I hope these primary results come in faster, because I don’t want Norah O’Donnell to be late for prom (WTF is she wearing?).
Kos has it at 54-46 with 47% reporting, which is pretty much what I called, so we shall see if it holds up.
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Krista
Do me a favour. Please wake me in June.
bostondreams
And naturally if Clinton wins by any margin, she or her supporters will spin it as a great victory when ‘everyone counted her out.’ This despite being up by 25 or so at the start of the Pennsylvania campaign.
John S.
Naturally.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
SurveyUSA two weeks ago: Clinton by 18
SurveyUSA one week ago: Clinton by 14
SurveyUSA last weekend: Clinton by 6
Today: Barring any late changes, Clinton by 8
I imagine she’s thanking her lucky stars PA didn’t schedule the primary for next week.
Jorge
This is so weird…
This media game is exhausting. All horse race and all manufactured drama.
cleek
it won’t be over until August, when the Democratic party’s last 100 supporters get together in Denver and admit there’s no point in bothering to pick anybody, since McCain’s polling in the upper 90s.
The Earth-Bound Misfit
Now Hear This!
All Democrats in Indiana and North Carolina, muster for duty in the Circular Firing Squad.
That is all.
If Clinton can’t have the nomination, she will make bloody certain that nobody else will win for the Democrats in November. I defended the Clintons throughout the 1990s, but I admit now that the Clinton-haters had a point. Those two are indeed among the most self-absorbed and despicable people on the face of the planet.
tjproudamerican
Hillary and her core support are all sad.
JenJen
Chuck Todd (who, along with Keith Olbermann, remain the last non-hysterical, non-sneezing member of MSNBC’s staff this evening) says that the Philadelphia ‘burbs haven’t reported yet, and highlights Montgomery County among them.
Kudos to Chuck Todd tonight, certainly the most rational and calm coverage all evening.
Cain
well folks, we should congratulate team hillary on her fine win. Well done. See you in Indiana.
cain
nightjar
Three more months of Hannatized Talk Left comments like this and I might move to Kazakhstan where you can boil your opponents in oil, apparently.
gypsy howell
Meanwhile, over in the parallel universe that exists in Larry’s mind, Hillary has definitively won the nomination tonight, but the evil media are just lying and saying Barack has it locked anyway.
Then the comments descend into a rant against those “AAs” and their stupid belief in Obama as their savior.
Bob In Pacifica
Patience is a virtue. Napoleon made it to Moscow.
Soylent Green
Woo hoo! Hillary wins PA! Now she forges ahead to her last firewall, Puerto Rico, where the late returns from San Juan obligate all of the superdelegates to do their duty and award the nomination to the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.
The Other Steve
Interesting. CNN with 77% reporting says Clinton only winning 56-46. About what we all thought, but sadly well below the double digit win Clinton needed to make a difference.
What matters is the delegate count, and CNN is only reporting the statewide distribution based on overall performance. I’m going to guess that out of the 158 it goes something like Hillary get’s 83, and Obama 75 or something like that. So she digs maybe 8-9 delegates against Obama’s 150 delegate lead.
Still not quite certain how she makes up the remainder with the states remaining.
But then we all know that, here in Reality world.
Let’s find out what myiq has to say about Fantasy world.
The Grand Panjandrum
I don’t think most Clinton supporters know that the HRC campaign had hoped for a margin of 200,000+ votes today to be able to trumpet (until North Carolina and Indiana vote on May 6) a somewhat dubious lead in the national popular vote (if they include Florida and Michigan). That’s aint’t happening tonight.
Congratulations to Senator Clinton. The Big State Strategy is still working! Unfortunately the other states still count.
nightjar
And while the Circus goes on here in the states, 5 more GI’s will miss the coming election and everything after.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Is it too early to call myself Nostradouglas for picking 5 to 10? The difference has been stuck at 8 for a while now.
Hillary spent herself into the red and got yet another inconclusive win out of it. Someone go fetch Don Meredith.
(Fun facts: Dandy Don turned 70 twelve days ago.)
Z
Oh let the Hillary supporters celebrate in their bunker. Its all good. She can’t win. Nationally, her negatives are on the up, and Obama is rising. That is what the supers will pay the most attention to. If the majority of Democratic voters want Obama, they won’t give it to Hillary. It doesn’t matter what nonsense her supporters spout. The more nasty they get, the more she jumps the shark.
The Other Steve
Oh wow… Huckabee and Paul are still going strong.
Ok, so what’s up with Chester county? why no results?
Zuzu
Isn’t 10% double digits?
Or am I missing something?
Fwiffo
Tomorrow is my Birthday, and as a present to myself, I am paying no attention to the primary. I didn’t even read this post for fear that I might get sucked in. I don’t even know yet who won.
My friends got me the super-deluxe collectors box of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and I’m going to put it on repeat until November. Stake me when it’s over.
The Grand Panjandrum
Typo. Its 54-46. An 8 point spread.
p.lukasiak
CLinton’s margin is gonna go higher…
Philly is 97% in. So that’s it for counties that are going to go for Obama. with 22% of the precincts in the state left to report, I think we’re looking at double digits.
Obama proved he can’t win in November tonight. He had seven weeks to connect with white middle and working class voters, and he couldn’t do it.
Against HILLARY CLINTON? Ms 52% negatives? Edwards would have beat her here…no problem.
But Obama just can’t connect with the base — and if he can’t connect with that base, its over.
The Other Steve
So you still have hope she can get that 65/35 blowout she needed?
You are aware that in November the matchup will be between a Democrat and a Republican… and not two Democrats.
I hope?
The Grand Panjandrum
Since when did a Democratic primary have anything to do with the GE. Are you saying that the “base” won’t vote for Obama? Jesus Christ on a crutch! A good portion of the base did vote for Obama. Or don’t African-Americans count? They are a large part of the Democratic base.
The Other Steve
I want to thank p.luk for coming and giving us the perspective from Fantasy land.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Clinton by 10 with 80% counted, not including the Philly suburbs – or so I hear.
Meanwhile, Hillary can’t connect with black voters and white upper class voters. It’ll be a McCainapalooza!
myiq2xu
Very apt analogy. Obama makes it to “Moscow” then loses big.
