I changed the goal, and let’s try for 5 more by the end of the month, on top of the 15k we have already raised.
A big win in North Carolina, and the margin is so close that it is a win in Indiana. We may finally be near the end.
*** Update ***
LMAO. Clinton is speaking- “Full speed to the White house, she says, but can you stop by the atm (my website) and dump some money so we can continue our journey?”
Too funny. Compare and contrast the two speeches. A gracious speech from Obama, a beg for donations from Hillary. If I donate $.01, will it cost her campaign more than the donation?
*** Update #2 ***
She looks flat, and for a fleeting moment, I had a twinge of sympathy. She is reading this speech emotionlessly, phoning it in, and she is broken. She knows it is over, and you can’t help but feel slightly bad for her. And then I remember all the crap she has pulled this campaign and my sympathy erodes.
*** Update #3 ***
This is sounding more and more like a concession speech and she is, in fact, dropping out. This may be the last hurrah.
*** Update #4 ***
Others are reading it the same way- this is over and she knows it, and that was as close as we will get tonight.
Warren Terra
I was worried – well, slightly – in that I’d already donated through your ActBlue page after the results came in, but I see that the thermometer counts donations since today, so I’m guessing my donation counted towards the goal.
It’s all money to the same place, anyway.
Here’s hoping you are soon forced to turn your proven fundraising power to other, perhaps less political causes.
Andrew
Well, I’m a sucker.
The Grand Panjandrum
I’m maxed out for the primary so I shot a C-note over to Tom Udall whose running to take the Senate seat now held by the retiring Pete Domenici.
VC71
just sent $25.08 — love this web page!
nightjar
Hillary unveils her plan to unite the Democratic Party.
myiq2xu
Obama failed to meet expectations in NC and suffered a devastating loss in Indiana.
Yes, send him more of your hard earned cash.
Ted
Do you even believe the shit you say?
The Grand Panjandrum
Clinton is about to speak. This speech will tell us a lot about where this contest goes from here. It will be interesting.
scrutinizer
Go back to the bukkake vids, myiq.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
“The Americans are going to surrender or be burned in their tanks. They will surrender, it is they who will surrender.”
And Hillary is just as lost in the ozone. Oh well.
torrentprime
John,
Since your journey from red to kinda-sorta blue mirrors mine, I’m continuing to shoot some money ActBlue’s way, even though I am already well in to Obama as a donor.
Here’s to an Indiana loss for Hillary! Go Lake County.
John Cole
LOL. Full speed on to the White House.
Fucking delusional. She lost ground in popular vote and delegates and still thinks she is winning.
myiq2xu
Obama called Indiana the “tiebreaker.”
He lost.
Ted
Myiq2xu: The Gary Ruppert of Balloon-Juice.
EdTheRed
Hillary: “It’s full speed ahead to the White House!”
Huh…I live in DC, and I could’ve sworn it was on the Potomac River, not de Nile…
drag0n
Does she actually believe the shit she spews?
jnfr
Four points isn’t devastating, and all the votes aren’t in.
jake
Good thing Richard Stamos can’t hit the high F in “Lovin’ You”.
drag0n
Oh, I forgot.. she doesn’t DO math.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Hillary’s broke. Barely a minute into her speech and she’s already pleading for money.
torrentprime
JC: I heard that too. She’s hoping the crowd (and more importantly, the TV audience) doesn’t realize she hasn’t even won yet.
Eww: And the plug for the money. Yuck.
drag0n
Lol! Oh she DOES do math. She is just panhandling to pay her debts.
EdTheRed
Shorter Hillary:
“Alright, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close up.”
The Grand Panjandrum
Bill looks like he’s in a police line up. I wonder how long before we see the quivering lip.
drag0n
What happened to her accent? It magically changed again.
demimondian
No, you don’t understand. She is going full speed ahead to the White House, where she’s planning on standing on the front lawn with the other dignitaries applauding Obama’s Inaguration Speech next January.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
And she’s still hitting the gas tax even after it blew up in her face. Good grief.
myiq2xu
So when will Barry admit he can’t win and pack it in?
chopper
math is for elitists who know math.
MelodyMaker
Listening to HRC now. I’ve put in for BHO twice at his site. Gonna pitch in via Balloon-Juice now! Yes, I can.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
“WHERE IS WENCK!? WHERE IS STEINER!?”
… I think Hillary just laid the bedrock of her graceful exit right there.
dr. bloor
Goldwater’s dead.
So is Hillary.
Ted
Almost there! I asked for bets on when you’d start referring to him as Barry HUSSEIN Obama.
Those of us who aren’t wingnuts (that would not include yourself) still respect Hillary enough to use her full name. Thanks for revealing your 2nd grade behavior again.
