Come for the politics, stay for the snark.

It’s the corruption, stupid.

After dobbs, women are no longer free.

It’s all just conspiracy shit beamed down from the mothership.

You are either for trump or for democracy. Pick one.

People are weird.

People really shouldn’t expect the government to help after they watched the GOP drown it in a bathtub.

Following reporting rules is only for the little people, apparently.

The rest of the comments were smacking Boebert like she was a piñata.

The poor and middle-class pay taxes, the rich pay accountants, the wealthy pay politicians.

Seems like a complicated subject, have you tried yelling at it?

Let there be snark.

Jack be nimble, jack be quick, hurry up and indict this prick.

fuckem (in honor of the late great efgoldman)

Everything is totally normal and fine!!!

“What are Republicans afraid of?” Everything.

A norm that restrains only one side really is not a norm – it is a trap.

Hell hath no fury like a farmer bankrupted.

When we show up, we win.

Red lights blinking on democracy’s dashboard

The next time the wall street journal editorial board speaks the truth will be the first.

Republicans seem to think life begins at the candlelight dinner the night before.

Why is it so hard for them to condemn hate?

T R E 4 5 O N

Bark louder, little dog.

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  1. 1.

    Wilfred

    Richard Cohen takes a dump on Clinton:

    There is dissension in the Hillary Clinton camp. Top aides have been in arguments, shouting back and forth about differences in strategy. Should Clinton come on strong? Should she go negative? Should she be upbeat and positive? Here’s my answer: Stop campaigning.
    The evidence is overwhelming that since Super Tuesday, the minute Clinton steps foot in a state, her numbers start to plummet.

    To know her is to _____ her:

    My cards are already on the table. I don’t think that Clinton can win the nomination but even if she does, I don’t think she will win the general election. That would become apparent as she starts to campaign in states that have yet to see her. The harder she works, the worse she does.

  2. 2.

    Neal

    Not sure if someone beat me to this – someone usually does – but Dodd is going to endorse the big O today. Good for him.

  3. 3.

    jnfr

    Spammers spoof my domains regularly. The worst time I ended up with over 10,000 bounce messages. I pre-filter my mail and they all get auto-deleted, but just downloading the headers took nearly an hour.

  5. 5.

    Billy K

    I think this sums it up pretty well:

    On balance, Democrats seem to like and trust Clinton. They just like and trust Obama more.

  6. 6.

    TheFountainHead

    As someone who has always respected both Chris Dodd AND John Edwards, I say about damn time, Dodd, and what the hell are you thinking, Edwards?

  7. 7.

    Halteclere

    I received a spam e-mail from myself once. That was kind of surreal (and no, I wasn’t telling myself that I could get a degree based on my life experiences).

  8. 8.

    The Other Steve

    As someone who has always respected both Chris Dodd AND John Edwards, I say about damn time, Dodd, and what the hell are you thinking, Edwards?

    John Edwards is trying to figure out what will best serve him when he runs for President again in 2012. Obviously a Democrat winning in 2008 would not be good for him.

  9. 9.

    John Cole

    Actually, I think Edwards and Gore are waiting until after it is clear Obama will win but before Hillary steps out to endorse Obama, that way Hillary will get the clear meessage.

  11. 11.

    RSA

    I received a spam e-mail from myself once. That was kind of surreal (and no, I wasn’t telling myself that I could get a degree based on my life experiences).

    Did you end up being impressed by your own sexual prowess?

  13. 13.

    Zifnab

    So basically, they’re going to wait until the convention?

    I think this’ll basically be in the bag by March 5th. If Clinton sticks it out through a double-loss in Texas and Ohio (along with the inevitable loses of Vermont and Rhode Island – which don’t count), she’ll be pulling a Huckabee.

  14. 14.

    TheFountainHead

    Actually, I think Edwards and Gore are waiting until after it is clear Obama will win but before Hillary steps out to endorse Obama, that way Hillary will get the clear meessage.

    While I completely agree that this is likely what they are doing, it just makes them look incredibly spineless to me, at least, and I find it hard to imagine I’m alone in this view, particularly considering the manner in which Hillary’s campaign seems to want to draw this out.

  17. 17.

    4tehlulz

    If Clinton sticks it out through a double-loss in Texas and Ohio

    I don’t believe this is going to happen. According to polling, Clinton has RI in the bag (+15), and Obama has VT (+20). I suspect Obama will win the majority of delegates in TX, and HRC will win OH by around 6 points. It doesn’t get much more muddled than that.

    That leaves a bloodbath in PA for 6 weeks.

  18. 18.

    John S.

    I think this’ll basically be in the bag by March 5th. If Clinton sticks it out through a double-loss in Texas and Ohio (along with the inevitable loses of Vermont and Rhode Island – which don’t count), she’ll be pulling a Huckabee.

