Daily Kos has several diaries devoted to voting problems, turnout, etc. — that’s about all I have seen.
As soon as the polls close in any state, we’ll see the media declare the winners. Then they count the votes …Somehow that seems bass-ackwards, you know?
I remember when you had to wait till the next morning, if not longer, for results to be declared. Oh tempo, oh mores, or something like that.
I will never, never, never (I mean it) pay any heed to “early” exit poll data.
When the polls close in any state, CNN promptly puts up the first worthwhile exit poll data, typically from about 900 voters. That is good stuff. Anything earlier is not worth anything.
One more note … as the night wears on, the exit poll data is updated, usually totalling about 1800 voters. And of course, eventually we get the raw vote.
7.
Jake
Depending on the results, Texas and Ohio don’t count.
8.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Daily Kos has several diaries devoted to voting problems, turnout, etc.—that’s about all I have seen.
As soon as the polls close in any state, we’ll see the media declare the winners. Then they count the votes
Actually, assuming the media isn’t a conspiracy (no, I don’t believe that!), the media’s estimate should be better than any problematic election, because those are done from exit polls. Therefore the information is on who they wanted to vote for, not on what the machines/boxes recorded.
Of course, if the problem election site doesn’t get corrected and puts out bad results, then there’s still a problem.
If that’s the worst picture Obama suffers this election cycle, he’ll get off really, really light. After all, McCain’s got that pic of him dry-humping King George the Lesser to overcome.
And if this story is accurate, Clinton is in a world of crap no matter how the primaries work out today.
Obama managed to pull his Dukakis, if the Red Staters act as predicted with this.
The incriminating picture here.
Its not like he’s in overalls with a piece of straw haniging out his mouth. It looks like he’s taking a good natured picture on a tractor not pretending to be a hayseed.
I have a somehwat limited perspective, but Huckabee has less than no traction in the major cities. I think Ron Paul will poll surprisingly well (or not so surprising — we ARE Texas, and it IS a caucus) and mitigate the East Texans for Huckabee vote. All the energy is on the Democratic side though.
I’m caucusing tonight. Pictures if possible, with a post to come tonight. My precinct is in an interesting location, as we draw from the Montrose area of Houston (the alternative lifestyle area to live in) and River Oaks (old money, but somewhat liberal socially). I expect quite a few Hillary supporters, though my neighborhood is almost entirely Obama.
Oh, well. I was looking for more fun on the Republican side.
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Dug Jay
The latest polls indicate that hillary should win three out of four, enough to keep her in the race until Pennsylvania at least. Apparently Obama is dropping like a rock in Ohio after he and his campaign were caught with their pants down on NAFTA; the voters are beginning to see that Obama is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be black.
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Billy K
I’m voting after work. May stay and caucus, but I don’t have a lot of time. I’ll report from Dallas tonight.
(Oh, and despite talks of a Hillary Comeback, I’m sticking to my prediction of Texas to Obama by 5-10%.)
Hillary up by 6 in OH and by 1 in TX. 8 more weeks of winter.
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TheFountainHead
The latest polls indicate that hillary should win three out of four, enough to keep her in the race until Pennsylvania at least. Apparently Obama is dropping like a rock in Ohio after he and his campaign were caught with their pants down on NAFTA; the voters are beginning to see that Obama is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be black.
I’m really trying to figure out how this can’t be read as: “Obama’s only won as much as he has because he’s black.”
At least the Clinton campaign is doing what it can to prevent the unreasonably favorable media coverage I fear for tonight — by making reporters sit in the restroomand serving them food there. Competence!
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Studly Pantload
I’m saving the pants shitting for old age, but yeah, I’m really pulling for a TKO, tonight: even two 1-point wins in TX and OH for the MUP, and the intra-party pressure to drop out should literally fall on Camp Hillary like a proverbial ton of bricks, so to speak. Izzat too audacious to hope for?
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Ninerdave
Obama managed to pull his Dukakis, if the Red Staters act as predicted with this.
The incriminating picture here.
That’s no different than Thompson with his red pickup.
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Dug Jay
I absolutely love Howard dean.
