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You are here: Home / Past Elections / Election 2008 / I Remember the Good Old Days

I Remember the Good Old Days

by John Cole|  March 22, 20088:49 am| 134 Comments

This post is in: Election 2008, Popular Culture

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When it was just called disfranchised:

In light of the ongoing controversy surrounding Florida and Michigan, their non-binding primaries, and their convention delegates, the word “disenfranchise” has been thrown around quite a bit. Probably, a little too much.

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But there is a way to take this disenfranchisement talk a little too far. Consider this message, distributed by the Clinton campaign yesterday, describing the Obama campaign’s pre-convention strategy:

First, disenfranchise voters — Prevent new votes in Florida and Michigan. Stop voting in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia and Indiana.

The meaning of “disenfranchise” has grown a little fluid of late, but this isn’t it. As Inigo Montoya told us years ago, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”

This Wiki definition seems as good as any: “Disenfranchisement or disfranchisement is the revocation of the right of suffrage (the right to vote) to a person or group of people, or rendering a person’s vote less effective, or ineffective, through processes such as gerrymandering.”

Now, how this applies to Florida and Michigan is open to plenty of debate, but for the Clinton campaign to argue that Obama want to “disenfranchise voters” in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon, West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia, and Indiana is pretty ridiculous. Obama wants the nomination fight to end, Clinton doesn’t. But that doesn’t mean he wants to “disenfranchise” voters in the remaining states. That’s just how things go for states at the end of the nominating calendar. Indeed, the states know that, and have a choice about moving their contests up.

Steve, of course, is right, and this is just more silly and insidious dribble from the Clinton camp designed to propel Hillary from her large deficits to the nomination, but instead pissing off voters so they are less inclined to vote for Obama, the person who will actually win the nomination.

But more importantly, when did it become disenfranchise? I always thought it was disfranchise? Or did this become acceptable around the same time that “snuck” and “dove” became acceptable replacements for sneaked and dived? Or am I just confused?

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  1. 1.

    El Cid

    March 22, 2008 at 8:54 am

    I live in Georgia. I demand that our state be able to vote next week for the 2024 Democratic primaries. If you try to stop us in any way, it will mean you are disenfranchising me and I will have no choice but to vote Republican or sit at home forever. Nyaa nyaah.

  2. 2.

    dslak

    March 22, 2008 at 9:00 am

    Doesn’t this mean that both parties in a number of have been disenfranchising their own voters for quite some time now?

  3. 3.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 9:01 am

    Thanks to the Electoral College and the fact that I live in Arizona, my vote is discarded in November. Arizona will be in the McCain column almost no matter what.

    In the words of Muley in The Grapes of Wrath, when the bankers sent the bulldozers to level his homestead and drive him off his land, “Who do I shoot?”

  4. 4.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 9:06 am

    Here in sunny California the general election is a matter of D’s taking our money and then taking us for granted. The R’s simply ignore us.

  5. 5.

    dslak

    March 22, 2008 at 9:08 am

    The R’s simply ignore us.

    They don’t stop there. The California Republicans are also keen on completely ignoring reality, particularly the electoral one.

  6. 6.

    joel hanes

    March 22, 2008 at 9:33 am

    You are confused. “Snuck” is not a word.

  7. 7.

    dslak

    March 22, 2008 at 9:40 am

    “Snuck” is not a word.

    ‘Snuck’ as mentioned as a past tense of ‘sneak’ in both Merriem-Webster and the OED (the OED notes that it’s a variant found only in the U.S.). While M-W recognizes ‘dove’ as a possible past tense varient of ‘dive,’ no such word exists in the OED.

  8. 8.

    cleek

    March 22, 2008 at 9:42 am

    this is the caliber of thinking Hillary supporters are fighting for.

  9. 9.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 9:44 am

    its an attempt at disenfranchisement, John.

    The “process” by which Obama wants to “render a peron’s vote less effective” isn’t gerrymandering here — nor does the definition state that it has to be gerrymandering.

    The ‘process’ that Obama wants is to be coronated as the “inevitable’ candidate before any of the late states vote, not merely making the votes of people in PA, WV, KY, NC and the other late states “less effective”, but entirely meaningless.

    It ain’t over until we, the voters in the late states, say its over — or Obama gets 2025 pledged delegates from the primary/caucus process. We have something to say — and what we have to say is that Obama doesn’t have what it takes to win in November if he can’t win primaries in our states. That’s a message that you don’t want to hear, so you want to disenfranchise us.

    Its so typically Republican of you — so reminiscent of the arguments made by the GOP in Florida in 2000 (‘we won, who needs to count all the votes?”) that it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.

  10. 10.

    FearItself

    March 22, 2008 at 9:50 am

    I have never heard “disfranchise”; as long as I can remember, people have used “disenfranchise.” I’m guessing that word is in common use because it typically refers to taking the away votes of people who were previously “enfranchised” via the 15th or 19th amendments, or during the early 19th-century elimination of property qualifications for voting. The term typically has not been used to refer to denying votes to those who had the franchise all along. So we use it for the same reason we use “disempower” instead of “dispower.”

