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Open Thread

by John Cole|  May 14, 20085:50 pm| 254 Comments

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Edwards endorses Obama.

What about his delegates? Anyone have any idea how that will play out?

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  1. 1.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Edwards delegates can support whoever they want to.

  2. 2.

    torrentprime

    May 14, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    According to politico:

    Pledged delegates aren’t bound to their vote, so they can now switch to Obama — as they will likely do, at Edwards’ urging. But there’s also nothing keeping them from choosing Clinton. As of now, their situation is analogous to that of superdelegates.

  3. 3.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    That was a pretty electrifying entrance when Obama brought Edwards up to the stage.

  4. 4.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    And crying funny when Edwards asked rhetorically in the middle of his speech, “Why are we here tonight?” and the crowd interrupted him and chanted “O-bam-a O-bam-a O-bam-a..”

    Rowdy crowd, booed HRC.

  5. 5.

    BethanyAnne

    May 14, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    I don’t think it will much matter, as this race is *over*. But… but… Puerto Rico!

    Yeah, yeah. It’s over.

    Watching the chaos at TL sure is fun, tho. Half of them are tearing out their hair, and half of them are denouncing Edwards.

    /grabs a bag of popcorn

  6. 6.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    How bad is the carnage at TL, Taylor Marsh, Noquarter, and HILLIS44.org?

    Are we at train wreck status yet?

  7. 7.

    zzyzx

    May 14, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    I love that he went for the Jet Ski joke.

  8. 8.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Not getting the jet ski joke.

  9. 9.

    Fe E

    May 14, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    I think this was a crafty part of MUP’s plan–this will likely knock WV out of the news.

    On the other hand, this is good news for Republicnas.

  10. 10.

    BFR

    May 14, 2008 at 5:58 pm

    Are we at train wreck status yet?

    I was scanning the site and…it’s AWESOME! (For Hillary of course).

  11. 11.

    cleek

    May 14, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Jeralyn @ TL:

    So this is about ending the race, not about who would be a better President.or who can better beat McCain.

    frankly, i think she’s right.

  12. 12.

    Fe E

    May 14, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    There’s nothing sweeter than scanning the preview of your post, changing one or two things, hitting submit and THEN seeing that one last typo.

    Shucks.

  13. 13.

    cleek

    May 14, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    lemme clarify: i think that’s probably why Edwards waited so long. he probably doesn’t really like either of them (or he would’ve done it sooner). now, he just wants to get this thing over before the party cracks in half.

  14. 14.

    EddieInCA

    May 14, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    On TalkLeft, they’re trashing Edwards non-stop, and talking about how Hillary has to continue on.

  15. 15.

    Cain

    May 14, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    So, I’m going to assume that this is the turning point for myiq2xu cuz he was an Edwards supporter. Now that his candidate is supporting Obama, I guess that means that he’s going to ride the pony. Right, myiq2xu?

    cain

  16. 16.

    demkat620

    May 14, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Couple weeks ago Edwards joked that a jetski would be a good way to get his endorsement.

    Here

  17. 17.

    Perry Como

    May 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Someone got pwned.

  18. 18.

    zzyzx

    May 14, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    It was his joke from Colbert. Want my endorsement? Give me a jet ski!

  19. 19.

    SGEW

    May 14, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Not getting the jet ski joke.

    When he appeared on The Colbert Report, Edwards said that he would endorse whomever gave him a jet ski.

  20. 20.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    frankly, i think she’s right.

    Was Jeralyn this upset four years ago when we nominated a trainwreck of a candidate, Kerry?

  21. 21.

    PeterJ

    May 14, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    Not getting the jet ski joke.

    Edw0rds

  22. 22.

    SGEW

    May 14, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Beaten to it! Slinking back into the background, again.

  23. 23.

    yet another jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Since Idiotic only posts at TPM…I’ll go ahead and say it.

    THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!!!!

  24. 24.

    Cols714

    May 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    I truly hope that Talk Left comes back to planet earth after the primary. BTD was one of my favorite bloggers from the time when he was at Kos.

  25. 25.

    Andrei

    May 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Are we at train wreck status yet?

    Depends… does “To the Democractic Party: Go fuck yourselves” qualify?

  26. 26.

    Mwangangi

    May 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    As someone @ TGOS said, “…I though the convention was in August…”

  27. 27.

    PeterJ

    May 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    On TalkLeft, they’re trashing Edwards non-stop, and talking about how Hillary has to continue on.

    I’m guessing the GOP spoofs over there are doing whatever they can for a final push before leaving that sinking ship.

  28. 28.

    flavortext

    May 14, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    This Edwards supporter is smiling mighty wide right now.

    Very likely he is going to direct his delegates toward Barack Obama, and I have little doubt all 19 are going to follow his lead. I couldn’t find John Edwards in the superdelegate list, so it’s only +19. That gives (if you’re following the Kos count) 1905 delegates for Obama to Clinton’s 1717, a 188 delegate difference – more than neutralizing WV.

    However I remember reading that according to party rules, pledged delegates must vote for their pledged candidate on the first round of voting but are free to change their vote in all subsequent rounds – so the Edwards delegates might not even get the chance to make a difference if other superdelegates and Oregon put Obama over the top.

  29. 29.

    Gold Star for Robot Boy

    May 14, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    From TL’s comments:

    We Have Been Had
    The Coup is On
    Women are being sold everyday now by the party and its leadership

  30. 30.

    yet another jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    What the hell? Damn WordPress stole my exclamation marks!

    “THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!! FOR HILLARY!”

  31. 31.

    Genine

    May 14, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    On MSNBC, they said that Edwards would bring 18 delegates with him which would wipe out the 12 Clinton gained in WV. I don’t know how that works exactly.

  32. 32.

    thefncrow

    May 14, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Not getting the jet ski joke.

    It was about Edwards’ appearance on The Colbert Report. He did Stephen’s The Word segment(where it was changed to Edwords) and proclaimed that he would endorse whoever would buy him a jet ski, because jet skis were awesome.

    As for TL, well, even though this is a familiar face, I think this may sum it all up:

    I think that Edwards… (none / 0) (#223)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:15:46 PM EST
    knows that the Obama ship is going down… and his endorsement is in exchange for Obama’s support for the nomination when SDs start deserting Obama, and rather than face ignomineous defeat, bows out “for the good of the party” and endorses edwards.

    Edwards’ endorsement wasn’t an actual endorsement, but was instead Obama getting behind Edwards so that when he loses, and how that’s not established whatsoever, maybe from the votes held in the Mirror World, Obama will bow out and give the nomination to Edwards, which, of course, he can do, since we just established that Obama was going to lose and so he gets to appoint the winner.

    I, just… wow.

  33. 33.

    Zifnab

    May 14, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    That was the best “Word” segment I’ve seen in a while.

  34. 34.

    Rick Taylor

    May 14, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    lemme clarify: i think that’s probably why Edwards waited so long. he probably doesn’t really like either of them (or he would’ve done it sooner). now, he just wants to get this thing over before the party cracks in half.

    I remember his interview where he was asked about hard working white people. He did an excellent job of answering, no of course she didn’t mean it in a divisive way, but he couldn’t have been happy being put on the spot. And he kept saying over and over of course she could stay in the race, so long as she stressed her positives and didn’t attack the likely nominee. This was clearly coming. I can’t imagine he’s been happy with her machinations involving Michigan and Florida either. I’ll bet there are a fair number of super-delegates now who are staying quiet so as not to be divisive, but who are unhappy about it too.

  35. 35.

    yet another jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    Oh hell…

    Fine, I’ll play it this way then…

    WOMEN BEING SOLD EVERY DAY BY THE PARTY IS EXCELLENT NEWS!!
    FOR HILLARY!!

  36. 36.

    Warren Terra

    May 14, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    On TalkLeft, they’re trashing Edwards non-stop, and talking about how Hillary has to continue on being TalkLeft.

    fixt.

  37. 37.

    TR

    May 14, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    CNN and MSNBC are covering all this, as they should.

    Faux is busy letting us know an earthquake struck China two days ago.

  38. 38.

    yet another jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    I figure there are a lot of super-delegates staying quiet because they’re afraid the Clintons will send them to the cornfield if they don’t think happy thoughts.

  39. 39.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Here’s a His44 taste. Grimace accordingly:

    we are a HUGE voting block!!! WE HAVE CONTROL AND THEY KNOW IT!

    bo may get his STOLEN NOMINATION……..but he will NEVER!!! EVER!!!! GET THE CROWN!!!

  40. 40.

    His Grace

    May 14, 2008 at 6:14 pm

    Today I learned from Talk Left that Edward’s endorsement was because of “the old boys club.” So yes, trainwreck.

  41. 41.

    PeterJ

    May 14, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    On Talk Left, Talk is now the only thing they got Left.

  42. 42.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    And I’ll be accused of being sexist for quoting this His44.com commenter:

    I NEED FREAKING CHEESECAKE
    JUST WHEN I MANAGED TO LOOSE 5 POUNDS FROM MY BUTT

    I AM SICK OF THIS STUPID MEN WORLD,,DNC,,AND OBAMAS FEVER

  43. 43.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    ..but he will NEVER EVER! GET THE CROWN

    Says it all, doesn’t it?

  44. 44.

    Warren Terra

    May 14, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    From Jeralyn’s post:

    If you didn’t know he was going to endorse Obama, you would have no idea he wasn’t going to end by endorsing Hillary.
    ….
    It could just as easily have been Hillary standing next to him receiving the endorsement.

    Why, I’m sure if the Hillosphere loyalists scrunch their eyes up tightly enough and hum loudly enough, it will be.

  45. 45.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    Says it all, doesn’t it?

    Yeah, apparently they think Hillary is running for Queen of something.

