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by John Cole|  May 9, 20086:35 pm| 195 Comments

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Because it is Friday and we need one.

*** Update ***

By the way- did Joe Wilson age 20 years in the past year, or is it just me? Check out this Hillary commercial airing in Oregon:

I started watching it and had to do a double-take when I realized that was him. I thought they had started with someone else (“WTF is R. Lee Ermey doing in this?”), and it took me a little bit before I recognized him. Here is a photo from 2007:

She looks the same, he looks like he has aged dramatically. Maybe it is just the hair cut, although he has gone through a lot of bullshit in the past few years. Or am I seeing things?

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  1. 1.

    John Cole

    May 9, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    I didn’t want to put it in a post so I don’t piss off Hillary supporters, but this Steve Benen headline is just cruel:

    “Obama picks up eight superdelegates; Clinton unveils PowerPoint presentation”

  2. 2.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    There’s nothing wrong with teasing them. What sucks is when you constantly flip back and forth between teasing them and telling everyone else to stop.

  3. 3.

    Wilfred

    May 9, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    What’s the male/female, old/young scene like at Obama W.V. HQ?

  4. 4.

    AkaDad

    May 9, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    John McCain: Older Than World War II

  5. 5.

    John Cole

    May 9, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    About 50/50, guy/girl, and a a young crowd, but with several notables over 30.

    Like me.

    I would say it tends younger, but there are all ages. No geriatrics that I have seen, though.

  6. 6.

    John Cole

    May 9, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    There’s nothing wrong with teasing them. What sucks is when you constantly flip back and forth between teasing them and telling everyone else to stop.

    I am just really trying to be on my best behavior.

  7. 7.

    jon

    May 9, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Here’s a question that involves an old man, lost bearings, enthusiasm, and a cult-like following: should I or shouldn’t I pay $98 to see Tom Waits next month?

  8. 8.

    HRA

    May 9, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    It’s 9 supers now.

    Hillary followed Obama to Oregon and is dissing his health care plan per Mark Halperin at Time.

    How to meke this all stop is to stop quoting the Clintons.
    I could only wish.

    Any ideas of how wide the trend is in West Virginia? I don’t believe the polls lately.

  9. 9.

    t jasper parnell

    May 9, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Waits: Should. I saw him in 1979-80 and it was brilliant and he has only become better.

  10. 10.

    ThymeZone

    May 9, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    I think this is the future of politics. I am now exploring the path to become a Superdelegate.

  11. 11.

    SamFromUtah

    May 9, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    I think this is the future of politics.

    Good grief – $20M? No way is that guy going to get it. Wotta tool.

  12. 12.

    kmeyer

    May 9, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    I think it is just the haircut. Doesn’t fit his face well. He’s just as wrinkly in the other pic, but looks more handsome. Plus, he’s smiling.

  13. 13.

    Soylent Green

    May 9, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Posted today on Talk Left:

    My honest opinion is that McCain’s competent execution of ideas I do NOT support would still be better for the country than an incompetent execution of ideas I do support.

    Now that’s democracy in action!

  14. 14.

    SamFromUtah

    May 9, 2008 at 7:00 pm

    I think it is just the haircut. Doesn’t fit his face well.

    I think it’s mostly that and, like you said, the smiling. But the open collar in the vid makes his neck look more wrinkly, too.

  15. 15.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    I think this is the future of politics. I am now exploring the path to become a Superdelegate.

    So Ybarra wants a cool twenty mil for his vote. How about a swift knee to the nuts? I don’t give a rat’s ass what his cause is he should be stripped of his super delegate status immediately.

  16. 16.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    I am just really trying to be on my best behavior.

    Sure, even more so now that you are officially working for the Obama campaign in West Virginia. I, on the other hand, don’t work for the Obama campaign and exist almost solely to stoke the slow burn of the Clinton folks. To let them off the hook for all their shit up to this point is akin to giving in to terrorists and will only incite the scorn of the hardball Clintards.

    Yes, some of it will seem sexist and some of it will seem misogynistic and whatfuckever. Why do we care about this when HRC’s sole stated reason for continuing the race has something to do with being white and hard-working? I actually don’t care if the Clinton supporters choose not to vote for Obama in November. I believe we win with either an Obama win in November or an Obama loss.

    You think she’s staying in to prevent Obama from being embarassed in WV and KY. It sounds nice but it is at complete odds with the campaign she has run so far AND her continuing rhetoric. In fact, I posit if she was able to both quit the race JUST to embarass Obama in WV and KY AND rejoin the race to steal the nomination she would do just that.

    I just can’t get behind any effort at censorship as it applies specifically to jacking up Clintards. I’m cool with all other censorship.

    Keep up the good work, JC!

  17. 17.

    Incertus

    May 9, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    I know we had an open thread for potential Veep nominees, but I write up some rules and suggestions for the process. Oh, and Salon’s version of the game is freaking stupid.

  18. 18.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    By the way- did Joe Wilson age 20 years in the past year…

    I would deeply appreciate being aged by Valerie Plame.

  19. 19.

    nightjar

    May 9, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    In the spirit of the new Detente, I thought a peace offering was in order. I’m so weepy.

  20. 20.

    SamFromUtah

    May 9, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    McCain’s competent execution of ideas I do NOT support would still be better for the country than an incompetent execution of ideas I do support.

    That’s on the short list for Stupidest Thing I Ever Read, and I read a lot. Seriously – competently starting wars, torturing people, and rolling back civil liberties would be better than a half-assed health care reform?