    Maybe I should google it and text you the answer.

    Oh, and joel hanes is right; “snuck” ain’t a word. The correct verb tense progression is: sneak, sneaked, and done snuck. As in, “The right wing wackos have done snuck into the White House and ruined everything!”

  11. 11.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 9:53 am

    it ain’t over until we, the voters in the late states, say its over

    Um, no, even the interns at the cable tv outlets can tell you that it’s over, in this cycle, when the superdelegates decide how they’ll vote.

    That is as obvious as it can be, and anybody who says otherwise, including you, is either out of the loop, or lying.

    You are too smart to be out of the loop, so …..

  12. 12.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 9:55 am

    The ‘process’ that Obama Hillary wants is to be coronated as the “inevitable’ candidate before any of the late states vote, not merely making the votes of people in PA, WV, KY, NC and the every other late states after Super Tuesday “less effective”, but entirely meaningless.

    With that much projection going on, you must be going through lightbulbs at a phenomenal rate.

    It ain’t over until we, the voters in the late states, say its over—or Obama gets 2025 pledged delegates from the primary/caucus process. We have something to say—and what we have to say is that Obama doesn’t have what it takes to win in November if he can’t win primaries in our states. That’s a message that you don’t want to hear, so you want to disenfranchise us.

    I’m sure if things had gone according to plan and Hillary was leading, you’d be fighting just as hard to be sure that the late states were heard. Right?

    Your hackery would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic.

  13. 13.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Obama wants is to be coronated

    Yeah, people who aren’t trying to look like horse’s asses would say “crowned” but hey, whatever.

  14. 14.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Um, no, even the interns at the cable tv outlets can tell you that it’s over, in this cycle, when the superdelegates decide how they’ll vote.

    superdelegates can (and have) change their minds. And I remember those reports right before Ohio and Texas of 50 previously undecided superdelegates that Obama had in his pocket… who seem to have vanished into thin air. I mean, given the huge push that Obama has been making to convince super-delegates that he deserves his coronation, you’d think those 50 superdelegates would have announced by now.

    But they haven’t. Now I don’t think that the reports were wrong — I think that there were 50 superdelegates ready to put an end to this race based on polls showing Obama winning Texas, and coming close, if not winning, in Ohio.

    But when the actual election results came out, they changed their minds. Obama didn’t make the sale — he lost in both Texas (and please don’t tell me about delegate counts; the SDs look at who won the votes) and lost big in Ohio — and demonstrated that he wasn’t as strong a candidate as he claimed.

  15. 15.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 10:08 am

    superdelegates can (and have) change their minds

    Well, you better hope they aren’t reading your posts, then.

    Right now you are a giant neon billboard for getting Clinton off the stage with a hook.

  16. 16.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 10:14 am

    I’m sure if things had gone according to plan and Hillary was leading, you’d be fighting just as hard to be sure that the late states were heard. Right?

    If things had gone according to plan, this race would be over… Obama would be the Democratic version of Huckabee after ST.

    But your real question isn’t about things “going according to plan”, its what I’d do if the current situation was reversed. And what I’d be saying is that my candidate is good enough to continue to consistently build upon her lead, and that the late states will just reinforce the fact that my candidate deserves the nomination.

    I wouldn’t be saying “its over, and everything else is a waste of time”, I’d be saying “its over, because my candidate is going to continue to build upon her lead, and beat your candidate consistently.”

    Or at least that is what I’d be saying if I had confidence in my candidate. If I was afraid that my candidate was actually weaker than yours, I’d probably be doing exactly what the Obama camp is doing now — trying to end it before my weaknesses are even more fully exposed.

  17. 17.

    BH Buck

    March 22, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Right now you are a giant neon billboard for getting Clinton off the stage with a hook.

    TZ, you absolutely crack me up!
    hehehe

  18. 18.

    p.a.

    March 22, 2008 at 10:21 am

    merriam-webster online has disfranchise without a definition, has disenfranchise with definition (deprive of a right esp. voting rights). enter disfranchise in wikipedia and it redirects one to the disenfranchise page, saying either is correct. i’m 48, and i know i have heard disenfranchise used far more that the other.

  19. 19.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Right now you are a giant neon billboard for getting Clinton off the stage with a hook.

    If I was a superdelegate, reading all the MUPpery here, I’d be very reluctant to nominate Obama, because it appears that most of his support is coming from people who are either currently insitutionalized, or will be by November.

  20. 20.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 10:35 am

    If I was a superdelegate, reading all the MUPpery here,

    I thought it was odd that my grandfather had a wooden leg, until I found out that grandma had a cedar chest.

  21. 21.

    PaulB

    March 22, 2008 at 10:37 am

    If I was a superdelegate, reading all the MUPpery here, I’d be very reluctant to nominate Obama, because it appears that most of his support is coming from people who are either currently insitutionalized, or will be by November.

    LOL…. Says the guy who claimed that “whoever wins the most delegates … wins” is something that really bothers “perfectly rational” people.