Moscow = Democratic nomination
November = Waterloo
gypsy howell
Chester County finally reported. 55% Obama at the moment. Ooops.
bostondreams
How does tonight show that he cannot win in November? What you Clinton folks need to be concerned about is why this woman has run such an incompetent campaign, and gone from presumed nominee less than a year ago to someone who pretends to be an underdog, and claims a small percentage victory a ‘crushing loss’ for Obama, when she has been consistently losing support in that state since campaigning started in it?
If she is this weak against someone like Obama, however will she handle the powerful and nasty Republican machine? Hmmm?
Wow, channeling Clinton arguments is fun!
myiq2xu
Obama loses by double-digits in another big battleground state and that’s a “win?”
McGovern – Mondale – Dukakis – Obama
The few, the lame, the losers
p.lukasiak
its official… Hillary is now up by 10.
Clinton 1,034,060 55%
Obama 842,087 45%
84% reporting
Delia
If Hillary’s the nominee, a lot of these young people who have registered in order to campaign for Obama and Independents who have come to the Dems for Obama are just going to disappear. There aren’t enough of the old, committed Dems like me who will just hold our noses and vote for her anyway.
The Other Steve
Hillary seems to do very poorly in urban areas, where the Democratic party has historically done very well. The urban vote usually provides the margin for statewide wins, but how Hillary expects to do that when she can only get 35% in these areas baffles me.
Dave
25 points shrinks to 8 points, a margin assisted by an unknown proportion of Rush Limbaugh drones
http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1090
At what point do voters just nod and smile whenever Hillary opens her mouth?
gypsy howell
Those kind of people don’t count because they aren’t ‘regular Americans’. Or so Tweety just told me.
Zuzu
I’ve probably said it here before, but I just can’t shake the feeling that she/they effected a little sabotage on the Kerry campaign in ’04. McAulliffe? Please.
Then of course she stabbed Kerry in the back over his botched joke in 2006, demanding that he “apologize to the troops.”
Psycheout
It was probably Hillary’s declaration that she would personally obliterate Iran that put her over the top.
While Barry wants to have tea and cookies with the evildoers of the world, Hillary vows to turn them into glass. Well played, Shrill.
I guess people are starting to get a little anxious at the thought of nominating an empty suit. Good for them.
This could be a turning point in the Democrat contest. In a contest between these two moonbats, I’m rooting for injuries. Time to make some more popcorn.
The Other Steve
Chester County doesn’t count, silly.
p.lukasiak
its called white working class voters.
in 2000, in New York, everyone thought that Clinton couldn’t win those voters. She went on her Listening Tour, and listened, and won them over.
Obama couldn’t connect. He doesn’t speak to their concerns.
And he’ll lose in november if he is the nominee. I’ll vote for him, but he’ll still lose.
tBone
And tonight p.luk proved that spending 3 months lodged firmly in Hillary Clinton’s ass can cause hallucinations.
Seriously, WTF? Does p.luk have the Fountain of Eternal Hackdom in his basement, or what? It’s kind of impressive, in a sad, pathetic way.
The Other Steve
Didn’t Mondale and McGovern endorse Hillary?
Dukakis hasn’t endorsed anyone to my knowledge.
Delia
And one more thing: in terms of appealing to the youth: Hillary’s got her daughter Chelsea. And while Chelsea has turned out to be an articulate and intelligent young woman who has made the most of the many opportunities life has offered her, she is, after all, a hedge fund analyst, and is perhaps not the best person to campaign for someone who keeps harping about elites.
gypsy howell
Yeah, Too white no doubt.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
A pair of someone’s are missing from that list.
Clinton ’08: Sure The Same Strategy Failed In ’00 & ’04, But We Really Can Pull It Off This Time! (And If We Don’t, We Can Just Blame Nader / Diebold / Bitter Obama Supporters / Anybody But Us!)
Dug Jay
The nation’s third largest chain of newspapers, McClatchy, just moved this story to their 30 or so newspapers across the country under the heading, “Clinton’s Win in Pa. Leaves Obama Battered, Party Reeling:”
Just saw his remarks from someplace in Indiana. He seemed to go on longer than Clinton, and he lost! He is a bit of a gasbag, isn’t he?
JenJen
I can see into the future. Here’s what Clinton’s Indiana campaign will sound like:
“I’m from Muncie. Bob Knight raised me. ‘Breaking Away’ is my favorite movie… ever! I went on tour with Mellencamp, and I’m Peyton Manning’s mom.
I drove the pace car at the Indy 500. I love sweet corn.”
Z
So Obama can’t connect with white, working class older voters (many of which who have clear issues with race). Clinton can’t connect with educated voters, working class black voters, young voters, and independents. How is this cause for celebration for Clinton supporters? White working class voters are important, but they don’t carry even the majority of the Democratic party, except in a few select states. Plus she had a 20 point lead, which she squandered with her bad behavior. What a disaster.
Mutaman
Hey John- Go fuck yourself. 100% 0f the MSN and 90% of the liberal Blogesphere on your side,, outspent her 3/1, plus Dean and Pilosi and Teddy, and you still got your ass handed to you. Ha, Ha, Ha. (I just sent Hillary annother $50.).
JGabriel
At 87% of the vote in, the spread is 10%, 55-45.
That’s actually a bit higher than I expected. I honestly didn’t think Clinton would break 10%. (A quick calculation on the vote totals shows that it’s not just a rounding estimate, Clinton has broken through the 10% mark.)
One thing worth remarking on are the results of the *Republican* primary. With McCain having the nomination sewn up, you’d expect to see him with something like 92% or better of the vote. 83% would be the floor, or so you would think.
Instead, even with the nomination locked up, McCain is only getting 72% of the vote. Ron Paul is getting 16%, and Huckabee is receiving 12%. That’s kind of startling. It looks like the party isn’t yet coalescing behind McCain as strongly as we’ve been hearing.
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incontrolados
way to go heavy handed politics.
Your type of politics should be long gone —
TZ, Jen, et al.
gypsy howell
Considering the lead Hillary once had in PA, she apparently spent the last seven weeks convincing a good percentage of them not to vote for her after all.
Soylent Green
In that case, on election day, why don’t you just stay home?
Mutaman
“I’m from Muncie. Bob Knight raised me. ‘Breaking Away’ is my favorite movie… ever! I went on tour with Mellencamp, and I’m Peyton Manning’s mom.’
Like Zero said- FLAUNT IT BABY, FLAUNT IT.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Cha-ching, there’s another $50 sent Obama’s way.
JGabriel
Dug Jay:
That’s really overstating the case. Obama is taking an expected loss, at an expected margin.