  46. 46.

    vwcat

    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    The delegates will go to Obama but, they can chose not to. I don’t see why they won’t however.
    I was watching the endorsement on MSNBC and now Buchanan is running his mouth and I am ready to smash my fits through the tv unless they tape his mouth up.
    Cannot stand that guy.

  47. 47.

    AkaDad

    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    John McCain: Older Than FM Radio

  48. 48.

    yet another jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    The Crown? But of course he gets the crown, for he has the mark of the purple pimpernel.

    But who gets the car? Jesse Jackson gets the car, of course. Thank you for playing “The Question is Moot!”

  49. 49.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    Maybe we should have an official “document the drama” thread of watching their heads explode.

  50. 50.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    So sad.

    And I don’t even care for Edwards, but Jesus.

    I swear to God I was never this far gone. My mistakes were more tragic, but fuck, I at least retained the ability to self-evaluate and draw some lines. These people have fucking lost it.

  51. 51.

    cleek

    May 14, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    I AM SICK OF THIS STUPID MEN WORLD,,DNC,,AND OBAMAS FEVER

    well, at least they’re acting like reasonable, rational adults.

  52. 52.

    PeterJ

    May 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    This Edwards supporter is smiling mighty wide right now.

    Very likely he is going to direct his delegates toward Barack Obama, and I have little doubt all 19 are going to follow his lead. I couldn’t find John Edwards in the superdelegate list, so it’s only +19. That gives (if you’re following the Kos count) 1905 delegates for Obama to Clinton’s 1717, a 188 delegate difference – more than neutralizing WV.

    However I remember reading that according to party rules, pledged delegates must vote for their pledged candidate on the first round of voting but are free to change their vote in all subsequent rounds – so the Edwards delegates might not even get the chance to make a difference if other superdelegates and Oregon put Obama over the top.

    To my understanding, pledge deleates are allowed to switch even before the first round of voting. (And that’s a very stupid rule…)

    Anyway, Edwards also got 13 delegates from Florida and the 55 uncommited delegates in Michigan are either Obama or Edwards delegates.
    So this would make it a lot easier to seat those two states, since Clinton would gain only 43 delegates so Florida and Michigan would have little impact on the primary. (Not saying they should be seated yet though.)

  53. 53.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Pat Buchannan just referred to Obama as Adlai. No shit.

  54. 54.

    Apsaras

    May 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    Holy hell Pat Buchanan is losing his goddamn mind on Hardball.

    Well, I mean, his facade of sanity is cracking but it’s still awesome.

  55. 55.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    I NEED FREAKING CHEESECAKE
    JUST WHEN I MANAGED TO LOOSE 5 POUNDS FROM MY BUTT

    I AM SICK OF THIS STUPID MEN WORLD,,DNC,,AND OBAMAS FEVER

    lolz

  56. 56.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    Please get Pat Buchanan off my fucking TV.

  57. 57.

    Genine

    May 14, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    vwcat Says:

    The delegates will go to Obama but, they can chose not to. I don’t see why they won’t however.
    I was watching the endorsement on MSNBC and now Buchanan is running his mouth and I am ready to smash my fits through the tv unless they tape his mouth up.
    Cannot stand that guy.

    I’m with you there. It’s so very annoying. All this horse race stuff is.

  58. 58.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    John Cole Says:

    So sad.

    And I don’t even care for Edwards, but Jesus.

    I swear to God I was never this far gone. My mistakes were more tragic, but fuck, I at least retained the ability to self-evaluate and draw some lines. These people have fucking lost it.

    Well….DUH!

  59. 59.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    He really has lost it. If someone had told me a few months ago that Pat Buchannan would become Hillary’s champion in this race, I would have died laughing. It’s FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC!

  60. 60.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Pat Buchannan just said that Obama is winning cause he’s black. Wow…

  61. 61.

    Apsaras

    May 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Pat’s playing the old “White people refusing to vote for a black person is exactly as racist as a black person voting for a black person.”

    It’s like the assholes who honestly can’t understand why there isn’t a “White Entertainment Television”

  62. 62.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    TheFountainHead Says:

    He really has lost it. If someone had told me a few months ago that Pat Buchannan would become Hillary’s champion in this race, I would have died laughing. It’s FAN-FUCKING-TASTIC!

    It’s not a surprise, I mean c’mon Pat wants to keep his job and the surest way to do so is have another clinton in the WH. He also knows, as do most of the repukes, that Obama will be hard to beat.

  63. 63.

    Mwangangi

    May 14, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    Timmeh is really going out on a limb to refute Pat. As an African-American I must say it is always interesting to see non AA’s argue about race wrt AA’s.

  64. 64.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:29 pm

    Even Chris Matthews doesn’t even know what to do with him.

  65. 65.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    TheFountainHead Says:

    Pat Buchannan just said that Obama is winning cause he’s black. Wow…

    Pat and Ferraro sitting in a tree…

    I just threw up in my mouth a little…

  66. 66.

    jnfr

    May 14, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    John’s speech was excellent as always. I liked that he started out with a strong appreciation of Hillary, that was very gracious. And as always, he’s the populist in the race. I’d really love to see him as A.G.; I think there’s a lot of criminal activity in the present administration that could use some cleansing.

  67. 67.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 6:31 pm

    Apsaras Says:

    Holy hell Pat Buchanan is losing his goddamn mind on Hardball.

    Well, I mean, his facade of sanity is cracking but it’s still awesome.

    How is it that someone with the poor political judgment to publicly characterize American cars as “lemons,” who then bought a Mercedes-Benz and drove it to a campaign appearance in Detroit, find a place on television as a political commentator?

  68. 68.

    cleek

    May 14, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    here’s a nice one from no-1/4:

    In the next month or two the William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn thermonuclear fiasco will finally break as a national story right before the convention. With Edwards the DNC now has an out for never having vetted Obama. The DNC then can say to the most fanatical Obamabots that if you can not support Hillary then you have the option of the third place guy as an alternate who was a good sport to your man. Then the nomination can be decided through a brokered convention. BUT OBAMA MUST REFUSE THE NOMINATION FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY.

    riiiight.

  69. 69.

    Mwangangi

    May 14, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    Got my monikers wrong, I meant Tweety…

  70. 70.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    Even Chris Matthews doesn’t even know what to do with him.

    When my grandfather got that way, we’d give him his medication and put him in the back bedroom where he could look out the window and yell at the birds.

    Hey, John McCain is older than Pat Buchanan. Holy shit!

  71. 71.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    In the next month or two the William Ayers & Bernadine Dohrn thermonuclear fiasco will finally break as a national story right before the convention. With Edwards the DNC now has an out for never having vetted Obama. The DNC then can say to the most fanatical Obamabots that if you can not support Hillary then you have the option of the third place guy as an alternate who was a good sport to your man. Then the nomination can be decided through a brokered convention. BUT OBAMA MUST REFUSE THE NOMINATION FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY.

    Obama is one precocious fuck to have been involved in the weatherment as a 6 year old.

    Facts- these guys just can’t grapple with them, can they?

  72. 72.

    TheFountainHead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Okay, back to Team Fortress 2, can’t read the His44.com lemmings run off the cliff wailing all night…

  73. 73.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    John’s speech was excellent as always.

    Jesus, you JRE fanboys are as deluded as the Clintards. His speech sucked. He kept flubbing his words and you could tell he was out of his league in front of that many people. It couldn’t end quickly enough.

  74. 74.

    Genine

    May 14, 2008 at 6:37 pm

    Pat’s playing the old “White people refusing to vote for a black person is exactly as racist as a black person voting for a black person.”

    It’s like the assholes who honestly can’t understand why there isn’t a “White Entertainment Television”

    That just drives me crazy. Obama did NOT have the majority of the black vote in the beginning. He did NOT. That’s only been happening over the last few months. What else has been happening at the same time? Hillary’s gaping wound of a campaign!

    Mwangangi Says:

    Timmeh is really going out on a limb to refute Pat. As an African-American I must say it is always interesting to see non AA’s argue about race wrt AA’s.

    Word.

  75. 75.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 14, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    I just heard Tweety play a phone bank call from a Hillary supporter to WV where the answering machine kicked on. The caller can be heard saying that the home owner must be hiding from bill collectors and that WV people are poor. The home owner told the press that they are not hiding from bill collectors and they resent the implication.

    Now that is Hillaryous!

  76. 76.

    Zifnab

    May 14, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    How is it that someone with the poor political judgment to publicly characterize American cars as “lemons,” who then bought a Mercedes-Benz and drove it to a campaign appearance in Detroit, find a place on television as a political commentator?

    Also, where did Buchanan get his job from and how can I obtain an application? He’s getting paid how much to shoot his mouth off like this? God damn, I could do that every day for the rest of my life and be happy with half of Buchanan’s income in a year. I probably couldn’t do it as well, though. Seriously, he’s got a way with words.

  77. 77.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    Jesus, you JRE fanboys are as deluded as the Clintards. His speech sucked. He kept flubbing his words and you could tell he was out of his league in front of that many people. It couldn’t end quickly enough

    I thought he looked nervous and his speech sucked, too, but I thought it was just my lack of regard for Edwards.

  78. 78.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:40 pm

    I just heard Tweety play a phone bank call from a Hillary supporter to WV where the answering machine kicked on. The caller can be heard saying that the home owner must be hiding from bill collectors and that WV people are poor. The home owner told the press that they are not hiding from bill collectors and they resent the implication.

    Now that is Hillaryous!

    oopsie! lmao

  79. 79.

    BFR

    May 14, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    Pat Buchannan just said that Obama is winning cause he’s black. Wow…

    I saw the ‘Sweetie-gate’ controversy on TL and it got me thinking, along the same lines about the Buchanan commentary on Obama – I’m pretty sure we’re witnessing a major moment in American history right now. We have a major party that has two viable candidates – a black dude and a woman, something that we’ve never even been close to seeing.