    This is textbook “varnished myself into a corner but I meant to do that” crap.

  21. 21.

    Doonhamer

    May 9, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I came across this at Wikipedia a few months ago while following random Constitutional law wikilinks (ever since my Business Law 1 class a few years ago, I’ve discovered a fascination with law; I should have been a lawyer, dammit). I thought it was pretty cool how a compact among the states could do an end-run around the Constitution. Then I forgot about it until a commenter at the Great Orange Satan mentioned it today. What does everyone else think?

  22. 22.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    McCain’s competent execution of ideas I do NOT support…

    The word “competent” assumes facts not in evidence.

  23. 23.

    Krista

    May 9, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    I think this is the future of politics. I am now exploring the path to become a Superdelegate.

    It’s probably much more rewarding than being a Superhero. I mean, yeah, you get to save people’s lives, but they only know the woman in the mask, not the real person. Plus, everybody starts expecting you to somehow be everywhere at once. Yes, okay, that old lady got her purse snatched while I was taking a nap. I had to sleep sometime.

    Now, all I have to offer is me. It’s better that way.

  24. 24.

    SamFromUtah

    May 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    The word “competent” assumes facts not in evidence.

    That, too. But I think McSame would be very competent at achieving the real purposes of his policies, if not the stated purposes. Like how the Iraq debacle has been a great success if you measure it by crony payoffs, brown people killed, political dissent squashed, etc. instead of by the bullshit reasons that were publicly aired.

  25. 25.

    Wilfred

    May 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    Nice group shot of Hillary’s core constituency of po’ whites, women and wankers

  26. 26.

    Incertus

    May 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    What does everyone else think?

    I’m a big fan, and I was pushing for it hard when I lived in California. Haven’t found much fertile ground for such a move here in Florida, sad to say.

  27. 27.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 9, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    I am just really trying to be on my best behavior.

    Sure, even more so now that you are officially working for the Obama campaign in West Virginia. I, on the other hand, don’t work for the Obama campaign and exist almost solely to stoke the slow burn of the Clinton folks. To let them off the hook for all their shit up to this point is akin to giving in to terrorists and will only incite the scorn of the hardball Clintards.

    …

    rAmen to that sentiment. Don’t worry John, you keep your nose clean and let us do ‘the dirty work’. /nod nod, wink wink

    I have no problem wanting those who support Hillary to go on and support Obama, but I will not kiss their asses after the deluge of bullshit that we have had to put up with for the last few months. It is not over yet, and now is not the time to start ‘making nice’. That time will come, but it ain’t here yet.

  28. 28.

    Krista

    May 9, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    Nice group shot of Hillary’s core constituency of po’ whites, women and wankers

    I feel sorry for that guy in the front. He looks rather defeated, doesn’t he?

  29. 29.

    r€nato

    May 9, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    why the hell would an older guy with such great hair, trade it for a buzz cut?

  30. 30.

    SamFromUtah

    May 9, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    I feel sorry for that guy in the front. He looks rather defeated, doesn’t he?

    The woman in the upper right, in the black sweater, is a dead-ringer for my mother in law. But no way in hell is it her – she’s a dyed-in-the-wool wingnut who thinks Richard Nixon was the greatest president EVAR (just edging out Reagan).

  31. 31.

    Frank

    May 9, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    As one of a certain age, I can say that, when one reaches a certain age, it all falls apart at once.

  32. 32.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 7:30 pm

    I have no problem wanting those who support Hillary to go on and support Obama, but I will not kiss their asses after the deluge of bullshit that we have had to put up with for the last few months. It is not over yet, and now is not the time to start ‘making nice’. That time will come, but it ain’t here yet.

    CL, you are clearly a survivor of the early thread wars when casual Obama enthusiasts were regularly eviscerated by the haughtiest trolls Clinton money could buy. I swore I’d spit on their loser carcasses when we triumphed.

  33. 33.

    Doonhamer

    May 9, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    Incertus Says:

    I’m a big fan, and I was pushing for it hard when I lived in California. Haven’t found much fertile ground for such a move here in Florida, sad to say.
    May 9th, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    I’m with you on it. No more “Gore got more!” situations, for either party or any candidate. It seems to have good bipartisan support and it’s making progress in all areas of the country (when I first stumbled across it, only MD had enacted it). The conservative mindset in FL might explain the lukewarm reception there?

  34. 34.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    The woman in the upper right, in the black sweater, is a dead-ringer for my mother in law. But no way in hell is it her – she’s a dyed-in-the-wool wingnut who thinks Richard Nixon was the greatest president EVAR (just edging out Reagan).

    Her expression reads “Day-um, it IS Richard Milhous Nixon back from the dead!”

  35. 35.

    w vincentz

    May 9, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    Ahhh…to paraphrase Scooter, “Fuck Valerie!”
    Can I get a commutation?
    Joey supports Hillshit, huh? Proof positive that these Refukagins will make one lose one’s mind, n’est pas?

  36. 36.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    It’s the hottie on his arm. She’s draining his man-juice!

  37. 37.

    Napoleon

    May 9, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    I came across this at Wikipedia a few months ago while following random Constitutional law wikilinks (ever since my Business Law 1 class a few years ago, I’ve discovered a fascination with law; I should have been a lawyer, dammit). I thought it was pretty cool how a compact among the states could do an end-run around the Constitution. Then I forgot about it until a commenter at the Great Orange Satan mentioned it today. What does everyone else think?

    The current Washington Monthly has an article on the idea which is pretty good. I like the idea.

