Now that this really is over, this is what the Clinton/Obama factions of the party are going to look like over the next few weeks as they come back together:
Thank god this is over.
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Now that this really is over, this is what the Clinton/Obama factions of the party are going to look like over the next few weeks as they come back together:
Thank god this is over.
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drag0n
Thank god it’s not only Clinton who can play dirty politics. ALL HAIL THE CHICAGO MACHINE!
word is Hillary has cancelled all her public appearances tomorrow.
Chicago put a stake in her!
Porco Rosso
Is that why Hillary wanted to drop the cigarette tax?
Desmond
You got to wonder if this is really it. Russert just said the race was over. And now with Hillary cancelling all scheduled appearances tomorrow…
DFD
An insider’s view of the Clinton machine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdE_jlyRndw
Rick Taylor
Hillary’s victory speech in Indiana can be seen here for those who missed it; unfortunately it’s missing the ending and the references to Michigan and Florida. Obama’s speech can be seen here.
Billy K
From Hillaryis44,
It has begun:
Fucking lunatics..
MBL
Both Russert and Drudge have now declared Obama the nominee. Honestly? I’m willing to let them be right on that one. ;-)
Billy K
And more lunacy…
Martin
From Ambinder:
That’s the end. Let’s put all energy on McCain.
D0n Camillo
I am so looking forward to watching McCain and the entire GOP wind up with pony hoof prints on their foreheads. Thank God this is finally over! Well done Barack! I hope Hillary can be a good sport about this. If she throws all her energy in to getting Senator Obama elected she will go a long way towards undoing the bad feelings she’s created in the last 8 weeks or so.
SamFromUtah
I, and many of my family and friends and people that I have called, will deliver Senator McCain a thing only of dreams: a unanimous sweeping Republican victory in November…
Well, they’re right about that being a thing only of dreams.
KRK
Al Giordano at The Field sums up the night nicely:
Turns out that becoming the “All Jeremiah Wright – All the Time” channel didn’t really pan out like they expected.
MBL
Unanimous? Good luck.
Davis X. Machina
It’s like none of those people ever lost an election.
I’ve been a state convention delegate for Jerry Brown/Uncommitted & Paul Tsongas. I’ve worked on the Mo Udall and Ted Kennedy campaigns as a lad.
Hell, my mom said that at the age of 4 I stomped around the living room during the 1960 singing the jingle from the Stuart Symington campaign. In Boston. In a Catholic house.
These things happen.
firebrand
At least the Hillaryis44 people are admitting that they’re really Republicans. Some honestly coming out of them for a change.
Billy K
WHY CAN’T OBAMA CLOSE THE DE-
oh wait…
The Other Steve
Ok… looks like the numbers aren’t going to close up. 99% reporting and it’s still around 20k votes seperating.
Clinton people will go into their “a win is a win” schtick.
But this seriously cripples clinton’s chances.
PeterJ
My guess is that there is a number of republicans on TalkLeft, TaylorMarsh, Hillaryis44 and NoQuarters, and the rest of the pro Hillary blogs. Now that Clinton is no longer any use for them they will try to get the readers to vote for McCain. Also, there are some rather stupid people there too.
firebrand
Damn. Hillary’s back up to about 22,000 with 99% of precincts reporting. Oh well. Doesn’t change the fact that Lake County and the state of Indiana was the game-changer. Wooo! IN!
KRK
Seriously, though. Isn’t that site like the same 50 people circle jerking in comment threads? Is that really a threat? Even if you add up all the netroots who’ll go to their deathbeds whispering yes…she…will…, what small fraction of voters are we talking about?
Mary
CNN called IN for Clinton, but still … she’s toast.
MBL
I’m in Indiana, and I have NEVER felt so happy about losing.
That said, I have to be up for work in… Christ, I don’t want to do that math. Going to bed now, kids.
Rick Taylor
No Quarter has a transcript of Clinton’s Indiana speech.
L. Ron Obama
I’ll believe it’s over when I hear it direct from Hillary.
D0n Camillo
If she needs to save face, fine. But she’d better realize that it’s over and act accordingly. Her Obama kneecapping days are over. She is going to have to work at healing the divisions she helped open in the last few weeks if she wants to have any sort of future in Democratic politics.