…. She’ll win in Ohio and RI tomorrow and tie in Texas. She’ll start making the case that she’s the one who has won all the big Dem states and between now and Pennsylvania, she’ll beat on Obama like he’s a baby seal and she’s in need of a new fur coat. She then will win Penn. and [we’ll] will have a mess on [our] hands for sure
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Billy K
Hillary up by 6 in OH and by 1 in TX. 8 more weeks of winter.
I’m not feeling too confident right now, but Obama does tend to underpoll some as his GoTV movement is pretty impressive. Maybe that’ll be what is needed.
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Zifnab
Ron Paul got my vote (as I have to vote a Republican ticket for my local election vote to mean anything) and I totally think he can pull through! Go Paul!
:p
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Jimitha
Florida and Michigan are just the beginning. What about all the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised Edwards voters? Their votes are completely meaningless now! They simply don’t count.
That doesn’t sound very democratic. It sounds downright unfair.
Fortunately, there’s a reasonable solution. Once Obama has been damaged enough, we’ll have a revote in Iowa and South Carolina, with Edwards subtracted from the mix, in order to ensure Clinton has a remote chance of capturing enough delegates fairness and democracy.
Should I go looking for Dug Jay’s link to the bogus story of the Dem Party head choosing the losing side, or can I just assume he’s full of shit and ignore this?
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Dennis - SGMM
…or can I just assume he’s full of shit and ignore this?
As always.
SA2SQ
37.
Jen
Cleek, you may be the only one here who will appreciate my pitch for Tift Merritt’s new album. Good, and only $8. At Merlefest next month and the Carolina Theatre this month.
I don’t think that Dug Jay is full of shit. I think he defecates it out on us here.
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Chris
…the voters are beginning to see that Obama is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be black.
You do realize that this can also read:
“The voters are beginning to see that Clinton is pretty much like any other politician….she just happens to be female.”
“The voters are beginning to see that McCain is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be old.”
“The voters are beginning to see that Huckabee is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be a religious nut.”
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Martin
The latest polls indicate that hillary should win three out of four
I don’t trust the sample on many of those polls. 19% African-American turnout and 35% Latino in an election featuring an African-American? Come on…
Ohio Clinton single digits, Texas Obama double digits, Vermont Obama double digits, Rhode Island toss-up, leaning Obama. Lot of undecideds in RI, and they’ve been breaking for Obama. RI might suffer from the Deval effect as NH and MA did and break Clinton though. Hard to say. NAFTA/Canada took Obama out of the running in Ohio. Too bad, really. News never picked up that Clinton’s people met with the Canadians as well and made the same vague assurances. Obama’s people should have corrected that.
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Punchy
Daily Kos has several diaries devoted to voting problems, turnout, etc.—that’s about all I have seen.
Surprise.
Seriously, the Libertyville High School Senior prom elections could suffer from one temporarily unguarded ballot box, and someone on DKos will diary it and get it recc’d.
These people turn traffic lights into conspiracies to stop liberals without cause. Unf’inreal.
Ron Paul got my vote (as I have to vote a Republican ticket for my local election vote to mean anything) and I totally think he can pull through! Go Paul!
Damn it, Zif. Didn’t you get the memo from Soros HQ? You needed to vote for Huckabee: the slogan was “Fuck the ‘phants! Vote Huck!”
Oh and apparently exit polls will be released at 5 PM EST according to a random person on Daily Kos. I’m starting to twitch wanting to know something, anything.
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IanY77
Any word on the elections?
Well, I’ve been up for about three and a half hours. Another thirty minutes and I should probably call my doct…ooooohhhhh, elections. No, nothing yet. Go Obama!
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The Other Steve
Obama managed to pull his Dukakis, if the Red Staters act as predicted with this.
The incriminating picture here.
Looks like an old 1950s Ford.
Ypu, I think it’s a Ford 801 Powermaster. Kind of hard to see the whole tractor, but just based on the cowling around the steering wheel, the color, the fenders, i think that’s right.
Nothing wrong with sitting on an old tractor.
46.
The Other Steve
That’s no different than Thompson with his red pickup.
I can picture John McCain in a pink cadillac.
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Martin
That doesn’t sound very democratic.
Primaries aren’t democratic. They are internal party matters designed to pick a candidate. And elections are never fair. If you want fair, get rid of the money first and you’ll only have about 7 million unfair factors still to get rid of, including the media.