    Or who pretended that the primary votes of Democrats in red states shouldn’t count.

    Or who went through elaborate contortions to pretend that Obama hadn’t won any “big” states.

    Who went on a prolonged screaming tirade in a recent thread because people had the temerity to disagree with him.

    What was that you were saying again about being “institutionalized”?

  22. 22.

    PaulB

    March 22, 2008 at 10:39 am

    Or, getting back to the topic of this thread, who claimed that he was being “disenfranchised”, despite the fact that nobody was telling him not to vote or doing anything to prevent him from doing just that.

  23. 23.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 10:41 am

    If I was a superdelegate, reading all the MUPpery here, I’d be very reluctant to nominate Obama, because it appears that most of his support is coming from people who are either currently insitutionalized, or will be by November.

    Sigh. Let’s review, shall we?

    1. pluk spends months summarily dismissing the voices of people in states that don’t meet his constantly-shifting criteria for Importance, and larding his “impartial” analysis with glaringly transparent pro-Clinton spin.
    2. When things aren’t going his way, pluk has the temerity to come on here and whine about being “disenfranchised” and how incredibly biased we all are.
    3. When he is met with a less than sympathetic response, pluk (displaying a truly stunning lack of self-awareness) dismisses Obama supporters as institution-bound crazies, less than 24 hours after having a full-on, foot-stamping, spittle-flecked, profanity-laced ALL CAPS hissy fit.

    Yes, I’m sure SDs would be very impressed with your work here.

  24. 24.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 10:43 am

    Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

  25. 25.

    Conservatively Liberal

    March 22, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Damn Obama for winning so much that Hillary can say that he is disenfranchising voters in the last states. What a nefarious plan he has; get in and win in as many states as he can so the later state primaries are too little, too late.

    Interesting way to spin your opponent winning, I have to give them that. Hillary and her gang are redefining all kinds of stuff this year; when your opponent is winning, it really means that he is losing and you are winning. The logic is inescapable!

    Big states matter, but only if Hillary wins them, otherwise they are no better than the little states. Texas is a win, except that she lost. Caucuses don’t matter, but primary votes count. Votes matter, but delegates don’t.

    And if she wins the GE, she will go on redefining everything to fit her narrative. Why change?

  26. 26.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 10:48 am

    Help! Help! I’m being repressed!

    Quiet, you. Bloody peasant.

  27. 27.

    Tim H.

    March 22, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Well, about a year ago the Burger King two blocks from me closed, so I guess I was disfranchised.

  28. 28.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 10:51 am

    And if she wins the GE, she will go on redefining everything to fit her narrative.

    None for me, thanks. We’ve had seven years of a president redefining everything to fit the narrative and it doesn’t seem to be working out so well.

  29. 29.

    Tim

    March 22, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Is it a violation of Godwin’s law to call you a Grammar-Nazi?

  30. 30.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 11:01 am

    ..making the votes of people in PA, WV, KY, NC and the other late states “less effective”, but entirely meaningless.

    shorter pluk- prease sir, why cant I haz turkee?

  31. 31.

    Warren Terra

    March 22, 2008 at 11:01 am

    Tim – no, because Grammar Nazis are supported to have the facts to reinforce their dudgeon. John is wrong. If you Google “disinfranchise”, the very first thing you see is Google politely asking you whether you actually mean “disenfranchise”. The former has ~2440 hits and no definition provided; the latter, 331,000 hits and a definition provided.

    Note, however, that the Dictionary Google links to is Answers,com, and they immediately ask if you mean “disinfranchisement (politics)”. But, again, Google disdains “disinfranchisement” in favor of “disenfranchisement” by a 250:1 ratio.

  32. 32.

    protected static

    March 22, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Come see the violence inherent in the system!

    (Since FearItself done beat me (heh) to the pedantry, I find myself forced to resort to Python, the last refuge of the geeky…)

  33. 33.

    LiberalTarian

    March 22, 2008 at 11:08 am

    My personal pet language peeve is “irregardless.” I cringe when I hear it, see it, or get a whiff of it around a corner.

    The English language is dynamic John. You might even say it happens thru you, no to you. ;)

    Say, let’s let in some sunshine. Would you open the drapes?

  34. 34.

    PaulB

    March 22, 2008 at 11:08 am

    At least p.luk and myiq haven’t totally lost it, as some other Hillary supporters have. I loved this little gem from a commenter over at Kevin Drum’s site:

    Clinton earned the right to run this year but Obama apparently decided that experience is irrelevant and heck, she’s only a girl, so why not give it a shot. That stinks.

  35. 35.

    Lavocat

    March 22, 2008 at 11:09 am

    Maybe I’m in a time warp but I’ve NEVER heard of “disfranchisement”. As far as I’m concerned, it’s not a word. It’s always been “disenfranchisement”.

    And what the hell is “sneaked” and “dived”. Again, unless the illiterate are now the language police, the past tense for such strong verbs remains “snuck” and “dove”.

    However, there is this insidious tendency to turn ALL verbs into weak verbs, in the past tense (just add “-ed”).

    Perhaps I am just old.