  38. 38.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    May 9, 2008 at 7:45 pm

    Looks like Clinton has been Hanging With the Hard Working White Folk in Oregon. Here a little something from the shallow end of the gene pool:

    “I think it’s just great that she’s staying in,” Frisby told me. He isn’t a big fan of Obama. He’s heard Obama won’t sing the national anthem, that he considers it a war song. “How good an American could he be if that’s his way of thinking?” Frisby asked. “His patriotism goes one way—that’s his way.”

    How did Frisby hear about Obama’s dislike of the national anthem? You guess it: By email.

    And these people are Democrats.

  39. 39.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    I swore I’d spit on their loser carcasses when we triumphed.

    Better sit down while you’re waiting. Zombie Terminator Hillary can’t be stopped.

  40. 40.

    4tehlulz

    May 9, 2008 at 7:46 pm

    myiq2xu Says:

    oh shi-

  41. 41.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    myiq2xu Says:

    Turns out Myiq was full of shit when he said he’d still vote for Obama if he’s the nominee. Yes folks, Myiq is a swingnut after all.

    Zombie Terminator Hillary can’t be stopped.

    You’ll be delusional until the very end, won’t you?

  42. 42.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    May 9, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    myiq2xu Says:

    Yay! Let the games begin.

  43. 43.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 7:52 pm

    I came across this at Wikipedia a few months ago while following random Constitutional law wikilinks (ever since my Business Law 1 class a few years ago, I’ve discovered a fascination with law; I should have been a lawyer, dammit). I thought it was pretty cool how a compact among the states could do an end-run around the Constitution.

    It’s not an “end-run around the Constitution.” Right now almost all states are “winner take all” because they choose to be. The proposal only wants all 50 states to award their electoral votes differently.

    BTW – Did you know the Constitution doesn’t permit you to vote for the President?

  44. 44.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Better sit down while you’re waiting. Zombie Terminator Hillary can’t be stopped.

    Completely agree. Everyone is writing obituaries and no one is trying to put a wooden stake in her heart and decapitate her.

  45. 45.

    Walker

    May 9, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    So, John…

    Now that the WV primaries are coming up and you are volunteering in HQ, when do you get to meet the man himself?

  46. 46.

    Soylent Green

    May 9, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Everyone is writing obituaries and no one is trying to put a wooden stake in her heart and decapitate her.

    That’s vampires. Zombies you shoot in the head. Hillary you offer the vice presidency.

  47. 47.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Turns out Myiq was full of shit when he said he’d still vote for Obama if he’s the nominee.

    If he becomes the nominee, I will vote for him.

    He ain’t there yet.

  48. 48.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    Everyone is writing obituaries and no one is trying to put a wooden stake in her heart and decapitate her.

    That reminds me of Monty Python’s “Bring out your dead” skit.

  49. 49.

    Incertus

    May 9, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    It’s not an “end-run around the Constitution.” Right now almost all states are “winner take all” because they choose to be. The proposal only wants all 50 states to award their electoral votes differently.

    It’s not even looking for all 50 states. It’s looking for enough states to equal 270 electoral votes to join, and then they’ll all kick in together.

  50. 50.

    w vincentz

    May 9, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    First the good news:
    MyIQ is back.
    My Nigerian e-mail guy just told me how I can get half of the 20 million that he’s got in a bank account if I’ll help him out. Perhaps I should contribute to Hillary’s campaign while I’m at it, or at least tell her about my Nigerian friend.
    Hillay’s blood test came back. She doesn’t have ebola, just clap.
    The photo that Wilfred posted is pretty good. They look determined, resolved, a more than a bit, ugh…
    Now the bad news:
    I don’t know how to do a link so you’ll have to go to NewsforReal and read it yourselves.

  51. 51.

    KRK

    May 9, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Speaking of national anthems, ever since Tuesday night I keep spontaneously breaking into a few bars of “Lift Every Voice and Sing,” and I’m just a country white chick from the PNW.

    I couldn’t get it out of my head, so last night I went youtubing to see if I could find a nice performance of it. This one is the only professional quality performance of the full song I could find. Very nice, if a little vibrato-y at the start. This one is only the first couple of verses, an excerpt from the Wattstax festival documentary. Beautiful vocals by Kim Weston, with video images sure to make wingers (and Swingers(tm)) cower under their pillows.

  52. 52.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    May 9, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    We got NPV through one state Senate committee this past legislative session. Unfortunately the sponsor of the bill just died so we have to now find someone else.

  53. 53.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    If he becomes the nominee, I will vote for him.

    Funny, because I just saw on your blog a post titled “What Does Obama Need To Do To Get My Vote?” along with a list of required things Obama would have to get behind. Presumably, if he doesn’t, he won’t “get” your vote. I guess you were lying then, or now. Doesn’t surprise me.

    Hilariously, one of the complaints Myiq makes is that Obama has raised an “obscene” amount of money, and he favors more restrictions and public financing for primary candidates. So future candidates can’t “buy the nomination”. This from a Hillary supporter, who’s short on cash because her donor base were rich people who maxed out long ago. We just can’t let this travesty of Obama’s million small donors happen again!

  54. 54.

    Cain

    May 9, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Pfft. Why are you asking if John will meet Obama? I’m wondering if he’s scored a date yet with all those young women there yet! Don’t be shy, John. This is your chance to date a sane woman ;)

    cain

  55. 55.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Correction, Myiq advocates the party fund the candidates’ campaigns. Not the public in general. The humor value of Myiq’s desire to prevent another Obama fundraising machine still stands.