As it’s an open thread, let me interrupt to say that I suspect most of us with gaming skeletons in our closet (or still living and animated) will be bowing our heads in respect — as I muttered on my blog, Gary Gygax has passed on.
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Dennis - SGMM
Seriously, the Libertyville High School Senior prom elections could suffer from one temporarily unguarded ballot box, and someone on DKos will diary it and get it recc’d.
These people turn traffic lights into conspiracies to stop liberals without cause. Unf’inreal.
I was an early poster on DKos. I gave it up when the emphasis shifted to long winded diaries: I couldn’t afford the tinfoil.
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chopper
one variable in ohio is the weather. nasty weather today, which tends to slow down older voters more than younger ones, the former being stronger hillary supporters vs the latter being stronger obama voters.
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Punchy
one variable in ohio is the weather. nasty weather today, which tends to slow down older voters more than younger ones, the former being stronger hillary supporters vs the latter being stronger obama voters.
Is there any reliable data that correlates weather with voting patterns? I’ve seen this attempt made by a number of peeps, I just don’t know if it’s legit. You could theorize almost anything:
Bad weather = college closings = students start drinking earlier = dont vote
Bad weather = roads closed = only bicyclers and Segwayers caucus = lots of votes for Gravel and Bloomberg
Bad weather = lots of rain = only chicks in non-white shirts actually get out of car to vote = wife-beaters are mostly white = the Whiskey-Tango crowd highly unrepresented
See?
52.
Roonieroo
Dangit Ned. I was having a decent day today and you went and blew it :( Crap. Have to go stare at my copy of Chainmail. Crap.
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jenniebee
Ugh – Dug Jay had no link, I had to google and then go through a couple of sites that are… perplexing strange to finally find the quote, which isn’t attributed to Dean at all, but rather attributed by K-Lo to Greg Pollowitz.
Why NRO contributors can’t just write their own things up, but must instead quote each others’ opinions is beyond me.
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Jimitha
Punchy, wild, unsubstantiated inferences about weather patterns, sympathy votes, antipathy votes, media bias, and so on are the very meat of punditry. There’s nothing “legit” about it; it’s designed to muddy the waters both before and after.
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TheFountainHead
Well, I’ve been up for about three and a half hours. Another thirty minutes and I should probably call my doct…ooooohhhhh, elections. No, nothing yet. Go Obama!
All I know is the weather in Houston is perfect. 65 degrees or so and sunny.
My precint is breaking a little over 2-1 for Democrats right now, and not very many have voted so far. By the way, further evidence that Obama is the Che candidate.
This is the picture on his Houston campaign headquarters. If the link doesn’t work, I’ll post it later tonight.
Oh and Tom, living in Houston…man how do you deal with that humidity. I visit my cousin there from time to time and want to kill myself.
No, the trick is you have to want to kill somebody else. That makes you feel much better.
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Garrigus Carraig
I would be much more concer–
FAIL. Thanks for playing, try harder next time.
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Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I would be much more concerned about this photo and the accompanying caption.
Every time I barely glance at a photo of Chelsea Clinton, I can’t help but think God hates her. First of all, her parents. She was given the ugliest features of her two parents. Then she spent her adolescent years in the White House. Now she’s out of a long stint of college — time for her career to get going — and her mom’s like “Help me campaign, I need my family with me!” Not to mention said campaign turned out to be a sad waste of time.
Dangit Ned. I was having a decent day today and you went and blew it :( Crap. Have to go stare at my copy of Chainmail. Crap.
Sorry man — I’m as bummed as you! I hate it when the heroes of my youth go.
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Dork
Petraeus, who is slated to testify before Congress on April 8-9, has said he favors a “period of assessment” after that so as not to lose the security gains made in recent months. Petraeus is expected to ask President Bush to wait until as late as September to decide whether to bring home more troops.
How convienent. I bet those returning troops wont be on every news outlet, beaming about what a utopia Iraq has become, right before elections. I’ve never seen a more politicized military ever.
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Cyrus
Buck Says:
I would be much more concerned about this photo and the accompanying caption.
