This is impressive, even for the Confederate Yankee. In fact, this is so impressive I am hoping the Poorman comes up with a whole new category for his annual awards (and for some reason I can not find last year’s winners/losers). At any rate, the rundown:
First, he accuses Anderson Cooper of “making things up” in regards to a Rev. Wright speech, without a shred of evidence that he is in fact, you know, “making things up.”
Then he asks his readers to prove Cooper is making things up, because, as we have noted, he doesn’t have a shred of evidence to back up his claim.
His readers, dedicated souls that they are, inform him that Anderson Cooper didn’t make any claims, it was Roland Martin posting at the AC360 blog. The Yankee changes the name in the title, and charges forward.
Then his readers cough up the video in which all of the things Martin claimed are actually said by Rev. Wright are, you know, actually said. He then condemns Roland Martin FOR BEING RIGHT ALL ALONG:
Wright does indeed invoke Peck, and in particular, where Peck invokes the specific Malcolm X speech cited above.
In short, Martin is being duplicitous when he claims that Wright was citing Peck, he was instead citing Malcom X through Peck.
You wouldn’t get that from Martin’s blog entry, but then, I don’t think you were supposed to
Who needs the mainstream media when you have citizen journalists, I say.
TR
Confederate Wankee. Truly, the dumbest of the dumb.
ThymeZone
Obama’s speech has had exactly the desired effect.
For those people who were willing and able to take the speech at face value, as a call to a higher level of discourse on a very inflammatory subject, the call worked, and the discourse level will be raised. And Obama, and those people, take the high ground.
For those people who live in the world of petty minutiae as a deflection from reality, who would rather sit around and talk about whether somebody really loved his grandmother, or wears a lapel pin, than talk about things that really matter in the country, the speech has stirred them up to do what they do best: Bark like hyenas and make goddammed fools of themselves.
Behold, the hyenas. Let them shriek until November. I welcome their asshattery, it illuminates what this contest is really about.
ThymeZone
“Asshattery” is a word, right?
Tom
Then he asks his readers to prove Cooper is making things up, because, as we have noted, he doesn’t have a shred of evidence to back up his claim.
This sort of tactic is used ALL THE TIME by righty bloggers. They make claims without any proof, then say prove me wrong.
The worst part is they don’t have the slightest idea how idiotic this line of reasoning. These are the same people who mock the NYTimes and 60 Minutes as journalistic jokes.
It’s truly and utter ridiculous how stupid some of these people are.
Neal
I just read Roland’s post and was quite relieved by it.
It’s a shame though that while Obama does want to raise the level of our political discourse, the people he is up against have no interest in discourse, as has been pointed out here. That “prove me wrong” tactic is maddening.
Voice of Reason
Proud to say I was banned from that site.
Dennis - SGMM
Then they cite each other as substantiation.
demimondian
The best of them, like CY, have no idea how idiotic that line of reasoning is. The worst of them use it as a propaganda tool. You can’t prove a negative, so you can’t prove them wrong — as CY shows in this very post.
The only way to win that game is to not play by their rules. If you take them seriously, you play by their rules.
Personally, I like the taste of freshly baked pie crust, myself.
LiberalTarian
Olde English, I think. ;)
joe
ThymeZone writes:
In an election with such an enthusiasm gap, where the Republican nominee is so widely disrespected by his party’s base, that’s just fine.
Even if ordinary, sane people see right through this – as they appear to be doing in increasing numbers – the scary-black-man theme is something that can get the Republicans base (real Americans, the ones who George Allen was always talking about) to hold their nose just to keep the overly-pigmented fella out of the Oval Office.
Dennis - SGMM
Urban Dictionary entry for asshat .
The Commander Guy
Anyone notice that Clintonista web trolls are sounding more and more like these wingnuts as they shill up Hillary’s chances for the nomination?
Dug Jay
Now this is a good example of the kind of goodwill and fellowship that will facilitate a “coming together” in a fully united way behind the Party’s candidate after the selection is made.
Way to go, TCG.