    I predict:

    – Obama by 10-12 in Texas
    – Clinton by 3-5 in Ohio
    – Obama by 25-30 in Vermont
    – Clinton by 8-10 in Rhode Island

    If it goes down like that, I don’t expect her to withdraw because it will give her something to spin (and I’m sure p.lukasiak will be all over it). If she does end up losing in Ohio and only carries Rhode Island, then I think she is done.

  19. 19.

    Halteclere

    Plz tell me you ran antivirus/antispyware after that.

    Nah. It’s a Yahoo account, and my spam filter had been catching very similarly named (first few letters would be the same) Yahoo e-mail addresses for awhile. I figure the spammer either had hacked a list of Yahoo e-mails, or was just going through a list of all possible letter combinations to see what “stuck”.

    Interestingly enough my wife had the same thing happen (receive an e-mail from herself) with her account. And she had been receiving spam from addresses similarly named as her e-mail address for a while also.

  20. 20.

    John Cole

    If Clinton sticks it out through a double-loss in Texas and Ohio

    I don’t know why we keep letting the Clinton camp shift the goalposts. Clinton needs to win Texas AND Ohio by double digits or it is over. That is the math. That was the agreed upon spin when Clinton was polling 20 points ahead of Obama a few weeks ago. The word FIREWALL ring a bell?

    Some of you now seem willing to buy the spin that as long as she doesn’t lose both, she can continue on with a chance. Wrong. She needs to WIN both by large margins.

    Christ- have you all learned nothing from the 8 year game of move the goalposts the Bushies have put us through?

  21. 21.

    Halteclere

    To follow up, in both our cases (my wife and mine), neither e-mail had been sent from our accounts – i.e. the messages didn’t originate on our machines.

  22. 22.

    John S.

    Has everyone seen Stephanie Tubbs-Jones saying “Obama shouldn’t be ashamed to wear the clothing of his nation”?

    Wow, just when I thought Clinton and her surrogates couldn’t descend any further into GOP territory…

  23. 23.

    John S.

    Some of you now seem willing to buy the spin that as long as she doesn’t lose both, she can continue on with a chance. Wrong. She needs to WIN both by large margins.

    I don’t buy the spin, John, but I call it like I see it. If Hillary loses Texas but wins Ohio she will stay in the race – mark my words. I don’t think she will have much of a chance to secure the nomiantion if that happens, but that won’t be enough to deter her from forging ahead.

  24. 24.

    4tehlulz

    Christ- have you all learned nothing from the 8 year game of move the goalposts the Bushies have put us through?

    Unfortunately, yes. They move the goalposts to make it sound good to themselves — not to anyone else. If they can convince themselves that they fucked over by the system or the states don’t count, they’ll do it regardless of what anyone else thinks or does.

    That said, I suspect after March 5, there may be pressure on Gore and Edwards to weigh in and drop the endorsement bombs to finish this. Sometimes that kind of kick in the head will make you see reality.

    Of course, the way this year has gone, G & E will endorse different people, changing nothing except the acrimony level….

  25. 25.

    Billy K

    Some of you now seem willing to buy the spin that as long as she doesn’t lose both, she can continue on with a chance. Wrong. She needs to WIN both by large margins.

    I am so disappointed in Hillary folks that every day seem more like Bush folk with a “D” after their name instead of an “R.”

    What’s worse is it makes Sullivan look sane.

  26. 26.

    srv

    Christ- have you all learned nothing from the 8 year game of move the goalposts the Bushies have put us through?

    It’s been so long, I’ve forgotten which sport we were playing.

  27. 27.

    Billy K

    It’s been so long, I’ve forgotten which sport we were playing.

    Obamaball!!

    Stupid joke aside, every day I get the feeling another Clinton Presidency will just be 8 more years of the same crap of the last 8 years. I just cannot deal with that. I (and apparently many others) want to put a stake in the heart of this crap, and I think Obama is the only way to do it.

  28. 28.

    TheFountainHead

    What’s worse is it makes Sullivan look sane.

    QFT. For weeks I’d been saying to myself, “Yeesh, Sully, you’re starting to sound a little shrill.” But since he’s come back from vacation and after the recent Clinton stunts, he seems to have been calling it all along. Which is scary.

  29. 29.

    Neal

    It seems that Clinton is suffering from the same illness that GWB has had for quite some time now – that being completely-fucking-oblivious-to-reality-itis. Huckabee has a mild case but I think it will clear up relatively soon. Clinton’s seems to be rather serious.
    No matter what happens in TX and OH, she’ll find a way to spin it. This will keep going. By the time she is done the only states in the union that will “matter” are New Hampshire, California, and New York…and Florida and Michigan. It’s HER party and she’ll cry if she wants to. Nothing anyone can do to stop it.
    I do wish Edwards and Gore would get on with endorsing but I agree with the comment above that Edwards is waiting to see what gives him the best chance in the future and Gore…well, I don’t know what Manbearpig is up to.

  30. 30.