I hope it’s not entirely partisanship speaking when I say that I found the last picture, the Bush family, the most offensive/scary/whatever. They have so much money that they can trace their ancestry five generations back and sideways and get everyone together long enough for a picture? It’s like the Hapsburgs.
so, how are the Clintonites going to explain-away all the Limbaugh-backed Republicans who vote for her today ?
are they going to complain about open primaries and people who would never vote for a Dem in the GE ? or are they going to find a way to smile and thank Rush for his support ?
I actually think Chelsea turned out to become far more attractive than I thought she would. She went thru a horribly awkward stage growing up, and at least she’s making something of herself unlike some other first daughters…
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crw
NAFTA/Canada took Obama out of the running in Ohio. Too bad, really. News never picked up that Clinton’s people met with the Canadians as well and made the same vague assurances. Obama’s people should have corrected that.
Give Clinton and her people their dues. They seem to understand this facet of campaigning much better than Obama and his people. I believe the saying is something like “it’s hard for your opponent to hit you if your fist is in their face.” Translation: she who attacks first controls the news cycle and the narrative framing.
Obama’s Rope-a-Dope is very effective when his opponents are slinging petty bullshit (“zomg Muslim! zomg he said he wants to be president in kindergarten!”). Not so much when the attack: a) plugs into an issue, b) uses his own words and actions against him, and c) frames the interpretations as all negative choices. There’s not much defending against those kinds of attacks. The only real ‘defense’ is not to give your opponents material to begin with. Since that’s basically impossible, the next best defense is a good offense.
Lesson for team Obama – when things get hotly contested, you’d better get aggressive. To reiterate, it’s hard for your opponent to hit you if your fist is in their face. I hope Obama’s people are digging into McCain’s record for all the crap they can hit him with. It shouldn’t be hard. There’s more than enough material there for them to attack him as too hot headed to be trusted with The Button, among other things.
I’m going to fill in for myiq: “See! He didn’t manage to answer all of the questions in the unscheduled-gaggle perfectly, refused to re-answer questions he’s already answered in a slow and patient manner, and still failed to please every reporter sexually!”
Being a jerk aside, Obama is still gonna have to make himself available for answers soon or this is going to look bad.
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Z
That really sucks about Gygax.
As for the election, try not to get your undies in a bunch, folks. It will be a couple of days before we know the delegate count in TX, and OH will go to Hillary. She did a better job of pretending to be a populist.
Regardless of the results, this primary contest is not the final battle before Armageddon.
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Napoleon
Heavy Republican cross over here in the Cleveland area:
So Limbaugh can’t effect the Republican nomination but he could throw the Democratic one? Weird.
Early unsubstantiated rumors have Clinton doing very well in OH but Obama having a chance of pulling off a RI shocker. Who knows if there’s anything behind them.
What a crock of shit. If anything, they made him purpler. Maybe they were intending to make him look like a freakish version of Violet Beauregarde, post-incident?
So what are you defending, Caidence? That they tried to make Obama blacker and did a shitty job at it?
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Cain
I think Chelsea has turned out to be a lovely girl. She looks mature and sophisticated. So I don’t know why you need to drag her looks into it. As someone else said above, she’s doing something positive with her life which is all we can ask for.
cain
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Caidence (fmr. Chris)
So what are you defending, Caidence? That they tried to make Obama blacker and did a shitty job at it?
No, they just have a shitty video editor. I’m saying she’s not guilty of anything here.
I think Chelsea has turned out to be a lovely girl. She looks mature and sophisticated. So I don’t know why you need to drag her looks into it.
I’m just saying I’m sympathetic. I wouldn’t dream of slighting her for her mother.
In fact, I’m sure she’s got VERY entertaining things to say about her.
No, they just have a shitty video editor. I’m saying she’s not guilty of anything here.
I don’t think she’s personally guilty of anything either. But I do think that her video editor and the person in charge of making those ads has some explaining to do.
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Caidence (fmr. Chris)
I don’t think she’s personally guilty of anything either. But I do think that her video editor and the person in charge of making those ads has some explaining to do.
Aww, can’t we dislike them without becoming like them? They’ve been digging up every inconsequential negative thing they can find just to get leverage, and they look terrible for it.
Can’t we win gracefully without accusing their under-paid, under-appreciated Clintonite video mangler of a conspiracy?