Jrod
Right, because comparing people who harp endlessly about Obama’s granny getting tossed under a bus and how much Wright hates whitey to people who’ve used the same sorts of attacks for over a decade would be unreasonable.
demimondian
Ah, Dug Jay, I appreciate the kind concern you’re showing for us. I agree with you that this is clearly bad for the Democratic — err, sorry, that is Democrat — Party.
Would you like some pie? It’s got a warm, flakey crust.
Notorious P.A.T.
Other than repeatedly bringing up Obama’s past drug use, and praising John McCain, and pushing the Jeremiah Wright “story”, and running Karl Rove-esque “red phone” ads, and saying Obama hasn’t passed the commander-in-chief test. . . no, no I haven’t.
flavortext
I just read the Malcolm X speech CY linked to, and have come to the following conclusions:
1) Peck really did talk about America’s violence leading to more violence. There’s a link in the first comment.
2) The words in Wright’s speech are either Wright’s or Peck’s. The only phrase attributable to Malcolm X is “America’s chickens are coming home to roost”, and I don’t see anything disingenuous or scary about Wright’s inclusion of it. Unless you’re scared of Malcolm X, that is.
3) CY is scared of Malcolm X. I don’t know why, the guy’s dead. Maybe it’s because Malcolm X was an angry man for most of his life – fairly understandable, considering all the shit America did to people of color during his lifetime (and which I, a white American, will unhesitantly damn America for). Angry or not, he made several valid criticisms of the U.S. government in his so-called “Chickens come home to roost speech”. It appears that CY is hinting, in a not-so-subtle way, that I should be scared or wary of Wright because he has alluded to Malcolm X. Nonsense.
4) People flying the Confederate flag shouldn’t be talking about race, and nobody with a proper head on their shoulders should pay any attention.
Libby Spencer
I especially liked this quote myself.
Ah, the gold standard for veracity. If TIDOS doesn’t trust him, how can any of us lesser beings be expected to take facts at face value?
Ted
Fine, asshole. If Obama wins the nom, go ahead and vote for McCain, or don’t vote at all. Then you can also enjoy the economic consequences, and more Bush-style cabinet and federal court appointments.
If it’s Hillary or Bust, then I guess you choose bust.
dslak
Yeah, Dug Jay’s a pretty hardcore Hillary booster. No doubt he’ll take it hard when she concedes.
Ted
At this point, I’m so sick of hearing about it, I don’t give a shit if every last one of Hillary’s No-One-But-Hillary supporters sit out the general election or vote for McCain. At least, as in 2000 with Nader voters, the rest of us will know precisely who to blame for president McBush and his merry band of Four-More-Years.
Digital Amish
From now on when a link is posted in a “I Read These Morons…” blog, instead of following the link I’m just going spend 10 minutes surfing some porn. It will be time better spent, the participants have more integrity and intellectual honesty and if I have to take a shower it might as well be for a good reason.
demimondian
Oh, no, you don’t understand. Dug Jay *is* a hard core Hillary booster. He and his know how to fan up HillaryHate(TM) — they’ve got lots of practice doing that. They’re at a bit of a loss dealing with MUPpet magic — he just refuses to play by their rules, and that makes them very sad.
Be humane: treat them as kindly as they have treated others in similar predicaments over the years. Please, nothing that leaves permanent visible harm or organ damage.
sujal
We’re looking for analysis on a topic involving race from a guy called the Confederate Yankee? Ah, the irony.
Dug Jay
No thanks, Demi. You’re flaky enough.
myiq2xu
Confederate Yankee in King Assholio’s Court?
Dug Jay
The plot thickens relative to the so-called passport scandal. This from Bill Gertz in today’s WaTimes:
Maybe this explains why the Obama camp was so anxious to blame Bush Friday night when the story broke. Is it possible that they were trying to obscure their own interests in Hillary, as well as McCain? Sure looks possible.
myiq2xu
Possible? Yes
Probable? Well let’s just say I have a better chance of tag-teaming Paris Hilton and Kate Beckensale.
John Cole
Or maybe it is because the Bush administration controls the State Department. Possibly? Maybe?
Ted
You really don’t mind looking pathetic, do you?
Tom
CY is scared of Malcolm X.