    At any rate, the sweetie comment got me thinking – the amount of stress Clinton and Obama must be under…jeez, there’s just no way I could handle it – the hatred they’re probably seeing is probably blowing way beyond even what Hank Aaron dealt with in ’74.

    I don’t particularly care for Clinton’s politics anymore, sure but she (and Obama) must have unbelievable mental fortitude to be able to see this through, especially knowing how much worse it’s going to be for the general election.

  80. 80.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    I thought he looked nervous and his speech sucked, too, but I thought it was just my lack of regard for Edwards.

    I’m not much of an Edwards fan either but even if I was, I’d still call it like it is.

  81. 81.

    rawshark

    May 14, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    Buchanan… Seriously, he’s got a way with words.

    Yes he has. How he gets away I’ll never know.

  82. 82.

    rawshark

    May 14, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    rawshark Says:

    Buchanan… Seriously, he’s got a way with words.

    Yes he has. How he gets away I’ll never know.

  83. 83.

    null pointer exception

    May 14, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Until now, I used to think was p.luk was a sane, if cynical person. I used to think that you folks were being unnecessary hard on him because her refused to buy into MUP’s magic. But this is what he said on talk left about Edward endorsement:

    I think that Edwards… (none / 0) (#223)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:15:46 PM EST
    knows that the Obama ship is going down… and his endorsement is in exchange for Obama’s support for the nomination when SDs start deserting Obama, and rather than face ignomineous defeat, bows out “for the good of the party” and endorses edwards.

    So he is just a deluded fool.

  84. 84.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 14, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Obama can’t win in the general election, but if he does it will be because of Hillary, not his own work.

    TalkLeft rules.

  85. 85.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    May 14, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    And Pat Buchannan is trying to “speak reality” on TV but Chris Matthews won’t have it. Hard to believe this cohort couldn’t put together a winning primary strategy.

  86. 86.

    Desmond

    May 14, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    I don’t much like Edwards. I’ve always thought he was a bit of a phony, and it was cowardly for him to wait this long to endorse; the campaign is pretty much over at this point. What was he waiting for?

    And is his endorsement going to win Obama any states? No. Everything is predetermined at this point. The only good parts are that it gets WV out of the headlines and maybe nets Obama another 19 delegates.

  87. 87.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    null pointer exception Says:

    Until now, I used to think was p.luk was a sane, if cynical person. I used to think that you folks were being unnecessary hard on him because her refused to buy into MUP’s magic. But this is what he said on talk left about Edward endorsement:

    …

    So he is just a deluded fool.

    Yeah, it happens like that.

  88. 88.

    Warren Terra

    May 14, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Oh, goody. Pup Tent Democrat has seized upon the Edwards endorsement to build himself some new goalposts:

    The Kentucky contest, previously a foregone conclusion for the Media, now becomes a test.

    Yup: if Obama can’t win in Kentucky with Edwards‘s help, he should just concede the race. Such insight they’ve got over there.

    P.S. I believe the correct terminology here would be that Pup Tent Democrat is “erecting goalposts”, which is surely appropriate for this type of wankery.

  89. 89.

    BH-Buck

    May 14, 2008 at 6:54 pm

    Pat Buchannan just said that Obama is winning cause he’s black.

    Ok. Let’s play it Pat’s way for just a sec…

    Pat, yes, you’re right. Because people are phucking tired of what over-the-hill, over-weight WHITE-ASS BASTARDS such as yourself have done to our once great nation.

  90. 90.

    Warren Terra

    May 14, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    Pat Buchanan just said that Obama is winning cause he’s black.

    Y’know, there must be thousands of Black men just kicking themselves for not thinking of this surefire route to national electoral success before …

  91. 91.

    TR

    May 14, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Pat Buchanan was so far gone that even Chris Matthews noted it with alarm. Wow.

  92. 92.

    TR

    May 14, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    Oh, I love Edwards but speeches have never been his strong suit and this one showed it.

  93. 93.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    I’m shocked at all of these harsh characterizations of Pat Buchanan. I have one question for all of his critics:
    Why does Pat Buchanan take Viagra?

    Because it makes him taller.

  94. 94.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 14, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    Tweedty sure seemed to be telling Pat that he wasn’t going to listen to any of his crap. I liked the line Tweety used on Pat, which I just caught the gist of:

    ‘…America is a big country, and you are a part of it.’

    It almost sounded like ‘a small part of it‘. That is the way it came across to me. Pat just chuckled.

    Pat Robertson, racist? No! Go figure. ;)

  95. 95.

    t jasper parnell

    May 14, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    On to the real battle Rublicans in Zubaz pants (via Alterman)

  96. 96.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 7:07 pm

    Pat Robertson, racist?

    Typical Scots-Irish. You can call them racists but they revel in that. There are better descriptors.

  97. 97.

    Desmond

    May 14, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Lol, I’d love to see the clip of Buchanan. I think he’s always been a little crazy, but talking about how being black is such an advantage in a presidential race is sheer lunacy.

    On that note, Ferraro has been very quiet lately, hasn’t she?

  98. 98.

    jnfr

    May 14, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    It’s funny what makes a speech work for one person and not another. Some speeches are models for the ages, but most are bits of this and that, and what moves you might not move me, and vice versa. I’ve never been moved by Obama’s speeches, even though I can watch him and realize he’s very, very good at them. But Edwards always sounds honest to me, he always speaks to the issues I care about in a way I understand. That it doesn’t move other people, doesn’t change my impression, nor should it.

  99. 99.

    Dulcie

    May 14, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    It’s like the assholes who honestly can’t understand why there isn’t a “White Entertainment Television”

    There is. It’s called Fox News.

  100. 100.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 7:29 pm

    Sorry, I have to re-quote this comment from TL from a previous thread because it’s that good:

    My sense is that party insiders are truly panicking because Obama will always hold the small pledged delegate lead, but has been unable to pull away from Hillary in any other convincing way. Now they’re ramming this nomination down the party’s throat in an effort to have immediate closure and to try to silence Senator Clinton. Again, I say this is further wedging the party apart and is cementing ill will. With even NARAL stepping into the primary season, I’m feeling like one thrown-under-the-bus Democrat. It’s a travesty that we’ve reduced a truly historic race to a virtual gang rape.

  101. 101.

    Jake

    May 14, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    So I guess NARAL joined in on the virtual gang-rape of Hillary? That’s interesting.

  102. 102.

    TR

    May 14, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    This virtual gang rape of Hillary Clinton is the biggest travesty in American politics since the high-tech lynching of Clarence Thomas.

  103. 103.

    mapaghimagsik

    May 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    I agree Edwards has given better speeches. I found this post interesting:

    From Jeralyn’s post:

    If you didn’t know he was going to endorse Obama, you would have no idea he wasn’t going to end by endorsing Hillary.
    ….
    It could just as easily have been Hillary standing next to him receiving the endorsement.

    While Edwards’ delivery was bad, the content was very good. He was very concilliatory to Senator Clinton. He seems to be playing the mutual friend who made a tough decision and is trying to send the most gentle, yet worst message ever.

    “Do I look like Horton? I’m not hearing you, Who.”

    They are trying so hard not to be seen as the mean boy’s club virtually “raping” as one distraught poster put.

    While the more anguished Hillary supporters might talk about the boys club beating up on Hillary, I think Hillary will have a hard time playing that card herself, as long as Edwards and Obama tiptoe around this.

  104. 104.

    Soylent Green

    May 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    There’s brain tissue all over the highway at No Quarter today. How about this gem?

    If I wanted Paris Hilton for a candidate, I would vote for Paris Hilton. Just because Paris got some melanin and a black suit, doesn’t mean I want her to be my nominee. Barack Paris Hilton Obama is not the candidate for me.

  105. 105.

    slippy hussein toad

    May 14, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    Pat Buchannan. Has he stood up from his studio chair, revealing that he’s only wearing boxer shorts, and run around the room screaming “NI**ER NI**ER NI**ER NI**ER NI**ER NI**ER NI**ER!” at the top of his lungs, yet? With his eyes bugged right out of his head, bleeding as he literally tears hair and actual flesh out of his scalp?

    Because, I’m kind of expecting that to be how he ends his broadcasting career as Obama achieves the Presidency. And, I kind of want to see him go out that way. In a schadenfreude kind of way.

  106. 106.

    4tehlulz

    May 14, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    THE BLACK MAN IS VIRTUALLY GANG RAPING THE WHITE WOMAN

  107. 107.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    So I guess NARAL joined in on the virtual gang-rape of Hillary? That’s interesting.

    NARAL claims it was drunk and doesn’t remember any of it. Of course, the prosecutor couldn’t care less for that excuse, and NARAL has already been indicted.

  108. 108.

    cleek

    May 14, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    It’s a travesty that we’ve reduced a truly historic race to a virtual gang rape.

    since a Hillary supporter said this, i know it can’t be sexist to compare the arcane-but-public workings of a political party’s nomination process to gang rape. but, for the life of me, i can’t figure out how it’s not sexist. i guess it’s probably because i’m a man.

    damn the patriarchy!

  109. 109.

    4tehlulz

    May 14, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Because, I’m kind of expecting that to be how he ends his broadcasting career as Obama achieves the Presidency.

    I have to confess that I would watch that.

    The double bonus would be that Lou Dobbs would do the same thing if Bill Richardson is the VP.

  110. 110.

    ImJohnGalt

    May 14, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    I’ve only now just visited No Quarter for the first time.

    Wow.

    The best part? All the people who say they are going to actively campaign for John McCain.

    All I can say to that is that I hope they bring the same effectiveness that they brought in their efforts to help Senator Clinton.