Nim, ham hock of liberty
I agree, credibility is overrated.
scrutinizer
Christ, myiqisanimaginarynumber, at least p.huk tries. You’re just kind of—pathetic.
nightjar
Thou art a funny troll MYiq2xu.
torrentprime
Grand P:
Holy crap. Bill looks like he’s ready to pass out. WTF?
The Grand Panjandrum
I love the smell of chalk dust in the morning.
drag0n
There! She said it. She is out. She is gonna give Obama a break, as kos suggested, and not let him be humiliated in West Virginia next week.
Time to be nice to Hillary boys.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Yeah, it sounds like she’s getting ready to close the door. Lots of “long journey”, “we must defeat the Republicans”, “me and Senator Obama.”
lone wolf
Hillary fakes the big win in Indiana.
You can see what’s running through her mind. It’s just like sex with Bill:
“Yes, yes, yes, I’m winning, I’m winning, I’m WINNING!!!!!!”
PeterJ
Clinton won’t win Indiana without the help of crossover republicans that will vote for McCain in November.
So obviously Obama should pack it in.
It made a huge difference for the goal posts, they have now been moved further than ever before.
myiq0.8xu, please seek some help.
DougJ
Watch for Lake County returns in Indiana. Obama may pull it out. Right now, I have Hillary winning by about 10K when all is said and done. DAMN CLOSE.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Oh, let him go on. I have a few more quotes I want to use.
Studly Pantload
Interesting blog quote off Obama’s site, posted March 30:
Linka-dinka-doo: my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/michellevassar/gGB5dF
Oh, and does anyone know if myiq is even of voting age? My money is on “under 18″…
eglenn
Fixed it for ya.
chopper
apaprently obamas camp has been saying a 10K loss all night.
Warren Terra
Myiq~u, how much have you had to drink tonight? I mean, you normally spew bile, but now it’s nonsensical bile.
Z
Woo-hoo! Double digits so far in NC!
BJ
Doesn’t matter. She’ll spin it as a new donation from a former Obama supporter anyway, and proof that she has the grassroots on her side who are willing to donate even the smallest amounts that they can.
Tattoosydney
Is anyone else coming to the conclusion that myiqisarapidlydecliningnumber is actually an elaborate, and time consuming, parody?
The Grand Panjandrum
Ruh-roh. This really does sound like a bit of a concession here.
I’ll bet that plug for her website was so she can get some of that $5 million back.
Tomorrow is a big day. Things start moving big time with the SD’s and the Obama campaign is going to put the full court press on them. The electability argument will be pressed on several fronts but popular vote, delegates, and MONEY.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Mmf, Cavs kept it close but it doesn’t look like we’ll pull it out. Damn.
lone wolf
Bill looks a little bored.
“Man, the vice president will be getting more action than me if she wins.”
Rick Taylor
It’s alright, Myiq2xu, We know y’all are hurtin’ after Clinton’s devastating loss in North Carolina.
scrutinizer
Oh, please. How often are nominations determined by a lot fewer than 48 states? The problem for Hils is that she’s not going to be able to control the RAB committee.
And God, doesn’t Bill look really bad?
EdTheRed
That wasn’t even a speech. It was just a disjointed series of ramblings. Of course, Chris Matthews calls it “charming.” I want what he’s smoking.
drag0n
THAT was a concession speech. She is just going to go through the motions now. It is over.
scrutinizer
Quite a bit older, actually—and he can be a lot of fun, when he’s not being a troll.
jake
God damn it. I was planning to hit the sack early tonight.
Maybe I’ll just listen for p.luckshake’s raging squealing cry: “You fools, come back and fight! Ponies aren’t dangerous!”
[apologies to R. Adams]
Josh E.
Can’t believe LeBron bricked that layup. I’d be a bit worried if I were the Celts. LeBron shot like shit in Boston and it still came down to the wire.
Ted
Remember folks: when Hillary drops out, be sure to enjoy the Myiq Schadenfreude. He may stop commenting here, but he’s still got a blog at Corrente, where there will hopefully be some whining.
HRA
I had to leave the Hillary speech right after the first few sentences. I cannot believe she is counting Indiana as a win when Lake County (Gary,Indiana) will not be counted in till midnight.
I don’t know how anyone else feels watching the “family”. All I can think of are the Klingons.
Oh I do give directly to the Obama campaign. I’ll do my best to give something here tomorrow.
Warren Terra
NPR’s reporter just said Gary, Indiana managed to turn out a few thousand extra ballots as a rush order and have now realized the new ballots don’t fit into the machine tabulators. The ballots – perfectly valid, no fraud, just bad execution – will be read by hand. Tomorrow.
No need to keep on hitting “refresh”, I guess.
drag0n
Lol! Obama again. 4th time I have heard him on CNN.com Live.
lone wolf
Is that Rick Taylor from Massapequa?
PeterJ
You will also give her campaign way too much information about yourself.
And if there comes a purge, the $.01 people will be high on the list.