Malcolm X is, in my opinion, one of the great Americans. Started off as a crook, reformed himself in prison, became a prominent black leader who held some racist views, saw the error of those ways and evolved as a leader even further.
It’s the quintessential American story. CY’s post implies there’s something wrong with quoting Malcolm X. I’d be proud to do so. His autobiography should be required high school reading.
demimondian
Wow. So, once again, the investigative apparatus of the government is turned towards trying to find malfeasance in a Democrat-associated organization, and Republican-controlled organizations get off without oversight.
Great catch, Dug Jay.
Dug Jay
Nah! Appears more likely to represent another typical manifestation of BDS, rather than any reasoned judgement. Reason, after all, is not a characteristic found among many Obama acolytes…certainly not on this site.
TenguPhule
Shorter Dug Jay: Poopie! Look at me play with Poopie! Look at me! LOOK DAMNIT!!!
demimondian
Fixed that for you. It’s good to see that you’ve finally acknowledge your slanders. Maybe there’s hope for you yet.
Dug Jay
TenguPhule – Why don’t you go back to your porn sites? The underage kids over at Akiba are probably missing you.
myiq2xu
You do realize that when you clicked those links for underage kids having sex the FBI started monitoring you?
“They’re coming to take
meyou away, ha ha, ho ho, hee hee”TenguPhule
Dug Jay
RTreason, after all, isnota characteristic found among many Obama acolytes…certainlynoton this site.Fixed more appropriately, Demi.
TenguPhule
Damn you myiq2xu! How dare you have such wonderfully similiar tastes in music!! It makes it that much harder to mock you with flying ponies and flakey pie!
TenguPhule
myiq2xu
He said “poo!” He he
Dennis - SGMM
That’s fresh. Lemme see now; the economy is circling the drain, a war that was supposed to take six weeks to six months has now lasted longer than World War II, the ceiling on the national debt has been raised five times, the debt is now approaching nine and one-half trillion dollars and we’re solving that little problem by running larger deficits. We’re the only industrialized nation without universal health care, consequently there are thirty-two countries (Including Cuba) which have a lower infant mortality than we do.
BDS is when you still support the drunken, coke-addled little fratboy.
demimondian
Dennis — you traitor! How dare you criticize the work of our Coward in Chief and his Enablers?
myiq2xu
FDS is for women who want to feel “fresh”
Dennis - SGMM
Well, they were thorough and consistent.
Ted
I don’t get this dude. He loves Hillary, AND Bush.
Hey, check it out. Dug Jay is accusing Obama fans of being traitors. Kinda puts the “BDS” comment he made into context. I.e., he’s a wingnut.
myiq2xu
He’s just pretending to love Clagina to piss off MUPpets.
“
ChefsTrolls do that.”The Other Steve
The A-Team episodes are on the internet!
WOO HOO!
Zifnab
Is it me, or does the very term Confederate Yankee seem to roughly translate into Fifth Columnist. What with Yankees being from the north and Confederates being a group of rebels who regularly wanted to kill all the Yankees they could get their hands into.
But, yeah, lets assume for a brief moment that CY didn’t have the razor wit and superior intellect necessary to point out that even the thing Anderson Cooper didn’t say that wasn’t a lie was a devious trick by the media at large. Would he have even posted an article on the story, or would it have fallen on the cutting room floor? I’m just saying, if he couldn’t come out with some giant pants-shitting whine – baseless or otherwise – would he even know the show took place?
Ed Drone
“Confederate Yankees” were called “Copperheads” by their contemporaries, so, yeah, “fifth columnist” is pretty close. “Traitor*” would do, in a pinch.
Ed
* Just so some right-whinger doesn’t get in a snit, I’m using the terms and meanings as they were applied during the Civil War. “Copperheads” WERE traitors, probably even greater traitors than the rebels themselves, since they (the copperheads) stayed in the north to cause trouble and advance the Confederate cause, rather than join their ‘brothers in arms’ in combat. In this manner, they’re a lot like our armchair warriors of today: “Let’s you and him fight!” is their motto.
myiq2xu
I have to disagree somewhat. “Copperheads” took a certain amount of risk, unlike the Keyboard Kommandos.
demimondian
Yeah, Ted, Dug Jay is one of our pet trolls. He’s harmless, although he’s tough on the scenery. And he persists in drooling on everyone’s feet when he’s trying to chew on their ankles, hoping to be annoying.