    Jake

    John, I’ve given up trying to interest my IT department in the fact that we’ve been cloned so badly we get 20 slices o’ self spam a day and our customers are getting bombarded.

    At least things are settling down in Iraq.

  32. 32.

    Zifnab

    I don’t know why we keep letting the Clinton camp shift the goalposts. Clinton needs to win Texas AND Ohio by double digits or it is over. That is the math. That was the agreed upon spin when Clinton was polling 20 points ahead of Obama a few weeks ago. The word FIREWALL ring a bell?

    Some of you now seem willing to buy the spin that as long as she doesn’t lose both, she can continue on with a chance. Wrong. She needs to WIN both by large margins.

    Christ- have you all learned nothing from the 8 year game of move the goalposts the Bushies have put us through?

    If she wins them, she can continue on with the illusion that she can take the convention with her band of Taylor Marsh cloned storm troopers.

    If she loses one or both, she’s going to be playing the “I’m not a math girl, I’m a miracles girl” card running up to the nomination. At a certain point, people will just not give her any more money to continue campaigning with. Her real firewall is determined by her bank balance.

  33. 33.

    John S.

    Well, even Bill has said she needs to win both TX and OH to remain viable.

    Since when do you care what the Big Dog thinks??

    h/t myiq2xu

  34. 34.

    Jen

    Gore…well, I don’t know what Manbearpig is up to.

    I thought CW was he was staying officially neutral in case a Wise Elder Party Leader was needed to help mediate (or arbitrate?) something really nasty someday within the par-tay…

  35. 35.

    Jen

    Since when do you care what the Big Dog thinks??

    All *real* women care what the Big Dog thinks….

    Does this dress make me look fat….enough? :)

  36. 36.

    TheFountainHead

    Hahaha, Hillaryis44 is on FIRE this morning. Dumpster diving for poop gold, I found this:

    SpacegirlArt Says:
    February 26th, 2008 at 8:39 am

    God…everytime I see BO now he looks more and more angry. Has that RAGE in his eyes

    LMAO

  37. 37.

    Neal

    All real women care what the Big Dog thinks….

    Does this dress make me look fat…enough?

    Oh, that one hurts. Nice.

  38. 38.

    4tehlulz

    God…everytime I see BO now he looks more and more angry. Has that RAGE in his eyes

    ANGRY BLACK MAN DETECTED! OH NOES!

  39. 39.

    Neal

    Anyone else think it’s funny that underneath Obama’s scandalous “muslim robes” he’s wearing a spiffy red polo and some khaki pants? And a nice watch?
    At least he’s a terrorist with style.

  40. 40.

    TheFountainHead

    OH NOES!! According to a well informed commenter over at Hillaryis44.com, Obama = Teh Nazis!!

    Dedfg, I agree about the Nazi Germany analogy. I have seen many documentaries and read quite a bit about the rise and fall of the Third Reich and the Obamamania phenomena is in many ways a carbon copy of the Nazi propaganda machine’s strategy. It’s terrifying.

    Great Googaly Moogly these people are living on another planet!

    What’s really scary is that they vote!!

  41. 41.

    4tehlulz

    Have they bought into the “Obama is the Antichrist” meme I’ve seen floating around occasionally? That would make their insanity complete.

  42. 42.

    Neal

    Dedfg, I agree about the Nazi Germany analogy. I have seen many documentaries and read quite a bit about the rise and fall of the Third Reich and the Obamamania phenomena is in many ways a carbon copy of the Nazi propaganda machine’s strategy. It’s terrifying.

    Holy Fucking Shit! OMFG!
    These people sound crazier than the damn Social Cons right now! At least with the Socons we can blame literal interpretation of the bible and the fact that some people are a bit easily led. These HRC people are just out of their minds.

    So, BHO = Muslim terrorist AND Adolf Hitler.

    Wow.

  43. 43.

    Halteclere

    I have seen many documentaries and read quite a bit about the rise and fall of the Third Reich and the Obamamania phenomena is in many ways a carbon copy of the Nazi propaganda machine’s strategy.

    Translation: I read Liberal Fascism and, like, everything it said is, like, totally true!

  44. 44.

    4tehlulz

    I have seen many documentaries and read quite a bit about the rise and fall of the Third Reich and the Obamamania phenomena is in many ways a carbon copy of the Nazi propaganda machine’s strategy.

    Yes! Except without all that political violence and stuff.

    You know, I think that Hillaryis44 is actually a right-wing spoof site; if that is the case, then all I can say is: “Well played, sir. Well played.”

  45. 45.

    Davebo

    Looks like Bob Perry has a new cause.

    Houston gets nuked

    Congressional candidate Brian Klock, right, and supporter Bob Perry show Klock’s campaign billboard, depicting Houston under siege.

    “Showing Houston in flames is reminding them there is a threat,” he added. “What we wanted to do is project mayhem.”