  56. 56.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Hillary you offer the vice presidency.

    He does that at his own peril. I won’t vote for him if she’s on the ticket. He was best my fourth or fifth pick. If he adds a congenital liar and character assassin to the ticket, he can forget my vote.

  57. 57.

    KRK

    May 9, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    The Grand Panjandrum Says:

    How did Frisby hear about Obama’s dislike of the national anthem? You guess it: By email.

    And these people are Democrats.

    McLatchy article yesterday: “Where did the Web rumors about Obama come from?” One guess who the unnamed retired CIA officer is.

  58. 58.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    For Cleek:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B7bVD_DkM4

  59. 59.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    McLatchy article yesterday: “Where did the Web rumors about Obama come from?” One guess who the unnamed retired CIA officer is.

    After seeing how much of an unmitigated nutcase he turned out to be, I’d say the CIA needs to tighten up its psychological standards for hiring and security clearances.

  60. 60.

    John Cole

    May 9, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    McLatchy article yesterday: “Where did the Web rumors about Obama come from?” One guess who the unnamed retired CIA officer is.

    Ratfuck piece of shit.

  61. 61.

    montysano

    May 9, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Dennis – SGMM Says:

    I would deeply appreciate being aged by Valerie Plame.

    Dennis wins.

    I know it’s wrong, but Valerie Plame…………. damn.

  62. 62.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:19 pm

    Ya know, just to knock down another one of HRC’s bullshit lies, white people could be the laziest fucks on the planet. I believe they want to work hard but their sense of entitlement prevents them from understanding why it’s necessary.

  63. 63.

    John Cole

    May 9, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    On Dan Abrams tonight on MSNBC, there was the best looking pundit I have seen ever named Tanya. Anyone know who she is?

    Smoking.

  64. 64.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:24 pm

    Hilariously, one of the complaints Myiq makes is that Obama has raised an “obscene” amount of money, and he favors more restrictions and public financing for primary candidates.

    Spoken like a true cheeto-binging Obamalama-ding-gong. Reading comprehension is a life skill, or were you intentionally misrepresenting what I wrote?

    Do you think it’s a good thing that Presidential candidates have to raise obscene amounts of money?

    Would Obama make your panties any less wet if he didn’t raise so much money?

  65. 65.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    On Dan Abrams tonight on MSNBC, there was the best looking pundit I have seen ever named Tanya.

    Harding?

  66. 66.

    Incertus

    May 9, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    He does that at his own peril. I won’t vote for him if she’s on the ticket. He was best my fourth or fifth pick. If he adds a congenital liar and character assassin to the ticket, he can forget my vote.

    So that makes you different from the Hillaryis44 people who’ve been emailing superdelegates threatening a vote for McCain if they don’t support Hillary how? Extortion is extortion. As extortion plots go, this one isn’t very scary, but still…

  67. 67.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    From that McClatchy article:

    One practitioner in Virginia, who hates Obama like a dog hates cats, led a reporter through his efforts. Because the man is a retired clandestine CIA officer, identifying him could endanger officers or operations that remain classified, so McClatchy will not reveal his name.

    This is ridiculous. We all know who it is. And he’s retired, and tells his name and former employer to absolutely anyone who will listen. He wanted to be anonymous for THIS story, so bullshitted McClatchy into not revealing his name for it, and McClatchy no doubt wanted to err on the side of caution. My hypothesis, anyway.

  68. 68.

    Krista

    May 9, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    That reminds me of Monty Python’s “Bring out your dead” skit.

    Heh. “I’m getting better!”

    “No you’re not, you’ll be stone dead in a minute.”

  69. 69.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Do you think it’s a good thing that Presidential candidates have to raise obscene amounts of money?

    My reading comprehension is just fine. We know who you were talking about. And if the situation were reversed, and Hillary was the fundraising goliath, and Obama was running out of money, you’d have the opposite opinion about Dem primary fundraising. Try to deny that, many here would enjoy the laugh.

  70. 70.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    And it’s typical of Myiq to dodge the point. You lied when you said you’d vote for Obama if he’s the nominee, or you just lied about 12 inches up this thread. But you’ll dodge it as usual.

  71. 71.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Try to deny that, many here would enjoy the laugh.

    That’s been my position for over two decades.

    Money corrupts politics.

  72. 72.

    Dreggas

    May 9, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter Says:

    Better sit down while you’re waiting. Zombie Terminator Hillary can’t be stopped.

    Completely agree. Everyone is writing obituaries and no one is trying to put a wooden stake in her heart and decapitate her.

    I have stakes, garlic, and a really big axe. If she is a zombie we can at least decapitate her.

  73. 73.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    So that makes you different from the Hillaryis44 people who’ve been emailing superdelegates threatening a vote for McCain if they don’t support Hillary how? Extortion is extortion. As extortion plots go, this one isn’t very scary, but still…

    I’m not trying to extort anyone. I didn’t invent the two-party sytem and I’m under no obligation to cynically support it. If you want my vote, earn it bitch.

  74. 74.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    That’s been my position for over two decades.

    Thanks! That was indeed funny. Because no one here is stupid enough to believe that if Hillary and Obama’s fundraising were reversed, you wouldn’t be tickled pink about the money in this race.

  75. 75.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    And it’s typical of Myiq to dodge the point.

    Your only point is at the top of your pinhead.

  76. 76.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    Your only point is at the top of your pinhead.