  36. 36.

    PaulB

    March 22, 2008 at 11:11 am

    John is wrong. If you Google ‘disinfranchise’, the very first thing you see is Google politely asking you whether you actually mean ‘disenfranchise’.

    Except that John didn’t refer to “disinfranchise”. He referred to “disfranchise”. And if you Google that, it has nearly 100,000 hits, the first of which has a definition provided.

  37. 37.

    cleek

    March 22, 2008 at 11:12 am

    My personal pet language peeve is “irregardless.” I cringe when I hear it, see it, or get a whiff of it around a corner.

    i kinda like the smell. smells like garlic, onion and fried pork fat.

  38. 38.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 11:15 am

    If everything else was the same but the automatic delegates were the pledged delegates from the last state or group of states, should the voters those delegates represent cast their votes for:

    1. The candidate who is the current delegate leader?

    2. The candidate they like best?

    3. The candidate TZ likes best?

  39. 39.

    Raenelle

    March 22, 2008 at 11:18 am

    I’m still pissed that “normalcy” has replaced “normality.”

  40. 40.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 11:19 am

    If everything else was the same but the automatic delegates were the pledged delegates from the last state or group of states, should the voters those delegates represent cast their votes for:

    4. Delicious, delicious pie.

    BTW, did you know that every time you use the phrase “automatic delegates,” Harold Ickes skullfucks a kitten? It’s true. Why do you hate kittens?

  41. 41.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 11:22 am

    I’m still pissed that “normalcy” has replaced “normality.”

    Neither one really exists. “Normal” just represents the median or mean between the extremes of lunacy.

  42. 42.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 11:22 am

    At least p.luk and myiq haven’t totally lost it, as some other Hillary supporters have. I loved this little gem from a commenter over at Kevin Drum’s site:

    I keep telling the people over at Hillary44 that they are not allowed out of their cages, but do they listen? Noooooo…

    (actually, I’ve never even been to Hillary44)

  43. 43.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 11:25 am

    BTW, did you know that every time you use the phrase “automatic delegates,” Harold Ickes skullfucks a kitten? It’s true. Why do you hate kittens?

    I don’t hate kittens.

    I just like (old weird) Harold.

  44. 44.

    Rarely Posts

    March 22, 2008 at 11:27 am

    Why does Obama want to not allow these states to vote?

  45. 45.

    LiberalTarian

    March 22, 2008 at 11:28 am

    i kinda like the smell. smells like garlic, onion and fried pork fat.

    Hm, but the eatery is a noun!! Therefore I can justify eating there if I ever get to Raleigh (my sister used to live there, dang it, should have gone to visit with my folks).

  46. 46.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 11:29 am

    Clinton earned the right to run this year but Obama apparently decided that experience is irrelevant and heck, she’s only a girl, so why not give it a shot. That stinks.

    This, countrymen, is why we spoof.

    When you can’t tell the spoofs from the right wingers and the idiots, the terrorists lose and Jesus smiles.

    I heard on NPR this morning, a woman in …Pennsylvania, I think …. who was “voting for Hillary.”

    “Well,” says she, “she has that experience living in the White House.”

    So, if we apply Standard Lukasiak Logic here, shouldn’t we be nominating the White House butler?

  47. 47.

    Ninerdave

    March 22, 2008 at 11:30 am

    I always thought it was disenfranchised, more importantly my spell checker doesn’t bark at me.

    Of course, I always say snuck and dove, and until recently didn’t know there was anything wrong with that, so I’m probably the wrong person to ask.

    To the Clinton camp, it’s obvious their strategy has gone from kitchen sink to scorch the earth.

  48. 48.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 11:36 am

    I don’t hate kittens

    LIAR. Anybody who reads your hateful comments knows that you hate kittens, ponies, and the lil baby jesus.

  49. 49.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 11:39 am

    So, if we apply Standard Lukasiak Logic here, shouldn’t we be nominating the White House butler?

    fuck off TZ

  50. 50.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 11:40 am

    Anybody who reads your hateful comments knows that you hate kittens, ponies, and the lil baby jesus.

    As usual. you are right 2 out of 3 times, which is appropriate for someone with 2/3 normal intelligence.

  51. 51.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 11:47 am

    fuck off TZ

    Knock knock.

    Who’s there?

    Pie delivery!

  52. 52.

    liberal

    March 22, 2008 at 11:51 am

    I’ve got a good solution.

    Florida and Michigan don’t get delegates seated.

    In exchange, FL and MI get to (gasp!) go before IA and NH next time.

  53. 53.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 11:52 am

    someone with 2/3 normal intelligence.

    Does that mean I’m 33.3% smarter than you, or 66.6%?

    I’m so confused.

  54. 54.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 11:58 am

    Does that mean I’m 33.3% smarter than you, or 66.6%?

    Neither. I was praising you because doing as well as someone with 2/3 normal intelligence is dramatic overachievement in your case.

    Now get your crayons out, it’s arts & crafts time.

  55. 55.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 12:00 pm

    fuck off TZ

    C’mon Paul, don’t get mad at TZ for talking shit.