    Seriously, a number of people on all these sites *have* to be spoofs. As some of you on this blog remember from past (and current, for that matter) personal experience, as long as you don’t break character, you can eventually convince people you’re real.

  111. 111.

    Jon H

    May 14, 2008 at 7:44 pm

    “Because, I’m kind of expecting that to be how he ends his broadcasting career as Obama achieves the Presidency.”

    I’m waiting for someone like Pat to say, in January, “I hope they’ve locked up the good silverware.”

  112. 112.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    That it doesn’t move other people, doesn’t change my impression, nor should it.

    Who knows why folks get all squishy inside for a phony populist DLC’er that gives a lousy speech.

  113. 113.

    jaime

    May 14, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    THE BLACK MAN IS VIRTUALLY GANG RAPING THE WHITE WOMAN

    It’s a travesty that we’ve reduced a truly historic race to a virtual gang rape.

    Unfortunately it’s not far off from what psychowhackjobClinton nuts are actually thinking. This from Taylor Marsh’s comments

    “It’s just a mob of men shoving the girl down. It’s mean, it’s hurtful, we will not forget. All of them can go to hell.”

    “I am beginning to HATE all men”

    “Nice touch, two men bullying a lady (again).”

    Yikes. Not since Jodie Foster in the accused has there been such a travesty perpatrated on women.

  114. 114.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    He was very concilliatory to Senator Clinton. He seems to be playing the mutual friend who made a tough decision and is trying to send the most gentle, yet worst message ever.

    Like it fucking matters. He’s dead now like all the rest of the Judases.

  115. 115.

    jnfr

    May 14, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Who knows why people in blog comments get their kicks by insulting others? It’s a common disorder, though.

  116. 116.

    yet another jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    Again, for Idiotic:

    RAPE METAPHORS IN RELATION TO POLITICAL ENDORSEMENTS ARE EXCELLENT NEWS!!!
    FOR HILLARY!!!

  117. 117.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    I saw this post at hillaryis44 and thought ‘Poor guy’:

    Yeah, I’d like to through out my TV too, but I bought a 60″ one before this election started. I think I’ll block the stations. My poor father who is 85, desparately tries to boycott all the channels I tell him too. He just shakes his head and puts it on one I will let him watch. Now its gotten down to ABC and FOX. He’s running out of places to watch! LOL!!

    Hillary supporters: We Are Control Freaks!

    On another note, I would like to say a few words regarding President Alfred E. “Chimpy” Neuman and his heartrending sacrifice. With all of the families who are suffering from the loss of loved ones, with all of the families who are dealing with PTSD, injuries, amputations and worse, with his asking Americans for to sacrifice and go shopping, with his giving away the Treasury to his rich buddies and sticking us, our children, our grandchildren and their children with the bill, President Chimpy has given up golf.

    I am almost speechless. Almost. I can only say;

    Fuck You President Chimpy. I hope you rot in hell with Cheney and the rest of the criminals who have fucked up not only our country, but the rest of the world. Fuck you very much.

  118. 118.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    RAPE METAPHORS IN RELATION TO POLITICAL ENDORSEMENTS ARE EXCELLENT NEWS
    FOR HILLARY

    Yeah. Remember the indignant responses to the psycho ex-girlfriend metaphor? But if they want to use metaphors about Edwards involving an overwhelmingly male and terrible crime perpetrated on women, that’s just fine.

  119. 119.

    AkaDad

    May 14, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    “It’s just a mob of men shoving the girl down. It’s mean, it’s hurtful, we will not forget. All of them can go to hell.”

    “I am beginning to HATE all men”

    “Nice touch, two men bullying a lady (again).”

    Yikes. Not since Jodie Foster in the accused has there been such a travesty perpatrated on women.

    OMG

    What do you even say to that?

  120. 120.

    Jorge

    May 14, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    Hillary Clinton has just announced that the battle for John Edward’s endorsement has just begun and that the vast majority of Democrats want her to be the endorsee.

    …stolen from Huff Post

  121. 121.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    “Nice touch, two men bullying a lady (again).”

    New definitions: lack of endorsement = bullying. Running a successful political campaign against a woman = bullying.

  122. 122.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    What do you even say to that?

    Maybe point out that women outnumber men in the Democratic party 60 to 40 and we couldn’t have done it without their help?

  123. 123.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Hillary Clinton has just announced that the battle for John Edward’s endorsement has just begun and that the vast majority of Democrats want her to be the endorsee.

    …stolen from Huff Post

    lolz

  124. 124.

    SGEW

    May 14, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    President Chimpy has given up golf.

    Of course, the worst thing about it is that he, well, lied about giving up golf.

    Shocking, I know.

  125. 125.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Of course, the worst thing about it is that he, well, lied about giving up golf.

    I think he lied about giving up booze. The rejected massage of German chancellor Merkel, and the look on his face when he did it; looked drunk to me.

  126. 126.

    Richard Bottoms

    May 14, 2008 at 8:12 pm

    I think he lied about giving up booze.

    Heh.

  127. 127.

    D-Chance.

    May 14, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Brave, brave Purty Boy. Wait until the race is over and then announce, “Oh, yeah, I’m backing the winner.”

    If only my bookie would let me operate like that… what a gutless political move.

  128. 128.

    D-Chance.

    May 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    SGEW Says:

    President Chimpy has given up golf.

    Of course, the worst thing about it is that he, well, lied about giving up golf.

    Shocking, I know.

    Think the upcoming President Chimpy will give up bowling?

  129. 129.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 14, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    I heard that he had not given it up, but I had nothing concrete to go with. In that case, let me amend my message:

    President Chimpy, you lying bag of shit. I hope you rot in hell with Cheney and the rest of the criminals who have fucked up not only our country, but the rest of the world. Fuck you very much.

    Thanks for the correction, gotta stay ‘on message’, ya kno.

  130. 130.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Brave, brave Purty Boy. Wait until the race is over and then announce, “Oh, yeah, I’m backing the winner.”

    If only my bookie would let me operate like that… what a gutless political move.

    Maybe this is how Obama and Clinton supporters come together. By universally agreeing Edwards is a phony and a coward and worthy of nothing but scorn.

  131. 131.

    Krista

    May 14, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    It’s a travesty that we’ve reduced a truly historic race to a virtual gang rape.

    Jesus H. Roosevelt Fucking Christ in a baby carriage.

    First of all, that is incredibly insulting and dismissive to anybody, male or female, who has been raped.

    Secondly, do they realize that they are doing a disservice to Clinton by even bringing in that sort of comparison? Why are they CHOOSING to associate their candidate with the penultimate example of female powerlessness?

    So, they are choosing to capitalize on Clinton’s gender when cheering on the sisterhood and berating any women who don’t support Clinton. And they are choosing to use Clinton’s gender as a way to paint her as a powerless victim of the patriarchy.

    But they don’t want her candidacy to be about her gender.

    Goddamn, I’m really confused right now.

  132. 132.

    jake

    May 14, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    I feel bad for laughing at the crazy people.

    [snerk]

  133. 133.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    Goddamn, I’m really confused right now.

    Have some freaking cheesecake.

  134. 134.

    AkaDad

    May 14, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Maybe point out that women outnumber men in the Democratic party 60 to 40 and we couldn’t have done it without their help?

    It’s really cute that you think logic and reason will work. ;-)

  135. 135.

    jaime

    May 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    OMG

    What do you even say to that?

    The Jodie Foster quote was my snarky touch…but the rest are lifted straight from Taylor Marsh. These are classy too:

    I’m fully ready to switch my party affiliation.

    i really would rather have mccain than have to watch kennedy, kerry, bill richardson, bill bradley, susan rice, michelle obama and Precious for the next four years…

    I’M CHANGING TO REPUBLICAN. I HAVE BEEN A DEM FOR ALL MY LIFE AND I AM NOT STAYING ON WITH THIS NONSENSE.

    A true unity ticket, a true change would be McCain/Hillary. They are friends anyway.

    Another 100 years or more before women will ever reach equality.

    SEXIST PIG

    I am all for the nuclear option and that would be the destruction of the Democratic Party. Maybe something would rise from the ashes that could once again be a voice for me and not just for the left wing and African Americans.

    Ahhh…Democratic women’s hopes and dreams being transferred to the oldest, whitest man ever to run for office. Or…Eff you Roe v. Wade. I’d rather give you up than vote for the ni**er.

  136. 136.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    It’s really cute that you think logic and reason will work.

    I have the audacity to hope.

  137. 137.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Why are they CHOOSING to associate their candidate with the penultimate example of female powerlessness?

    Well, in fairness, that was just a commenter on TalkLeft, not one of the bloggers. But yeah, mind-blowing.

    But just imagine if they nutpicked something like that off of DailyKos comments about Obama being “lynched” or something in WV or where ever. They’d have a field day shrieking about how Kos readers use racial victimhood to bash Hillary.

  138. 138.

    grumpy realist

    May 14, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    And actually if you go over to Pandagon, which is usually identified as feminist, (Amanda Marcotte and Pam Spalding, anyone?), you’ll find much more support for Obama than you will for Hillary.

    F— that. I’m of the XX persuasion myself, a scientist and will-be lawyer, and bloody HELL do I resent self-proclaimed “feminists!” claiming that unless I vote for Hillary I’m a disgrace to my sex. Eff off, you sodding little bitches. I like Obama because he is a) intelligent, b) understands why we need things like Habeas Corpus and civil rights, c) can get people on both sides of the table talking to each other. Hillary has talked out of both sides of her mouth ever since she’s started running, has an entitlement chip on her shoulder as big as the Sears Tower, and is now in a snit because the Democratic party didn’t fall down and provide a carpet to her royal coronation. Too bad, lady. You jumped on the pandering truck and was totally broadsided by a young, charismatic African-American. Tough. And stop WHINING.