    Mishun Akomplished

  46. 46.

    myiq2xu

    I don’t know why we keep letting the Clinton camp shift the goalposts. Clinton needs to win Texas AND Ohio by double digits or it is over.

    WHO is moving the goalposts?

    “She needs to win Texas and Ohio” is now “she needs to win Texas and Ohio by double digits.”

    Exit polls show that Democrats are voting for Hillary by a substantial margin.

    Independents and cross-over Republicans are voting for Obama.

    If this race comes down to the superdelegates (and it will,) shouldn’t they vote for the candidate who most Democrats support?

  48. 48.

    Billy K

    Does this dress make me look fat….enough?

    Sounds like the kind of crap an insensitive man would say.

  49. 49.

    DeSelby

    Let me guess the subject of the spoofed spam emails: Fake high-end watches.

    I had the same problem and traced the IP back to South Korea.

    Those fake-watch spammers are relentless and I hope someone prosecutes them someday.

  50. 50.

    myiq2xu

    You know, I think that Hillaryis44 is actually a right-wing spoof site; if that is the case, then all I can say is: “Well played, sir. Well played.”

    It seems like everyday someone pastes some comments allegedly from Hillaryis44 over here claiming its “comedy gold.” This whole theme was never funny and is really old now. I’ve seen some pretty deranged Obamaniac comments on a few sites too.

    Who cares? Even I don’t visit that site. For all we know the people posting that stuff here posted them over there under different aliases.

  51. 51.

    myiq2xu

    Have they bought into the “Obama is the Antichrist” meme I’ve seen floating around occasionally? That would make their insanity complete.

    Antichrist? That’s a little much.

    I saw a site called “Obama is your new bicycle.”

  52. 52.

    John S.

    If this race comes down to the superdelegates (and it will,) shouldn’t they vote for the candidate who most Democrats support?

    Only if they want to win an election in the Democratic States of America.

    That’s the whole point of Obama’s pitch – to do what Bush only paid lip service to – and actually be a president to a majority of Americans. Besides, it is difficult for someone to get elected with ONLY the support of their party. That is why in nearly every hypothetical matchup, Obama beats McCain in states where Hillary would lose.

    That’s what it all boils down to – winning the presidency. I think Hillary may yet come on board with that idea.

  53. 53.

    ThymeZone

    Clinton needs to win Texas AND Ohio by double digits or it is over. That is the math.

    Yes, as validated by none other than Bill Clinton himself, over the weekend.

    It’s over in terms of her being able to get a majority of pledged delegates before the convention. Whether she thinks it is over, remains to be seen. The whole political world knows that a decision on her part is going to have to be made, and if she decides wrong (to push her campaign to the convention and employ rules games and backroom maneuvering) then the party is fucked and the whole election cycle is up in the air.

    Until we know how THAT turns out, we are all just a little verklempt out here.

  54. 54.

    ThymeZone

    Have they bought into the “Obama is the Antichrist” meme I’ve seen floating around occasionally? That would make their insanity complete.

    No, Jerry Falwell had already ascertained (God spoke to him, if I remember correctly) that the AC is a jew.

    Al Franken said that he asked Falwell whether it could be Marvin Hamlisch, but I don’t think he got a definitive answer.

  55. 55.

    myiq2xu

    No, Jerry Falwell had already ascertained (God spoke to him, if I remember correctly) that the AC is a jew.

    Wasn’t Barack’s mother Jewish?

  56. 56.

    RSA

    I am so disappointed in Hillary folks that every day seem more like Bush folk with a “D” after their name instead of an “R.”

    A long time ago I would have said, “How a candidate campaigns doesn’t necessarily reflect how he’ll act in office,” but I think that’s wrong now. There’s the continuous campaign, which I understand goes back to Nixon, and it has good points (it casts the President as a persuader rather than a decider) and bad points (it’s about politics rather than policy). I think it’s reached its nadir with the Bush crowd, where most of the deceptions, dirty tricks, and outright criminality that seem to work during a campaign are applied even after the election. Clinton’s not doing herself any favors by showing how far she’s willing to go to get elected.

  57. 57.

    Billy K

    I saw a site called “Obama is your new bicycle.”

    Wow. Your internet-fu is weak. That meme is dead already. Pronounced yesterday by Slate. You really need to keep up.

  58. 58.

    myiq2xu

    Yes, as validated by none other than Bill Clinton himself, over the weekend.

    Did he say “by double digits?”

  59. 59.

