23 am

    why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier”

    Um,because, Paul, and may I say, that’s a great name, you just don’t get what is happening here.

    Whatever you think about the Obama phenomenon, it is in fact a phenomenon, and it’s a tidal wave of momentum and popular support that has taken your gal from presumtive nominee to certain loser, in two months…. and isn’t finished yet. Look at the photos that Tom posted. Look at the trends in the race, and the tsunami of votes running away from Clinton and towards Obama ….look at the enthusiasm and the energy. It’s history in the making.

    And all you do is basically stand here and wave your arms and yell “Stop it I tell you!”

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

  48. 48.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:23 am

    why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier”

    Um,because, Paul, and may I say, that’s a great name, you just don’t get what is happening here.

    Whatever you think about the Obama phenomenon, it is in fact a phenomenon, and it’s a tidal wave of momentum and popular support that has taken your gal from presumtive nominee to certain loser, in two months…. and isn’t finished yet. Look at the photos that Tom posted. Look at the trends in the race, and the tsunami of votes running away from Clinton and towards Obama ….look at the enthusiasm and the energy. It’s history in the making.

    And all you do is basically stand here and wave your arms and yell “Stop it I tell you!”

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

  49. 49.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:23 am

    why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier”

    Um,because, Paul, and may I say, that’s a great name, you just don’t get what is happening here.

    Whatever you think about the Obama phenomenon, it is in fact a phenomenon, and it’s a tidal wave of momentum and popular support that has taken your gal from presumtive nominee to certain loser, in two months…. and isn’t finished yet. Look at the photos that Tom posted. Look at the trends in the race, and the tsunami of votes running away from Clinton and towards Obama ….look at the enthusiasm and the energy. It’s history in the making.

    And all you do is basically stand here and wave your arms and yell “Stop it I tell you!”

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

  50. 50.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:23 am

    why a Hillary supporter would find themselves an “outlier”

    Um,because, Paul, and may I say, that’s a great name, you just don’t get what is happening here.

    Whatever you think about the Obama phenomenon, it is in fact a phenomenon, and it’s a tidal wave of momentum and popular support that has taken your gal from presumtive nominee to certain loser, in two months…. and isn’t finished yet. Look at the photos that Tom posted. Look at the trends in the race, and the tsunami of votes running away from Clinton and towards Obama ….look at the enthusiasm and the energy. It’s history in the making.

    And all you do is basically stand here and wave your arms and yell “Stop it I tell you!”

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

  51. 51.

    ThymeZone

    February 20, 2008 at 2:25 am

    Oh wow, the hated BJ crashomatic got me four duplicate posts. Sorry, but …. I’m not the one who picked Word Press to support the thing.

    Feel free to delete the duplicates.

  52. 52.

    Ross

    February 20, 2008 at 2:32 am

    hey guys, i guess i got to the party a little late.

    what is MUP?

  53. 53.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 20, 2008 at 2:35 am

    Yeah, but Hillary held it close by limiting his lead to only double digits. So in surreality, she won!

  54. 54.

    sildan

    February 20, 2008 at 2:35 am

    MUP == Magical Unity Pony

  55. 55.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 20, 2008 at 2:39 am

    The MUP is the Magical Unity Pony, which is the steed of choice for Saint Barack of Obama, our knight in shining armor. We of the Cult of Obama have adopted the MUP as our symbol of change. Just watch out for the rainbows and candy it shoots out of its ass, you can get buried real fast if you are not careful.

    Also, don’t piss the pony off. It bites. ;)

    Would you like some kool-aid too?

  56. 56.

    Jimitha

    February 20, 2008 at 2:54 am

    The U in MUP is for Unitarian, and therefore Barack Hussein Obama is clearly a Muslim. The P is for “Probably a Muslim.” No word yet on what the M stands for, but citizen journalists are furiously investigating your countertops to find out.

  57. 57.

    bwaage

    February 20, 2008 at 3:40 am

    Paul may be crazy, but I think we all have to concede one point to him: Hillary would be the best candidate by far in November if the General election only had her name on it, didn’t allow campaigning or had no actual impact on the selection process at all. Nobody is better at contests like those than she is.