Jeffro
My wife and I decided we’d help Big O on his way…so we settled on $250 tonight via ActBlue/Balloon Juice and vowed to do whatever it took in the general.
Although,I think the general’s going to be a piece of cake once enough people realize McSame is just that – Bush’s 3rd term.
demimondian
Jake, Lake County will come in very late. It’s the home of the other half of the Chicago machine, and so if they’re counting the -absent- absentee ballots, it could be a very long night indeed.
Rick Taylor
Nope. Rick Taylor from California. There’s another Rick Taylor?
Civilized Crank
Pierce and Allen had a combined 10 pts… should be an interesting series.
Adam
Nah, it’s just his rosacea; whenever he speaks his staff is supposed to crank the AC way down (I’ve experienced this; it’s cold). I imagine that with all the people sitting in that little room for hours, it’s pretty damn hot — and the stress probably doesn’t help, either. I’d cut the guy a break.
Adam
Because FUCK POOR PEOPLE
The Grand Panjandrum
One of our favorite commenters posted this at Talk Left. I want some of those drugs, man!
scrutinizer
I saw that and the first thing I thought was—never mind.
drag0n
Guys.. she conceded. Good night :-)
Chris Johnson
I’m guessing Hillary’s done very much the kind of politics Bill always did, but he has infinitely better instincts than she has- and right now she is believing her own bullshit, but he realises that his time has already past. They gotta enjoy the money they’ve got, because the gravy train’s drying up and the rules Clintons play by are changing.
Soylent Green
From a recent post over at Hillaryis44:
Was Thelma driving at the end of the movie, or was it Louise? I forget.
Jess
One of my favorites–I’m going to flop on the sofa and reread it once again as soon as grades are in.
What an awesome speech from Obama tonight! I’m so glad I joined the Magical Pony Ride.
nightjar
I think I heard a talking head say he’d been to nearly 100 small towns in the past few weeks. For a guy with heart disease, it’s no wonder he’s looking peaked.
Ninerdave
The magic of cleek strikes again.
flyerhawk
The race is over guys. She can run out the string but it’s over.
It’s time to get the family back together. Let’s not gloat and let’s not rub it into the faces of Hillary supporters. Sure Paul and MyIQ are quasi-trolls, but let’s not allow them to continue to spread their specific brand of nasty. Most Hillary supporters are good people and we should remember that.
t jasper parnell
Flyerhawk is correct; however, that was one weird danged speech.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
From the TalkLeft link:
“Big village. Be quick. Bring packs.”
Ninerdave
Fuck that. I’m gloating for at least a week. I have more emails and ips than they can ban in that time.
reid
The loons at No Quarter (I know, why did I click…) are on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Think of p.luk but nuttier. Still demanding Obama step aside because he has no chance against McCain. And worse still, tons of comments supporting the insanity.
Zuzu
I voted for Obama in the California primary, but couldn’t really qualify myself as a true believer. I thought (and still think) Hillary would make a perfectly competent president. But, what finally turned me:
1. Her vote on the war. Plus I think we’d end up bombing Iran.
2. I’m just basically sick of the Clintons.
Now…I’m really, really sick of the Clintons. Her campaign tactics make me realize she’d be perfectly capable of flying back to her home state in the middle of the campaign to make sure a brain-damaged man was executed. If it helped her chances.
KRK
I think folks are failing to give credit where credit is due.
First, to myiq. Earlier today p.luk set a very high bar for myiq to match with a string of truly laugh out loud pro-Hillary comments. I didn’t think it could be matched. But myiq stepped up and hit it out of the park on his first try. Well done.
Second, to Hillary, for working an extended reference to 9-11 into her concession/”full speed to the White House” speech.
Finally, to Bill C., for making it through her speech without throwing up.
Billy K
Those of you who have maxed out, don’t forget Scott Kleeb!
(And Darcy Burner!)
John S.
Hillary said NC was the ‘game changer’ and that the country — and the world! — wanted to see what NC decided.
They decided they want Obama (by a large margin).
Hillary lost.
Ninerdave
Question for the peanut gallery.
Will the money that Obama has in the bank for the primary be available to him in the general? I know they have to keep it separated a bit.
jake
Thanks for the heads up.
I can see now that election week will have to be a vacation week because whatever the outcome I will be doing my part to support the manufacturers and distributors of alcoholic beverages.
Soylent Green
Let’s keep things in perspective. Myiq and pluk are mellow, reasonable guys compared to the hardcore creeps over at No Quarter and Taylor Marsh, the ones who hate Obama more than Osama. I give our Hill people props for hanging in here as the loyal opposition no matter how much we shit on them. If they left, you guys would be begging them to come back, just like before.
Jon H
Zuzu wrote: “Now…I’m really, really sick of the Clintons. Her campaign tactics make me realize she’d be perfectly capable of flying back to her home state in the middle of the campaign to make sure a brain-damaged man was executed. If it helped her chances.”