Soylent Green
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
I’ve been checking out the comments at Marsh and 44 and NoQ. The folks dressed from head to toe in aluminum foil are either admitting no setback whatsoever or raging that the Lake County returns are fake and the fix was in.
Hillary will bow out no sooner than the 20th in Kentucky, June 3 at the latest. She will already be thinking ahead to her next Senate run, which will be in jeopardy.
nightjar
When your Queen to be is awaiting Coronation, it’s got to hurt when you learn she’s only Cinderella and it’s damn near midnight.
Tattoosydney
While I try to resist quoting more Hillaryis44 rubbish, I find it hard not to.
My favourite so far:
Hmmm. I think Fox already has all of the talking points they need (although they don’t seem to be working).
Davis X. Machina
There’s always the Lieberman-independent-barony route, or Bull-Moose-ism.
Watch for sudden upticks in TR references.
Ben
I’ll admit I don’t get it. It’s been clear for a while that Hillary intends to stick around until mathematically eliminated (and maybe longer), even though the delegate lead has long been nearly insurmountable. So unless a massive number of superdelegates declare support for Obama in the near future, I see little reason to think this is any more over than it was a month ago. She won’t win, of course, but that won’t stop her from bloodying Obama up until the convention.
I hope I’m wrong about this.
Chuck Butcher
A bit of a miss on NC
I thought I’d do a better prediction on NC, 14 vs my 9 is more than a bit bad.
cbear
This primariented stuff is hard work.
L. Ron Obama
Remember when she closed the Feb 22 debate with “It’s been an honor”, and everyone proclaimed it a valedictory and you felt some sympathy for her, and then she stabbed Obama repeatedly in the gut with a sharpened toothbrush for over two months?
That’s why all this talk of “over” is premature and wishful thinking. I hope to God you’re right.
drag0n
THE RACE IS NOT OVER FOR THE PRESS
It is over for us tho. That was a concession speech. If she keeps fighting it is just to keep Democrats in the press.
As long as she stops attacking Obama we need to leave her alone….
Davis X. Machina
If she stops attacking Obama, she’ll disappear.
Na Ga Ha Pen.
cbear
g’nite Grandpa
g’nite myiq
g’nite Mary Ellen
g’nite phuk
g’nite John-Boy
The Grand Panjandrum
You are. MONEY. She may not want to quite but her major funders will no longer be bundling those donations for her. Tonights result will force her funding sources to take a good hard look at Clinton’s chances of prevailing. They are much closer to zero tonight than they were this morning.
She’ll stay in but probably won’t campaign much now.
Jim
Sean Hannity is the world’s greatest putz. You can tell he is so desperate to bring Obama down. He is pushing the Ayers thing so damn hard, inflating the relationship between Obama and Ayers, and egging Rove into agreeing with him (which Karl is all to happy to do).
Oh, and the Talk Left folks are beyond suicidal. I hadn’t realized that Obama was the spawn of Satan. Guess I’m going to have to change my candidate. Fucking nitwits.
Rick Taylor
And a youtube of the second part of Hillary’s victory speech in Indiana.
Brachiator
Senator Clinton may have set up her own exit strategy.
Al Gore, interviewed on the NPR program “Fresh Air,” was asked what he thought about Hillary Clinton’s gas tax holiday proposal. While he tried to be as diplomatic as possible, and offered a more nuanced proposal related to energy taxes, it was clear that his answer categorically excluded Senator Clinton’s idea, and also implied that it was environmentally irresponsible.
Now, if some reporter asks her straight out what she has to say about Gore’s lack of support for her gas tax plan, would she have the cojones to dismiss him as another out-of-touch elitist? Such a stance would also imply that he was wrong about climate change, him being an elitist and all.
I’m not sure that she realizes the corner she has backed herself into.
By the way, I think that Gore also strongly implied during the interview that the appropriate challenger would “know when it was time to go,” well befoe the convention, even though he declined to formally endorse anyone.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
net result for the night:
In NC, Hillary’s pickup truck got ticketed, towed and sent to the crusher.
In IN, She hangs on by a gas cap and pump fumes.
It’s over.
It’s really, really over.
Even the horse-race obsessed media idiots aren’t trying to pretend otherwise.
Poblano at fivethirtyeight puts it into perspective:
It may take a week or two for it to sink in, what a historic night this was.