    It’s the only subject he knows.

  56. 56.

    ThymeZone

    March 22, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    Shorter myiq:

    My dick is made of pie! Eat me!

  57. 57.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Now get your crayons out, it’s arts & crafts time.

    Do we have to? I think we already reached the daily recommended limit for paste-eating today.

  58. 58.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    Now get your crayons out

    No way, dude. You keep eating them, and then I can’t draw my pretty pony pictures.

  59. 59.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    The solution is to have the Florida delegates seated on the laps of the Michigan delegates for the first half of the convention, and vice-versa for the second half. It’s fair, it’s right, and by gosh it’s enfranchising.

  60. 60.

    J. Michael Neal

    March 22, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    My guess? Michigan and Florida are going to have their delegations seated as is. At this point, running the math, I don’t think it’s going to make a difference. At this point, Obama’s delegate lead is large enough that Clinton isn’t going to be able to catch him. Wait until the shouting’s over, and just seat the delegates.

  61. 61.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    I’ve just realized that no matter how you combine the names myiq2xu and p. lukasiak–

    myiq2xup.lukasiak -or- p.lukasiakmyiq2xu
    -and no matter how you rearrange the letters–you end up with unintelligible bullshit.

    I wonder what this means?

  62. 62.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Shorter myiq:
    My dick is made of pie!

    Mincemeat?

    Wiki:
    These small non meat festive pies, usually between 2 and 3 inches

  63. 63.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    I’ve just realized that no matter how you combine the names myiq2xu and p. lukasiak—

    Well, if you run the two through the Internet Anagram Server you get, among others: Aqua Ilk Pixy Musk

  64. 64.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    These small non meat festive pies, usually between 2 and 3 inches

    Only when I get excited

  65. 65.

    vishnu schizt

    March 22, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    WARNING SPITTLE FLECKED ANGRY RANT

    Well my great anger at Clinton only grows, much like the grass on a sunny day. Especially all of you Clinton supporters who apparently can’t add a goddammed thing, don’t understand math and percentages and all of that. Any Hillary supporter who says well……

    It ain’t over until we, the voters in the late states, say its over—or Obama gets 2025 pledged delegates from the primary/caucus process. We have something to say—and what we have to say is that Obama doesn’t have what it takes to win in November if he can’t win primaries in our states. That’s a message that you don’t want to hear, so you want to disenfranchise us.

    Its so typically Republican of you—so reminiscent of the arguments made by the GOP in Florida in 2000 (‘we won, who needs to count all the votes?”) that it would be funny if it wasn’t so pathetic.

    Well I have something to say also:

    FUCK YOU

    It is over. You cannot win except by tearing Obama down. You have to get something like 68% of the remaining vote assholes. Good luck, My humor is gone, my compassion, everything else. You are now the equivalent of Bush/Cheney leading us into Iraq. I’m sure to soon hear that all the remaining states are going to welcome you as liberators.

  66. 66.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    WTF?
    I have no idea what happened to my last comment. I didn’t use the strike or strong tags.
    Looks like I picked a bad week to give up sniffing glue.

  67. 67.

    Gus

    March 22, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    Shit, I’m a MUPpet, and I don’t have a problem with Hillary not conceding yet. It’s still too close. If she hasn’t closed the gap after PA and NC she should probably drop out. Those who are worried about the interparty fight should chill. There’s an eon between April and the GE. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, after hearing a bit of a recent Hillary speech I have realized I don’t have a problem with her, just with her more strident supporters.

  68. 68.

    Cain

    March 22, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    So, if we apply Standard Lukasiak Logic here, shouldn’t we be nominating the White House butler?

    I guess those of us who took tours in the white house also have some legitimate claim of having experience of “being in the white house”!

    cain

  69. 69.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    Well, if you run the two through the Internet Anagram Server you get, among others: Aqua Ilk Pixy Musk

    and Quail Mask Pix Yuk.

    Tip for pluk and mxy: turn down Dick Cheney if he ever invites you to go hunting.

  70. 70.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    If you combine cbear and Thymezone you get a know-it-all cellmate who never stops bitching.

  71. 71.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Aqua Ilk Pixy Musk

    SOunds like something you shouldn’t advertise in Boston

  72. 72.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    Pixy Musk

    Pixy Musk?

    Sounds like what you might discover sniffing Gidget’s panties.

  73. 73.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    These small non meat festive pies, usually between 2 and 3 inches

    Only when I get excited

    I’ll say this for myx2: he responds in good humor when someone compares his genitals to a traditional British pastry. That’s got to count for something.

  74. 74.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 12:33 pm

    Oooh! It turns out that the Internet Anagram Server Reveals that Standard Lukiasak Logic is *actually* A Radical Stalking Kudos.

    Who knew?

  75. 75.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:37 pm

    If you combine cbear and Thymezone you get a know-it-all cellmate who never stops bitching.

    Yeah, well after trying to teach you how to do it right, and watch your damn incisors, for 2 years—can you blame us?

  76. 76.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    If you combine cbear and Thymezone you get a know-it-all cellmate who never stops bitching.