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Digital Amish
Im watching CNN and they keep talking about how confusing the Texas primary is. In fact it seems Wolf mentions how confusing it is every time Texas comes up. WTF. I know I’ll get a SATSQ here but here goes… Is it just that Wolf is fucking stupid or that Wolf thinks his viewership is as fucking dumb as he is?
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Dug Jay
The networks all give Ohio to Clinton, and she has also overtaken Obama’s huge initial lead in Texas. Her campaign says she’s staying in and on to Pennsylvania.
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TheFountainHead
I’ll be taking my primary night coverage with a bottle of Jack.
That’s all I know.
Oh. And it’s raining. Hard.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
/sits up/
Yes! Do tell!
Waitor! T-Bone of Texas with a helping of Ohio and a side of Rhode Island, please.
Oh, and hold the p-luk.
cleek
Dewey Wins Texas!
srv
Diebold is working on it.
Ed Drone
Daily Kos has several diaries devoted to voting problems, turnout, etc. — that’s about all I have seen.
As soon as the polls close in any state, we’ll see the media declare the winners. Then they count the votes …Somehow that seems bass-ackwards, you know?
I remember when you had to wait till the next morning, if not longer, for results to be declared. Oh tempo, oh mores, or something like that.
Ed
Stephen
I will never, never, never (I mean it) pay any heed to “early” exit poll data.
When the polls close in any state, CNN promptly puts up the first worthwhile exit poll data, typically from about 900 voters. That is good stuff. Anything earlier is not worth anything.
One more note … as the night wears on, the exit poll data is updated, usually totalling about 1800 voters. And of course, eventually we get the raw vote.
Jake
Depending on the results, Texas and Ohio don’t count.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Actually, assuming the media isn’t a conspiracy (no, I don’t believe that!), the media’s estimate should be better than any problematic election, because those are done from exit polls. Therefore the information is on who they wanted to vote for, not on what the machines/boxes recorded.
Of course, if the problem election site doesn’t get corrected and puts out bad results, then there’s still a problem.
Tom in Texas
Obama managed to pull his Dukakis, if the Red Staters act as predicted with this.
The incriminating picture here.
demimondian
Depending on the results, Massachusetts, New York, and California don’t count, too.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
“OMG dat’s so reminin– reminde–
he looks liek Jane Fonda!!!2”
demimondian
Speaking of not counting — how is Huckabee going to do in Texas, Tom? Is he going to pull the upset?
Mr Furious
Jesus. All I know is I am shitting my pants like it’s actually Election Day…that’s how badly I want Hillary to lose now.
scarshapedstar
As usual, lifelong Jewish democrats are squarely in the Pat Buchanan column.
Incertus
If that’s the worst picture Obama suffers this election cycle, he’ll get off really, really light. After all, McCain’s got that pic of him dry-humping King George the Lesser to overcome.
And if this story is accurate, Clinton is in a world of crap no matter how the primaries work out today.
John S.
LOL, that doesn’t even remotely resemble this.
Toolshed
Its not like he’s in overalls with a piece of straw haniging out his mouth. It looks like he’s taking a good natured picture on a tractor not pretending to be a hayseed.
Tom in Texas
demi:
I have a somehwat limited perspective, but Huckabee has less than no traction in the major cities. I think Ron Paul will poll surprisingly well (or not so surprising — we ARE Texas, and it IS a caucus) and mitigate the East Texans for Huckabee vote. All the energy is on the Democratic side though.
I’m caucusing tonight. Pictures if possible, with a post to come tonight. My precinct is in an interesting location, as we draw from the Montrose area of Houston (the alternative lifestyle area to live in) and River Oaks (old money, but somewhat liberal socially). I expect quite a few Hillary supporters, though my neighborhood is almost entirely Obama.
demimondian
Oh, well. I was looking for more fun on the Republican side.
Dug Jay
The latest polls indicate that hillary should win three out of four, enough to keep her in the race until Pennsylvania at least. Apparently Obama is dropping like a rock in Ohio after he and his campaign were caught with their pants down on NAFTA; the voters are beginning to see that Obama is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be black.
Billy K
I’m voting after work. May stay and caucus, but I don’t have a lot of time. I’ll report from Dallas tonight.