KRK
And the eyes of the nation turn to West Virginia….
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Just so no one misunderstands my last comment, IMHO the intersection of “horse-race obsessed media idiots” and Poblano equals the null set.
NR
Chris Bowers said it best tonight:
Soylent Green
Where Cole casts the deciding vote. That one-vote margin determines whether this continues.
Darkness
Oh, toss the girl a supreme court nomination and be done with it.
Heads will explode. Deserving heads.
r€nato
Really? I’d be willing to lend a hand.
Any Democrat who says they’ll vote for McCain before they’ll vote for Obama is an idiot, a retard, as bad as Lieberman.
Look at the Supreme Court and tell me you’d rather have McCain appointing the next 2 or 3 justices, rather than a Democrat. Say that with a straight face.
I’m pretty sure these folks will come home by November if not sooner, but geez… the tantrums are not very becoming of alleged ‘adults’.
John Cole
I can’t sleep, I am so excited.
John +2 (and wine at 1:30 sucks)
firebrand
There’s one thing to remember about all of this, people. Remember in all those horror films where the good guy manages to kill the evil slasher, and then he/she creeps up on the bad guy to see if he/she is dead, and the bad guy jumps up for one last attack? THAT is where we are now. Take nothing for granted here, everyone. I’m only going to breathe a sigh of relief once Hillary’s given an official concession speech.
Ninerdave
NBC calls it for Hillary.
Cain
Looks like kos linked to BJ then crashed it. oops! :-)
cain
Ninerdave
Just starting at 1:30? Yeah. That sucks. I’d recommend NyQuil.
John Cole
http://hillaryis404.org/
Awesome on so many levels.
r€nato
f’in brilliant.
isit2009yet
Beautiful…
myiq2xu
Obama said Indiana was the tiebreaker. He lost.
When will he be giving his concession speech?
BTW – Nighty-nite cbear!
r€nato
it kinda figures that someone who can’t do the math on the gas tax holiday, also can’t do the math on the delegate count.
Ninerdave
Since Myiq and Pluk come and shit all over threads here I thought I’d return the favor.
Is it just me, or are the Hillary sites locked down pretty hard. I’ve been banned from TalkLeft within 10 minutes, Hillaryis44 requires an account AND they moderate comments. Taylor Marsh wants an account and I know MyDD bans. This is what I’d expect from RedState, not really a Dem blog.
I don’t see that here, or Kos (although I guess people can get heavy with the troll rating), or Bennen (although he doesn’t seem to attract the fanbois).
Just throwing that out there before bed.
r€nato
indeed. Not exactly the kind of behavior which would dispel the notion that Hillary is Republican-lite.
Thank goodness Obama won. I would have gritted my teeth and voted for Hillary W. Clinton in the general, but man that would have been tough.
r€nato
OK, I can see rationales for #2 and #3, but winner-take-all? That’s an awful, very Republican idea. Democrats didn’t seem to think winner-take-all Electoral College was a bright idea in 2000; why would it be a bright idea as a way to choose our nominee???
Throw the baby out with the bathwater because they didn’t get their way. I hope these folks come to their senses before long. It’s not like Joe Lieberman got the nomination. Obama will be a fine candidate; he’s just not the candidate they would have preferred.
neil
Even if you create an account Taylor Marsh won’t let you post.
Gemina13
Calling the posters on HillaryIs44.com and MyDD crybabies is really an insult to many babies. At least when they cry, you can be sure of three things: they’re wet/soiled, hungry, or sleepy.
Over on Kos, there are a couple of diarists–Hillary supporters–demanding that Obama supporters plead and beg them to support BO as the Democratic nominee. Not, “OK, it’s been a bloody primary, our candidate lost, so we’ll support whoever wins the nomination.” But, “Our candidate lost, and we hate you for winning the battle, so suck on our left nuts until we feel like voting for the candidate NOT running for Bush’s third term.”
I’ll happily reach out to any Hillary supporter, considering I was ready to vote for her last November. However, I kiss ass for no one. If that’s what these morons on Kos, HI44 and MyDD want, they can bend over and plant one on their own back cheeks, especially if they get McCain elected.
Zuzu
I’d guess they and the ones like them live in all-blue or all-red states and feel they can afford their cheap grandstanding.
