I won’t be watching, because I don’t really care anymore. This primary has sucked the will to live out of me, and unless Obama unveils a comprehensive plan to bugger every child in the country, he is still my choice over Hillary.
I should probably also point out that the election really isn’t at stake. Hillary has already lost, she just doesn’t realize it yet. But you know the press, they want their little race, so the show must go on.
At any rate, consider this an open thread.
myiq2xu
Hmmm. If Obama already won, why hasn’t he won yet?
From TalkLeft:
It’s not the delegates that matter, it’s the voters.
scrutinizer
Well, that’s certainly an unbiased source.
John S.
Because…he…ZZZzzz
Hillary is so awesome!
Toolshed
Clinton is losing by that count too. Wanna try again?
Krista
No Child’s Behind Left
Pb
For the same reason that Mike Gravel hasn’t yet… however…
You can do it, Gravel! Gravel ’08, first win the supers, then win it on the second ballot, yeah baby!
Salty Party Snax
John Cole paints a pretty picture here.
calipygian
He wont. He isn’t a Florida Republican.
wvng
Some people say that Obama has a comprehensive plan to bugger every child in the country. He denies this, but the questions remain. Even Senator Clinton has heard the rumor, and it makes her really bitter.
How’s that John?
w vincentz
Is Hillary going to debate topless?
If she shows up again wearing anything yellow, she WON’T get my vote (oh yeah, she lost it quite a while ago).
Sure hope her make-up is good. Lot’s to cover up.
Do I seem shallow?
Does Hillary?
Let’s shoot some ducks!
They like shallow.
Ted
Holy crap. Did John really write this post? There are contractions all over the place! Does it take a beer or two?
;)
w vincentz
Ted,
It takes at least a six pack.
Check the code words…”sucked”, “bugger”, “little race”, “show”. It’s subliminal unless you dig in.
JC is into it, and quite truthful. You’ll see after the last of the sixer. Bottoms up!
Ooops, excuse me to any that have anal tendancies.
Dennis - SGMM
No mas debates. No mas.
calipygian
The Democratic Party has made Roberto Durans of us all.
myiq2xu
From riverdaughter:
Give Tweety a hand writing his post-debate script.
Martin
Except most of the people in the survey don’t know that the question is a hypothetical. We don’t know the popular vote unless we exclude around a dozen states.
Wanna explain why FL/MI must be counted and the caucus states completely rejected?
Oh, and Obama gets 0 votes in MI in popular vote, so work that into your answer – or are you willing to give him the 45% that voted uncommitted?
daryljhusseinfontaine
Frankly, that’d be awesome as a straight-up Mad Lib.
D
L. Ron Obama
Krista, POTD.
PeterJ
Well. That depends on how you count. I think the latest idea from the Clinton Campaign is that you should only count old people since they are wise. Young people on the other hand are dumb because they are inexperienced.
I thought the idea was to get the young ones to vote? Since they will vote for democrats. But I guess 50%+1 is the right way to do it…
Also, does this new revelation mean that McCain is wiser than Clinton and Obama?
w vincentz
See Ted,
Even MYIQX0 is speaking code. “Supporter”, “knock out blow”, “amazing response”, “this guy”, “rest once”, “Tweety”, “a hand”.
Sounds like a magnificent jerk off to me and others that understand the code.
Dennis - SGMM
Clinton is viewed as “honest and trustworthy” by just 39 percent of Americans, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, compared with 52 percent in May 2006.
This is good news for her electability.
NR
And her favorability ratings are at 44% favorable, 54% unfavorable.
I might feel bad for her, but all those wounds are self-inflicted.
Xenos
Debate?
Yankees-Sox on NESN. The rest of the world can bugger off for a couple hours. I am watching Bucholz get schooled!
John Cole
How is the debate going? My legs finally fucking dropped for my mage in Mt. Hyjal. Woo. Warcrack.
DougJ
God, I fucking hate Hillary. Hate her. That shit about “it wasn’t just me calling Obama elitist, it was people who felt their values were being insulted.”
I’m sorry people, but that is the most Rovian bullshit I’ve ever heard in my life. I pray to God that I don’t have to vote for her in the general. I will, don’t get me wrong, if she’s the nominee.
But Jesus Fucking Christ, how much of this bullshit do we have to put up with?
Is that what it felt like when other great civilizations fell?
Dennis - SGMM
The McCain campaign would have some wonderful ad fodder should Clinton convince the supers to hand her the nom:
Hillary Clinton: her own party wouldn’t give her their votes. Why should you?
Ted
Is that like testicles dropping?