(Oh, and despite talks of a Hillary Comeback, I’m sticking to my prediction of Texas to Obama by 5-10%.)
cleek
Hillary up by 6 in OH and by 1 in TX. 8 more weeks of winter.
TheFountainHead
I’m really trying to figure out how this can’t be read as: “Obama’s only won as much as he has because he’s black.”
Still trying….
..nope, can’t do it. You’re insane.
Bubblegum Tate
I’m voting for Carcetti.
KCinDC
At least the Clinton campaign is doing what it can to prevent the unreasonably favorable media coverage I fear for tonight — by making reporters sit in the restroom and serving them food there. Competence!
Studly Pantload
I’m saving the pants shitting for old age, but yeah, I’m really pulling for a TKO, tonight: even two 1-point wins in TX and OH for the MUP, and the intra-party pressure to drop out should literally fall on Camp Hillary like a proverbial ton of bricks, so to speak. Izzat too audacious to hope for?
Ninerdave
That’s no different than Thompson with his red pickup.
Dug Jay
I absolutely love Howard dean.
Billy K
I see your Hillary up and raise you an Obama up by 2 and 3.
Ninerdave
Oh and Tom, living in Houston…man how do you deal with that humidity. I visit my cousin there from time to time and want to kill myself.
zzyzx
I’m not feeling too confident right now, but Obama does tend to underpoll some as his GoTV movement is pretty impressive. Maybe that’ll be what is needed.
Zifnab
Ron Paul got my vote (as I have to vote a Republican ticket for my local election vote to mean anything) and I totally think he can pull through! Go Paul!
:p
Jimitha
Florida and Michigan are just the beginning. What about all the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised Edwards voters? Their votes are completely meaningless now! They simply don’t count.
That doesn’t sound very democratic. It sounds downright unfair.
Fortunately, there’s a reasonable solution. Once Obama has been damaged enough, we’ll have a revote in Iowa and South Carolina, with Edwards subtracted from the mix, in order to ensure
Clinton has a remote chance of capturing enough delegatesfairness and democracy.Our voices must be heard.
cleek
the results are in !
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Should I go looking for Dug Jay’s link to the bogus story of the Dem Party head choosing the losing side, or can I just assume he’s full of shit and ignore this?
Dennis - SGMM
As always.
SA2SQ
Jen
Cleek, you may be the only one here who will appreciate my pitch for Tift Merritt’s new album. Good, and only $8. At Merlefest next month and the Carolina Theatre this month.
demimondian
I don’t think that Dug Jay is full of shit. I think he defecates it out on us here.
Chris
…the voters are beginning to see that Obama is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be black.
You do realize that this can also read:
“The voters are beginning to see that Clinton is pretty much like any other politician….she just happens to be female.”
“The voters are beginning to see that McCain is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be old.”
“The voters are beginning to see that Huckabee is pretty much like any other politician….he just happens to be a religious nut.”
Martin
I don’t trust the sample on many of those polls. 19% African-American turnout and 35% Latino in an election featuring an African-American? Come on…
Ohio Clinton single digits, Texas Obama double digits, Vermont Obama double digits, Rhode Island toss-up, leaning Obama. Lot of undecideds in RI, and they’ve been breaking for Obama. RI might suffer from the Deval effect as NH and MA did and break Clinton though. Hard to say. NAFTA/Canada took Obama out of the running in Ohio. Too bad, really. News never picked up that Clinton’s people met with the Canadians as well and made the same vague assurances. Obama’s people should have corrected that.
Punchy
Surprise.
Seriously, the Libertyville High School Senior prom elections could suffer from one temporarily unguarded ballot box, and someone on DKos will diary it and get it recc’d.
These people turn traffic lights into conspiracies to stop liberals without cause. Unf’inreal.
demimondian
Damn it, Zif. Didn’t you get the memo from Soros HQ? You needed to vote for Huckabee: the slogan was “Fuck the ‘phants! Vote Huck!”
zzyzx
Oh and apparently exit polls will be released at 5 PM EST according to a random person on Daily Kos. I’m starting to twitch wanting to know something, anything.
IanY77
Well, I’ve been up for about three and a half hours. Another thirty minutes and I should probably call my doct…ooooohhhhh, elections. No, nothing yet. Go Obama!