    So you won’t address the conflict between your comment up thread, and your blog post indicating if Obama doesn’t advocate your listed issues, he won’t “get” your vote.

    Not surprising. Slink away now.

  77. 77.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    I was jonesing for a couple of chili dogs to go with my beer when I got home but I didn’t have any chili so I’ve been cooking chili for the last two hours. Now that it’s almost done, I’m wavering between the chili dawgs and a chili-cheese baked potato.

  78. 78.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Because no one here is stupid enough to believe that if Hillary and Obama’s fundraising were reversed, you wouldn’t be tickled pink about the money in this race.

    I made comments in favor of campaign finance reform on this blog when Hillary was “inevitible” and had more money than everyone else.

    So fuck you and the pony that rode you in.

  79. 79.

    nightjar

    May 9, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    I will vote for Obama even if picks HC as his running mate. I think it would be a big mistake in the end, but he may feel it’s necessary to win and who am I to second guess such a move. This crazy ass intra party war was something I hated to see and participate in, but as they say realty often bites. You either submit to the will of The HC machine tactics or you fight. I’m not sure it’s over yet, but I hope so. Meanwhile, maybe we should invite the other side over for some virtual tea, or something.

  80. 80.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    I made comments in favor of campaign finance reform on this blog when Hillary was “inevitible” and had more money than everyone else.

    That was when you were pretending to support Edwards right? Or was it the one before Edwards?

  81. 81.

    Soylent Green

    May 9, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Hillary you offer the vice presidency.

    He does that at his own peril. I won’t vote for him if she’s on the ticket. He was best my fourth or fifth pick. If he adds a congenital liar and character assassin to the ticket, he can forget my vote.

    It’s how you get her people on board, in theory anyway. She is expected to refuse; the offer is an honorarium that lets her and her followers save face, while making the offer helps Obama look magnanimous. Both her ego and political future are better served by angling for Senate majority leader, not by playing second fiddle in the White House. I’m almost positive she doesn’t want it, although her saner supporters are actively lobbying for it now.

    If she accepts it, well, that’s really not a reason not to put Obama in office. And Hillary would make an okay veep if that’s how it goes down. And he may be fine with it, in which case I will support his decision. Seriously, we all need to dispense with reasons not to vote for Obama.

  82. 82.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    So fuck you and the pony that rode you in.

    Fact: Myiq says “If he becomes the nominee, I will vote for him.”

    Fact: Myiq wrote a blog post titled “What Does Obama Need To Do To Get My Vote?” along with a list of required things Obama would have to get behind to “get” his vote. So if Obama doesn’t, no Myiq vote.

    So you lied with one of those.

  83. 83.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    This crazy ass intra party war was something I hated to see and participate in,

    They started the war and now they magically proscribe the solution? Fuck that.

  84. 84.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Chili-cheese baked potato. There is no finer food.

  85. 85.

    John Cole

    May 9, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Chili dog with cole slaw. Best dog ever.

  86. 86.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Now that it’s almost done, I’m wavering between the chili dawgs and a chili-cheese baked potato.

    Have the dogs now but put the spud on to bake as well. You’ll be glad that you did.

  87. 87.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    Slink away now

    You think you’re witty. You’re half right.

  88. 88.

    Dreggas

    May 9, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    Q: What do you call a bullimic vegetarian?

    A: A salad shooter

  89. 89.

    Krista

    May 9, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    New BSG on in 15 minutes. Ohboyohboyohboy!

    Plus, I finally managed to get YouTube working for me again. Stupid IE7. Stupid Flash.

  90. 90.

    Shygetz

    May 9, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    That’s been my position for over two decades.

    Money corrupts politics.

    And yet isn’t Hillary the candidate of choice for stone-cold realists who know that the status quo will never change? And what does it say that Obama has raised so much money, while the candidate of the stone-cold realist faction is having to loan herself money?

  91. 91.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Both her ego and political future are better served by angling for Senate majority leader, not by playing second fiddle in the White House.

    Clinton’s political future has narrowed to lunching with Joe Lieberman until she is unseated by a Democrat in ’12.

  92. 92.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    You think you’re witty. You’re half right.

    How about explaining your lying? That’s right, na ga ha pen.

  93. 93.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Had a guy in my local strip shopping center once that made a long toughskin dog with fried potatoes and green peppers. Most delicious. Cole slaw, that sounds disgusting on a hot dog. (The cabbage part, not the Cole part.)

    I’m going with the chili dogs because I follow through. I may have the chili-cheese potato tomorrow. Fucked myself up catching a 32 foot ladder so I can’t eat like I used to.

  94. 94.

    Dreggas

    May 9, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    There’s a place here in Cal called “Jerry’s Dogs”. They make their own hot dogs, sausages, etc. Steam them in beer then grill them over a wood fire. They have a wall of toppings to choose from and make their own fries and homemade potato chips as well as chili. Best. Stuff. Ever.

  95. 95.

    nightjar

    May 9, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    They started the war and now they magically proscribe the solution? Fuck that.

    I feel the same way, JSF, but I think John is right in that Obama is assured the nomination regardless of whether or not HC and her supporters stand down. Even the Clinton Machine can’t defy the supers and other elder statesmen. However, others will need to do the work of cajoling and walking them slowly over to Obama’s side, I’m just not in the mood today–maybe later but not now. Meantime, the truce is on, as least speaking for myself.

  96. 96.

    Tom S

    May 9, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    Compromise:

    Split the baked potato, put the hot dog in, cover with chili and cheese. Add a millimeter of plaque to your aorta.