She’d fly to any state to make sure a brain-damaged man was executed. If it helped her chances.
PeterJ
I’m pretty sure that myiq0.8xu would sacrifice his life if that would give Clinton a push in the polls. He’s a man and judging from his comments here brain-damaged too.
Z
Does anyone remember what they call that phenomenon in economics where people, who have already lost more money than they are confortable with, keep doubling down? I think that is what is going on with some of the Clinton supporters. They have invested so much of themselves in the race, that they CAN’T concede.
cbear
Yep, its that time.
I strongly suspect myiq was just fucking with you guys earlier, he’s much too smart not to know what happened tonight AND he does have a very good sense of humor….even at his own expense sometimes, which is more than you can say for most people.
KRK
A thought about the fundraising. Clinton is a done deal. Buzz is that she might approach Obama to help her with her campaign debts. This is apparently a common thing for a winner to do for also-rans, and Obama is a magnanimous kind of guy. So it seems a fair shot.
I know many here would rather…well, have unpleasant things happen…than provide financial support to the Clintons.
So — I feel awful saying it — if that’s important to you, you might want to hold back until things shake out and you can know your money is going towards beating McCain.
demimondian
I don’t actually know if the money is available to him for the general — but it’s available to him for the primary, right? And if Sen. Clinton continues to campaign, or puts her campaign on hold, or even if she concedes, he’s got a lot of convention organizing to do, and lots of things like that to do, you know.
And that requires he spend money for primary expenses. So I wouldn’t worry about Sen. Obama having plenty of good uses for the money he raises for his primary bid. He’ll find lots of good uses for it.
Billy K
.
Fuck that. I’d throw her a couple Lincolns if she’d GTFO.
Andre The Defiant
A hundred bucks here. Thank God this is almost over.
firebrand
myiq, didn’t Hillary call North Carolina “the game changer?” Because it sure looks like the game has changed…AGAINST HER. Or does your level of crazy prevent you from seeing that?
r€nato
I gave $0.01 to the GOP in 2004. It paid dividends. I got a ton of fundraising junk mail, removed any identifying material from the pages contained therein, and sent it back to them in their postage-paid envelope.
I like to call that, ‘recycling’.
The fundraising letters stopped coming until recently, I’ve gotten two so far. If they don’t start coming again this summer, I’ll give them another penny by credit card. Hell I bet the transaction costs them that much.
Muahahahahahahahaha.
demimondian
Remember what I said about Gary and the Chicago machine? Even Kos is talking about it, citing this piece.
Warren Terra
My (lay) impression, from reading political magazines, was that the primary and general funds are completely separate – but there are a lot of ways to spend money between now and late August, including pricy national advertising. The General Election Campaign will be, what, nine weeks long?
And there must be some overlap, as some things can be pre-paid: if the Obama campaign sets up offices, then – even if the rent may have to be paid from the general election money – they can presumably equip and stock the offices during the primary season. And once Clinton drops out, all future fundraising can be directed to the gneeral election fund if desirable.
DougJ
Union County has announced either so it’s not like Gary is the only place. I’ll have to see some evidence before I think there’s something fishy here.
KRK
I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I don’t know about Mr. Cole, though.
PeterJ
If I recall correctly, he can’t give her more than $2300. He can transfer as much money as he wants to organisations like the DNC, but not to candidates. Also, whatever he raises for the primary he can use in the GE, unless he’s accepted public funds for the GE.
John Cole
At this point I would sell my family into bondage to get her the fuck out of the race.
r€nato
I meant to write, ‘after the 2004 election ended, the fundraising letter stopped coming until recently…’
D.N. Nation
Bye, Hillary. It’s over.
DougJ
I’m just not convinced that counting the absentees the night of the election — which they do in Lake County — is all that suspicious. They do that in Fairfax too, which is why it came in so late for Webb in 2006.
If the Clintons whine about Gary/Lake County being rigged, I’m going to scream.
ploeg
I believe the money that Obama has in the bank for the primary is available to him until the moment he says, “I accept your nomination for President.” Then he has to go to the general election bucket.
In any case, I think that whatever money you give Obama now will be put to good use. If you’re running up against the limits, they should be in contact with you about what you should do.
firebrand
HOLY SHIT!
The vote total is under 20000 now.
It’s 51-49 in Indiana!!
!!!
Martin
Part of Lake just came in. Down to 20K votes. O: 75%, C: 25% with 28% reporting.
Tim
best update of the night:
slate.com/id/2190778/
Throwin Stones + 7
Red and White, Blue Suede shoes…
Studly Pantload
Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-kerrrr!
D.N. Nation
Heh. Suburban Chicago just came in, and HRC’s getting her ass kicked.
Later.
Phoenix Woman
Holy shit, boys and girls.