Hillary would need to get 55-58% of the vote in every remaining primary to have a reasonable expectation of taking the convention. It’s really not likely.
And I can’t see the superdels promoting Clinton over Obama unless he either implodes between now and the convention (very unlikely), or she gets better than 55% of the remaining vote – actually, make that 58% of the remaining vote.
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The Other Steve
It’s probably because a good portion of McCain supporters voted for Hillary.
They say at least 150,000 switched party affiliations, gotta figure at least half that are Dittoheads.
gypsy howell
If you want to see something funny, go take a look at CNN’s returns map. Ronpaul and Huckabee are each racking up double digits against McCain in almost ever county.
p.lukasiak
puhleez. Clinton has strong support in the black community — its just that Obama happens to be black. Educated voters aren’t going to vote for McCain, young voters aren’t going to vote for McCain, and independents are trening toward Clinton right now.
(look at her “independent” exit poll numbers….
gypsy howell
Guess I could at least read the thread before I wander off and come back to post something someone already said.
bostondreams
What I always find amusing is when Clinton supporters get upset over criticism of ‘the only successful Democratic president in decades,’ as if a Clinton Restoration would somehow restore the glory of the Democratic Party, and attacking Bill could ruin that.
If Ross Perot does not run in 1992, Bill Clinton is not President, and the man could not even break 50% of the vote in 1996. He also lost seats in Congress, his first significant attempt at reform, health care, was mismanaged by someone whose name escapes me, and he had to move to the right to get anything accomplished.
What makes Clinton supporters think that Clinton will be able to keep those oh so precious white working class voters? Aren’t those the Reagan Democrats? McCain seems far more appealing to this voters, with a far more admirable biography than Hillary Clinton, as well as more ‘experience’ and a less obviously hypocritical stance on ‘guns and religion.’
Hey, just saying. Clinton will be Dukakis all over again.
Oh wow, those Clintonian anti-Obama arguments just flow through you!
Z
p.luk,
Clinton HAD strong support in the black community. She burned those bridges.
Khalil Jilani
I think Norah O’Donnell is pregnant (there was a shot of her from the side). Her outfit threw me too but it makes more sense when you realize it’s maternity.
The Other Steve
Then why can’t Hillary win in the heartland of the country? She wins elitist states like Massachusetts or California, but nothing where it matters. Where Democrats need to win in November. States like Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, and so on.
Desmond
Since when do white working class voters win Democrats elections? You know who wins Democrats elections? African Americans. They vote reliably 80-90% Democrat, and no Democrat has a chance in hell of winning without them.
You say Obama can’t win white working class voters? I say that’s bullshit, but fine. Hillary can’t win black voters. And without them, she’s fucked in the general.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Short version: “Obama will never win over Clinton’s Democratic base, but Obama’s Democratic base will fall in line like good little soldiers.”
The Other Steve
Do we know who the father is? What about his countertops?
nightjar
If by chance she convinces the supers to give her the nomination, Obama will still have at least a half million more popular votes. When was the last time a dem prez candidate won the popular vote and had it overturned by a super delegation of five unelected judges. If it happens, say goodbye to any notion of a united dem party for the foreseeable future.
Desmond
Bullshit. Her “strong support” in the black community will evaporate if she steals the nomination from Obama.
D-Chance.
Clinton – 1,145,000+
Obama – 945,000+
difference – 200,000
It ain’t?
The Other Steve
8% is strong support?
Wow, someone better call up GW. If 8% is strong support, then 28% must make him Massively Popular.
John Cole
WTF- I have consistently predicted she would win by an 8-12 point margin, she wins by just that margin, and now I have random retards coming by and telling me to go fuck myself for.. Well, I don’t know, exactly. Maybe Mutaman is Norah O’Donnell’s prom date.
The numbers don’t change. Hillary’s campaign limps onward, but nothing changes. She isn’t one inch closer to the nomination. In fact, she is farther away from the nomination than she was this morning, because there are fewer delegates left in play in the remaining races.
Christ, arguing with Hillary supporters is like arguing about the war with Red State Bush dead-enders.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Somewhere, a RNC staffer is cackling at p.luk’s posts and preparing a set of “We Told You So” ads aimed for African-American communities.
myiq2xu
On the bright side for the Oborg, Obama showed that he can turn waffles into whine.
JGabriel
The Other Steve:
Not really. Pennsylvania, despite the deserved backwoods reputation of it’s rural areas, really isn’t Limbaugh territory – at least in influence, though I suppose his listenership is in PA is roughly equal to whatever the national average is.
I’d be surprised if 5000 of those party switchers were influenced by Rush.
I think the majority of those who switched party fall into two camps – roughly half are moderate former Republicans who are fed up with Bush and the conservative wing, and another half who figure the Republicans are losing the next election and that voting in the Dem primary is the best way for them to make their vote count or voice heard.
Also, keep in mind that PA is one of the few states where some old Dixiecrat style racism still exists – in the rural areas; where racism is more prevalent than sexism; and where there’s a large older population that fits Clinton’s base. That she’s winning with a 10% margin is no surprise and doesn’t need any Limbaugh associated conspiracy mongering to explain – nor does that really explain the McCain weakness either.
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myiq2xu
That’s just rude. Even I don’t act like that.
The Other Steve
I’m wondering if maybe it just wouldn’t be better if McCain won anyway. We’ll send Hillary up, she’ll lose in a massive landslide for the GOP. McCain will get stuck with a whole shitload of crap Bush is leaving behind. He’ll be forced to clean house, but ultimately takes the blame for it.
Then we run Obama in 2012.
Although it’d sure be nice to have that extra 4 years.
But if it’ll make p.luk happy to see Hillary lose in a landslide, you know, maybe I’m for that.
JGabriel
Just to clarify the above a little further, I’m from Pennsylvania. And fropm what I’ve seen, even most Republicans there think of Rush as an entertainer and an idiot blowhard.
They’re not taking their cues from Rush.
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Psycheout
Money well spent. You should send more. How much have you donated to McCain? It’s a good idea to hedge your bets.
You could instead burn your money. It would have the same impact as sending it to Hillary unless you just want to help her pay her campaign debts. How generous of you!
The division among lefties in the Democrat party is very delicious. Keep up the circular firing squad. Republicans can wait until you’ve exhausted your ammo and then pick off the survivors.
Election season is so fun!