    ThymeZone

    In the beginning of 1999, when all the millennium fervor was starting, Jerry Falwell felt it was important enough to announce that the anti-Christ was alive and is a male Jew. Now, as a male Jew I was, you know, curious — (laughter) — who exactly it was — because I knew it wasn’t me, you know. (Laughter.) So, fortunately, a few months later I was on the Geraldo Rivera show with the Reverend Falwell — we weren’t talking about whether the anti-Christ was alive or not, but a different subject — but I couldn’t help myself, and I said, “Reverend Falwell, you said a couple of months ago that the anti-Christ is alive and is a male Jew. Is that true?” And he said, “Yes.” And he explained that since Christ was a male Jew the anti-Christ would also have to be a male Jew, and I said, “Of course.” (Laughter.) I said — but I said, “But I want to know who it is. I have a theory,” I told him. I said, “I think it’s Marvin Hamlisch.” (Laughter.) “Is it Marvin Hamlisch?” And he — he said he didn’t know.

    Al Franken.

    In case you all thought I was making it up.

  61. 61.

    myiq2xu

    Wow. Your internet-fu is weak. That meme is dead already. Pronounced yesterday by Slate. You really need to keep up.

    I don’t visit whacko sites (other than this one)

  62. 62.

    myiq2xu

    No, he didn’t say that. But anyone can do the fucking math.

    I have to take off my shoes to count to 20

  63. 63.

    Billy K

    I don’t visit whacko sites

    Wait – are you calling Slate whacko, or Barack Obama Is Your New Bicycle? Cause Slate is so far in the tank for Hillary, I can’t stand reading it lately (except for Mickey Kaus, who I quit reading about a year ago). I mean, Slate is all about Triangulation and Capitulation (to right-wing memes). It doesn’t get any more Blue Dog than them.

  64. 64.

    myiq2xu

    Cause Slate is so far in the tank for Hillary, I can’t stand reading it lately

    Really? I’ve been looking for a site to replace Dailykos Obama on my favorites list.

  65. 65.

    Billy K

    I’ve been looking for a site to replace Dailykos Obama on my favorites list.

    Gvie it a try. Bruce Reed really can’t say enough good things about your gal.

  66. 66.

    myiq2xu

    Bruce Reed really can’t say enough good things about your gal.

    She’s not “my” gal.

    I’m just letting her use me until I get a job in the new administration.

  70. 70.

    The Other Steve

    In other news the Hong Kong primary still does not count and their delegates will not be seated at the convention.

  71. 71.

    myiq2xu

    In other news the Hong Kong primary still does not count and their delegates will not be seated at the convention.

    Can Hillary still keep the donations?

  72. 72.

    zzyzx

    Have they bought into the “Obama is the Antichrist” meme I’ve seen floating around occasionally? That would make their insanity complete.

    A few of them have. The sad thing is that I can kind of see the point ;)

  74. 74.

    Caidence (fmr. Chris)

    QFT. For weeks I’d been saying to myself, “Yeesh, Sully, you’re starting to sound a little shrill.” But since he’s come back from vacation and after the recent Clinton stunts, he seems to have been calling it all along. Which is scary.

    Speaking of Sully, I’m co-opting one of his posts, then ducking out because I don’t feel like dealing with the spoofs-who-are-remarkably-like-trolls.

    When Kristol is reduced to actually saying “the politics of fear” rather than simply exploiting it, you realize that the Obama campaign has not just discombobulated Clinton. It has discombobulated the pundit class elsewhere.

    That’s something I didn’t notice. Obama is mind-fucking all of these dipshits that can’t tell up from down, and he’s doing it well enough, that they come out and say they’re poisonous cretins without realizing it.

    Maybe he is a little early for the Presidency, but damn if he ain’t one big dose of sunlight on U.S. politics. Stick an amplifier in him; crank him up to 11.

  76. 76.

    myiq2xu

    I’ll see you a Sully and raise you a Spengler:

    Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.

  77. 77.

    ThymeZone

    but damn if he ain’t one big dose of sunlight on U.S. politics.

    Oooooh nnnooooh, don’t say that. Hillary will mock him and his “bright light coming down from on high to solve all our problems.”

    And then, you know, he will pick up another 5 points on the next primary election day.

    Okay, go ahead and say it.

  78. 78.

    chopper

    “She needs to win Texas and Ohio” is now “she needs to win Texas and Ohio by double digits.”

    actually, it was ‘she needs to win by double digits’ a while ago.

  79. 79.

    ThymeZone

    The senior Obama died in a 1982 car crash. Kenyan government officials in those days normally spent their nights drinking themselves stupid at the Pan-Afrique Hotel. Two or three of them would be found with their Mercedes wrapped around a palm tree every morning. During the 1970s I came to know a number of them, mostly British-educated hollow men dying inside of their own hypocrisy and corruption.

    From the Spengler link.

    That is some mighty fine screed material. I don’t know if I have seen better, really.

  80. 80.

    myiq2xu

    Hillary on NAFTA:

    David Gergen, on CNN’s Anderson Cooper 360 last night, second hour:

    If I could just add one other postscript, Anderson, on NAFTA; I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight. And I must tell you, Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA. She — and I think that’s putting it mildly. I’m not sure how she objected to all the provisions of it. She just didn’t see why that White House had to go do that fight.