Great Orange Satan just said that Gary might give Indiana to Obama.
*faints*
EdinLA
DOWN TO 2% LEAD FOR CLINTON IN INDIANA!
Martin
That was all Gary. We’ll see if the area closer to Chicago carries him the rest of the way.
Rick Taylor
I sure hope so. It would certainly be something, after Hillary declared victory, and one of the networks called it early for her.
Martin
Oh, and goddamn is that CNN computer system amazing…
Ed in NJ
I have to say, the coverage after Hillary’s speech on MSNBC has been a joy to watch. Finally, the bobbleheads seem to get that Hillary has no chance to win this thing.
Even if Hillary squeaks out Indiana, the narrative has changed. All anyone is going to talk about from here on is how does she get out.
Tim Russert just reported that Hillary has cancelled all her morning show appearances.
flyerhawk
Indiana is down to a 2 point lead.
Genine
Yes. No one is that delusional outside of an insane asylum or the Bush administration.
Studly Pantload
Yep, been hangin’ on the sucker all nite…
Marvel
Best. night. ever.
My personal favorite is the talking heads noticing that the gas tax pander might (gasp!) have hurt the babe. Woo hoo.
D.N. Nation
This shit is over. Over over over. Even the babbling heads can’t keep the charade up.
r€nato
so far. Wait til November, when Obama grinds McSame into dust, the Dems get the 60 seat majority they need in the Senate and kick a few dozen more Repubs out of the House.
Adam
The better reason to give to Obama now is so that he doesn’t get boxed in to taking Hillary on as VP for cash reasons. She’s still got a ton of money earmarked for the general that you can bet they’ll be waving in the Obama campaign’s face every day until he announces his VP choice. That’s all this primary is about now.
marjo
Interesting to me that all the men on MSNBC are saying Clinton was conciliatory, but Rachel Maddow, the black republicanish woman and ME all say no way, she’s going scorched earth.
Is what men hear and what women hear that different? And who’s got the right instinct? I would love to be wrong, but I didn’t hear much back-down out of her. Maybe it was the call out to Michigan that gave me such a bad taste.
I would LURV to see him pull an Indiana win out from under her arse. But she should be proud: she once again gets the under-educated, under-informed, last-minute kneejerk old fart vote.
Also, I would hate to think my hard-earned cash to Obama would go to pay Hil’s bills.
I don’t think she would consider VEEP and I don’t think he would offer. At least I hope not.
I do not want to go to bed until he wins Indiana.
they say Hill has cancelled her morning show appearances. esp. since she doesn’t know whether she’ll have anything left to crow about. (as if that would stop her ordinarily)
PULEEASE let the humiliation ensue.
OriGuy
When I was growing up in Bloomington, Morgan County on the way to Indianapolis was still all-white. Our black athletes would be rushed to the bus after games there and our black cheerleaders would not suit up. Today 3700 people voted for Barack Obama in Morgan County.
In White County, north of Lafayette, there were still signs that said “N*****r don’t let the sun go down on you here” in 1998. Obama got 45% of the vote there. (I couldn’t stand to actually leave the word in.)
Lake County is starting to come in. With 28% reporting, Obama is getting 75%.
Genine
But picking her for VP would do so much damage to him. I think it might be a losing ticket.
Meanwhile- Yay! down to a 2% lead.
Ben
Having worked as an election inspector (poll worker) in Pittsfield Twp, MI, I can say that absentees there (and in all of Michigan afaik) don’t get tabulated until election night. Which is a drag when they need to be tabulated by hand and you get sequestered from 6AM to 3AM (21 hours). But hey, you get paid.
ghost poet
What’s next for Clinton’s spinners? Something like — If African-Americans still counted as 3/5ths of a person, then we’d have the popular vote and Obambi would be in a noose right now?
Give it up guys, Clinton lost this all by herself. I was prepared to support her until she proposed giving another $10 billion to the petrol industry. That on top of the Iran vote really sealed the deal for me.
The Other Steve
Following along with what OriGuy said, it is absolutely remarkable that a state which had David Curtis Stephenson as it’s Governor back in the 1920s would have such a large turnout for Obama.
Maybe it’s time I forgave the state for Dan Quayl.
The Other Steve
I have to agree that I didn’t hear anything concillatory.
That being said, I think if Indiana swings Obama, it’s over tomorrow. Especially after that speech, and the snipe about Indiana being the tie breaker. She can’t live that one down.
scrutinizer
According to MSNBC, Clinton has now cancelled all her public appearances tomorrow.
ThymeZone
Tim Potatohead Russet about one minute ago:
“We now know who the Democratic nominee is going to be.”
Obama.
FWIW
J. Michael Neal
All of the MSNBC talking heads have tossed in the towel, and have admitted that they need to find another way to entertain themselves going forward. Look for white women to vanish.