Cain
Dude, they’ll vote for whoever is the democratic nominee, so they’ll vote for Hillary because she is the nominee. It’s not like they are going to vote for McCain.
To hillary supporters;
Good show, enjoy your night. We’ll ream you in the next contest, and the one after that, and the one after that. And at the end, after Obama wins, and you’re demoralized and sad at least you can treasure the 10% win over Obama for the next 8 years.
cain
cain
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Its not like they could stay home or anything.
Sincerely,
The Religious Right of 1992 and 1996
Z
I don’t know, Cain. She has so shamefully disrespected Obama, that I am not sure the black voters in my state will turn out for Hillary. They won’t vote for McCain, though. They just might stay home.
Desmond
Hillary and McCain are not the only options. Notice anything about African American turnout this primary season? It’s been setting records. Not gonna happen in November if Clinton wins the nomination. Many will stay home. It’ll matter in states like Michigan, Ohio, and yes, even Pennsylvania. Hillary is winning the rural areas in Pennsylvania, just like in Ohio. She won Pittsburgh, but she’s losing big in Philadelphia. Using the Clinton campaign’s own logic, how the hell can she win Pennsylvania without winning Philadelphia? Does anyone think that the gun-toting, religious white working class people of Pennsylvania are going to vote for the Democrat?
bostondreams
So what you are saying is that Obama supporters will vote for Clinton if she is the nominee, but Clinton supporters will not vote for Obama. Isn’t this a version of what you folks trashed Obama for saying a while ago? More importanly, doesn’t this indicate that these folks are NOT true Democrats?
Why should Obama’s base vote for Clinton rather than stay home. She has not done anything to reach out to them!
The Other Steve
This is what I’ve found so fascinating about this race. In the midwest plains and western states where there is a mostly white population, Obama is carrying with 60-70%. Then you go down deep south with a large AA population, and he wins. But in the border states, where this is a broader mix, there exists this huge bitterness about race.
plus C
Ron Paul’s still in the race…
Why can’t McCain close the deal?
empty
Hey guys, instead of cha-chinging for Obama and Hillary. How about sending your dollars here or here. Just a thought.
Desmond
What a lot of Hillaryites don’t want to admit is that black people are the base of the party. Without them, the Democrat loses. It’s that simple. You Hillary dead-enders want to take a chance and see what happens if she wins the nomination only by destroying the most promising black candidate ever, and basically stealing the nomination from him?
Psycheout
Drinking early, are we incontrolados?
myiq2xu
I won’t speak for others.
In November, I’m voting for the Democrat.
John S.
:: Vomits ::
She went on her 100% Republican Attack Tour — and it worked.
The Other Steve
I will not vote for Hitlery.
DougJ
Grow up, people — of course you’ll vote for Hillary. I know I will and I’m about as annoyed by her campaign as it is possible to be.
It’s not about us and our pathetic little sense of outrage, it’s about the good of the country.
DougJ
I mean assuming Hillary gets the nomination.
bostondreams
myiq, looking at the numbers out of Pennsylvania, you are one of the few sane ones on the Clinton side.
It’s an issue with Obama supporters, certainly, but not the horrifying degree it is with Clinton.
DougJ
I also think Hillary will get out if she loses both primaries on May 6.
John S.
After all the shit you’ve spewed about Obama you would still vote for him? That’s cool, because he’s the only Democrat left running against two Republicans.
L. Ron Obama
I don’t know. Hillary’s ravings about totally obliterating Iran were the first thing during this entire campaign that have made me seriously question her fitness to be president. I don’t want Krauthammer’s finger on the button.
electropop
i’m from central PA, and i’ve got to say the notion that tonight was a watershed moment for hillary is preposterous. as far as i can tell, over the last six weeks, she’s managed to lose 10% of her base, despite her campaign’s, and to a degree, the msm’s, attempt to drum up every aspect of obama’s existence that strikes fear in the hearts of ‘average americans’. many of your reagan dems are lost to mccain anyway. as well, lest us forget that obama was ahead, is still ahead, and will remain ahead for the duration of this race. let’s stop the squabbling and get behind the party. if that means disparaging either candidate for aiding the party’s destruction then so be it. as i see it, hillary falls into that camp right now, but if barack stoops to her level, we should hold him equally guilty. the fact is that obama will be the nominee, tonight was a loss for him, but certainly does not speak, ultimately, to his difficulty in the general. there’s a long way to go folks, as unfortunate as that may be. let’s get in the same boat and win.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
If I didn’t have doubts that Hillary would be Bush 2: Democratic Boogaloo, I would be right there with you. i.e. Her recent Bomb Iran comments. Sure, there’s the Supreme Court, but how many more Anthony Kennedys can we take when President Hillary triangulates her way past the Republican filibuster?
The Other Steve
I’m serious. I want a Democrat in the white house, not another Republican.
I may just throw my vote away for Nader, as between Clinton and McCain it really doesn’t matter.
DougJ
That’s total bullshit and you know it.
Llelldorin
To be fair, the whole term “triangulation” was based on her husband’s presidency, and that got us Breyer and Ginsburg, not Kennedy.
If Hillary somehow gets the nomination through some miracle of superdelegate gamesmanship, I’ll vote for her in November. I’ll be sad to do so–I’d vastly prefer Obama–but the country simply can’t take four more years of this.
Z
AA are not the Democratic party. They are an important part of it. You can’t win with out them. But you can’t win without other large chunks of the Democratic coalition.
Zuzu
I hope to God you’re in a blue state.
Delia
I have to say, that bullshit about obliterating Iran has brought me pretty near to thinking I could never vote for her, and if she’s the nominee I’ll write in Chuckie the Clown or Bilbo Baggins or something. I don’t think there’s been such an irresponsible set of leaders or prospective leaders (counting McCain) of a major nation since Kaiser Wilhelm in Germany. And that didn’t end well.
DougJ
Agreed. It’s really just the Kennedies.
The Other Steve
Other than abortion, how do they differ?
She ranted about nuking Iran, this past week she’s basically endorsed the McInsane economic policy. Anything?
Cain
Dude, they’ll vote for whoever is the democratic nominee, so they’ll vote for Hillary because she is the nominee. It’s not like they are going to vote for McCain.
To hillary supporters;
Good show, enjoy your night. We’ll ream you in the next contest, and the one after that, and the one after that. And at the end, after Obama wins, and you’re demoralized and sad at least you can treasure the 10% win over Obama for the next 8 years.
cain
DougJ
I’m concerned about the company Bilbo keeps. When that footage of the riddle game with creepy Gollum hits YouTube, Bilbo will be toast.