    Brazen Come They
    Zebra Cote Hymen
    Acme Boney Hertz
    Zany Throb Emcee
    Bah Erect Zone My

    Thanks a lot, Dennis. My whole day is shot now.

  77. 77.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    Bah Erect Zone My

    That sounds more like MyIQ’s self-description: “My bah erect zone”.

    Hey! Has anybody ever seen the three of them in the same room at the same time?

  78. 78.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 12:43 pm

    And Hillary Rodham Clinton is

    A Halcyon Nimrod Thrill
    A Rancid Hotly Horn Mill

    Thanks a lot, Dennis. My whole day is shot now.

    I take complete responsibility for the deterioration of this thread – but none of the blame.

  79. 79.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:44 pm

    Brazen Come They
    Zebra Cote Hymen
    Acme Boney Hertz
    Zany Throb Emcee
    Bah Erect Zone My

    Easy there, bro. I don’t think you want to go there with a name like “tbone”.

  80. 80.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 12:45 pm

    A Rancid Hotly Horn Mill

    “Rancidly, a hot horn mill” is better, I think.

  81. 81.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 12:47 pm

    “Rancidly, a hot horn mill” is better, I think.

    Hasn’t Paris Hilton suffered enough?

  82. 82.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    I take complete responsibility for the deterioration of this thread – but none of the blame

    Don’t be too hard on yourself Dennis. No one could have anticipated that this thread would go to shit after I posted the myiq and lukasiak comment.

  83. 83.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 12:54 pm

    Hasn’t Paris Hilton suffered enough?

    The internet fortune teller replys:

    Airheads. Ruffles. Hips. Not enough.

  84. 84.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    Hasn’t Paris Hilton suffered enough?

    Hell no—at least, not until I get to teach that rich little air-headed gooper the meaning of the word “respect”.

  85. 85.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 1:09 pm

    Hell no—-at least, not until I get to teach that rich little air-headed gooper the meaning of the word “respect”.

    At this point in life I’d settle for convincing her that wheezing is sexy and three minutes is a long time.

  86. 86.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    Hell no—-at least, not until I get to teach that rich little air-headed gooper the meaning of the word “respect”.

    Personally, I think you might do best to stick to teaching someone that your skills might be sufficient to reach. I suggest starting with, say, TZ.

  87. 87.

    Paul Brentano

    March 22, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    That wasn’t actually Inigo Montoya that said that. It was the guy from “My Dinner with Andre” (can’t remember his name)

    Montoya’s famous quote – “My name is Inigo Montoya, you killed my father, prepare to die”

    Funny, I’ve been reading this blog for some time and this is the first time I’ve felt compelled to comment.

  88. 88.

    Paul Brentano

    March 22, 2008 at 1:31 pm

    ok, correction. You are right. my bad

  89. 89.

    D-Chance.

    March 22, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    But that doesn’t mean he (Obama) wants to “disenfranchise” voters in the remaining states. That’s just how things go for states at the end of the nominating calendar. Indeed, the states know that, and have a choice about moving their contests up.

    Yes, “moving their contests up” worked so well for Florida and Michigan, didn’t it…

  90. 90.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    Seemed to work well for everybody else, now didn’t it? Gosh, now…I wonder what was special about MI and FL. (Thinking hard.)

    Perhaps you could help me?

  91. 91.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Yes, “moving their contests up” worked so well for Florida and Michigan, didn’t it…

    The Florida and Michigan State Democratic Parties were attempting to devalue the votes of other states by pushing to the head of the line. I don’t see how this makes them the victims.

  92. 92.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 2:11 pm

    No one could have anticipated that this thread would go to shit after I posted the myiq and lukasiak comment.

    When has any thread on this blog not gone to shit?

  93. 93.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 2:18 pm

    Dennis + cbear = A grayhaired and tattooed cellmate who spends years telling war stories and describing in nauseating detail the personnel of every whorehouse in Southeast Asia circ 1968.

    “There was this one girl in Hu Phlung Pu they called ‘the Spinner.” This pretty little thing didn’t have no legs so you could lay back and . . . “

  94. 94.

    Ninerdave

    March 22, 2008 at 2:20 pm

    My dick is made of pie! Eat me!

    HA! I’m stealing that.

  95. 95.

    Ninerdave

    March 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    When has any thread on this blog not gone to shit?

    Threads that don’t contain Hillary trolls usually.

  96. 96.

    Bibblesnæð

    March 22, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Hey, now, I don’t want to hear anything bad about “snuck” and “dove”. Those are top of the line words. Just like “throve” and “strove”.
    I happen to think that most, if not all, of the woes our country faces today stem either directly or indirectly from a dearth of irregular verbs. Well, that and the Republican Party.
    But since the Republican Party seems to be something like a force of nature, along the lines of the tornadoes or asteroids, and thus hard to eradicate thoroughly, then I submit that what we need to do is make ever more verbs irregular:
    Shit-shat
    Sneeze-snoze
    Squeeze-squoze
    Wipe-wope
    And so on and so on…

  97. 97.

    demimondian

    March 22, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Yes, absolutely. Think about it: today, we Shitner the performance; back in the sixties, we Shatner it; it was Shatner.