Sorry. I play TES IV, which follows a lot of the same rules, but I haven’t heard the term “legs dropped” for a mage before.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
Bitch is still lying about Tuzla.
TR
Hillary in response to a voter’s question about the Tuzla Tiger incident: “I may be a lot of things, but I’m not dumb.”
Way to hammer home the regular-gal persona.
Phoenix Woman
That rule only applies to Democratic primaries. The Republican ones they want to be over with immediately. Notice how they were trying to shove Mitt and Huck off the stage in mid-January?
The Commander Guy
HRC just worked “bitter” into one of her responses to a Wright question.
She hesitated just a split second before she said it, but damn if I didn’t notice a sparkle or gleam in her eyes when she said it.
TR
Watching her, I cannot fucking believe she had the gall to call someone else condescending.
John Cole
An item I wanted dropped. No biggee.
Ted
Ah, I see. I just thought it sounded funny.
Dennis - SGMM
Just phony, as evidenced by this:
Dug Jay
Another group makes their endorsement of Obama official.
During an interview on WABC radio Sunday, top Hamas political adviser Ahmed Yousef said the terrorist group supports Obamaâs foreign policy vision.
w vincentz
Ted,
Looks like you’re catchin’ on to the code. It’s all subliminal to those that can’t read under it.
See: “warcrack”, “item”, “no bigee”.
The agencies that monitor this site must be tearing their armpit hairs out trying to figure the code out.
Hang in there, Ted. You’ll catch on.
Think of what the Nazis went through trying to figure out the French underground.
TR
Obama just ripped off George Stephanopolus’s testicles and stomped on them repeatedly. (Regarding Ayers: “The idea that I need to apologize for something that he did when I was eight years old …?”)
Wait, now Hillary’s going back to the issue? What a fucking idiot.
Dennis - SGMM
Well. with over 755,000 names on your buddy Bush’s Terrorist Watch List it sounds as though Obama will win effortlessly.
chopper
ah, and so it starts. soon kim jong-il will say something flattering about mccain and ahmedinijad will say he likes hillary and we all cry a little inside.
The Other Steve
Obama should respond, “Look, these types of character accusations are petty and stupid. A lot of people out on the campaign trail keep calling Hillary a Bitch, but I don’t go around repeating it.”
Now that’s Rovian. :-)
firebrand
Un-fucking-believable. This debate has gone on for nearly 45 minutes, and the moderators haven’t asked a SINGLE POLICY QUESTION. NOT ONE. Nothing about health care, nothing about the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan, or about how the Bush adminstration TORTURES PEOPLE. Noo, we want to ask questions about Bittergate, and flag pins! Oh, and then there’s Reverend Wright – that’s obviously more important than the country going down the shitter! I can’t fucking believe this! No wonder Bush got re-elected – he had simpletons like Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos helping to keep the American electorate in the fucking dark.
The Other Steve
You’re shitting me? Snuffalupagus asked that? I was reading over at dKos earlier today that he’d been fed that line by Hannity. I thought it was a bunch of bullshit.
TR
Seriously. Bittergate to Wright to Tuzla to Ayers… ?
It’s actually helping Obama make his point though, as they keep on bringing out one issue that’s even more pathetic than the last.
yet another jeff
I feel bad for Obama…he has to hold back from saying “look, all three of you motherfuckers are part of the problem! Flag pins, 9-11, fucking fuckety fuck, people. Goddamn!”
I know I couldn’t maintain the composure in the face of hardcore idiocity that Obama is showing us.
The Other Steve
Is this like how Osama bin Laden came out in support of GW Bush in 2004?
Dennis - SGMM
The press has clearly learned its lesson from the Bush years.
nightjar
Oh No. Rumor has it Hillary has some shocking info on Obama’s activities during the Vietnam war and plans to sling it tonight.
Pb
This debate is actually deviously unfair, as well as, yeah, pathetically horrible. You know why? Because former Clinton official George Stephanopolous got some “questions” from right-wing cesspools like Fox News and fucking NewsMax.
ntr Fausto Carmona
Yay, a policy question.
Hillary on how to get us out of Iraq: “I’ll punt it to the Pentagon.”
Oh snap, Charlie. HILLARY IS ELITIST TO OUR GENERALS.
John Cole
I have no sympathy. It is your fault for watching.
w vincentz
Hillary just said something about Bush “moving the goal posts”.
Hmmm…she should know about moving goal posts.
Conservatively Liberal
Why ask policy questions? Our country is running perfectly, and we are driving on streets paved in gold. There is no need for policy questions because WrightandObamaaremuslimswhohateAmerikaandthinkpeoplearebitter, and people only want to hear about that. Wow, you act as if policy questions are important.