Either that or they never loved their country.
Rick Taylor
Who are you on Talk Left, Niner Dave?
Zuzu
Well, if McCain stands by his pledge to refrain from smear tactics, I look forward to a race run on the issues. I said IF.
Martin
Winner take all is a terrible idea. It essentially boils down to rule by majority class.
Mississippi is almost 40% black and still has the stainless banner on the flag. Votes GOP reliably. That 40% has virtually no voice in national politics.
What I would like to see is an electorate map drawn up. One with proportionate population rules identical to the district map except that each electorate district must be split evenly across three congressional districts. Win the electorate district, win the electoral vote. Throw some add-ons for state wins – maybe 2 to represent each senate seat. That’s a 20-ish % electorate vote bump for statewide wins.
Now you have an electoral map that is fuck-all hard to gerrymander because selling out a congressional district will probably cost you an electoral vote and vice versa. Plus, it forces you to campaign nationally.
r€nato
Shit, you know how that is going to go, don’t you? We have seen it already. McCain surrogate says Obama is a secret Muslim or reminds everyone of his middle name, McCain disavows slur/smear. Lather, rinse, repeat.
“I condemn any attempt to associate my opponent with TERRORISTS! Just because his middle name is HUSSEIN, it doesn’t mean HE IS A TERRORIST!“
Martin
McCain will. Every other GOP won’t. And McCain will get bonus points for reminding the rest of the GOP that it’s bad form to call Obama a nigger.
John Cole
I am just going to throw this out there that insomnia blows.
I have been trying to fall asleep for four hours, and am now in the desparation phase, where I plead and make deals to just fall asleep do I can get a few hours before I have to wake up.
Martin
I think tomorrow will be the day:
Conservatively Liberal
Boy, I leave town for a few days and look what happens. Obama is still winning, and he wins some more. Go figure. ;)
I have missed out on harassing the regular asshats here, but we have been having so much fun on our travels that I have stayed away from the computer since we took off last week. I only got on tonight because we are taking off tomorrow and heading to La Pine, Oregon for the evening and then off to home the next day.
I am glad to see that IN was close and NC was a clear win! A win in IN would have been nicer, but this is still a good result for Obama. Hillary needs to graciously exit, stage right, now. I know that she is not dropping out yet, but she knows it is over for her.
Now its time to watch Obama play roadrunner to McPain’s coyote. I am sure the right will be hauling out their Acme hardware to stop Obama, and I hope he is as successful at stopping them as the roadrunner has been.
And with the same spectacular results… ;)
El Doh
TalkLeft’s full of people claiming Obama’s a stealth Republican who is about to pick a Republican running mate. He’s also apparently completely unelectable as only Liberal Elites and Black people vote for him.
If he were to someone be elected — which can’t happen because, of course, he is unelectable — he will destroy social security and do all sorts of other heinous yet unspecified acts, though.
Oh, and several won’t vote for him because Florida and Michigan didn’t count soon enough (?) — can someone explain the logic to that to me, please, given no-one will actually be seated until August?
The other head-exploding excuses for not voting for Obama is “he’s a loser” and he’s run an incredibly dirty campaign full of misogyny and right wing talking points(!) — apparently, Hillary was too nice, held back far too much instead of REALLY going for the jugular.
It makes MyDD look sane.
Martin
TiVo Tip: When I need an afternoon nap I turn on Wolf Blitzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Zuzu
I had a little hope that McCain would be moderate on the score, ’till I saw this.
WaPo
Now that I think about it, I guess it was all too predictable. The guy has absolutely no sense of shame left.
John Cole
Fuck them all.
Compare speeches. If you can not figure out why Barack givesyou an opportunity to vote for someone rather than voting for Clinton to vote against McCain, you are an idiot.
They will come around. Barack is a good man.
Jon H
“At least the Hillaryis44 people are admitting that they’re really Republicans. Some honestly coming out of them for a change.”
Ya know, the Bushies were awfully fond of playing up the 41/43 thing. I don’t recall Democrats ever particularly fetishizing the numbers that way.
Zuzu
Compare speeches, smeeches. The guy will wrassle ‘gators in the White House.
Top Ten Barack Obama Campaign Promises
Zuzu
Lie in a quiet, dark or semi-dark room (duh). Count your breaths, up to 10. Then again. And again.