  139. 139.

    AkaDad

    May 14, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    I’M CHANGING TO REPUBLICAN. I HAVE BEEN A DEM FOR ALL MY LIFE AND I AM NOT STAYING ON WITH THIS NONSENSE.

    It was the CAPS that convinced me.

  140. 140.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    May 14, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Conservatively Liberal Says:
    …

    On another note, I would like to say a few words regarding President Alfred E. “Chimpy” Neuman and his heartrending sacrifice. With all of the families who are suffering from the loss of loved ones, with all of the families who are dealing with PTSD, injuries, amputations and worse, with his asking Americans for to sacrifice and go shopping, with his giving away the Treasury to his rich buddies and sticking us, our children, our grandchildren and their children with the bill, President Chimpy has given up golf.

    I am almost speechless. Almost. I can only say;

    Fuck You President Chimpy. I hope you rot in hell with Cheney and the rest of the criminals who have fucked up not only our country, but the rest of the world. Fuck you very much.

    KO just gave a special commentary for the ages to finish Countdown tonight that said pretty much the same damn thing only with longer words and in a slightly more polite tone. Very slightly.

  141. 141.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    The oppression of hundred-millionaire white women has got to stop!

  142. 142.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 14, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    F—- that. I’m of the XX persuasion myself, a scientist and will-be lawyer, and bloody HELL do I resent self-proclaimed “feminists!” claiming that unless I vote for Hillary I’m a disgrace to my sex. Eff off, you sodding little bitches. I like Obama because he is a) intelligent, b) understands why we need things like Habeas Corpus and civil rights, c) can get people on both sides of the table talking to each other. Hillary has talked out of both sides of her mouth ever since she’s started running, has an entitlement chip on her shoulder as big as the Sears Tower, and is now in a snit because the Democratic party didn’t fall down and provide a carpet to her royal coronation. Too bad, lady. You jumped on the pandering truck and was totally broadsided by a young, charismatic African-American. Tough. And stop WHINING.

    Now that is telling it like it is. You go girl! /headbang

  143. 143.

    Krista

    May 14, 2008 at 8:35 pm

    grumpy realist Says:

    I agree with that entire, seriously impressive rant. Nicely put.

  144. 144.

    Conservatively Liberal

    May 14, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    KO just gave a special commentary for the ages to finish Countdown tonight that said pretty much the same damn thing only with longer words and in a slightly more polite tone. Very slightly.

    I thought it was funny that as I was writing that, Keith started his rant. I had no idea that he was going to do a special comment. I just went over to Kos and saw that he posted there about it…lol!

    It’s that Obama Mind Meld again.

  145. 145.

    nightjar

    May 14, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Goddamn, I’m really confused right now.

    Every morning when I wakeup, my first thought is, was yesterday just was a dream or was it real? Then I turn the computer on and get my answer.

  146. 146.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Another 100 years or more before women will ever reach equality.

    That’s what it’s about for them. If Hillary isn’t nominated, women don’t have equality. If they want to use arguments like that, black people could point out that they’ve been in this country just as long as (non-native American) women have – you know, since long before the country existed.

  147. 147.

    Soylent Green

    May 14, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    A month from now when Hillary is backing Obama in the general and strongly urging her followers to give the party’s nominee their money, time and votes…What will the denizens of Marsh, No Quarter, 44, TL, and the others be saying?

    Some will surely be fuming that Hillary is full of shit, fuck her, she’s a judas, how much did they pay her, no way are they going to vote for BO, they are sitting this one out, how could I have liked her, McCain will be a great president.

    Count on it.

  148. 148.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    It was the CAPS that convinced me.

    Why is it that Hillary fanatics seem statistically less likely to have a lot of experience using the internets? Oh yeah, the demographics of her supporters. On the plus side, I am happy to see more 65+ aged people getting online.

  149. 149.

    Tlaloc

    May 14, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    “Maybe this is how Obama and Clinton supporters come together. By universally agreeing Edwards is a phony and a coward and worthy of nothing but scorn.”

    I’m game. The guy skeeves me.

  150. 150.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    On the plus side, I am happy to see more 65+ aged people getting online.

    If the +65 crowd is responsible for the train wreck at Talk left and other sites, I would prefer it if they would kindly get back to their busy fucking schedule of shuffleboard, bitching about the weather, driving for miles with a turn signal on in their lincoln land yachts, and stiffing waitresses after their early bird dinner.

  151. 151.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    “Land yachts”! Hilarious.

  152. 152.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    I’m game. The guy skeeves me.

    Woot. Let it be written that some fuckhead saved the Democratic party in 2008.

  153. 153.

    jake

    May 14, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    and stiffing waitresses after their early bird dinner.

    Ah, the wonders of Viagra.

  154. 154.

    AkaDad

    May 14, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    I agree with that entire, seriously impressive rant. Nicely put.

    Yeah, that was good.

    I used to rant, but ranting gave me migraines. Now that I just post snarky comments, I rarely get them.

    In other words, Balloon Juice is good for one’s health.

  155. 155.

    nightjar

    May 14, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Another 100 years or more before women will ever reach equality

    Have we entered a time warp back to 1980’s?

  156. 156.

    Tlaloc

    May 14, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    “Woot. Let it be written that some fuckhead saved the Democratic party in 2008.”

    Well… I also find using gang rape metaphors for Edwards endorsing Obama to be more than a tad hyperbolic, so maybe I’m not really your target audience.

  157. 157.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I had a couple glasses of wine and had to check TL. The meltdown continues in earnest. Conspiracy theories abound- the DNC wants Obama, they had to hide the tragic loss of WV, Edwards is just doing it for a cabinet slot, Edwards just did it for fundraising reasons, he is a phony, and most importantly of all- IF OBAMA DOES NOT WIN KENTUCKY WITH EDWARDS IT IS REALLY GAME OVER.

    Barack Obama is not going to beat Hillary in Kentucky or West Virginia if he campaigns every day for ten years. At some point, are these folks simply going to accept reality?

  158. 158.

    nightjar

    May 14, 2008 at 8:58 pm

    driving for miles with a turn signal on in their lincoln land yachts,

    Since we got land sharks it’s only logical there be land yachts, otherwise they’d get ett.

  159. 159.

    Jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    John-

    Funny, I didn’t see anyone argue that if Clinton didn’t win NC with the Easley endorsement, it’d be game over for her.

    And Edwards isn’t even from Kentucky! Funny how that works.

  160. 160.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    Also, they all seem to agree that he sounded more convincing talking about Hillary than Obama and that since he didn;t explicitly use the phrase “OBAMA IS A BETTER CANDIDATE THAN HILLARY,” the endorsement does not count.

    I am telling you, I was never this deep in the kool-aid.

  161. 161.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:03 pm

    And Edwards isn’t even from Kentucky!

    Yeah, but Edwards dad worked in a mill and one of the dudes that helped build JRE’s eleventy gazillion squart foot palatial estate was from Owensboro.

  162. 162.

    Dulcie

    May 14, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Also, they all seem to agree that he sounded more convincing talking about Hillary than Obama and that since he didn;t explicitly use the phrase “OBAMA IS A BETTER CANDIDATE THAN HILLARY,” the endorsement does not count.

    At least they’re consistent.

  163. 163.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    I am telling you, I was never this deep in the kool-aid.

    JC, you voted for Bush in 2004. That was quite awhile after the pooch was irreparably fucked.

  164. 164.

    HRA

    May 14, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    Pandagon says it all for me. I am soooooo tired of being dissed for not voting for a woman.

    Re: the Edwards endorsement: It was a bit too long on praising Hillary. I was watching the people behind him. They began to look confused. “He’s endorsing who?”

    Pat Buchanan has been for Hillary everytime he is on any show. I think it’s an act.

  165. 165.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    JC, you voted for Bush in 2004. That was quite awhile after the pooch was irreparably fucked.

    Schiavo and most of the other bullshit came after the Nov 2004 election. In 2004, we may have been well and truly fucked, but we had only been in Iraq for 18 months, which really is too early to determine all is lost. Additionally, Kerry was a fucking terrible candidate, and I really was just holding my nose and voting for Bush.

  166. 166.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 9:12 pm

    I don’t even check out NoQuarter anymore. I’m afraid the crazy will disturb me. Going there is like starting Saw or Hostel.

  167. 167.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    Additionally, Kerry was a fucking terrible candidate

    No argument from me there. When I cast my primary vote for Wes Clark the pollworkers were all atwitter about how handsome and presidential-looking Kerry was. I told them he would lose the general and no one cared. Now I’m supposed to care that Obama might?

  168. 168.

    Jeff

    May 14, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    John-

    Where do you stand on the Supreme Court? While I don’t think Kerry was the best candidate, he certainly wasn’t the worst… and the Supreme Court appointments were hugely important to me. If Kerry was elected, we would’ve escaped without letting Bush appoint anyone.

  169. 169.

    Soylent Green

    May 14, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    Additionally, Kerry was a fucking terrible candidate, and I really was just holding my nose and voting for Bush.

    Well… not really.

    JC on October 27, 2004:

    I think he is right on the war on terror, I think he is right in his view of global terrorism, I think he has chosen the right foreign allies, and I think he is honest, decent, fair-minded and the right man at the right time.

    And I love Dick Cheney.

    That’s a pretty heavy dose of kool-aid. I’m not holding it against you, and think highly of you now. But you are dissembling to say you were holding your nose on the eve of the last election.

  170. 170.

    Genine

    May 14, 2008 at 9:22 pm

    Krista Says:

    grumpy realist Says:

    I agree with that entire, seriously impressive rant. Nicely put.

    I second that emotion.