Unlike most of our trolls, however, Dug Jay doesn’t seem to any redeeming qualities. Concentrated stupid, wrapped up in humorless and vile…that’s our Dug Jay. Want him?
Ted
Leave Confederate Yankee alone. His grill got killed.
eric jung
That was quick…
Ted
And not very entertaining, like Darrell or EEEL. Too bad James B didn’t stick around.
Oh yeah, and uh, no.
myiq2xu
That little pussy couldn’t take a punch.
jake
Ya’ll have to excuse Confederate Wanker. He hasn’t been the same since terrists threw his grill into his neighbor’s yard.
I wish there some way to determine his percentage of readers. I suspect a 20/80 split. 20% read it and take it seriously, 80% point and laugh.
So if I say there’s no proof that CW has stopped fucking goats … nah. I don’t want to sink to their level.
And since there is no way to prove the story about CW, the chickens and the jar of creamy peanut butter, there’s no point in bringing it up.
Dug Jay
As reported earlier today, the chief of the firm involved in the Passportgate scandal is a senior advisor to the Obama campaign. Not really very shocking when one looks at the background of Obama and his proclivity to align himself with the slugs of the world such as Tony “Hitman” Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, and Duard Fuarquard, to name but just a few out of literally dozens of bottom feeders that Obama is close to.
PaulB
LOL…. Poor Dug Jay. Is that really the best you can do? Shall we look at McCain’s associates, dear heart? Or Bush’s? Or any of the other top Republicans? As for those “literally dozens of bottom feeders that Obama is close to,” we eagerly await the list. It should be no problem, since there are so many to choose from, right?
Dug Jay
LOL….Poor silly old PaulB, what a fool is he. Stuck with a real loser in Obama, rhymes with Osama, and helps remind all of America where he came from….what a piece of scum is good old Obama, rhymes with Osama.
Soylent Green
You left out his middle name. No soup for you.
TenguPhule
This public service translation has been brought to you by the letter B.
TenguPhule
Dug Jay
TenguPhule, what were your ancestors doing in the months leading up to December 7, 1941? Just idle curiosity, shithead.
Ted
Yes. Hawaii is indeed a terrorist breeding ground, though I’d bet money you’ve never been there. But you’re right nonetheless.
BTW, YoMama also rhymes with Osama. Does she have one of those “sniz”-hidden nuclear weapons like Hillary in that South Park episode?
myiq2xu
Fo’ snizzle yo bizzle
Johnny Pez
It must be, for no other will serve.
PaulB
ROFL… Whatever you say, dear.
I’m so going to enjoy it when your candidate, John “100 years in Iraq and more tax cuts for the wealthy” McCain goes down to a crushing defeat in November. You really should have picked someone who’s joined the 21st Century dear. Ah, well, there’s always 2012.
Oh, and dear heart? “I know you are but what am I” stopped being an effective taunt when I was three years old. You really should improve your shtick if you want to be an effective troll.
TenguPhule
This translation has been brought to you by the number 4.
rachel
Any troll who gets people to respond to him is an effective troll.
myiq2xu
And if the response is longer than the troll’s original comment – the troll wins.
Dug Jay
As the winner here, please forward all prize monies to the Hillary campaign.
Thx.
PaulB
Not quite. Any troll who gets people to take him seriously and gets people to try to engage him wins. Personally, I like counter-trolling and getting the troll to play my game, just as Dug Jay did.
Dug Jay
Right, PaulB. You are so fucking stupid you can barely get those twelve year olds in bed.
Dug Jay
…or at least that’s what both myiq2xu and TenguPhule are saying.
TenguPhule
This translation has been brought to you by the letter C.
PaulB
ROFLMAO… I do love it when a troll demonstrates that he has completely lost it. It smells like … victory.
Dug Jay
PaulB – Where’s my fucking money?
TenguPhule
Corrected for accuracy.
Dug Jay
TenguPhule
4chan party van will be with you shortly.