    I forseigh a breight fewtyure four this.

  98. 98.

    wobbly

    March 22, 2008 at 2:36 pm

    The problem with Hillary is that she gets people to vote for her DESPITE your impatience with with what you see on the television.

    Old people vote. White people vote. Old black people vote. Old black female people vote. Lunch bucket blacks and whites, male and female, are not so impressed with Obama as you seem to be?

    What is so special about this guy?

    I really can not see it.

    I never got Reagan either.

  99. 99.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 2:37 pm

    Dennis + cbear = A grayhaired and tattooed cellmate who spends years telling war stories and describing in nauseating detail the personnel of every whorehouse in Southeast Asia circ 1968.

    I threw myself on those women for your freedom, bub. The least I could expect is a little gratitude.

  100. 100.

    Bob In Pacifica

    March 22, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    The Michigan proposal was insidious. It was going to be paid for by Clinton cronies and it was going to eliminate Dems who’d voted in the Republican primary in January. Therefore, Edwards and Obama supporters who crossed over because they couldn’t vote for their candidates in a primary that all candidates and the DNC had said wouldn’t count would then not be allowed to vote for their candidate in a primary that did count. Based on the fact that they voted for someone in a primary in another party that only counted for half. And Clinton supporters would get to vote twice, in January, and then again.

  101. 101.

    TenguPhule

    March 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    The ‘process’ that Obama wants is to be coronated as the “inevitable’ candidate before any of the late states vote, not merely making the votes of people in PA, WV, KY, NC and the other late states “less effective”, but entirely meaningless.

    Change one word and this becomes Hillary’s pre-February Strategy.

  102. 102.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 2:44 pm

    Easy there, bro. I don’t think you want to go there with a name like “tbone”.

    It’s a perfectly respectable name. Unlike “See Andrew Sullivan”.

  103. 103.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 2:47 pm

    It is over. You cannot win except by tearing Obama down. You have to get something like 68% of the remaining vote assholes.

    neither obama nor clinton can win at this point — unless we are playing by Obama rules, where winning doesn’t mean ‘getting 2025 pledged delegates from the primary/caucus process’ but only means — ‘we win because we say so.’

    There is a finish line. Its 2025 delegates. And until you get to that number, there is no winner. period.

    SO go off and have your little hissy fit, but remember, Obama hasn’t won. Neither has Hillary.

    Indeed, it would probably help you to return to the rational universe if you were to keep repeating “Obama hasn’t won” over and over again until you believe it — because once you do believe it, its a sign you are on your way back from MUPville.

  104. 104.

    p.lukasiak

    March 22, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    Change one word and this becomes Hillary’s pre-February Strategy.

    yup. had that strategy worked, she would have done what McCain did when Huckabee refused to concede… not pitch a hissy fit, demanding that the party elders coronate him becuase he was ahead, but continuing to rack up delegates until he reached the magic number.

    See, Hillary would never have said to Obama “stop running, you’re hurting the party” if she was confident that the nomination was hers. So either Obama isn’t as confident as he seems, or he’s just being a spoiled brat.

  105. 105.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    I threw myself on those women for your freedom, bub.

    I always end up with the fat ugly friend too.

  106. 106.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    So either Obama isn’t as confident as he seems

    If Hillary can’t win, why is Big O spending money like water to beat her?

  107. 107.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    yup. had that strategy worked, she would have done what McCain did when Huckabee refused to concede… not pitch a hissy fit

    Words like “hissy fit,” “tantrum,” “meltdown,” etc are now stones piled up in the living room of your glass house. Resist the temptation to throw them.

  108. 108.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    Words like “hissy fit,” “tantrum,” “meltdown,” etc are now stones piled up in the living room of your glass house. Resist the temptation to throw them.

    What about “testy?”

  109. 109.

    tBone

    March 22, 2008 at 3:04 pm

    What about “testy?”

    We’ve already had one discussion about your genitals today, I don’t think we need another.

  110. 110.

    TenguPhule

    March 22, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    See, Hillary would never have said to Obama “stop running, you’re hurting the party” if she was confident that the nomination was hers.

    Sometimes you see a lie so big that it just takes your breath away.

  111. 111.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 3:15 pm

    Sometimes you see a lie so big that it just takes your breath away.

    “Sounds like you’re choking on something” – Frank Zappa

  112. 112.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 3:18 pm

    I threw myself on those women for your freedom, bub. The least I could expect is a little gratitude.

    You got it buddy. In fact, I’d like to cover your incountry slip-and-slide expenses. Where do you want me to send the $5 bucks?

  113. 113.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Where do you want me to send the $5 bucks?

    Um, how much is that in piasters?

  114. 114.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    You got it buddy. In fact, I’d like to cover your incountry slip-and-slide expenses. Where do you want me to send the $5 bucks?

    My tax dollars paid for the medical cost of that “little something extra” the girls gave him.

  115. 115.