    Soylent Green Says:

    A month from now when Hillary is backing Obama in the general and strongly urging her followers to give the party’s nominee their money, time and votes…What will the denizens of Marsh, No Quarter, 44, TL, and the others be saying?

    Some will surely be fuming that Hillary is full of shit, fuck her, she’s a judas, how much did they pay her, no way are they going to vote for BO, they are sitting this one out, how could I have liked her, McCain will be a great president.

    Count on it.

    Nope. They’ll probably say the DNC made Hillary do it or Hillary had to do it or be frozen out politically. Hillary was threatened with the loss of committee seats or something so she HAD to stump for Obama.

    Or

    They really admire Hillary because, even though the DNC back-stabbed her and robbed her of her chance to make history. She is putting all of that behind her for the good of the party.

    Count on THAT.

  171. 171.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    JC, you really gotta have a database accident with those archives.

  172. 172.

    Soylent Green

    May 14, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Genine,

    Probably some of both. Your scenario will be more commonplace.

  173. 173.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    That’s a pretty heavy dose of kool-aid. I’m not holding it against you, and think highly of you now. But you are dissembling to say you were holding your nose on the eve of the last election.

    And it is all before all the shit came out.

    Don’t get me wrong, there had been stuff out there, but remember, when you are in wingnut mode, you ignore sources that aren’t part of the “in group.”

    And I did love Dick Cheney. Remember, I was one of his soldiers in Gulf War 1 when he was Sec Def. I had a very high opinion of the man.

  174. 174.

    Nellcote

    May 14, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    But you’ll have to admit that the timing of the Edward’s endorsement was excellent for Obama in that it stomped on the news/interviews of Hillary’s BigWin.

  175. 175.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    JC, you really gotta have a database accident with those archives.

    Ehh, too lazy. And why run from it?

  176. 176.

    Genine

    May 14, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Soylent Green Says:

    Genine,

    Probably some of both. Your scenario will be more commonplace.

    Yeah, but its all sad. Its a shame when you see people you use to admire go batshit crazy. **sigh**

  177. 177.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    My memory must be going, I don’t remember any outpouring of support from women for Carol Mosely-Brown when she ran for the Democratic nomination in 2004. Mosely-Brown served six years in the Senate, was an ambassador, a state representative and an Assistant US Attorney. Nonetheless, she sank without a trace.

  178. 178.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    But you’ll have to admit that the timing of the Edward’s endorsement was excellent for Obama in that it stomped on the news/interviews of Hillary’s BigWin.

    It was worth it if it stopped one single newstory about HRC crying in her interview with Tool Blitzer.

  179. 179.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    My memory must be going, I don’t remember any outpouring of support from women for Carol Mosely-Brown when she ran for the Democratic nomination in 2004. Mosely-Brown served six years in the Senate, was an ambassador, a state representative and an Assistant US Attorney. Nonetheless, she sank without a trace.

    Well, as you noted she was a Brown, not a Clinton.

  180. 180.

    Bob In Pacifica

    May 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Divide and conquer.

  181. 181.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    It was worth it if it stopped one single newstory about HRC crying in her interview with Tool Blitzer.

    She did??

  182. 182.

    bostondreams

    May 14, 2008 at 9:37 pm

    How bad is the carnage at TL, Taylor Marsh, Noquarter, and HILLIS44.org?

    Are we at train wreck status yet?

    I think I saw heads explode. Basically, Edwards is a sell out, a fraud, a supporter of a secret radical Muslim….

  183. 183.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    She did??

    Yeah, at the end of the interview Wolf asked her about Chelsea working for her on the campaign trail. Wolf kept pushing buttons (“.. because she loves you very much, right?”) until she cracked.

  184. 184.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I think I saw heads explode.

    Considering where their heads are that means that they’re typing standing up.

  185. 185.

    Barbara

    May 14, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    What percentage of posters at sites like this are fanning the flames? It doesn’t seem like a high absolute number and some are pretty repetitive. But then, what kind of sick bastard would do that for amusement?

  186. 186.

    NR

    May 14, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    For sheer crazy, how about this reaction to the Edwards endorsement?

  187. 187.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    I agree fully with the sentiments of Pandagon. Thank the gods/goddesses someone said it.

    Quite frankly those on TL, Taylor Marsh, No Quarter (of a brain) and the rest can suck lemons all they want. Fact is Obama won states with a lot of women’s votes too and will get more in the general. This whole BS perpetrated by the clintonistas is just that BS.

  188. 188.

    bostondreams

    May 14, 2008 at 9:47 pm

    AkaDad Says:

    “It’s just a mob of men shoving the girl down. It’s mean, it’s hurtful, we will not forget. All of them can go to hell.”

    “I am beginning to HATE all men”

    “Nice touch, two men bullying a lady (again).”

    Yikes. Not since Jodie Foster in the accused has there been such a travesty perpatrated on women.

    OMG

    What do you even say to that?

    Dad, those are all from Taylor Marsh commenters. A classier lot you will never find. That is, unless you visit the fine folks at Larry Johnson’s Home of Reasoned Discourse.

  189. 189.

    Oregon Guy

    May 14, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    I think I’m experiencing schadenfreudeoverload.

  190. 190.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    It’s like the assholes who honestly can’t understand why there isn’t a “White Entertainment Television”

    To quote Aaron McGruder on BET:

    “It’s not black and it’s not entertaining.”

  191. 191.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 9:59 pm

    Dennis – SGMM Says:

    My memory must be going, I don’t remember any outpouring of support from women for Carol Mosely-Brown when she ran for the Democratic nomination in 2004. Mosely-Brown served six years in the Senate, was an ambassador, a state representative and an Assistant US Attorney. Nonetheless, she sank without a trace.

    Or supporting Cynthia McKinney as the green candidate this year. Oh wait she is brown too.

  192. 192.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:02 pm

    NR Says:

    For sheer crazy, how about this reaction to the Edwards endorsement?

    OMG that is just funny ass shit.

  193. 193.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    LOL. Daily Show making fun of WV.

  194. 194.

    Cain

    May 14, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    Seriously, a number of people on all these sites have to be spoofs. As some of you on this blog remember from past (and current, for that matter) personal experience, as long as you don’t break character, you can eventually convince people you’re real.

    and then

    AkaDad Says:

    “It’s just a mob of men shoving the girl down. It’s mean, it’s hurtful, we will not forget. All of them can go to hell.”

    “I am beginning to HATE all men”

    “Nice touch, two men bullying a lady (again).”

    Yikes. Not since Jodie Foster in the accused has there been such a travesty perpatrated on women.

    OMG

    What do you even say to that?

    What do you do? What do you DO?! Create an account and join the fun, man! All of us should create accounts and just coming up with wackiest shit we can come up with. We can easily stay in character, just act bat shit insane. I bet I can manufacturer all kinds of ills that men have done to women and then maybe, just maybe, I’ll turn it around later. Hell maybe I’ll create two characters and fight with myself and get one them banned.

    cain

    ps I’m not doing any of that, and I don’t recommend you do either. Manipulating people is bad!

  195. 195.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    Am I the only one to kind of cringe at the “gang rape” euphemism in the context of Obama being a black man and HRC being a white woman??

  196. 196.

    Innocent Bystander

    May 14, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Pat Buchanan has been for Hillary everytime he is on any show. I think it’s an act.

    Pat made a career hating Democrats, think things have changed? If the tables were reversed and Hillary was in the lead, I have no doubts he’d be bashing Democrats for not supporting a Black man. It’s all about keeping the Democrats divided for Pat. Same goes for Tucker and Joe. That, in itself, ought to be a tell for thinking Democrats.

  197. 197.

    Perry Como

    May 14, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    omg, West Virginia Douche Off…

  198. 198.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    LOL. Daily Show making fun of WV.

    I know. I may need another bottle of wine.

  199. 199.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 10:13 pm

    And actually if you go over to Pandagon, which is usually identified as feminist, (Amanda Marcotte and Pam Spalding, anyone?), you’ll find much more support for Obama than you will for Hillary.

    Before I stopped reading over there because of Amanda and her skeevy race issues, I did notice that Amanda was taking a lot of shit for supporting Obama, with some long-time commenters complaining that they “thought Pandagon was a feminist blog”. Apparently “Feminist” now equals “Clinton Supporter”.

  200. 200.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Dreggas Says:

    Am I the only one to kind of cringe at the “gang rape” euphemism in the context of Obama being a black man and HRC being a white woman??

    Welcome to Rock Ridge. “He said the candidate is near.”

  201. 201.

    t jasper parnell

    May 14, 2008 at 10:16 pm

    Additionally, Kerry was a fucking terrible candidate

    Kerry may not know how to end a sentence, but he ran incredibly well against a sitting president during a war. 48 to 52 is not “fucking terrible.”

  202. 202.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    ps I’m not doing any of that, and I don’t recommend you do either. Manipulating people is bad!

    Now you tell me…

  203. 203.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:19 pm

    Before I stopped reading over there because of Amanda and her skeevy race issues, I did notice that Amanda was taking a lot of shit for supporting Obama, with some long-time commenters complaining that they “thought Pandagon was a feminist blog”. Apparently “Feminist” now equals “Clinton Supporter”.

    Didn’t you know, if you have a va-jay-jay and don’t support the candidate who also has a va-jay-jay then you are a traitor to the mighty va-jay-jay.

  204. 204.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    JC, you really gotta have a database accident with those archives.

    Ehh, too lazy. And why run from it?

    In all seriousness, John, this is why I love you so: you own your mistakes.

    I just wish I could get you to talk to my gaming buddy who’s a complete kneejerk Republican. She’s smart enough that she should really know better, but she’s completely swallowed most of the wingnutl talking points.

  205. 205.

    The Moar You Know

    May 14, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    But then, what kind of sick bastard would do that for amusement?

    Me, for one. Guilty as charged.