  97. 97.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    There’s a place here in Cal called “Jerry’s Dogs”. They make their own hot dogs, sausages, etc. Steam them in beer then grill them over a wood fire. They have a wall of toppings to choose from and make their own fries and homemade potato chips as well as chili. Best. Stuff. Ever.

    That sounds phenomenal. I think I’ll steam my dogs in beer. Thanks for the tip.

  98. 98.

    Krista

    May 9, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Cole slaw, that sounds disgusting on a hot dog. (The cabbage part, not the Cole part.)

    You know what I used to love eating on hot dogs when I was a little kid? Peanut butter.

    I know, it sounds disgusting, but it’s actually really good.

  99. 99.

    Soylent Green

    May 9, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Clinton’s political future has narrowed to lunching with Joe Lieberman until she is unseated by a Democrat in ‘12.

    The weird thing about politics is that no matter how execrable your behavior or performance, you still have a future if you have the backing. Hillary has the backing. Go figure.

    You’re right that New Yorkers might not provide enough of it.

  100. 100.

    Dreggas

    May 9, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter Says:

    That sounds phenomenal. I think I’ll steam my dogs in beer. Thanks for the tip.

    They are really good, never steamed em that way myself. Now I wand Hot dogs LOL!

  101. 101.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    You know what I used to love eating on hot dogs when I was a little kid? Peanut butter.

    When yer a kid everything is good with peanut butter on it. How about now? Prolly not so much.

  102. 102.

    oh really

    May 9, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    JOHN COLE: I am just really trying to be on my best behavior.

    I suggest a 12,000 step program. You’ll be so busy completing the steps, you won’t have any time to be bad.

  103. 103.

    John S.

    May 9, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Myiq wrote a blog post titled “What Does Obama Need To Do To Get My Vote?”

    Come now, aren’t you hip to the game?

    Myiq has to throw the appropriate red meat to whatever crowd he is hoping will bite — depending on the forum.

    He’s the consummate blogwhore looking for attention, so he does what he must.

  104. 104.

    Voice of Reason

    May 9, 2008 at 9:15 pm

    Valerie Plame is still the stuff that spy-fantasies are made of.

  105. 105.

    Soylent Green

    May 9, 2008 at 9:19 pm

    Bill Clinton on the stump is starting to sound like an SNL parody of Bill Clinton. And he looks exhausted. Get this poor man a barcalounger and some french fries.

  106. 106.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Bill Clinton on the stump is starting to sound like an SNL parody of Bill Clinton. And he looks exhausted. Get this poor man a barcalounger and some french fries.

    Someone was in my office this morning swearing that he’s mainlining junk food again. At least food doesn’t blame him for fucking up it’s whole campaign.

    Ya know what? I had those two chili dawgs with lots of onion and brown mustard and damn if I don’t want that potato now.

  107. 107.

    AkaDad

    May 9, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Obama/Feingold ’08

  108. 108.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Bill Clinton on the stump is starting to sound like an SNL parody of Bill Clinton. And he looks exhausted. Get this poor man a barcalounger and some french fries.

    Ironically, Bill Clinton, red-faced, dissembling and argumentative, provides the best argument against McCain. Like McCain, Clinton isn’t the man that he was in prior elections. Like McCain, Clinton never was the man that he was in prior elections.

  109. 109.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    He’s the consummate blogwhore looking for attention, so he does what he must.

    What’s yer excuse, bukkake boy?

  110. 110.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Obama/Feingold ‘08

    Obama/Daschle

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

  111. 111.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Ya know what? I had those two chili dawgs with lots of onion and brown mustard and damn if I don’t want that potato now.

    Told ya.

  112. 112.

    John S.

    May 9, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    What’s yer excuse, bukkake boy?

    Aww, I stwuck a nerve. Poor widdle fella.

  113. 113.

    montysano

    May 9, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    I’ve been hanging around here for a while, but never wandered over to myiq’s digs. For his cautionary tale about the Cult of Obama, he chose to drag out…… “Ozymandias“? Really?

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert…………..

    Quite a stretch there, friend.

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert………….. they belonged to some colored fella named Obama, Who for his britches got too big.

    Better?

  114. 114.

    KCinDC

    May 9, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    JSF, clearly what you want is a chili-topped version of Larry Craig’s Super Tuber.

  115. 115.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Told ya.

    You nailed it. But I’ve waited it out and my full stomach sensor is kicking in. But Krista’s got me thinking about peanut butter now and I think there may be some old halloween candy in the cupboard…..

  116. 116.

    Rick Taylor

    May 9, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    McCain lies badly.

  117. 117.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 9, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Ooooo, likes me some “Ozymandias” variations.

    “I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: A vast and mindless bum of stone
    Stands in the desert…”

  118. 118.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    JSF, clearly what you want is a chili-topped version of Larry Craig’s Super Tuber.

    lolz… and I threw up a little bit in my mouth.

  119. 119.

    montysano

    May 9, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    JSF, clearly what you want is a chili-topped version of Larry Craig’s Super Tuber.

    Shit. I clicked the link. I’m speechless. Larry suggests that you cut an orifice into a potato and then sliiiiide some tube meat in.

  120. 120.

    myiq2xu

    May 9, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Who said: A vast and mindless bum of stone
    Stands in the desert…”

    A victim of “Weapons of Ass Destruction?”

  121. 121.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Shit. I clicked the link. I’m speechless. Larry suggests that you cut an orifice into a potato and then sliiiiide some tube meat in.