The Other Steve
It’s solid blue if Obama is the nominee, otherwise it’s purple.
Zuzu
Well, of course he didn’t have Scaife campaigning FOR him.
kwAwk
I have to say I’m having a good ole time tonight reading all of the sour grapes from the Obamites.
But as to the statement that keeps getting repeated that Clinton can’t appeal to working class blacks, that is something that should just not be posted. Its no secret that Obama is getting 90+% of the black vote because he is black. I can understand why this is happening, but if Obama were simply getting 65% of the black vote like Hillary is getting 65% of the women’s vote, Hillary would be walking away from with this election. And don’t pretend if Obama wasn’t black or wasn’t in the race blacks wouldn’t be lining up behind Hillary in a landslide.
And quit whining about Rush and Republican crossovers, according to MSNBC earlier this evening exit polls showed that Obama won the Repub crossover vote.
Lastly, a little hint for all of the Obamaites here. The reason that Obama can’t connect with working class voters making less than $50k is that life is hard for working people making less than $50k. They are used to fighting for everything they have and they want somebody as a leader who is willing to fight with them. Not engage them about platitudes of hope and respecting and enacting Republican agenda items.
Delia
Okay, here some solid, useful preliminary delegate counts from NBC. It appears nothing has really changed.
Now back to our regularly scheduled ranting.
Zuzu
So in other words you wouldn’t mind seeing your state go red because of your fit of pique.
Just like those oh-so-righteous Nader voters in Florida 2000.
Turned out there really WAS a difference between Gore and GWB.
Psycheout
Absolutely. And a watershed moment for President McCain.
Although President Brownback would be ideal, a Muslim President Obama or Feminazi President Clinton (shudder) would be a total disaster for America, the land that I love.
And just when the Supreme Court was tipping in the right direction.
kwAwk
Oh, and to all of the Obamaites a question for you. If Iran were to conduct an unprovoked nuclear strike on Israel, what would be Obama response? Wag his finger in their face and tell them that he hopes they would change their behavior and not do that again?
Evilbeard
If Hillary is the nominee, I will vote for her. I’ll be angry about it but honestly she is better than McCain.
Zuzu
Really, Psyche, is that the ONLY way you can drive traffic to your site? To get people to click on it just to find out if you’re a parody of a wingnut?
Evilbeard
Kwawk,
I don’t think it would be to condemn an entire population to death.
Zuzu
By which time all nine USSC justices will be Scalia clones.
And oh, four or five thousand more troops have died.
Delia
No shit, Sherlock. That’s why they need to stop voting for creeps like George Bush, who rant on about GUNS AND RELIGION, then always proceed to rob them blind. Rich girls who try to prove they’re regular folks by bellying up to the bar don’t strike me as a whole lot better.
JGabriel
Zuzu:
Well, going to Psycheout’s site really won’t help them any.
I’ve checked it out, and I *still* can’t tell if it’s parody or not. Which means he’s either *too* brilliant a parodist, or, if he’s wingnut… Jaysus.
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Doug H. (Fausto no more)
It couldn’t have anything to do with Hillary and her supporters trashing the Great Black Hope, making his preacher a national pariah, saying AA votes don’t matter, and then say you’ll vote for us anyways otherwise Massa Republican will throw you back in the field. No, not at all.
Pride: What a concept.
Right, they’re voting for the candidate who fought the AUMF- er- fought Kyl-Lieberman- uh- fought torture and Scalito and BOMB IRAN and McCain’s economic plans…
The only thing Hillary’s fighting for is the election. Everything else is negotiable.
The Other Steve
And voting for Hillary will change this how, exactly?
The Other Steve
I don’t see why it should matter. After all my vote doesn’t count. Hell, my whole state doesn’t count.
Telling people to fuck off and die just isn’t a winning strategy in the long run. I hope it doesn’t come down to this, but if Hillary is the nominee our loss is likely going to be worse than Mondale.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
What would be Hillary’s response be if aliens landed in Milwaukee? Or if Hu Jintao was revealed to be an evil maniac who will unleash sharks with lasers on their heads if the world doesn’t give him one million dollars? Or if the Clippers won the NBA Finals? They’re all as relevant a scenario as ‘Iran nuking Israel’.
Off of the top of my head, though, in the one in eleventy billion chance that the Iranian leadership is that cuckoo for cocoa puffs, my vote would be for ‘Sit back and watch Israel make every Iranian leadership bunker glow in the dark.’
But thanks anyways for playing the fear game. Karl Rove approves.
Zuzu
Do you honestly think she’s going to appoint anti-choice justices?
And unlike the GOP candidate, doesn’t campaign on an open-ended occupation of Iraq; in fact I’m pretty sure she’s campaigned on getting them out of there.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Pro-choice / anti-choice is so 20th century. Will she appoint anti-torture / pro-civil liberties is my question.
Zuzu
I thought you said it would be purple if HRC is the nominee. Which means, it seems to me, that your vote does count in giving your state to the Dems.
I don’t know why your state wouldn’t count, but then I don’t know what state you’re in. On the other hand, GWB “won” in 2000 by a total of 3 electoral votes.
L. Ron Obama
kwAwk: You may feel that the genocide of 30 to 60 million people, a northern hemisphere cooling of 10 degrees and a possible global escalation due to fallout or stray bombs is something to be thrown about casually, but I don’t. Obama said we will respond appropriately (the Iranian government could be completely destroyed conventionally). Clinton said we will “obliterate” them.
Ultimately, it probably doesn’t matter. We wouldn’t get the chance to strike, as there wouldn’t be any targets left after Israel threw all its nukes in the air. So, since this situation is nonsensical, Clinton didn’t have to make such a morally repugnant statement in the first place.
Now, get the US and Israel to sign a defense treaty and Israel to relinquish ALL of its nuclear weapons, and give the US complete control over Israeli foreign policy, and we might talk about extending the US nuclear umbrella to Israel.
Zuzu
That is a good question.
Then of course there’s always the question of who becomes AG.
The Other Steve
I’m not a single issue abortion-voter.
The only thing I care about is economy, national security, and foreign policy, and in those areas Hillary is no different than McCain.
Oh come on, you didn’t actually believe that shit she was spewing?