The Other Steve
Looks like an old 1950s Ford.
Ypu, I think it’s a Ford 801 Powermaster. Kind of hard to see the whole tractor, but just based on the cowling around the steering wheel, the color, the fenders, i think that’s right.
Nothing wrong with sitting on an old tractor.
The Other Steve
I can picture John McCain in a pink cadillac.
Martin
Primaries aren’t democratic. They are internal party matters designed to pick a candidate. And elections are never fair. If you want fair, get rid of the money first and you’ll only have about 7 million unfair factors still to get rid of, including the media.
Ned Raggett
As it’s an open thread, let me interrupt to say that I suspect most of us with gaming skeletons in our closet (or still living and animated) will be bowing our heads in respect — as I muttered on my blog, Gary Gygax has passed on.
Dennis - SGMM
I was an early poster on DKos. I gave it up when the emphasis shifted to long winded diaries: I couldn’t afford the tinfoil.
chopper
one variable in ohio is the weather. nasty weather today, which tends to slow down older voters more than younger ones, the former being stronger hillary supporters vs the latter being stronger obama voters.
Punchy
Is there any reliable data that correlates weather with voting patterns? I’ve seen this attempt made by a number of peeps, I just don’t know if it’s legit. You could theorize almost anything:
Bad weather = college closings = students start drinking earlier = dont vote
Bad weather = roads closed = only bicyclers and Segwayers caucus = lots of votes for Gravel and Bloomberg
Bad weather = lots of rain = only chicks in non-white shirts actually get out of car to vote = wife-beaters are mostly white = the Whiskey-Tango crowd highly unrepresented
See?
Roonieroo
Dangit Ned. I was having a decent day today and you went and blew it :( Crap. Have to go stare at my copy of Chainmail. Crap.
jenniebee
Ugh – Dug Jay had no link, I had to google and then go through a couple of sites that are… perplexing strange to finally find the quote, which isn’t attributed to Dean at all, but rather attributed by K-Lo to Greg Pollowitz.
Why NRO contributors can’t just write their own things up, but must instead quote each others’ opinions is beyond me.
Jimitha
Punchy, wild, unsubstantiated inferences about weather patterns, sympathy votes, antipathy votes, media bias, and so on are the very meat of punditry. There’s nothing “legit” about it; it’s designed to muddy the waters both before and after.
TheFountainHead
For better or worse, this is POTD thus far…
Tom in Texas
All I know is the weather in Houston is perfect. 65 degrees or so and sunny.
My precint is breaking a little over 2-1 for Democrats right now, and not very many have voted so far. By the way, further evidence that Obama is the Che candidate.
This is the picture on his Houston campaign headquarters. If the link doesn’t work, I’ll post it later tonight.
Buck
I would be much more concerned about this photo and the accompanying caption.
Tom in Texas
What’s the problem? I don’t see a single turban.
cleek
OMG, Obama’s Kenyan relatives are … black?!
Svensker
No, the trick is you have to want to kill somebody else. That makes you feel much better.
Garrigus Carraig
FAIL. Thanks for playing, try harder next time.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Every time I barely glance at a photo of Chelsea Clinton, I can’t help but think God hates her. First of all, her parents. She was given the ugliest features of her two parents. Then she spent her adolescent years in the White House. Now she’s out of a long stint of college — time for her career to get going — and her mom’s like “Help me campaign, I need my family with me!” Not to mention said campaign turned out to be a sad waste of time.
Good god, it’s gotta suck to be her.
Ned Raggett
Sorry man — I’m as bummed as you! I hate it when the heroes of my youth go.
Dork
How convienent. I bet those returning troops wont be on every news outlet, beaming about what a utopia Iraq has become, right before elections. I’ve never seen a more politicized military ever.
Cyrus
I hope it’s not entirely partisanship speaking when I say that I found the last picture, the Bush family, the most offensive/scary/whatever. They have so much money that they can trace their ancestry five generations back and sideways and get everyone together long enough for a picture? It’s like the Hapsburgs.
cleek
so, how are the Clintonites going to explain-away all the Limbaugh-backed Republicans who vote for her today ?
are they going to complain about open primaries and people who would never vote for a Dem in the GE ? or are they going to find a way to smile and thank Rush for his support ?