    Who’s got room in bathroom stall to make that kind of meal?

  122. 122.

    RSA

    May 9, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    Maybe it is just the hair cut, although he has gone through a lot of bullshit in the past few years.

    Personal experience has demonstrated to me that a couple of years of stress can turn someone’s hair from mostly black to mostly white. Or maybe it’s just genetics.

  123. 123.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 9, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    He’s the consummate blogwhore looking for attention, so he does what blows who he must.

    Fixed.

    Don’t let NoIQ get yer goat. You won’t like what he does to it. ;)

  124. 124.

    funfunfun

    May 9, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    nothing chases out the trolls like user accounts and threaded comments

  125. 125.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    nothing chases out the trolls like user accounts and threaded comments

    Yeah but that shit also drives me away.. wait- Hmm.

  126. 126.

    The Other Steve

    May 9, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Obama/Daschle

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    That’s right boys and girls. If you want REAL CHANGE! Vote Hillary/McAuliffe!

  127. 127.

    Krista

    May 9, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Bill Clinton on the stump is starting to sound like an SNL parody of Bill Clinton. And he looks exhausted. Get this poor man a barcalounger and some french fries.

    This looks like a comfy barcalounger.

    But it would probably eat your french fries.

  128. 128.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Vote Hillary/McAuliffe!

    JC, how about an open thread to speculate on HRC’s VP pick? I’m going with the ghost of Joe McCarthy. Or if the HRC folks are interested in party unity, some random black dude because that’s practically the same thing as Obama.

  129. 129.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    Cleek, diediediediediedie!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VUhm9Tggr0

  130. 130.

    KCinDC

    May 9, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    some random black dude

    Alan Keyes is no longer a Republican, so maybe he’ll do.

  131. 131.

    KCinDC

    May 9, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    Larry Johnson is denying on his blog that he’s the unnamed retired CIA officer. I’d link, but I’m still recovering from the brain damage I incurred reading the comments there, and I don’t want to subject anyone else to it.

  132. 132.

    Just Some Fuckhead Hard-Working White Clinton Supporter

    May 9, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Alan Keyes is no longer a Republican, so maybe he’ll do.

    She can avoid a split ticket that way.

  133. 133.

    empty

    May 9, 2008 at 10:33 pm

    Your only point is at the top of your pinhead.

    Ted the pinhead. Hey cool!

  134. 134.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    nothing chases out the trolls like user accounts and threaded comments

    Yeah, but the trolls can be fun. One of the big drawbacks of TBogg’s new place is that when he mocks conservative bloggers, they no longer show up in his comments and make themselves look more ridiculous. Goldstein, anyone? Ace? They don’t get to respond anymore :(

  135. 135.

    Ted

    May 9, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    Ted the pinhead. Hey cool!

    Wish I was that easily amused.

  136. 136.

    OriGuy

    May 9, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    On Dan Abrams tonight on MSNBC, there was the best looking pundit I have seen ever named Tanya. Anyone know who she is?

    Tanya Acker

  137. 137.

    Ninerdave

    May 9, 2008 at 11:44 pm

    Guilty pleasure?

    Wine and watching Tom Jones on DirecTv channel 101.

  138. 138.

    Cain

    May 10, 2008 at 12:19 am

    Huffington Post has some stuff about Obama considering to help Hillary out with her dept. Personally I have mixed feelings. I think though in the end, having Obama help her out is probably the best course in the name of unity. It’ll help him in with her supporters especially in the old blue states like Pennsylvania.

    Having the Clintons on the offensive against McCain and Republicans might be good provided they have all new advisors rather than the asses they have now. Truly they’ve got some really bad people around them.

    True Mark Penn under a bus, and let’s move on and kick McCain’s ass…

    cain

  139. 139.

    myiq2xu

    May 10, 2008 at 12:43 am

    Hillary don’t need help, she’s in it to win it!

  140. 140.

    Cain

    May 10, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Hillary don’t need help, she’s in it to win it!

    OK, then she can pay her own damn debts!

    cain

  141. 141.

    Phoebe

    May 10, 2008 at 3:10 am

    No to debt retirement. No. Let her pay it. She accrued it. She can afford it. My money to go to Mark Penn and flyers that say Obama voted present on reproductive freedom, blah blah blah? No no no no no!

  142. 142.

    Richard Bottoms

    May 10, 2008 at 3:39 am

    If you look real close you can see me sitting behind Gina Gershon in Best of the Best 3 as R. Lee Ermey is ranting in the town hall scene. My first extra role.

  143. 143.

    Mwangangi

    May 10, 2008 at 5:05 am

    Ya know? I’ve been reading this blog for a minute (the preceding is a slang term meaning I haven’t been here since the genesis, but have been here for awhile). I disagree with myiq2xu pretty much 90% of the time, but I’m glad he’s here. Yeah he asserts some off the wall shit, but I respect the dogged determination with which he spews it. He truly epitomizes his candidate of choice. I suppose this is my democratic unity comment. It may seem sarcastic, but I think his presence adds to my enjoyment of this blog. Also, the Wil Wheaton/Star Trek/BSG (even though I can’t get into it), BDSM and other tangent type crap y’all get into is funny. That and John Cole’s barely checked rhetorical rage.

    Good lookin’ out.

  144. 144.

    ice

    May 10, 2008 at 6:14 am

    This is off-topic, but I just want to say that this comment from John (in the endless Sadly, No thread) is awesome. Seriously. In the putting your money where your mouth is way.