She’s a total mental midget on issues of national security and foreign policy. She’ll immediately cave into any criticism coming from pundits in the beltway and we’ll just get more Bush.
You guys think I’m stupid. Her foreign policy position is the same as McCain. Don’t talk to bad people, nuke Iran, keep the boycotts that don’t work in place. Same old, same old weak childish foreign policy.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Last note before I head off to bed, Intrade has Obama down by 0.1, Clinton up by 0.8. Not sure if their markets are open overnight or what but that’s what they’re showing.
The Other Steve
Seems to me it’d be better to be proactive than reactive. How about we work to make sure Iran doesn’t have a nuke, and most certianly doesn’t fire it?
Oh no! Oh my God! you mean we might actually have to do some work? Ridiculous! It’s easier to fight Strawmen.
Zuzu
Hmm, make that 4 electoral votes. I forgot that the faithless elector from DC didn’t switch votes, but abstained.
Delia
What an ass. Whatever gave you the idea that the Iranian government, whatever its shortcomings, is irrational? If they are trying to acquire an nuclear weapon (and remember, that’s a big if, because our own government’s NIE said they were NOT), and if, at some point some number of years down the line, they do build a weapon, it will be small, primitive, and far inferior in number and quality to THE MANY NUKES THAT ISRAEL ALREADY POSSESSES FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF DEFENDING ITSELF AGAINST THIS VERY POSSIBILITY, YOU IDIOT!!!!
So Iran would indeed be massively insane to undertake such a course. Indeed, its rational course vis a vis Israel is to do what it has already been doing, which is to give aid and comfort to Shi’ite groups like Hezbollah (NOT Al Qaida which is a sworn enemy of all Shi’ites, despite McCain’s mental confusion). This policy (which I’m not advocating, mind you; I’m just pointing out that’s it’s a much more rational policy choice on the part of Iran) operates at a much lower grade yet does more damage to Israel in the long run than a direct confrontation, which they know they would lose.
You see, other people in the world think through their options. They don’t just go rushing off to war with the highest power weapon they can find and hope they can blow the other guy out of the way first. They think through their strategy, and they don’t pick a fight they can’t win. We used to be like that a long time ago. Until stupid yahoos like you took over. Now we’re in a rush to the bottom.
firebrand
Christ. The primary is coming here. To Indiana. To MY state. 2 more weeks of this endless primary, and it’ll be HERE that the battle is really waged. Even though I live in a state that, this November, is 100% sure to go for McCain no matter who the Democratic nominee is. There’s no way I can avoid it.
Oh FUCK ME.
The Other Steve
You’ll have to ask Hillary Clinton, she’s the one who made the comment.
Soylent Green
Psychout, there are times when your cutesy little spoof is just as tiresome as when comics like Jim Carrey do talk shows. The poor bastard can’t ever step away from his look at me, I’m a funny guy, please love me shtick and can’t ever let anyone see him as a real person. It’s sad, really.
This is one of those times.
wasabi gasp
I won’t vote for Hillary, either. There’s no way I’m gonna put on my pants and drive down the road for that.
The Other Steve
They got us to invade Iraq and remove Hussein for them. Didn’t even need to fire a gun, did they.
I’d say they’re a lot smarter than people are giving them credit for. A lot smarter.
Zuzu
I didn’t imply you were. But you said there was no difference between HRC and McCain, and that is but one example of a huge difference in their prospective administrations. And as Doug H. points out, the Scalia agenda is not just applicable to abortion.
So, assuming you might actually care about the makeup of the USSC, that is certainly one thing you might consider before throwing your vote away.
As to the “mental midget” foreign policy stuff, who knows … I do know what they’re promising and I choose almost any unknown quantity or even insincere promises over McCain’s 100% certainty of more war.
And of course she’d have a Dem Congress to keep her straight.
I don’t think you’re stupid at all. That’s why I’m surprised at your attitude.
Zuzu
I didn’t mean to imply you were.
The Other Steve
Yet that is how you are treating me, by claiming my vote doesn’t count, my opinion doesn’t count, fuck off and die because you don’t have any choice come november. I have to supposedly vote for Hillary.
Even though there is no difference between her and McCain.
It’s just baffling. Maybe you should go back and rethink this arrogant elitist attitude of yours. It’s this attitude which has caused the Democratic party to lose so many elections, and yet you want to embrace it yet again in this cycle.
For now, I have to go to sleep.
Martin
For those that think the primary is a reflection on the GE, Hillary’s base has turned out to be the over 65 set. That basically puts her fighting a land war with McCain for the Matlock crowd. I’m predicting all McCain has to do is tell the story of how he helped Arizona earn statehood and reminisce about standing in line to get government cheese and he’ll be a lock.
Of course, Obama could just promise to repeal sales tax on Fixadent and threaten to blow up all those japs and their hippie fucking hybrid cars like Clinton basically just did and sweep the remaining states (he might need to repeal the incest laws for the WV and KY vote) but he can win without selling his soul. It’ll just take a little longer.
firebrand
Just a little correction here, Zuzu. With Hillary Clinton at the top of the Dem ticket, watch the Dem Congress disappear and get replaced with a solidly Republican one. That’s one talent of the Clintons that hasn’t changed at all since the ’90s.
Zuzu
I just pointed out a big difference. Sorry you don’t agree.
As to the rest, yeah, I suggest you get a good nap.
person of choler
Don’t worry, as prophesied Obama will rise again on the third day and ascend to the White House.
Zuzu
I suppose that’s possible. I’m assuming people will want to send back a Dem Congress for the same reasons they would vote in a Dem President.
Psycheout
The only reason I comment about the issues of the day on any blog, including this one, is to drive traffic to my site so people will laugh and throw garbage my way. You, fool, are an idiot. Stay away from B4B, you wouldn’t be worth our time.
Okay, just kidding. Click on my name to get to my site. Please? Unless you do the blog I write for will whither on the vine. If it weren’t for you… whatever.
Moron.
firebrand
The same way they wanted to in 1994, right? Oh wait…
Zuzu
Okay !
Martin
Calm down guys. You’re arguing angels on a pin. Clinton doesn’t have the headroom to win this. She picked up at best 11 delegates. She’s down by 120ish after tonight. The remaining contests are at best a wash for her delegate-wise. Big margins in WV and KY will be balanced out by a larger delegate haul for Obama out of NC being a larger state. That leaves her making up that gap in the supers. There’s 304 uncommitted. She needs 210 of them. While not impossible, she’s done nothing but lose superdelegates since Iowa. IN and NC will probably not help her argument.