Adam
I disagree. It’s an instant, no-hassle way to win back all the Hillary supporters, which is going to look like a more and more attractive option once the media starts asking whether OMG, has Obama burned too many bridges in the primary!?! Mark my words, it’ll be a fait accompli by June.
rob!
51/49 as of right now…wow.
the sun is coming up and the vampire can’t find her coffin.
D.N. Nation
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Glenn Reynolds says that Obama didn’t have a lot of people in Raleigh, or something!
Also, someone shut this Hammond asshat up.
KRK
She wasn’t conciliatory, but she was defeated. No oomph at all in even her MI/FL nonsense. Tonight she finally realized that she’s not going to win.
The Other Steve
This is third hand, but… Apparently Tim Russert is reporting that Hillary Clinton has canceled all morning appearances.
The Other Steve
Ok, I see you all heard too. :-)
Chris Johnson
Boxed in to taking Hillary on as VP for cash reasons, MY ASS.
I’ve been waiting. I think mainly waiting to see if the Democratic Party would scuttle Obama and go with Bush-Lite.
Thanks, primary guys, for supporting Obama in that. I bet I’m NOT the only one who’s not only not maxed out, but who has not begun to donate to Obama.
Just waiting to be sure he WILL run against McCain…
scrutinizer
Not just morning appearances. All appearances tomorrow.
The Other Steve
Wait. Is Quayl supposed to have an e at the end?
BA-DA-DUMP! I’ll be here all weekend folks! :-)
demimondian
When I was a post-doc at IU, I remember the Klan coming to Merrillville to hold a rally. It was a turning point of sorts — for the first time ever, the locals came out to counter-protest. And there more more counterprotesters than there were protesters — and not just a few more, but a lot more. Many times more.
The Indianapolis TV stations were gobsmacked. For some reason, it had never struck them that the Klan was a tiny minority out there in the hinterlands.
Davis X. Machina
Mark my words, we’ll hear Lake County:2008::Cook County:1960 till the end of our days, only it will be intra-party carping.
I expect if I wanted to I could already find it at Corrente, or MyDD or such…
scrutinizer
Ohh Noes!!! CNN thinks it’s found a Story!
Jon H
“I disagree. It’s an instant, no-hassle way to win back all the Hillary supporters”
Nah. If Obama picks the right vp, like say Jim Webb, the country will be all “Hillary Who?”
Genine
But, he ran on changing politics, getting rid of the old pandering and tricks. To pick Hillary would make him look like a hypocrite to a lot of people who believed in him.
I’m voting for him, whatever, but a lot of people would have the right to be disillusioned at that point.
The Other Steve
In terms of Obama taking on Hillary as VP. I hate the idea, but… I think he has to just to prevent a splinter.
demimondian
Cue the “Ohio was stolen in 2004” crowd…
Zuzu
True, but so would Hillary campaigning for the nominee.
Chris Johnson
51/49 what? Are you saying Indiana is in and it went Obama?
Chris Johnson
Picking Hillary as VP would be fucking insane. Talk about brainless, cynical old politics, plus she’ll fucking murder him in his sleep. I mean, REALLY.
Lit3Bolt
Btw, if anyone wants to, go over to the Moderate Voice and join in the roast of Holly in Cincinatti. It’s time to put her and a lot of other “moderate Democrats” in their place. Watch them become enamored of McCain’s skin folds in the coming days.
Z
As usual, CNN is ticking me off. I love this whole, ‘Clinton supporters have SERIOUS questions about why this has taken so long.’ Hey CNN, BITE ME!
Josh E.
It’s already on at TalkLeft. Because the mayor predicted a big Obama margin there, it must be voter fraud. No other evidence. Just one enthusiastic mayor talking about how Gary will swing it to O. It’s fucking ridiculous.
The Other Steve
I doubt that. Webb is a name inside Virginia, and in the blogosphere, but not so much outside that.
Well, we’ll see. I do think it’s either going to be someone who bolsters on the economy, or on the military. So perhaps a Webb, or a Tony Zinni, or Wes Clark. But it may also be a Bloomberg, or Rubin or something.
nightjar
What a huge mistake that would be. I don’t think he will, but he will get a lot of pressure to choose her. It would be like throwing the GOP hellhounds a big bone to rally the wingnut base. Not to mention the constant worry of what the Clinton’s might be up to. And of course, what they would actually be up to, which is always to serve the Clinton’s.
The Other Steve
Well, even kos seems to have his doubts. And remember what everybody said about the Diebold CEO throwing the race to Bush?
I liked how kos put it though. If it’s legit, it’s a big win for the machine. If it’s not legit, it’s a big win for the machine. :-)
johninpt
Sorry Adam, Hillary has as much chance of being on the ticket as Holy Joe Lieberman. And I look forward to both Lieberman and She-berman experiencing their much deserved marginalization during the Obama Administration. Time to purge the Dem Party of Republican-lite slime!
rob!
so even the REPUBLICANS are saying there’s no hanky-panky going on in Lake County? jesus christ, is it my birthday?