What a dunce.
/snark
I am with John, I can’t bear to watch the monster in action any more. Obama has my vote unless he is found to be eating infants for breakfast.
TR
Agreed. I would’ve gone full-on Howard Beale within ten minutes.
Just once, I’d like to see a candidate ask one of those questioners, “Hey, I’ll tell you what, let’s drive out to a random American’s house and see if they give a shit. Would they like to hear answers on Iraq, gas prices, home foreclosures, and the recession? Or do they want to know if I renounce this forty-year-old comment from someone they’ve never heard of?”
shera
I was all set to watch this. I made it through Obama’s opening statement, then muted Clinton, then closed the window altogether. Glad to know I made the right decision.
/preening
Dug Jay
Well, as TOS suggests, with every terrorist-loving soul, as well as every whack job posting here, all supporting Obama, he may well win….against Hillary.
The Commander Guy
Dug Jay. Too bad ol Hills didn’t get mo votes than the other guy.
Now in da debate, ol Hills is blaming Bush completely for the war without batting an eye. And failing to mention that she has enabled every bad decision that GWB made by her silence, acquiescence, boosterism or her calculation.
ntr Fausto Carmona
Stephanopolos: NUKES. IRAN. ISRAEL. Looks like a NewsMax one.
Obama: “No options off the table.” Oioioi…
TR
Yep. “He hosted a fundraiser for you!” And after Obama smacked him down by showing how ridiculous it was, Hillary blindly piled on with “You were on a charity board with him!”
I’m reminded of the Simpsons episode where Lisa becomes a vegetarian:
Your modern media, folks.
Krista
“And the part of Barack Obama tonight will be played by Samuel L. Jackson. Please refer to your Playbill for more information.”
It almost seems like a Chappelle Show skit, doesn’t it?
firebrand
You know, I actually honestly thought there was a chance the debate would be substantive. The soft bigotry of low expectations, I guess. You’re right, though: I have no one else to blame but myself for going through this ridiculous, nonsensical debate. But seriously, is it too much to ask that a debate be about the issues? Christ, the Bush years have really done a number on this country, haven’t they?
TR
From Daily Kos:
The Commander Guy
How many times has Hillary said 9-11 now?
The numba has gotta be mounting (not in a Bill42 sorta way).
But they are going up.
ntr Fausto Carmona
I love the smiles both of ’em cracked on the McSame clip.
Jill
What a joke of a debate. I am speechless at how inane and stupid every question has been in the 1st hour.
Zifnab
The only difference is that when Obama talks like that, he actually intends to include “diplomacy” and “listening to the UN weapons inspectors” as options.
TR
I forgot the best part of Obama’s Ayers answer — he said, “I’m friendly with Tom Coburn too, and he’s a far-right conservative who thinks we ought to use the death penalty on abortion providers. Do you want me to apologize for what he said too?” Fucking brilliant.
And then Hillary pressed the issue like an idiot.
Dug Jay
From the NYT:
Arugula? Arugula and Whole Foods….in Iowa, for fucking sake? And which of you morons said Obama was a “man of the people, and note an elitist?”
w vincentz
Firebrand,
Question #1—-yes
Question #2—-yes
L. Ron Obama
Obama: We will respond to an attack on Israel with appropriate measures.
Clinton: We will respond to an attack on Israel with MASSIVE RETALIATION.
Holy shit, people. Looks like she took Krauthammer to heart.
Jen
The wit is quick with this one. It must be thawing out up there.
It’s tivoed, going to watch it in nonreal time. Unreal time. Probably unfuckingbelievable time.
ntr Fausto Carmona
True, I’ve just become personally sick of “all options on the table”.
The Commander Guy
Dug
I thought he was a Marxist. Now he’s an Elitist.
What will he be tomorrow?
But you don’t know the answer to that question.
JGabriel
John Cole:
Kinky.
.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
This is the debate FOX news wanted to hold. Everything has been framed in the Republican spin.
ntr Fausto Carmona
Ed Rendell looks really happy to be there, even with Hillary puffing him up from the stage.
AkaDad
John McCain is associated with all those Republicans serving time in jail for corruption. This clearly means that he supports their actions.
Jill
Arugula is grown in Iowa and is sold throughout the state.
Krista
He said that? Awesome.
ntr Fausto Carmona
Uh, Charlie, are you debating or is Obama debating?
CBD
Back in the ’90’s….
Krista
I have my moments. And yes, it was lovely out today. 15 degrees (59 degrees Fahrenheit for my dear neighbours.)