  58. 58.

    sildan

    February 20, 2008 at 3:40 am

    The MUP is the Magical Unity Pony, which is the steed of choice for Saint Barack of Obama, our knight in shining armor. We of the Cult of Obama have adopted the MUP as our symbol of change. Just watch out for the rainbows and candy it shoots out of its ass, you can get buried real fast if you are not careful.

    Also, don’t piss the pony off. It bites. ;)

    Would you like some kool-aid too?

    This seriously calls for a t-shirt design.

  59. 59.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 20, 2008 at 4:07 am

    First results for Hawaii from a member at Kos:

    Maui and Oahu
    ——————–
    Clinton – 666
    Obama – 2,258

    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the hildebeest: for it is the number of a woman; and her number is six hundred threescore and six.

    Sorry, I could not help myself there. It was a natural. ;)

  60. 60.

    sildan

    February 20, 2008 at 4:27 am

    CNN has Obama 75% to Clinton 24% with 71% reporting.

  61. 61.

    Conservatively Liberal

    February 20, 2008 at 4:34 am

    In reading further at Kos, I see that the MUP is kicking ass and not bothering to take names. I thought the initial vote count of 666 for Hillary was funny.

    I am sure that her supporters think it is a conspiracy.

  62. 62.

    heet

    February 20, 2008 at 7:11 am

    That taylor marsh site? Full of crazies.

  63. 63.

    Rothaar

    February 20, 2008 at 7:40 am

    “These numbers should put to rest the idea that caucus results come anywhere close to reflecting the results one would get in a primary election.”

    Please explain your logic. You cite several statistics in DC which are either neutral (absentee) or would enhance the already massive Obama preference (King county), then claim this will result in a much reduced Obama win. Also, in some magical way, this proves something about caucuses when compared to today’s large victory margin in WI, a primary state?

    I agree that caucuses are different than primaries, that being the point of having the voters meet and discuss (part of *informed* democracy being debate) their choices. Because of this increased emphasis on information and an ability to defend ones choice, caucuses are going more strongly for Obama than a primary would. So…. what? This just means his supporters feel more strongly and are able to argue their case better. I’m baffled as to how this is an argument *against* his candidacy.

  64. 64.

    chopper

    February 20, 2008 at 8:04 am

    Hillary would be the best candidate by far in November if the General election only had her name on it, didn’t allow campaigning or had no actual impact on the selection process at all. Nobody is better at contests like those than she is.

    heh. indeed, she’s a killer in those contests.

  65. 65.

    bwaage

    February 20, 2008 at 8:05 am

    After spending a week talking about how great speeches and rhetoric mean absolutely nothing this is a perfectly fitting turn of events for her.

  66. 66.

    p.lukasiak

    February 20, 2008 at 8:37 am

    Your loyalty is touching, but you are on the wrong side of a realignment in American politics.

    Honesty I wish (and hope) that is true.

    However, we’ve seen this kind of phenomenon before — and seen it crash and burn before, at the hands of the media (Howard Dean and “the Dean scream” anyone?) My fear is that we’re looking at the equivalent of the “tech bubble” in the stock market, or the Tulip craze.

    Indeed, maybe I should start calling Obama the Magical Unity Tulip! ;-)

  67. 67.

    Jen

    February 20, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Did I miss the part where Howard Dean won 25 states?

    Guys, Paul is still in Stage 1.
    March 5: witness the full fury of P-Luk.
    March 6: Bargaining for superdelegates and flipped delegates and counting states that don’t count. Do-overs on all caucuses since they don’t count.
    March 7: Fail. Depression.
    March 8: Where did I put that saddle?

  68. 68.

    Billy K

    February 20, 2008 at 9:35 am

    No word yet on what the M stands for, but citizen journalists are furiously investigating your countertops to find out.

    Duh. It stands for Muslim. No “probably” about it.

    I want a T-shirt with a glittery purple pony, it’s majestic mane waving in the breeze of freedom, bounding up a rainbow with flaring nostrils and enraged eyes…

    Yes, it’s a dichotomy. We all have our versions of the MUP. Mine hooves people left and right.

  69. 69.

    Digital Amish

    February 20, 2008 at 9:45 am

    maybe I should start calling Obama the Magical Unity Tulip! ;-)

    Calling Obama a MUT? Clearly a reference to his mixed race heritage. Clearly a racist dog whistle from the Clinton campaign.