    And I share the perspective on Hillary. She’s been treated very unfairly by the media, and it makes me want to sympathize with her, but then she pulls the shit she has and I just think what a horrible person.

    John Cole said,

    May 8, 2008 at 20:51

    Earlier upthread you questioned John Cole’s credibility because he was once a republican.

    Not that I really care what some jackass commenter cares about my credibility, but you know, I think my actions speak for themselves. I have helped to raise almost 20k for the Democratic candidate. I am volunteering for the likely Democratic nominee. I have gone door to door for the almost certain Democratic nominee. I am, in an hour, walking down to the campaign HQ to phone bank for another three hours today for the Democratic candidate, even though this is the busiest damned time of the year for me. I will, in all likelihood, continue to do so throughout November.

    Why?

    Not because I hate Hillary Clinton, but because beating John McCain is that god damned important. I don’t know how I establish my street cred with some of you folks, and nor do I really care, but I am thinking my actions are probably a little more important in the big scheme of things than constructing internet arguments displaying my loyalty to the Democratic Party. Truth be told, I am probably not that loyal to the Democratic party- if they start acting like total wankers like the GOP, and I will leave you in a minute, too.

    Beating John McCain is what counts. It really is that simple. If you want to to continue the same hideous economic policies that brought us an almost half-trillion dollar annual deficit (but hey, McMavericky Straight Talk might cut 2 billion in earkamrks!), vote for McCain or sit out because Hillary did not win. You want the shit in Iraq to continue, as is, ad infinitum, vote for McCain or sit out because Hillary was the victim if sexist attacks from Chris Matthews. If you want Ruth Bader and others replaced with Clarence Thomas #2 and #3, vote for John McCain or sit out.

    I don’t know how to make this any clearer to you. If you sit out or vote McCain, you are part of the problem. Period.

    As to Clinton, do I hate her now? Yeah. And that probably is in part due to my baggage from being a Gooper fool in the 90’s. However, when I left the GOP and joined the Democrats last October, Hillary was Mrs. Inevitable. It was a foregone conclusion I would be voting for her. The first thing I did as a new Democrat was… DEFEND HILLARY from bullshit when people were piling on her about driver’s license for illegals. I thought Dodd and Obama pulled some bullshit there.

    You remember how that ended, don’t you? She caved and left Spitzer’s dick hanging in the wind- that must have just been the fighter in her, amirite?

    I only turned hard on Hillary when her campaign started acting like the Republican party I left. After the “this state doesn’t count” or the multiple layers of bullshit and direct insults to my intelligence stacked up. That is when I finally had enough. Since then, it has just gotten worse, with nonstop bullshit about Rev. Wright and how black voters aren’t as important as white voters and god knows what else.

    Regardless, it does not matter. Hillary is not the candidate, Obama will be. So, you have a choice- vote for him, or enjoy the next 4 years of McSame. Your call.

  145. 145.

    nationia

    May 10, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Just the other day a good friend got a haircut exactly like Joe’s. (It doesn’t suit either of them, in my opinion.) My friend said it’s a popular style now for men with pattern baldness. Let it grow out, boys, that’s what I say. Nothing wrong with a comb over. Just ask the Donald.

  146. 146.

    Zuzu

    May 10, 2008 at 11:25 am

    You know what I used to love eating on hot dogs when I was a little kid? Peanut butter.

    I know, it sounds disgusting, but it’s actually really good.

    Peanut butter and pickle sandwiches. Dee-lish.

    Must be real peanut butter, though. None of that homogenized pretend stuff.

  147. 147.

    Dave_Violence

    May 10, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    and rolling back civil liberties

    The attacks (pretty successful, too) on my civil liberties of late seem to come from the Democrats.

    Hate Crimes Laws – about as anti-Free Speech as it gets. What’s next? Thought police?

    Gun Control – heck, the right to bear arms is explicit in the Bill of Rights.

    So… Hillary!, in her latest “surge” seems to support gun rights (unlike BO) and she’s committing hate crimes – civil disobedience? – in her public appeal to white people to vote for her because a black candidate won’t care about white people.

  148. 148.

    Zuzu

    May 10, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    Hate Crimes Laws – about as anti-Free Speech as it gets. What’s next? Thought police?

    ….

    So… Hillary!, in her latest “surge” seems to support gun rights (unlike BO) and she’s committing hate crimes – civil disobedience? – in her public appeal to white people to vote for her because a black candidate won’t care about white people.

    How about you give an example of a law that defines hate crime apart from an identifiable criminal act?

  149. 149.

    Zuzu

    May 10, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Hate Crimes Laws – about as anti-Free Speech as it gets. What’s next? Thought police?

    ….

    So… Hillary!, in her latest “surge” seems to support gun rights (unlike BO) and she’s committing hate crimes – civil disobedience? – in her public appeal to white people to vote for her because a black candidate won’t care about white people.

    How about you give an example of a law that defines hate crime apart from an identifiable act?

  150. 150.

    Zuzu

    May 10, 2008 at 12:41 pm

    Oops. Sorry for the repeat.

  151. 151.

    Darkness

    May 10, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    As to the question on the before and after pics…

    It’s the difference between the Alan Rickman haircut and not the Alan Rickman haircut.

    Let this be a warning to you Rickman, you sexy dog you.

  152. 152.

    Richard Bottoms

    May 10, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Did I ever mention that Mrs. Wilson is a serious babe.

  153. 153.

    Jill

    May 10, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    He looks ill to me. Of course, having to shill for Hillary would suck the life out of anyone.

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