Dug Jay
Given the tenor of the comments here about how the debate is going, as well as the apparent frustration at Hillary’s performance, I gather that Obama has pretty much had his ass handed to him.
w vincentz
Kinky, yes. But if your knee high socks stay up, you’re good to go. (code for those that have the handbook).
Slide
Is anyone else as pissed as I am by the ridiculous questions that the candidates are being asked?
ntr Fausto Carmona
Oh goodies, they’re starting this segment with the Second Amendment. I wonder where they’re headed with this round of questions.
CBD
I bet they don’t ever mention the Fourth one.
daryljhusseinfontaine
“The clear loser in tonight’s debate: the voting public, who hoped to learn something substantial about the candidates and were led down a path of bitter disappointment by the mendacity of the moderators.”
D
p.lukasiak
Waaaaahhh…. I want my Obama! gimme my Obama!!!!
http://www.correntewire.com/political_psychology_obama_sexism_and_the_infantile_id
Desmond
So like the only policy question has been on the capital gains tax? That sure is a pressing problem for middle America, isn’t it? These moderators are REALLY in touch, aren’t they?
yet another jeff
Shit, i forgot to pray for people that died, but I’ll play some Jim Carroll later.
w vincentz
Is there a duck pond in Philadephia where Hillary can shoot some ducks?
ntr Fausto Carmona
Duck huntin’ Hillary wants to re-instate the assault weapons ban. ROTFLMAO
yet another jeff
Debates like this are why sawed off shotguns are illegal.
Bob In Pacifica
Bruce Springsteen has endorsed Obama. Fountains of Wayne and Bon Jovi is rumored to be leaning towards Obama while Leslie Gore is said to be ready to come out for Clinton. Is it over? It hasn’t started out here on the West Coast.
The Commander Guy
Dug St00pid is St00pid does. Rock on dood.
CBD
We will do everything we can to protect Constitutional Rights, but….
But, What? There is no “but” allowed in that.
TR
My thoughts exactly. We’re not going to hear the words “cruel and unusual” either.
Martin
Uh, you don’t need a Whole Foods in Iowa. The whole fucking state is a Whole Foods. It’s NJ that needs them.
And arugula is extremely common in salads. Go to a restaurant and get a salad and the green stuff you can’t put a name to is arugula.
Pooh
Maybe you could watch the fucking thing and form your own goddamn opinion before someone from NRO tells you what you think.
Conservatively Liberal
No doubt.
JGabriel
Dug Jay:
He was talking to arugula farmers, you moron. They happen to grow arugula in Iowa.
.
The Commander Guy
Tee Ball For Obama of the Affirmative Action Q. He teed it up.
Hill is filibustering, probably for a reason…. strategic answer here.
JGabriel
Dug Jay, I’m sorry, the ‘you moron’ crack was uncalled for. Possibly funny, but uncalled for.
.
TR
Charlie Gibson: “We’re running out of time here, so let me ask you a few questions really quickly. In a minute, tell me what you would do about high gas prices?”
A minute for gas prices. An hour for Denounce-a-Palooza.
Fuck you, Charlie Gibson. Fuck you.
Pooh
Completely called for JGabriel.
DougJ
Until they distill it and make hard liquor out of it, they shit’s still elitist, no matter how many dirt poor Iowa farmers grow it.
Martin
Wow, what, 3 minutes to determine that p.lucs cherished article was full of shit. And I guess it does take a rocket scientist because the author is totally wrong.
Desmond
Hillary made some comment about people dying as a result of the attacks of the Weathermen. That’s somewhat true, but the only people who were killed were Weathermen themselves when one of their bombs exploded prematurely. They would generally call ahead and warn people before their bombs went off.
And Bill Ayers’ is part of a philanthropic organization in Chicago, so it’s no surprise that Obama knows him.
nightjar
Stephonidiot- Senator Obama, do you prefer fried chicken over watermelon and if so why did you say chicken eaters were bitter people when we all know who they are.
Senator Clinton breaks in– I want to go on record that I like fried chicken AND watermelon and people don’t turn to greasy and watery food cause the government let them down. Oh, and I specially love teh chicken eaters– (snears at Obama)
Man, our media has quite obviously gone insane.
Dennis - SGMM
Next up: “In twenty seconds or less, what will you do to curb the increasing influence of Russia on the nations surrounding the Caspian Sea?”
The Commander Guy
This debate is a joke.
Lyssophobe
Every time Clinton starts talking, I feel the urge to yell: “Swiper, no swiping! Swiper, no swiping! Swiper, no swiping!”
(Really only funny if you have kids.)
TR
“How would you stabilize the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — in haiku, please?”