    She was very unhappy about it, wanted to move on to health care. So I do think there’s some justification for her camp saying, you know, she’s never been a great backer of NAFTA.

    Oh, yeah, and this:

    See this video of the Machinists’ Union president describing how Sen. Obama screwed Illinois union members who worked for Maytag while giving them a big speech about helping them and taking their hard-earned money — but that Obama then took money from Maytag owners and never spoke up about the workers to the owners.

  81. 81.

    myiq2xu

    That is some mighty fine screed material. I don’t know if I have seen better, really.

    I stand in awe. I knew it would get ugly, but I didn’t expect it to sound so sophisticated.

  83. 83.

    John S.

    David Gergen on Hillary on NAFTA:

    If I could just add one other postscript, Anderson, on NAFTA; I was actually there in the Clinton White House during the NAFTA fight. And I must tell you, Hillary Clinton was extremely unenthusiastic about NAFTA.

    Hillary on NAFTA:

    Creating a free trade zone in North America—the largest free trade zone in the world—would expand U.S. exports, create jobs and ensure that our economy was reaping the benefits, not the burdens, of globalization. Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal.

    Interesting comparitive analysis here.

  84. 84.

    Ed Drone

    I’ve been thinking about John McCain and his problems, and, though I could talk on and on about it, decided to do a “shorter” me:

    The ‘Straight Talk Express’ doesn’t stop at your station, but delivers you straight to the lobby.

    Ed

  85. 85.

    The Other Steve

    there’s another f$%$#ucking debate tonite? WHY??

    We’re going to have one a week until Clinton finally wins!

  86. 86.

    Punchy

    Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother’s milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.

    God DAMN that’s some high-class spoof. I realize this has been mentioned before, but you really couldn’t put The Onion and these right-wingers next to each other and be able to tell the diff….Unpossible.

  88. 88.

    J. Michael Neal

    I have seen many documentaries and read quite a bit about the rise and fall of the Third Reich and the Obamamania phenomena is in many ways a carbon copy of the Nazi propaganda machine’s strategy.

    Yes! Except without all that political violence and stuff.

    I dunno. I Joint Chiefs of Staff might want to beef up their personal security if Obama is elected.

  89. 89.

    Pb

    I’ll see you a Sully and raise you a Spengler

    Wow, you’re still peddling that garbage. I’ll call your Spengler.

    So is happily married Hillary hopping in the sack with Muslim female aide Huma Abedin? My guess is yes.
    […]
    “I am close enough to Hillary and Huma to tell you that this ‘rumor’ is true,” the official says. “It is well known inside her campaign that Hillary and Huma are an item.

    “If you call Hillary’s residence in DC first thing in the morning, Huma answers the phone,” the official continues. “Same thing late at night and on the road. It’s a closely guarded secret that Hillary’s inner circle guards at all costs.”

    And if that’s not enough for you, of course there’s more of it out there, like “Is Hillary’s Aide Huma Abedin An Agent Of Saudi Intelligence?” Enjoy.

  90. 90.

    Krista

    Obama in a press conference post-Dodd-endorsement:

    “It is important for me as well as Sen. Clinton to communicate to our staffs as well that… we’re both trying out for quarterback, but we’re on the same team… I think things have gotten a little hotter over the last couple of days, but these things have gone, sort of, in ebbs and flows.”

    Can I just state now, for the record, that if anybody says that his use of the word “flows” is an indicator of sexism, I will lose my freaking mind?

  91. 91.

    Pb

    Krista,

    OMG, he said she was trying out for quarterback! How dare he! And then… “things have gotten a little hotter”?! WTF! I’m voting for McCain!

    </HillaryIs44>

  92. 92.

    myiq2xu

    Interesting comparitive analysis here.

    From Salon:

    The Clinton campaign, in response, is trumpeting a passage from the Decatur Herald and Review published in September 2004, in which the paper reported that “Obama said the United States benefits enormously from exports under the WTO and NAFTA.”

    So a pox on both their houses? Both candidates, fighting for their political lives in Ohio, are sharpening their anti-globalization rhetoric. Consider us shocked. But what do their actual voting records in the Senate tell us?

    As far as differentiating one from the other: absolutely nothing.

    Since Barack Obama joined the Senate in January 2005, he and Hillary Clinton have an identical voting record on significant trade-related issues. Both voted for free trade agreements with Bahrain and Oman, and both voted against CAFTA — the Central American Free Trade Agreement. Both voted to prohibit Mexican trucks from operating in the U.S. (as provided for in NAFTA). And on Dec. 4, 2007, both failed to vote at all on a free trade agreement with Peru.

    (snip)

    Once again, we are faced with two candidates who are far more alike than they are different. Which is not to say it’s impossible to make distinctions. Jared Bernstein, a senior economist at the left-leaning Economic Policy Institute, believes that Hillary Clinton has staked out a position slightly to the left of Barack Obama’s. He cited her call for a trade “time out” as evidence.