I know there are some holding out hope for MI/FL, but really, if something was going to happen there it would have happened. It’ll be up to the nominee to decide how to deal with those delegates. The DNC won that fight as well they should have.
Regardless, if Clinton does win, I’ll vote for her without hesitation. At worst her Iran policies are no crazier than McCains, which is to say they are completely crazy, but they are equally completely crazy.
If this does come down to a Clinton victory by seating FL/MI or over some ‘popular vote’ argument, we can probably forget about winning in November. The AA community will probably check out of this election, seeing a rules change as an injustice against their preferred candidate. They will invest FAR more than any of us here are threatening to do to correct that injustice. Hillary needs to win this under the understood rules.
Conservatively Liberal
PA SoS has the count at 54.3/45.7 for an 8.6% win for Hillary. That’s with 9,162 out of 9,263 districts reporting, with a delegate count (so far, as per Kos) of 52/46.
Lots of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Hillary is broke, she has two weeks to enjoy her win before she gets her ass handed to her in NC, and IN looks pretty even right now. In other words, nothing has changed with this latest vote except for the fact that Hillary is deeper in debt for a little gain.
She needed a big win, and Obama denied her that. The wife and I each sent another $50 tonight, and out daughter will give another $50 tomorrow when she sobers up from her first night of legal drinking and debauchery with her Mom and friends…lol
Calouste
Hillary will appoint pro-Hillary judges, all other considerations, as she would say, “don’t matter”.
Andrei
Not me.
I’ve said it before plenty of times: I won’t vote more of the same bullshit from the Bush/Clinton families. I will not vote for the continuation of the same petty politics that have been at play since I’ve been to allowed to vote. I will not vote for an implied oligarchy where each side uses the other to gain power at the expense of everyone around them and at the expense of our country.
The Clinton presidency? You mean the guy who almost LOST but was saved by that little fella, the really rich one, who kept trying to warn us about how much bullshit NAFTA was? (And the little crazy dude turned out to be right, go figure.) The Clinton presidency? The guy who inspired so much vitriol into the Religious Right they demolished him and the rest of the Democrats in 94 and basically set the country down a course of the most insanely inept and petty politics we’ve ever seen in a time peace, al of which ultimately laid the foundation that made Bush II even possible?
If Clinton becomes the nominee, the Democratic Party can lay on the sleaze for the Rovian 2% with some other swing voter. I will write in Obama and be done with it. If you think the Supreme Court is *that* important, then *you* Clinton supporters hold your nose, demand that Hilary drop the petty bullshit she’s been playing the last two months, and get Obama as the nominee. Otherwise, you are all on your own. I’m not budging on this point.
I hold no party loyalties. I’m a registered independent. I don’t use my vote to support my home team like this is some game of football. And this time around, I will not hold my nose for anyone. I refuse to be party to the same crap those in the GOP were party too by voting for that mental midget, Dubya. By voting for “their side.”
You’re just being played by those in the inner circles in Washington. A Clinton presidency would be disastrous for this country at this stage of our history. Not in the same way as Dubya, but equally as disastrous. Having both her and Bill back in the White House is begging for 1998 all over again.
Wake the fuck up already. As Americans it’s time to move past the whole lot of them. I’m almost 40 now, and since I’ve been allowe to vote, there’s been a Bush or a Clinton in the White House.
ENOUGH.
If you want to see independent, younger, well educated and high earning progressive voters like me vote Democrat this Fall, do what you can to make Obama the nominee. Otherwise, too fucking bad. No one lays a guilt trip on me or tells me what to do with my vote. It’s mine, and I stick to principles at all times, not just when they are convenient.
I won’t support more the same bullshit from the Bush/Clinton families. I’m done with both of them.
Period.
(And FWIW, I honestly think Obama will be the nominee, which makes this whole Clinton teeth gnashing that much more annoying to endure.)
TenguPhule
Is it fucking September yet?
Zuzu
Well I guess that was aimed at me since I’m the one who brought up the USSC. But I’m not a “Clinton supporter,” so you can save your oversimplification for someone else.
myiq2xu
It looks like you’re gonna be on your own. Your ego is too big for the rest of us.
Maybe you should start your own party and see how many people are eager to join up with you.
Pablo
Remember that Seinfeld episode where his date had “man hands”?
Well I couldn’t keep my eyes off Norah’s legs. Looks like she works on the docks!
Head shots onlY!
TenguPhule
Be sure to let us know how that works out for you, Hillary.
PeterJ
Perot wasn’t a spoiler canidate in 1992 or 1996, check the exit polls. If you want a real spoiler candidate, then Nader in 2000 is your guy.
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The question now is if Clinton will be able to close the gap in North Carolina, like Obama did in Pennsylvania. Will she be able to grow her lead or is she only capable of slowing down her losses?
Obama is the candidate gaining votes.
scrutinizer
As of 0645 EDT, CNN shows Clinton ahead of Obama by 10%, but using their own numbers, the spread is 9.3%. What’s up with that?
Sent some more money to the MUP to celebrate Clinton’s gain of a handful of delegates, and have already voted in NC for the MUP. We’ll get her gains in PA back in a few weeks.
The world goes on.
chopper
yeah, that’s why he won states like virginia and wisconsin, cause he can’t connect with white working-class folks.
Krista
Basic subtraction is hard, isn’t it myiq?
According to the Pennsylvania Dept of State, with 99.07% reporting, it’s Clinton 54.3% vs. Obama 45.8%
Hm…let’s see…carry the two…
That’s 8.5%
Why can’t Hillary close the deal, myiq? I mean, a black junior senator from Illinois — she should have mopped the floor with him months ago! If she can’t close the deal against a n00b like Obama, does she REALLY stand any sort of chance against the Republican Attack Machine(tm)?
Notorious P.A.T.
What’s this “Obama can’t win working-class white voters” nonsense? Isn’t Iowa full of people like that?
Count me among those people who will not vote for Clinton in november. Cast my ballot for someone whose only path to the nomination is getting superdelegates to throw out the decision of voters? No f**king way.
John S.
It’s a loss. For the Democratic party.
Exit polling from both battleground states Obama has lost have shown that a lot of Hillary’s winning margin came from whites who won’t vote for the black guy. When 24% of Dems in OH and nearly 20% of voters in PA say that ‘race matters’, and more than half of them (9/10 in OH, 6/10 in PA) won’t vote for Obama in the general election, it shows there is still a racist element still gnawing at the underbelly of the party.