  206. 206.

    Tlaloc

    May 14, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    I have to admit watching the pandagon collective savage itself is rather satisfying. They’re the idiots that convinced me the modern feminist movement is irreparably corrupt.

  207. 207.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    My memory must be going, I don’t remember any outpouring of support from women for Carol Mosely-Brown when she ran for the Democratic nomination in 2004.

    Well, you know, black women don’t actually exist. I’m a unicorn.

  208. 208.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    Dreggas Says:

    Am I the only one to kind of cringe at the “gang rape” euphemism in the context of Obama being a black man and HRC being a white woman??

    Nope.

  209. 209.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    From that DailyKos crazy diary:

    THIS RACE IS NOT OVER BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION! I think Hillary Clinton should take this to the convention floor, if necessary, which is her right to do and fight for the votes of ALL of the women in the room and of the men who have actually made it into the new millenium, leaving the “dark ages” behind them when men dragged “their” women from cave to cave by their hair.

    Priceless.

  210. 210.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    Link, Ted?

  211. 211.

    t jasper parnell

    May 14, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Speaking for many other people than myself personally, I will remind all feminists, of what ever gender, of Thurgood Marshall who

    Shortly before he died, in 1993, he warned against “picking the wrong Negro,” adding “there’s no difference between a white snake and a black snake. They’ll both bite….”

    And point to Marian Wright Edelman

    Well, you know, Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics. We have to build a constituency, and you don’t—and we profoundly disagreed with the forms of the welfare reform bill, and we said so. We were for welfare reform, I am for welfare reform, but we need good jobs, we need adequate work incentives, we need minimum wage to be decent wage and livable wage, we need health care, we need transportation, we need to invest preventively in all of our children to prevent them ever having to be on welfare.

    Who kicked whom in the junk? From whom does Obama raise his funds? Balloon Juice that’s who.

  212. 212.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    May 14, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    McCain: Warm Monger. lulz

  213. 213.

    Mary

    May 14, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Huh? The Pandagon collective isn’t savaging itself. Are you thinking of some other blog?

  214. 214.

    bostondreams

    May 14, 2008 at 10:31 pm

    Dreggas Says:

    ps I’m not doing any of that, and I don’t recommend you do either. Manipulating people is bad!

    Now you tell me…

    oooo, Dreggas, who are you and where? I want to see the fun!

  215. 215.

    Ted

    May 14, 2008 at 10:32 pm

    Link, Ted?

    Sorry, from far up thread. Here it is.

  216. 216.

    t jasper parnell

    May 14, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Oh and Maggie Thatcher was a woman. For god’s sake.

  217. 217.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    bostondreams Says:

    Dreggas Says:

    ps I’m not doing any of that, and I don’t recommend you do either. Manipulating people is bad!

    Now you tell me…

    oooo, Dreggas, who are you and where? I want to see the fun!

    that was more tongue in cheek, as much fun as it is to go and fuck with people’s heads over the intertubes I behave myself.

  218. 218.

    nightjar

    May 14, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    THIS RACE IS NOT OVER BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION! I think Hillary Clinton should take this to the convention floor, if necessary, which is her right to do and fight for the votes of ALL of the women in the room and of the men who have actually made it into the new millenium, leaving the “dark ages” behind them when men dragged “their” women from cave to cave by their hair.

    Damn that woman was reading my mind.
    I was pining the other day for some good cave nookie.

    Personally, me and my penis is stuck in the sixties and I see no reason we enter the new millenium.

  219. 219.

    t jasper parnell

    May 14, 2008 at 10:38 pm

    Pandagon:

    There’s a scent of sour grapes in the air around the Clinton campaign, and from a feminist perspective, I’m boggled. Sure, I understand that it’s disappointing if “electing a female President” was a major priority for you and that’s getting thwarted. But if you support women’s rights, you need to put your support behind the Democratic nominee, even if it’s Obama and it’s likely to be. McCain can’t even support equal pay for women! He’s going to continue the assault on reproductive rights that the Bush administration started. If you support women, have some pity on us in our fertile years living in red states who sorely need a political break in our direction right now, namely a pro-choice Democrat in the White House. Which Obama is, in case there’s a whiff of doubt created by this needlessly contentious primary season.

  220. 220.

    Lynne

    May 14, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    Cynthia McKinney may be brown, but she’s also bat shit crazy.

  221. 221.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:43 pm

    tjp,

    You have to remember, pandagon is run by women ungreatful for the hard fighting those before them did to allow them to be where they are today, they’re just ungreatful children who don’t buy into the martyr complex.

  222. 222.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    Lynne Says:

    Cynthia McKinney may be brown, but she’s also bat shit crazy.

    given some of the crazed Hillary supporters, sounds like a perfect match.

  223. 223.

    John Cole

    May 14, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    Posting comments by Amanda that make sense, are reasonable, and I wholly agree with really fucks with my bearings. And I don’t want Joe Lieberman sniffing around for them, either.

    Please stop it. I think I have already agreed with her once in 2008 before this, and I am not sure how much agreement I can handle.

  224. 224.

    Dennis - SGMM

    May 14, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Well, you know, black women don’t actually exist. I’m a unicorn.

    Thanks for clearing that up, Darkrose. I was becoming cynical enough in my old age to believe that Clinton’s older, white, female demographic would only deign to support a woman who looked a lot like them. It’s a huge relief to understand that they’re not a bunch of fucking phonies and hypocrites.

  225. 225.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 10:54 pm

    John Cole Says:

    Posting comments by Amanda that make sense, are reasonable, and I wholly agree with really fucks with my bearings. And I don’t want Joe Lieberman sniffing around for them, either.

    Please stop it. I think I have already agreed with her once in 2008 before this, and I am not sure how much agreement I can handle.

    I wondered if that was making your head go a bit ‘splody like.

  226. 226.

    nightjar

    May 14, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Please stop it. I think I have already agreed with her once in 2008 before this, and I am not sure how much agreement I can handle.

    Then you’ll love this.

    From HC interview with CNN

    “I’m going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I’m still hoping to be that nominee, but I’m going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me … understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama.“

  227. 227.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 11:01 pm

    Thanks for clearing that up, Darkrose. I was becoming cynical enough in my old age to believe that Clinton’s older, white, female demographic would only deign to support a woman who looked a lot like them. It’s a huge relief to understand that they’re not a bunch of fucking phonies and hypocrites.

    I’m glad I could ease your mind on that score.

  228. 228.

    Lynne

    May 14, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Because Pat Buchanan shows up as a talking head on every single MSNBC show, sometimes one show after the other, my husband developed the theory that he must have an apartment in the bowels of their studios. Every time he needs to appear, some production assistant enters Pat’s lair, screams “Pat, wake up!”, slaps him, throws a shirt, coat and tie over his PJs, and then rolls him into the studio. Now, whenever we see him on any MSNBC show, both of us scram “Pat, wake up”! at the TV and then start laughing. Tonight, Pat looked like his head was going to explode.

  229. 229.

    Mary

    May 14, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Because I’m just cruel like that, I’m linking to a couple of other sensible, reasonable posts Amanda’s made lately. (And even though I disagree with her sometimes, I think she is pretty smart and worth reading, John.)

    Too wingnutty for the Bush administration (posted in Conservatives Sure Are Funny, Bush Admin, GLBT, Crime, Crazies)


    I love vaccines
    (posted in: Science, Signs of the Non-Apocalypse, Health Care, Science For Choads)

    Oh, and look out for “What kind of 30s housewife are you?”. I know that the third link is the killer here, so I’ll just point out that it’s still on her first page.

  230. 230.

    Darkrose

    May 14, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Ted Says:

    Link, Ted?

    Sorry, from far up thread. Here it is.

    Thanks! I love a good interweb trainwreck.

  231. 231.

    t jasper parnell

    May 14, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Posting comments by Amanda that make sense, are reasonable, and I wholly agree with really fucks with my bearings. And I don’t want Joe Lieberman sniffing around for them, either.

    Please stop it. I think I have already agreed with her once in 2008 before this, and I am not sure how much agreement I can handle.

    What do you want for this country in the next few years? More bullshit nonsense or a series of policies based on the world as it is? Accept the fact, that neither the Republican nor the Democratic machine offers a realistic way forward and then vote for the candidate most likely to fling all manner of “monkey” wrenches into the machinery. Obama, as your own fund raising has shown, owes nothing to nobody who has a vested interest in continuing the broken system under which we all suffer. He may well be wrong, and he might well be a charlatan; however, what are our option? Bat-shit crazy McCain or neo-liberal Clinton? The time has come to try something else.

  232. 232.

    Bey

    May 14, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Didn’t you know, if you have a va-jay-jay and don’t support the candidate who also has a va-jay-jay then you are a traitor to the mighty va-jay-jay

    Has anyone heard where we’re supposed to turn our va-jay-jays in?

    I’m an Obama delegate and I’m sure I can’t have it with me during the state convention this Saturday. Do I have to hang it around my neck along with the rest of my credentials?

  233. 233.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    I love vaccines (posted in: Science, Signs of the Non-Apocalypse, Health Care, Science For Choads)

    Points to her for having the tag “Choads”

  234. 234.

    Dreggas

    May 14, 2008 at 11:19 pm

    Bey Says:

    Has anyone heard where we’re supposed to turn our va-jay-jays in?

    I’m an Obama delegate and I’m sure I can’t have it with me during the state convention this Saturday. Do I have to hang it around my neck along with the rest of my credentials?

    Would it be wrong of me to say you can turn it in to me and I will gladly hang onto it until after the convention?

  235. 235.

    Cain

    May 14, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Well, you know, black women don’t actually exist. I’m a unicorn.

    Pics, or it didn’t happen.

    cain

  236. 236.