  93. 93.

    The Other Andrew

    So, wait. I thought that Hillary was for NAFTA before she was against it, but myiq is telling us that she was against it in private, for it in public, and is now against it in public. That should make for some clear, concise soundbytes…

  94. 94.

    myiq2xu

    I’ll call your Spengler.

    Hillary is a lesbian? That is soooo 1996!

    I hear that Bill is a trisexual.

    He’ll try anything

  95. 95.

    myiq2xu

    Can I just state now, for the record, that if anybody says that his use of the word “flows” is an indicator of sexism, I will lose my freaking mind?

    Don’t get hysterical.

  96. 96.

    Billy K

    Can I just state now, for the record, that if anybody says that his use of the word “flows” is an indicator of sexism, I will lose my freaking mind?

    “staffs?”
    “hotter?”

    It’s pretty clear what he’s getting at.

  97. 97.

    myiq2xu

    “staffs?”
    “hotter?”

    It’s pretty clear what he’s getting at.

    It is important for me as well as Sen. Clinton to communicate to our staffs as well that…

    Is he saying Hillary has a penis?

  99. 99.

    myiq2xu

    Seeing what the traditional treatment was for hysteria, I think I can live with that diagnosis.

    Just be careful – you don’t want to chip your teeth

  104. 104.

    myiq2xu

    My teeth? Jesus, where did you get your anatomy lessons—Bill Frist’s School of Medicine?

    Sorry, I thought you were a blond.

  105. 105.

    Krista

    Sorry, I thought you were a blond.

    And what if I was? You’re either making a vagina dentata joke, or you’re saying that blondes are too dumb to know how to use a vibrator correctly. I’m guessing it’s the latter.

    If so, good joke. Shall I forward it along to Hillary for you?

  107. 107.

    myiq2xu

    Vagina dentata reference myiq?

    I thought “vagina dentata” was latin for nature’s dental floss.

  110. 110.

    Krista

    Well played, sir!

    The Hillary bit, not the dental floss bit. The former was clever, the latter was just….ew.

  111. 111.

    ThymeZone

    Once again, we are faced with two candidates who are far more alike than they are different

    Good god, who are the brainless fuckheads that get paid to write shit like this?

    Two candidates share policy views, therefore, there is no difference between them?

    So … all of us who share policy views, we’re just all alike? As if we were — whtat? — the same person?

    WHAT THE FUCK?

    How could two people be more different from each other than Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama? And this fucking idiot wants to suggest that because we can find policy alignments, there’s no difference between them?

    If this were all about voting records, then why bother having a campaign? Simply lay out the policy and voting materials, let the voters pore over them … and choose. We don’t even have to know who we are choosing. Just Candidate A and Candidate B. We’ll review the records and pick one, and they can tell us later who A and B really are.

  112. 112.

    The Other Steve

    Hillary’s position on things depends on the polling. She has consistently been against things in private which are now publically unpopular, and consistently for things in private which are now popular that weren’t before.

  113. 113.

    4tehlulz

    I guess Obama does attract votes from outside the Democratic Party after all.

    Looks like Hillary has her excuse not to withdraw if she loses Texas.

    Doesn’t count etc.

  114. 114.

    myiq2xu

    Hillary’s position on things depends on the polling. She has consistently been against things in private which are now publically unpopular, and consistently for things in private which are now popular that weren’t before.

    Unlike Obama who has consistently taken principled stands on controversial issues like . . .uh, what?

  115. 115.

    myiq2xu

    Looks like Hillary has her excuse not to withdraw if she loses Texas.

    You’re starting to get the hang of this.

  116. 116.

    The Other Steve

    Unlike Obama who has consistently taken principled stands on controversial issues like . . .uh, what?

    Whether or not it’s over if Hillary loses Texas or Ohio.

  117. 117.

    myiq2xu

    The Hillary bit, not the dental floss bit. The former was clever, the latter was just….ew.

    So you’re pro-gingivitis?

    I believe in flossing daily

  118. 118.

    The Other Steve

    You’re starting to get the hang of this.

    No, we’ve pretty much had Hillary’s MO nailed from Day One.

  120. 120.

    myiq2xu

    No, we’ve pretty much had Hillary’s MO nailed from Day One.

    Which day was “Day One?”

    10/26/47?

  122. 122.

    4tehlulz

    I don’t suppose it’s occurred to anyone that Rush and evil Dick want Hillary to stay in and cause more turmoil in the party, would it?

  123. 123.

    myiq2xu

    Card-carrying liberal?:

    When I’ve wondered, as a result of, for example, Obama’s vote to confirm Condi Rice as Secretary of State, his endorsement of Joe Lieberman, his support of McCain’s immigration plan, or his opposition to impeachment, whether he’s really progressive, I’m told to trust him—and that Hillary’s done stupid shit, too, which, believe me, I know, but that doesn’t actually tell me anything about Obama.