  70. 70.

    tBone

    February 20, 2008 at 9:52 am

    We all have our versions of the MUP.

    No. There is only One True MUP. Heretics like you shall be judged on March 5th. Repent!

  71. 71.

    empty

    February 20, 2008 at 10:28 am

    Jon H Says:

    Apparently Clinton was supposed to talk at 8:30, but moved it up to 9:15, when Obama was to talk at 9:30.

    Desmond Says:

    Apparently, it was Hillary who started her speech early in an effort to pre-empt the MUP. Oops.

    Which one?

    If Obama did this on purpose it was worse than arrogant. It was a stupid thing to do. He will need Hillary’s supporters to turn out for him in the general election so it would pay off to be gracious. Yeah, I know Hillary may not be gracious but from the way it is going it does not seem she will be needing Obama’s supporters in November.

  72. 72.

    Andrew

    February 20, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Chicken and Waffles FTW!

    Texas is weird.

  73. 73.

    Jen

    February 20, 2008 at 10:43 am

    You know what, Empty? If there are people who would rather vote for McCain than for someone who started his speech at the time he said he was going to start his speech?

    Fuck ’em. We DON’T need ’em, and I sure as hell don’t give a flying fuck what particular perceived nine-month-old snub against their queen bee they have their panties in a wad about come November.

  74. 74.

    empty

    February 20, 2008 at 11:10 am

    Fuck ‘em. We DON’T need ‘em, and I sure as hell don’t give a flying fuck what particular perceived nine-month-old snub against their queen bee they have their panties in a wad about come November.

    Of course, YOU don’t Jen. You’re just someone on a blog getting their knickers in a twist over what the other meanies said. However, Obama will need them – not just not voting for McCain but coming out to the polls and voting for him. So YOU can fuck whoever you want. Obama would probably be served better by taking the high road.

  75. 75.

    Jen

    February 20, 2008 at 11:15 am

    You’re just someone on a blog getting their knickers in a twist over what the other meanies said

    NO, I’m not. I can’t have my knickers in a twist about people I do not give a flying fuck about. Some Clintonites will vote for Obama, and those who won’t because of something that happened in February weren’t going to vote for him anyway. Obama has her base, and he has a hell of a lot of people she can’t, or won’t get. He doesn’t have 50% negatives. He doesn’t have to grovel to a bunch of idiots. And when he hires you for his campaign, then I will listen to your opinions about who he has to grovel to.

  76. 76.

    zzyzx

    February 20, 2008 at 11:27 am

    The results blow to smithereens the Obama argument that if he has a lead in total delegates (and/or states won) that he should be the nominee by default. We’re looking at clear evidence that caucuses don’t reflect the will of actual voters—and that in caucus states, intensity of support, and a good ground game, can grossly exaggerate how support a candidate really has (Ron Paul’s numbers are a clear example of this… he got 21.6% of the caucus support, and barely a third of that in the popular vote.)

    The WA numbers prove little. I went to vote as a superstitious act around 2 PM in northern Seattle. There was no one else there at all. The machine had only recorded 36 votes before mine.

    The ballot results are skewed towards Pierce County because there was a levy on the ballot there.

  77. 77.

    SenderC

    February 20, 2008 at 11:36 am

    The MUP is here in Dallas today! I think I saw him ride down from a rainbow over Reunion Arena this morning.

    I think he’s going to win Texas although I think Ohio is going to go for Clinton. I’m sure that if he does win Texas, it will be dismissed by the Clinton camp because Texas is a “red” state Democrats wouldn’t win in the general election. But the Pony doesn’t see red or blue — he sees only purple.

  78. 78.

    empty

    February 20, 2008 at 11:36 am

    he has a hell of a lot of people she can’t, or won’t get. He doesn’t have 50% negatives.

    You are stuck in this contest – which he is well on the way to winning. What she can or can’t get is irrelevant for the general election. What he can or can’t get is relevant. As far as his negatives – they were at 51% six weeks ago and once the Republicans gear up they are quite likely to head in that direction again.

    He doesn’t have to grovel to a bunch of idiots.

    Being gracious is not “groveling,” a distinction you will have the high pleasure of teaching your kids in the not too distant future.

    And as to whether you are listening to my opinions. Honey, if you are answering, you are listening. Whether you are getting what I am saying is another matter.

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