AkaDad
It looks like ABC has become the Fox “news” of broadcast tv.
Dennis - SGMM
“In the form of a limerick, tell us how you would deal with the issue of loose nukes.”
El Cid
Why is Barack Obama bombing buildings in the 1960’s and 1970’s? That doesn’t seem right.
Conservatively Liberal
Tune in to Olbermann, he is hot!
nightjar
TR
Christ, I agree with Jonah Goldberg.
This has got to be one of the Biblical signs of Armageddon.
Pooh
JFC, the fucking pantload says ABC was in the bag on this one. Fuckity fuck fuck.
zzyzx
Is there any reason for me to watch it in 2 hours?
reid
Worst-run debate ever. Way to focus on important issues, assholes.
Dennis - SGMM
Only if you want to raise your blood pressure.
daryljhusseinfontaine
If you like enduring stupidity-induced aneurysms, I say go for it. Sweet monkey Jebus, what a crock of feces that was.
Andrew
I’ve known a few arugula farmers in my day, and let me tell you what, they are way more elitist than radicchio farmers.
cbear
JFC, why not just drop the pretense and have Newt Gingrich and Tom Delay moderating the debates.
myiq2xu
he he he
reid
Holy shit, I threw up on my TV…. Do you think ABC will reimburse me? I know there are lawyers here, do we have enough for a class action suit?
zzyzx
Thank the blerping Lord that ABC didn’t air it live.
Jules
How comprehensive does the plan need to be? Federal mandates or block grants to the states? Opt in, or opt out?
Jess
I believe one other person was killed, a grad student in Madison WI, but maybe that was from some other group’s bomb. But you’re correct in that they never intentionally targeted people–only property.
But I am continually amazed by the media limbo these days–they always confound my lowest expectations.
JGabriel
They should both refuse to do any more debates on ABC. They needn’t make a big issue or talking point of it, just a pact between them to say, “No can do, I’m busy,” next time ABC comes a-knocking.
.
Conservatively Liberal
Judging from what I have read elsewhere, Stephanopoulos pulled off his inside job for Hillary. That right wing questions were solicited says it all for me. Pretty much as I expected, so no surprise there. I do not think it is going to be more than a bump in the road though. I don’t think it will matter much in the whole scheme of things though. Her supporters are going to stay with her, and his with him, and they are going to fight over the scraps.
In other words, it is just another day in this mess. No big deal other than ABC is coming off as a Fox News contender. I think intelligent people will see it for what it was, a joke. Nothing of substance, just the fluff that Hillary wants to push.
Or more aptly put, ‘Where’s the beef?’. This was a no meat debate.
D-Chance.
Toss a stick in amongst a pack of dogs, and the one that yelps…
Pooh
Look I’m not saying that he did or did not do poorly. I am saying that people should maybe try to inform themselves instead of resorting to this “people say” bullshit.
People say you blow goats. I don’t believe it for a moment. Would you care to comment?
(You see what I did there?)
Kenneth Almquist
It took Gibson and Stephanopolis 45 minutes to get around to asking a substantive question. Please, never let those guys moderated a debate ever again.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
OK, who else wants in on the class action lawsuit against ABC for the pain and suffering inflicted on us by this insanely stupid, Fox news scripted piece of attack “journalism” which was fraudelently marketed as a debate?
Extra bonus points to ABC for the absolute ban on audience applause (which made both candidates seem stiff and out of touch) and the weird blue lighting which made every audience pan shot look like it was in filmed in an aquarium or some dreary nightclub.
This was the GOP “make Democrats look bad in every way” wet dream step up.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
If this debate had been hosted by Cartoon Network, and moderated by Ben 10 and Johnny Bravo, it would have been 1000% better.
Andrew
I have to say I did like when they panned to a bunch of fat old white males bathed in the spooky blue light when they mentioned hedge fund managers.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Andrew – I laughed at that too, for about 2 seconds, until I realized that ABC had just managed to drive home a subliminal point that greedy blood sucking hedge fund managers are Democrats.
Nice.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
What goes around comes around:
ABC Hosts Heckled After Debate. Charlie Gibson complains during the last commercial break: “The Crowd Is Turning On Me”
Pb
I’m in. Hey, as a network, don’t they have some responsibility to… what was it… oh yeah:
Sounds good to me.
Up next: how obviously biased does your coverage have to be before it starts counting as an illegal in-kind campaign contribution?
OriGuy
If Hillary pursues this Ayers BS, she deserves to be asked why she interned for a law firm in 1971 that had several partners who were members of the Communist Party. See Truehaft, Walker, and Burnstein. It’s just as irrelevant.