    M. Simon

    March 22, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Obama is a Karl Rove Plot to unite the Democrats this year. It is working.

    http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

  116. 116.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Um, how much is that in piasters?

    A shitload less now than it was then.

    I was living in Japan in the late 60’s, and the exchange rate was 360 yen to the dollar.

    I’ve been living off and on in Thailand for the last 5 years and the exchange rate has gone from 40 baht to the dollar—to 31 baht.

    Thanks Chimpy.

  117. 117.

    M. Simon

    March 22, 2008 at 3:31 pm

    “snuck” “dove” “throve” “strove” “Rove”

  118. 118.

    Dennis - SGMM

    March 22, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    My tax dollars paid for the medical cost of that “little something extra” the girls gave him.

    Only the victims of the legendary Stanchion-Bending Clap know the true meaning of “burning for love.”

  119. 119.

    LiberalTarian

    March 22, 2008 at 3:45 pm

    I want chocolate. Lots and lots of chocolate.

    Hey, this thread seems appropriate for random observations.

  120. 120.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Only the victims of the legendary Stanchion-Bending Clap know the true meaning of “burning for love.”

    Sadly, it seems no one ever taught you how to properly protect yourself against SE Asian venereal diseases.

    When my doctor warned me that as many as 25% of Asian women might be infected with something, I devised my own personal protection plan—and studiously avoided banging every fourth girl I met.

    BTW, does anybody here know what it means when you have little black and green spots on your hog?

  121. 121.

    Bibblesnæð

    March 22, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Hey, let’s not let Karl Rove ruin a perfectly good word:
    Rive, rove, riven.
    If we begin saying “rived”, then the terrorists–or the Republicans, who are even more dangerous–have already won.

  122. 122.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 4:01 pm

    BTW, does anybody here know what it means when you have little black and green spots on your hog?

    It means it’s time to have a little heart-to-heart chat with your cellmate.

  123. 123.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    Aw shit, you don’t have another oral infection, do you?

  124. 124.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Aw shit, you don’t have another oral infection, do you?

    Unless you’re in England, “Spotted Dick” is a bad thing.

    (Even in England it’s not that great.”

  125. 125.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    (Even in England it’s not that great.”

    Fucking computer gremlins

  126. 126.

    cbear

    March 22, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Maybe it’s just a case of the “Speckled Band”, eh Watson?

  127. 127.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Maybe it’s just a case of the “Speckled Band”, eh Watson?

    I don’t care if tommorrow is Easter, if your eggs are speckled you need to take a shower.

  128. 128.

    Asti

    March 22, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    Personally, I think you might do best to stick to teaching someone that your skills might be sufficient to reach. I suggest starting with, say, TZ.

    I’m sorry, but TZ is a hopeless case. Start with someone much easier.

  129. 129.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 4:35 pm

    “Malignant Self Love” sounds like terminal masturbation.

  130. 130.

    LiberalTarian

    March 22, 2008 at 4:57 pm

    Are they chocolate speckles?

  131. 131.

    myiq2xu

    March 22, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Are they chocolate speckles?

    I wouldn’t recommend tasting them.

  132. 132.

    oh really

    March 22, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    You’re just confused.

    According to Merriam Webster’s dictionary disfranchise dates from the 15th century. Disenfranchise enters the picture in 1664. So, while disenfranchise is the latecomer, it’s been around long enough that you should have noticed.

    Then again, you may live someplace where the 15th century is considered modern.

  133. 133.

    vishnu schizt

    March 23, 2008 at 9:36 am

    neither obama nor clinton can win at this point—unless we are playing by Obama rules, where winning doesn’t mean ‘getting 2025 pledged delegates from the primary/caucus process’ but only means—‘we win because we say so.’

    There is a finish line. Its 2025 delegates. And until you get to that number, there is no winner. period.

    SO go off and have your little hissy fit, but remember, Obama hasn’t won. Neither has Hillary.

    Indeed, it would probably help you to return to the rational universe if you were to keep repeating “Obama hasn’t won” over and over again until you believe it—because once you do believe it, its a sign you are on your way back from MUPville.

    Thanks P, I mean really it would be like the first time evar that a candidate that who had no chance of leading in the popular and delegate vote going into the convention conceded before that convention. I mean I remember all of those great brokered conventions of the past, cherish those memories actually. Kinda like birthdays to me, learning to ride a bike, my first kiss. Thanks for bringing me back to the rational world.

    In fact I’m going to go get a Hillary sign and be rational all day long, it feels so good to be rational. I’ll make it my goal to rationalize at all times possible, just like you.

    The great analogy to all of this of course is the University of Arizona making it into the NCAA basketball tournament, I mean really they only lost to Arizona State twice, had a worse record than Arizona State, had a worse record against the RPI top 50 than ASU but still the committee felt, based on their strong record of losing that they should get in the tournament. And we all know now how they went on to win it all for a period of time in the first half against WVU. IN P’s rational world they are the champs! Congrats UofA and congrats P and congrats Hillary and hell congrats to the Patriots cause in the rational world when you are losing you win.

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