D.N. Nation
Shorter Hillary supporter on CNN:
The Other Steve
I’m volunteering to call Hillary and let her know this is over. Anybody have her phone #?
Idiotic
THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!!
FOR HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
J. Michael Neal
Oh. My. God. Tweety is now saying the same thing that I’ve been saying for 18 months. Clinton lost the nomination the day she couldn’t run away from her vote in favor of the AUMF before everyone else had decided she was wrong.
John Cole
I think you have to realize where Rachel is coming from- she, like us, has realized there is no conceivable way for Hillary to win unless Obama was destroyed. Tonight changes nothing in that regard. The others seem to think there was an argument for her before tonight, but now it ends. Rachel thinks, no, we are right where we were 12 hours ago- she has no chance to win unless Obama is destroyed. Throw in the Clinton spin about the new delegate totals and the October surprise bs, and you can see why Rachel thinks that.
Hell, I understand where Rachel is coming from- since shortly after super tuesday, I have repeatedly said this is over after each successive primary, because it became increasingly clear to me that the only way Hillary could win was a total Obama collapse.
I think the men see that after tonight there is just no conceivable argument for Hillary, so it is over. Rachel thinks there has been no conceivable argument for months, so what changed tonight?
ThymeZone
1-800-PANTSUIT
Adam
I’m so fucking sick of hearing the Party bitch and moan about every single fucking election they lose being stolen. Call it Florida 2000 Syndromes. It was Ohio in 2004 and it’s been every fucking primary and caucus so far this year. Here’s a few little hints:
(a) not every goddamn election has to be stolen, ok? sometimes you just lose. deal with it gracefully.
(b) you have to complain beforehand and you have to have proof to make this argument — election results don’t get reversed very often, frankly, and after it’s over the evidence trail is gone and it’s too late
(c) if you make this argument every single election, people won’t listen to you when it’s actually true — there’s this story about a kid being eaten by a wolf you may have heard of
This advice is for all Democrats — Clinton and Obama supporters. Quit whining.
Josh E.
Yes, but I don’t find Kos particularly insightful on many subjects. I do remember the Diebold stuff, but I always thought it was a lot of smoke without much fire. Kos says that the way the vote is being released “stinks to high hell” but he doesn’t say what is fishy about it.
Davis X. Machina
Lyndon Johnson must have felt in 1960 roughly the way Sen. Clinton feels now.
Wha’ happen?
KRK
Not very long ago people thought McCain would be forced to take Huckabee as a running mate. Now Huckabee is all but forgotten. Clinton won’t be forgotten, but the splinter risk has a lot of time to diminish.
you
1-800-IMALOSER?
The Other Steve
HILLARYIS44 IS DEAD!
DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!
flyerhawk
My preferred VP choices
Schweitzer from Montana
Mark Warner Virginia
The governor woman from Kansas if he thinks he needs a woman.
you
Obama won.
Surabaya Stew
Greetings Mr. Cole; I observe that you are “moving the goalposts” once again for your fundraising efforts for Mr. Obama. Ok then, you got me for another $25…
:D
Jon H
“Kos says that the way the vote is being released “stinks to high hell” but he doesn’t say what is fishy about it.”
Oh yeah? What’s the deal then with Union county, near Cinci? No results there, either.
Phoenix Woman
Apparently Lake and the other big counties in Indiana are always late. Be patient, padawans.
Warren Terra
Damn you, The Other Steve, for making me check the veracity of your claim, and thus making me view their site. They’re back, in glorious purplish pink, and it’s “Onward To West Virginia” over there.
J. Michael Neal
I’m not watching CNN, but on MSNBC, every single person on the air is sucking the life out of any possibility that Clinton can go on. If the pundits are giving up, she’s truly finished.
The Other Steve
LOL! clinton campaign is sending it’s surrogates out to say they closed the gap in North Carolina. Obama was supposed to win by 40 points!
AkaDad
Good times.
J. Michael Neal
Mark Warner would be a terrible VP choice, because we need him to win the Virginia senate seat. There are actually a couple of demographics Obama could use some help with, if you think that a VP pick would actually help. Hispanics (Richardson). Working class whites (Bayh, or Bob Casey). Women (Sibelius). People that think he doesn’t understand foreign policy (Biden, Clark, whothehellknows).
Jon H
” but on MSNBC, every single person on the air is sucking the life out of any possibility that Clinton can go on. If the pundits are giving up, she’s truly finished.”
Nah, it’ll be “MSNBC doesn’t count, because they’re biased against Hillary”.