    When my spidey-sense starts tingling at the use of framing that alienates progressives, of right-wing talking points, of the favorable invocation of ideological opponents despite assertions he doesn’t like their policies, and of calls for reconciliation without balance, I’m told to trust him, and my concerns about his rhetoric’s misalignment with liberalism dismissed as preposterous: But of course he’s a liberal!

    So why is he telling me that he isn’t?

    But she’s a feminist, so it doesn’t count.

  124. 124.

    myiq2xu

    I don’t suppose it’s occurred to anyone that Rush and evil Dick want Hillary to stay in and cause more turmoil in the party, would it?

    Who cares what Limbaugh and Cheney want?

  126. 126.

    chopper

    Obama said the United States benefits enormously from exports under the WTO and NAFTA

    the US benefits from exported goods? oh noes! obama’s a monster!

  127. 127.

    HeartlandLiberal

    Piffle. I was targeted by a spammer a few years ago, and collected over 30,000 bounced undeliverable emails purportedly from my main work address in a matter of a few days. I had to write a rule to catch them as they hit my inbox and route them to temporary holding file. My Outlook window kept open all day on my desktop just sort of jiggled up and down all the time as the messages flowed in and with in fractions of a second were routed out into the junk box. Finally the email admins on the border servers did me a favor a dropped a rule in place that dev nulled the flow before it hit my account.

    I had suffered a similar attack even more years early, just when spam was starting to reach a fever pitch, but it was only 5 or 6 thousand bounces.

    Did I mention I have hated spammers for years?

  128. 128.

    myiq2xu

    Who cares what Limbaugh and Cheney want?

    “Evil dick” sounds like something you would catch in a Bangkok whorehouse.

  130. 130.

    borehole

    I don’t mind myiq2xu’s single-minded advocacy of Hillary, but his lame puns will DESTROY THE PARTY.

  131. 131.

    myiq2xu

    I don’t mind myiq2xu’s single-minded advocacy of Hillary, but his lame puns will DESTROY THE PARTY.

    It’s part of the “win at all costs” “scorched earth” strategy.

  133. 133.

    4tehlulz

    “Evil dick” sounds like something you would catch in a Bangkok whorehouse.

    I think that the odds are pretty good that Dick Morris would be caught in a Bangkok whorehouse.

  134. 134.

    Face

    And what if I was? You’re either making a vagina dentata joke, or you’re saying that blondes are too dumb to know how to use a vibrator correctly. I’m guessing it’s the latter.

    Thanks! I didn’t understand the “chip teeth” thing. I do now. Perhaps that’s a bad thing.

  135. 135.

    Paul L.

    More positive stereotypes for West Virginia.

    A movie about to be filmed in Pittsburgh is casting Gothic characters — including an albino-like girl and deformed people — to depict West Virginia mountain people. “‘Regular-looking” children need not apply.

    That’s the gist of an open casting call for paid extras for “Shelter,” a horror film starring Julianne Moore that will begin shooting in Pittsburgh in March.

    The casting call scheduled for Sunday invites “men and women of all races, 18 or older,” to try out as extras, according to the announcement from Downtown-based Donna Belajac Casting. But the extras wanted for the West Virginia scenes evoke images of “Deliverance” and “The Hills Have Eyes.”

  137. 137.

    myiq2xu

    About time someone told the truth:

    Rather, the new suggestion is that the press is reveling in Hillary’s downfall, and that this lust to see Hillary lose is driving coverage.

    To which I would add: the majority of the lefty blogosphere.

  138. 138.

    chopper

    About time someone told the truth:

    keep going with the ‘perpetual victim’ shtick. it still looks great on you.

  139. 139.

    myiq2xu

    keep going with the ‘perpetual victim’ shtick. it still looks great on you.

    Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free!

    (and no, Obama didn’t say it first)

  140. 140.

    myiq2xu

    Ruh roh! Fire up the Mystery Machine:

    A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama’s fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.

    The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain’s wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago.

    Can anyone say “feet of clay?”

  141. 141.

    myiq2xu

    Bill Burton, a spokesman for Mr Obama, told The Times: “The bottom line is Obama does not recall ever meeting him [Mr Auchi].”

    What was that phrase used yesterday about the Obama photo kerfluffle?

    “Non-denial denial?”

  143. 143.

    Xenos

    Or is that more of a modified limited hangout? I was was but a wee lad during the Nixon era, so this gets beyond me at times.

  145. 145.

    John S.

    What a thread.

    I hate to say it, but myiq2xu’s posts are starting to resemble those of Paul L. in both content and tone.

    Relax, man. It will all be over soon.

  148. 148.

    chopper

    Oh, and Stephen Fry has a few words of advice for Senator Clinton.

    when he was young, fry spent a few months in jail.

    the name of the place? pucklechurch prison.

    seriously, that’s what it’s called.

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