Mr Furious
I actually think Chelsea turned out to become far more attractive than I thought she would. She went thru a horribly awkward stage growing up, and at least she’s making something of herself unlike some other first daughters…
crw
Give Clinton and her people their dues. They seem to understand this facet of campaigning much better than Obama and his people. I believe the saying is something like “it’s hard for your opponent to hit you if your fist is in their face.” Translation: she who attacks first controls the news cycle and the narrative framing.
Obama’s Rope-a-Dope is very effective when his opponents are slinging petty bullshit (“zomg Muslim! zomg he said he wants to be president in kindergarten!”). Not so much when the attack: a) plugs into an issue, b) uses his own words and actions against him, and c) frames the interpretations as all negative choices. There’s not much defending against those kinds of attacks. The only real ‘defense’ is not to give your opponents material to begin with. Since that’s basically impossible, the next best defense is a good offense.
Lesson for team Obama – when things get hotly contested, you’d better get aggressive. To reiterate, it’s hard for your opponent to hit you if your fist is in their face. I hope Obama’s people are digging into McCain’s record for all the crap they can hit him with. It shouldn’t be hard. There’s more than enough material there for them to attack him as too hot headed to be trusted with The Button, among other things.
Halteclere
The headline at Yahoo at this moment is:
I swear a similar headline with the exact same stupid “Will the GOP Benefit” tag was shown during Super Tuesday.
I can only think that this helps the GOP.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
For once, an attack on Obama yields significance
I’m going to fill in for myiq: “See! He didn’t manage to answer all of the questions in the unscheduled-gaggle perfectly, refused to re-answer questions he’s already answered in a slow and patient manner, and still failed to please every reporter sexually!”
Being a jerk aside, Obama is still gonna have to make himself available for answers soon or this is going to look bad.
Z
That really sucks about Gygax.
As for the election, try not to get your undies in a bunch, folks. It will be a couple of days before we know the delegate count in TX, and OH will go to Hillary. She did a better job of pretending to be a populist.
Regardless of the results, this primary contest is not the final battle before Armageddon.
Napoleon
Heavy Republican cross over here in the Cleveland area:
http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/gop_voters_crossing_over_in_la.html
zzyzx
So Limbaugh can’t effect the Republican nomination but he could throw the Democratic one? Weird.
Early unsubstantiated rumors have Clinton doing very well in OH but Obama having a chance of pulling off a RI shocker. Who knows if there’s anything behind them.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
OK, here is something I’ll defend the Hillbots on.
“Did they make him blacker?”
What a crock of shit. If anything, they made him purpler. Maybe they were intending to make him look like a freakish version of Violet Beauregarde, post-incident?
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Incertus
So what are you defending, Caidence? That they tried to make Obama blacker and did a shitty job at it?
Cain
I think Chelsea has turned out to be a lovely girl. She looks mature and sophisticated. So I don’t know why you need to drag her looks into it. As someone else said above, she’s doing something positive with her life which is all we can ask for.
cain
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
No, they just have a shitty video editor. I’m saying she’s not guilty of anything here.
I’m just saying I’m sympathetic. I wouldn’t dream of slighting her for her mother.
In fact, I’m sure she’s got VERY entertaining things to say about her.
Incertus
I don’t think she’s personally guilty of anything either. But I do think that her video editor and the person in charge of making those ads has some explaining to do.
Caidence (fmr. Chris)
Aww, can’t we dislike them without becoming like them? They’ve been digging up every inconsequential negative thing they can find just to get leverage, and they look terrible for it.
Can’t we win gracefully without accusing their under-paid, under-appreciated Clintonite video mangler of a conspiracy?
Digital Amish
Im watching CNN and they keep talking about how confusing the Texas primary is. In fact it seems Wolf mentions how confusing it is every time Texas comes up. WTF. I know I’ll get a SATSQ here but here goes… Is it just that Wolf is fucking stupid or that Wolf thinks his viewership is as fucking dumb as he is?
Dug Jay
The networks all give Ohio to Clinton, and she has also overtaken Obama’s huge initial lead in Texas. Her campaign says she’s staying in and on to Pennsylvania.