Obama needs to find a way to win without these people, and I would be happy to see them purged from the party’s support once and for all.
That Hillary actively courts this vote and counts it amongst her support doesn’t make her a racist, though. It just makes her an opportunist that will do whatever it takes to win.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Today’s fun fact: Obama has a 130 delegate lead over Clinton. That includes pledged and super delegates. There are 307 uncommitted superdelegates left. Assuming the pledged delegate lead remains the same through the remaining primaries, Clinton would still have to win the remaining superdelegates by a 219 to 88 margin to win the nomination.
Soylent Green
Which will be the big unknown in how the general turns out. I would posit that there are people in both parties who would not vote to put a black in the WH under any circumstances, but who would never admit this fact to anyone — not to pollsters, coworkers, friends, or even spouses. They will keep this secret right up until they step into the booth.
I don’t know how many such people there are, but I think the meme that Obama is unelectable is in part a coded message used to remind these folks where they really stand.
Z
This whole thing is so bad, because AA voters will check out of this race if she wins. It didn’t have to be this way. But to solidify the redneck and older voter block, her campaign brought race into it. From the remarks in SC to the attacks surrounding Rev. Wright to the superfluous references to Farrakan in the debate, she has deliberately appealed to white fears about race. That was a huge mistake. She has single-handedly split one of the strongest Democratic coalitions.
I know there are plenty of people out their who wonder if the rage at Hillary is because of her gender. Its not. It is because we have supported and defended the Clinton’s for years, and now we realize we’ve been nurturing a viper. We feel betrayed.
EnderWiggin
Right. In Hillary Fantasy Land.
Here in the real world, Rudy decided that he couldn’t win Moynihan’s seat, since he was busy publicly cheating on his wife. He ditched, and the NY GOP could only come up with a complete loser like Lazio to run against her.
She won by a 12% margin in a state that went to Gore with a 25% margin. Of course, I am sure that is a reflection on some evil scheme of Gore’s to make her look bad.
Bonus Points: That was the fun campaign that Hillary kissed Suha Arafat on the cheek at an event. She did later say she denounced her, but she has never rejected her. WHAT DOES HILLARY HAVE TO HIDE !!!111!!
EnderWiggin
Reminds me of a football game, when you get to see a running back doing a dance after a touchdown in the forth quarter, while his team is down 28-13.
Scoreboard, dumbass. Look at the Scoreboard.
jj
This is absolutely correct.
Hillary is going to shoot a massive hole in the Democratic party ship if she somehow finagles the nomination through backroom superdelegate dealings.
IF this happens, the party will watch in horror as perhaps as much as half of the only constituency that has cosistently supported it by 90% margins, breaks ranks and goes independent in future presidential elections.
Downticket races are going to get ugly as well – any office holding super that supports Hillary IS going to be challenged in the next cycle, no matter how esteemed/incumbent/established they happen to be.
The way I see it, Hillary’s pandering to
– a regional subset of working class whites with well known race issues and who have proven their fickle nature in every single election cycle since 1980
AND
– the over 65 crowd
may be good tactics for short term primary wins, but will increase the risk of long term losses for Democratic party.
Non-racist white working class, educated, younger and black Democratic voters are not going to take this shit laying down.
Personally, I’m still not decided what I’m going to do if Hillary gets the nom.
Her, threatening to obliterate Iran is just one more reason for me to write-in Obama, and hunker down for 4 years as the dummies for whom the choice is not obvious (that would be McCain and Clinton voters) are forced to deal with what will certainly be the harsh consequences of voting “stupid and racist” in YET ANOTHER presidential election.
jj
I meant “consistently”
Andrei
As we’ve all seen, exit polls aren’t a measure of he vote count. Further, Perot in the race undoubtedly hurt the GOP far more than the Dems and caused Bush I to retarget his campaign in such a way that Clinton was able to get just enough of the vote to win. Remember in 92, Clinton won without a clear majority.
Perot was a spoiler candidate. So was Nader, although I would agree that Nader did it in a more directly measurable way.
Andrei
That’s classic. You are indeed even more intellectually dishonest than Darrell. I never thought I’d see the day.
PeterJ
I wouldn’t judge exit polls on this year’s democratic primary.
In what way did Bush retarget his campaign?
Also, check out the Fair Votes analysis of the election results.
Give me something that shows that Perot spoiled the 1992 election for Bush, other than your own view.
kwAwk
Delia Says:
life is hard for working people making less than $50k. They are used to fighting for everything they have and they want somebody as a leader who is willing to fight with them. Not engage them about platitudes of hope and respecting and enacting Republican agenda items.
No shit, Sherlock. That’s why they need to stop voting for creeps like George Bush, who rant on about GUNS AND RELIGION, then always proceed to rob them blind. Rich girls who try to prove they’re regular folks by bellying up to the bar don’t strike me as a whole lot better.
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What about rich boys who try to prove they’re regular folks by waddling into a bowling alley and testing out the gutters?
jj
Erm,
Barak Obama grew up rich?
That’s a laff.
Tax Analyst
Easily the best comment in this thread.
OK, now I’ll throw in another bad sports analogy:
Team Hillary made up 9 or 10 points in the third quarter. They now only trail by 24 points going into the 4th. Her starters have played the entire game and her reserves have not played well this season.
I think the only way HRC could win the Democratic nomination (without shenanigans that would obliterate any chance to beat McCain in November) would be to get HER campaign team in charge of Obama’s campaign. They seem quite adroit at turning large leads into small or non-existent ones. Indeed, one of the clearer points of differentiation between HRC and Obama are in the choices they have made in who and how their campaigns were/are to be run. These are “Executive” decisions and it’s really hard to see any way to give Hillary even a “Courtesy C” grade in this area. Think “D-” or “F”.
I’d give Obama about a “B” to “B+” (I use a grading scale from the 50’s & 60’s, not the grade-inflated ones of later years).
Although I don’t want to get over-confident, it’s interesting to note that McCain got less than 75% in the PA primary – even though he was really the only candidate running on the GOP side. Even allowing for the softball treatment he is receiving from the media I think the GE campaign will expose enough of his weaknesses and inadequacies to pull enough voters together to defeat him. One thing I am sure of is that it probably won’t be easy and it sure won’t be pretty.
chopper
QotD, hands down.