Jon H
Heh. I don’t think Hillary’s going to want to watch ‘The Music Man’ any time soon.
marjo
I agree with John:
I was thinking the same thing: we’ve seen the irrationality of Hillary’s numbers for a while now, but the fact that pundits are accepting the truth, at least on MSNBC, is a positive sign. (I never even accepted that bullshit about her funding success after Pa. I thought those numbers were cooked anyway.)
but I really can’t see Hill going positive. in fact from the beginning I have yet to hear her give one gracious concession speech because she always seems to be winding up for the next pitch.
maybe she is starting to admit the truth to herself… but she’s not ready to admit it to anyone else. I would love to be the proverbial fly on the wall if the supers sit her down tomorrow for an intervention.
I think that there will be a lot of excitement and speculation about Obama’s possible veeps… I don’t think Clinton on the ticket would buy him anything. The Clinton fanatics would not be satisfied — in fact they would see it as a booby prize (no joke intended). And Obama would have to be concerned that Hillary would take away some of his control and/or authority over the ticket because I can’t see her or Bill taking a subservient role.
there are so many exciting possibilities to strengthen the ticket, and maybe a Clinton backer could be mentioned (Clark?), but Hillary would be a net loss.
If the Clintons don’t get behind Obama, their legacy is toast. And Obama can more than make up for the few diehard McCain-loving Hilbots with his new voters, crossovers etc.
MSNBC just announced for Clinton at 51%, but Obama has made up anything she gained in Pa. A really hair’s breadth win for her. whoopee. Only 20,000 votes bet. them.
Rachel: “a post-rational approach for Hillary.”
ThymeZone
Is there any way to describe the complete inanity and vapidity of Wolf Blitzer plus John King?
Has the world ever witnessed diarrhea of the mouth on this scale before?
J. Michael Neal
MSNBC is now saying, correctly, I think, that the “white working class” problem that Obama has is actually a “white, southern, working class” problem. It’s just that most people didn’t realize where the South actually starts. Cincinnati and Evansville are both in the south.
J. Michael Neal
Your problem is that you’re watching CNN. Switch to MSNBC. Olbermann is good. Chuck Todd is fabulous. Rachel Maddow is at least somewhat interesting, and is cute as a button.
ThymeZone
Just for shits and giggles, turned on Fox News.
First topics I heard them talking about?
Wright, Ayers, Bitter.
Welcome to the parallel universe.
John
J. Michael Neal – Obama won Hamilton County, Ohio (Cincinnati) big, and lost Vanderburgh County, Indiana (Evansville) by only four points.
ThymeZone
Umm, yeah, I think Olbermann and Todd went home half an hour ago. Rachel, who is great, has been off on a toot for six hours about how Clinton isn’t going to quit, which is rather silly, since nobody really knows that. Larry O’donnel is alright, sane, rational. But …
Dan Abrams is just a complete blithering idiot. He is the archetype of the idiot pundit. Can’t watch him, makes my head assplode. Willy Brown is annoying.
{ rolls eyes }
Corvus9
John, long-time lurker, first time poster (Since about the renouncing Iraq war support post). Just wanted to chime in and say that today, I have donated for the first time, ever, to a political campaign, through your ActBlue set-up. Thanks, it made it really easy.
Also, concerning the whole sympathy for Hillary thing? I haven’t read all the other posts yet, so maybe someone made this point, but I think it is kind of like in Film Noir movies where the “hero” does morally bad things, in the name of some questionably good ideal (The American Dream, love, fraternity, etc.) You know the character is going wrong, and you know they are doing bad things, but you still feel sorry for them, if only because their myopia makes them blind to what they have become. Then every so often, you punch out, and go, “Hey, wait a minute! These are awful people! Fuck them.”
Calouste
Someone at DailyKos just renamed them as HillaryIs404.
zoe from pittsburgh
Dan Abrams is the anti-Olberman.
Rachel Maddow needs her own teevee show. Although something managable that won’t interrupt her radio show.
I (heart) Rachel Maddow. Thom Hartman too. Fuck it, if the GOPers have FauxNews we can at least have a few Air America smarty-pants folks on corporate media.
J. Michael Neal
Sure. He won the black cities in the South, too. Not so much the areas around them.
OriGuy
The South starts just past Indianapolis and Columbus, Ohio.
Steve V
I think there will be one last fusillade from Clinton. Better duck.
J. Michael Neal
I’ve been to Columbus. I think the south starts somewhere in the middle of campus.
Tax Analyst
Up until now I’ve been donating solely through the Obama campaign site, but I’ll toss in an extra $10 here at ActBlue in honor of last nights very favorable results.
conumbdrum
I have a hellacious crush on Rachel Maddow. Smart, sassy and impossibly cute (though I’d love to catch a glimpse of her without all the makeup they make her wear on MSNBC). Sigh. Too bad she’s not into guys… though I’ve entertained fantasies of my Southern charm persuading her to bat for the other team for one delightful night… ah, yes.