    Marc in SF

    May 15, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Hi, first time poster. I’ve been blown away by the vitriol on the Clinton sites too.. especially, when i followed the link on this thread to “No Quarter.”

    But, now I’m wondering how many of those people are ‘dittoheads’ pretending to be Clinton supporters? I started thinking that, when I saw one of them say that “Rush and Hannity” nailed it. Then the next poster agreed..

    I also check out what the posters on freerepublic and little green footballs are ‘squawking about’ every once and awhile.. and the talking points on ‘no quarter’ were identical. Lots of talk about “barry” being a muslim, communist, stealth candidate who wants to set up a dictatorship…

    That sounds a lot more like ‘dittoheads’ playing ‘operation chaos’ rather than democrats.. even Zell Miller didn’t talk like that at the ’04 Republican convention.. and he fell into the deep right end of the pool back then..

    Personally, I just want to see the best candidate win.. I do support Obama, but he earned my vote.. I like the speeches..but I took a long hard look at his positions on a number of issues.. btw, I liked Edwards better, before he dropped out.

  237. 237.

    Brachiator

    May 15, 2008 at 12:08 am

    Dennis – SGMM Says:

    My memory must be going, I don’t remember any outpouring of support from women for Carol Mosely-Brown when she ran for the Democratic nomination in 2004. Mosely-Brown served six years in the Senate, was an ambassador, a state representative and an Assistant US Attorney. Nonetheless, she sank without a trace.

    I think you mean Carol Moseley Braun. A different shade of Brown, perhaps, but still….

    From 1999 until 2001, she was the United States Ambassador to New Zealand, and later ran a private law practice.

    Even taking her presidential bid into consideration, her political career was probably derailed because of the lingering effects of her 1996 trips to Nigeria and her later absurd and vociferous defenses of the corrupt and brutal dictator Sani Abacha. It sends a mixed message when you have a progressive voting record but are morally obtuse on other issues.

    Kinda like Hillary Clinton selling herself as a stable alternative to John McCain but also promising to obliterate Iran.

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    Wolfdaughter

    May 15, 2008 at 1:17 am

    Here’s another older woman (62) who’s an Obama supporter. I was a feminist even before the movement started. I respect Hillary for her efforts towards programs for women and children, and I defended the Clintons back in the 90s when the VWRC was savaging them.

    I would love to see a woman be sworn in as President before I shuffle off this mortal coil. But that woman isn’t Hillary. Like many of you, one of the deal-breakers for me was her vote for the AUMF and the fact that she still seems to believe that she made the right choice. Her saber-rattling about Iran hasn’t helped, either.

    I, too, get very tired of hearing from HRC’s supporters that women like me, who support Obama, are somehow traitors to our sex. Grumpy, that was a great rant, BTW!

    But mostly I favor Obama because he isn’t beholden to so many special interests who have no interest in the welfare of we the people. He’s not going to be able to work miracles. If elected, he will face HUGE opposition from all sorts of entrenched interests. The best he can do is to make a small dent, and to deflect the country’s course a little. Hopefully he can make a start which can be built on by future presidents and congresses.

  239. 239.

    Medicine Man

    May 15, 2008 at 1:18 am

    Darkrose:

    Well, you know, black women don’t actually exist. I’m a unicorn.

    You also claim to have a “gaming” buddy. It is well known that women do not play games, therefore proving you must be a mirage or spoof.

  240. 240.

    KRK

    May 15, 2008 at 1:40 am

    Bey Says:

    Has anyone heard where we’re supposed to turn our va-jay-jays in?

    Actually, it’s the ovaries we’re supposed to turn in. At least that’s what I was told by a male Clinton supporter in the comments over at whiskeyfire a while back. I’m not entirely sure whether he was speaking literally.

  241. 241.

    Darkrose

    May 15, 2008 at 1:44 am

    You also claim to have a “gaming” buddy. It is well known that women do not play games, therefore proving you must be a mirage or spoof.

    Actually, since I’m a black lesbian who games and has been on the internet since 1990, I’m clearly a figment of my imagination.

    *vanishes in a puff of logic*

  242. 242.

    Asti

    May 15, 2008 at 2:07 am

    ..but he will NEVER EVER! GET THE CROWN

    Says it all, doesn’t it?

    It is embarrassing to be a woman right now, when the Hillbots are turning this into a gender race and whining like crybabies because they’re candidate is losing. How absolutely fucking sad. I’m a woman and I’m voting for Obama and the Hillbots and their scamming sham of a candidate can kiss my lily white ass!

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    Johnny Pez

    May 15, 2008 at 4:27 am

    Jesus H. Roosevelt Fucking Christ in a baby carriage.

    I’m stealing this.

  244. 244.

    PeterJ

    May 15, 2008 at 4:31 am

    But, now I’m wondering how many of those people are ‘dittoheads’ pretending to be Clinton supporters? I started thinking that, when I saw one of them say that “Rush and Hannity” nailed it. Then the next poster agreed..

    Exactly what I was going to write. I don’t read any of these blogs, so I have no idea about if the commenters writing these sort of things are Clinton supporters or if they are GOP trolls trying their best to influence real Clinton supporters to vote for McCain.

    But I guess that for example Taylor Marsh and Armando both get a big ego boost from all the commenters that they won’t care about being trolled and used by GOP trolls.

    NoQuarter on the other hand. Bat. Shit. Crazy.

  245. 245.

    Xenos

    May 15, 2008 at 6:29 am

    I think he lied about giving up booze.

    Then he lied about finding Jesus, because one allowed the other.

  246. 246.

    Krista

    May 15, 2008 at 6:43 am

    Actually, since I’m a black lesbian who games and has been on the internet since 1990, I’m clearly a figment of my imagination.

    vanishes in a puff of logic

    /applauds.

    That was awesome, Darkrose.

  247. 247.

    over_educated

    May 15, 2008 at 6:43 am

    I feel bad for laughing at the crazy people.

    This.

  248. 248.

    jake

    May 15, 2008 at 7:18 am

    vanishes in a puff of logic

    [Awards extra points for D. Adams reference.]

  249. 249.

    Genine

    May 15, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Mary Says:

    Because I’m just cruel like that, I’m linking to a couple of other sensible, reasonable posts Amanda’s made lately. (And even though I disagree with her sometimes, I think she is pretty smart and worth reading, John.)

    I agree. Amanda’s blog is one of the saner feminist blogs out there. I don’t agree with her on everything, but even when I don’t agree I can see where she’s coming from.

    She and Pam have NOT jumped on the not-voting-for-Clinton= sexist train. And, while they haven’t addressed all the batshit craziness going on, they have addressed a few things which were ridiculous.

    It’s getting so bad some commenters on Shakesville lamented about Pam’s increasing misogyny.

    Stone.Cold.Fuck.Nuts

  250. 250.

    Bob In Pacifica

    May 15, 2008 at 9:10 am

    Lynne Says:

    Cynthia McKinney may be brown, but she’s also bat shit crazy.

    There’s the story about a study of a chimpanzee clan. Apparently, there is a kind of paranoia that affects a few individual chimps. They’ll sit by themselves in trees and just holler warnings. “Watch out! The lions are coming! The lions are coming!” The people who did the research on this group of chimps removed the paranoid chimps from the tribe to see what would happen. What happened was in a few years the tribe was exterminated. The lions did come.

    The moral is that sometimes the batshit crazy among us see what’s coming and the rest of us don’t.

    Spend a couple years working in a VA hospital. Crazy people will earn your respect.

  251. 251.

    orogeny

    May 15, 2008 at 10:14 am

    Coming into this thread late, but I wanted to make a comment.

    In his endorsement speech Edwards did exactly what I have been talking about the last week or so, during which time I have repeatedly been called a “concern troll” among other things. His speech was designed to show that even though the race is pretty much over at this point and Obama is going to be the nominee, he still respects Clinton and her supporters. His words will go a long way toward bring the remaining sane Clinton supporters into the Obama camp. It makes a lot more sense to be saying, in effect, “Hillary fought a long hard battle and I respect her for it. Now that it’s over I hope her supporter’ will join us in defeating McCain” rather than “Fuck you, you idiots! Clinton is a sleaze and you’re morons! Either kiss my ass and admit you were wrong or fuck off!” as certain commenters on this site do.

  252. 252.

    Tax Analyst

    May 15, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    Soylent Green Says:

    There’s brain tissue all over the highway at No Quarter today. How about this gem?

    If I wanted Paris Hilton for a candidate, I would vote for Paris Hilton. Just because Paris got some melanin and a black suit, doesn’t mean I want her to be my nominee. Barack Paris Hilton Obama is not the candidate for me.

    Now that’s some truly frightening imagery.

    It brings back memories of that laughable Sci-Fi movie “The Thing With Two Heads”(1972). Can we get Rosie Grier to play the Barack part of this mutation? I don’t think Ray Milland (dec., 1986) is available anymore, and I don’t think he could pull off the Paris Hilton part anyway. Maybe Paris herself could be convinced to play the cameo?

    On the other hand, I did make a playful suggestion several months ago that Paris Hilton might be fashioning a run at the 2016 Presidential Election. But I don’t she could win as a black man. America is not ready to vote for a white woman posing as a black man, although by 2016 perhaps that will have changed. Think of how pissed Hillary would be if Paris/Barack beat her for the nomination?

  253. 253.

    Medicine Man

    May 15, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    Coming into this thread late, but I wanted to make a comment.

    You should check out Jay Smooth’s latest video on Ill Doctrine then, Orogeny. He pretty much agrees with you. Heck, even John Cole agrees with you; he just can’t get his readers to follow suit.

  254. 254.

    Mentis Fugit

    May 15, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Barack Paris Hilton Obama is not the candidate for me.

    I’m voting for John Joan Crawford McCain!!!1!

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