Never fails for me.
Good luck.
Jon H
Why does HillaryIs404.org show a picture of a shar-pei?
Jon H
My theory on why the media is giving up now: they are pathetic superstitious creatures, and are following the ‘omen’ of the Clinton-backed filly at the Kentucky Derby losing to ‘Big Brown’, and then being euthanized.
Which I actually do find kinda freaky. The only way for random events to more completely suggest the universe giving her the finger would be if she had woken up Monday morning with a pattern of huge pimples on her forehead spelling out “QUIT, DAMN YOU!”.
firebrand
myiq:
Hillary said NC would be the game changer. She lost.
When will she come out and admit that the campaign’s over?
PeterJ
Don’t watch any coverage of Clinton before going to sleep. You’ll have a hard time falling asleep and when you finally do, you’ll have nightmares.
PeterJ
Clinton is this year’s version of Nader from 2004, only still running because of the support of republicans that want the democratic candidate to fail.
Paul Weimer
It does truly suck, John. Been there, done that, have t-shirts.
The day after at work is the real killer. Every hour feels like a year in purgatory.
Phoebe
John,
Have you tried a bit of melatonin with your wine? I have found that combination to be very effective but you need to do it earlier than now – try it tomorrow at the time that you’d actually want to go to bed.
Also, the more exercise you get in a day, the easier sleep will come.
bago
Now drop and give me platitudes.
jake
What’s all this about “over,” doc?
This is why I don’t feel sorry for her ass.
bago
Also, Ambien. If you fail to sleep you at least get a half assed lsd style trip out of it. Not battering your GABA pathways pays off.
bago
And Mass Effect. Buy it.
jake
My fellow BJers, today I renew my calls for John Cole to take his ass to doctor before he drops dead.
Seriously man, when you’re not begging Morpheus to hit you with a sock full of sand you’ve got some sort of creeping crud.
Do you want to be laid up when Hillary cracks and runs after Obama screaming “NO WIRE HANGERS!!”
Do ya?
Davis X. Machina
.
Give Chris Bowers credit — change ‘white-hot lie’ to ‘fairly accurate summary’ and it’s on the nose.
Genine
I gave up. I’m just going to work early and coming home early to nap.
NickM
C’mon – wasn’t everyone looking forward to Hillary campaigning in West Virginia and Kentucky? Can’t you just see her taking a slug of corn squeezins from a jug at the end of every speech and saying “Ooooh – White Lightnin'” like the George Jones song?
John Cole
I have talked to a doctor, and there is nothing they can do as my insomnia is so sporadic. I have a bout where I do not sleep for one or two nights every 3-6 months, then I sleep like a damned baby the other 6 months. And when I say sleep like a baby, I mean I fall asleep within 2-3 minutes of my head hitting the pillow.
That is what makes these bouts so frustrating. Plus, I walked 4 miles and did 40 minutes on the exericse bike yesterday. Pisses me off.
Mary
John, did you walk indoors or outdoors? And can you get a real bike and try going outside? I find that if I take my exercise indoors only, versus getting outside and seeing the world change as I move, it makes a real difference to my energy levels and state of relaxation.
Notorious P.A.T.
Honestly, I can’t imagine Hillary would do a better job there than McCain. Why shouldn’t I think that if a bunch of Republicans started telling her what an awesome justice John Yoo would be, she’d just go along to get along like with the gas tax holiday?
These people are a stone’s throw from denouncing the “reality-based community”.
4tehlulz
Let the
HilltardsRepublicans whine. It will make teh MUP’s victory in November all the sweeter.nightjar
Normal.
Dr. Nightjar, Acme School of Medicine
PaulB
Nope. He’s already broken his “pledge” when he trumpeted far and wide that Obama was the choice of Hamas.
John Cole
Genine, you don’t answer your email, do you?
Genine
Yes, I do. :P
Zuzu
I’ve always been a bit of a night owl, but am convinced all those years of doing my schoolwork once my kid went to sleep affected my metabolism. I tend to get my second wind around 9 pm.
Yes, the day after is heck on wheels, worse because you tend to amp up on caffeine which only makes you more restless later. Me anyway.
Howsomever…now that I’m retired I find a sort of naughty thrill in staying up late and sleeping in. Yes, I am turning into a geezer.