Dear Big Tent Democrat and Larry Johnson’s fringe commentariat,
From my heart to yours.
I’m sick to death of people acting like the election is a validation of their own ego. A Democrat is going to win this year one way or the other. If that isn’t enough then fine, take your ball and go home.
Open thread.
***Update***
By the way, Hillary will concede the race tonight, or if not tonight then very soon. She doesn’t want to blow up the party by throwing a massive fit at the convention. At the same time she can’t telegraph that she’s giving up or nobody will give her any more money or show up to vote for her today. The campaign has gone leaky (internal divisions that date to the Penn era must be through the roof right now) so the press already knows the game plan, but due to point 2 the campaign has to go through the motions of denying them. It’s all over but the noise.
Mary
I think we’re gonna need a bigger bottle of Vicodin.
PaulW
But on the bright side, the Rays are gonna win the AL East. Suck on it, NY and Boston!
Seriously, I don’t think there’s ever been any genuinely humble people in politics (and that includes the reportage). It’s all about the ego, regardless of party, regardless of job. It’s all about the *ME* and what *I* bring to the table with my *WIN* and *AWESOMENESS*.
John Cole
I am going to get blamed for this post.
Andrew
Nothing says fuck you like a youtube video.
Walker
Actually I thought it was you until I read your post and checked the by-line again.
MBunge
“She doesn’t want to blow up the party by throwing a massive fit at the convention.”
If the convention were the end of June or beginning of July, I have no doubt that Hill and Bill would roll the dice on a floor fight. But it’s not until August and they’ve pissed off too many party insiders to hold out until then.
Mike
4tehlulz
In before concern trolls.
Dreggas
Damn it, work is hiding the youtube goodness and I can’t see that.
qwerty42
These have been historic candidacies. They have changed the Democrats and will change the Republicans. A year ago I was unsure which I would vote for — probably only decided around Christmas. I’m glad Obama won, but take no joy in HRCs loss. A bigger election is still to be won and the Augean stables await the victor.
Nikki
According to Pandagon,
I AM YOUR NEW NEGRO OVERLORD!
Where’s my welcome?
The Earth-Bound Misfit
Those who lost need to get over themselves.
Ron Jeremy
Michelle’s “Whitey” Problem sounds like a porno I was in when I was younger and just as handsome.
Michael
That video is so funny. They aren’t even trying to fake it. I don’t think the guitars have wires. There is no piano player on stage, no organ on stage, and no background choir on stage.
The accoustic guitar has no wire, no pick up, and no microphone.
Poor Charlie has to keep drumming, otherwise it will look really bad. Mick does a good job faking it too, but otherwise, they are just kind of strumming along. Nobody even faked the guitar leads.
wingnuts to iraq
The white women need rounding up anyway.
Kali's Irritated Little Sister
Yea, cry if you want to but it is not your party.
Fuck it. I’m celebrating!
Mary
CNN is reporting that Clinton herself has said she’s open to being VP.
Betty Cracker
“A bigger election is still to be won and the Augean stables await the victor.”
Ain’t that the truth.
El Cid
This will all unravel as soon as they unleash the videotape of Michelle Obama trying to stop the Louisiana purchase.
TheFountainHead
Wouldn’t this one have been more appropriate?
Just sayin’ ;)
zmulls
When I hear the anti-Clinton comments on GOS and other sites, and read the counter-comments at Taylor Marsh, etc., I simply close my eyes and remember all the “I’ll never in a million years vote for John McCain” comments I heard from all quarters of the Republican shoutosphere, just a few short months ago.
I’m giving it a week to turn around 180 degrees….
Rome Again
All yesterday there were “I’m leaving the Hillary camp” diaries on TGOS and several of them put forth the idea that they wanted Hillary for VP (I know this is not news that Hillary might have a slot (or not!) at VP, but that her supporters are pushing it so hard is) and now Hillary has reportedly admitted she’d be open to the idea. Was there a concerted effort to float that idea? Obama supporters for the most part think it’s a terrible idea.
I do not want that nasty and vain woman on the ticket. I won’t vote for it.
El Cid
zmulls: Not only do I agree (though I give it about 3 weeks), I think that’s why certain candidate loyalists are pushing so hard right now, before that massive shift begins.
MJ
Are you a betting man Tim? You can put your money where your blog post is over at Intrade. Obama is the favorite for November at this time. A lot can happen between now and November and I think MUP will go lame by October.
I read the post and assumed it was yours.
Rome Again
Funny, I heard that song just the other day and the thought of Hillaryites went through my mind too. :)
Rick Taylor
Even if she does, it makes a big difference how she does it. Booman wrote:
zzyzx
If she gets the VP slot, she gets the VP slot. I’m not going to worry about that. I can’t believe we’ve made it to here.
Rome Again
That’s disingenuous, there are plenty of white women NOT supporting Hillary.
Beth in VA
I remember that last horrible hours at the KerryBlog–it just shut down. Everyone in charge was out of town at the last hurrah meeting. Chaos, bad feelings, it was horrible. I feel for those inside right now who don’t know what’s up exactly.
Rome Again
so zzyzyx, what you’re saying is that strongarming a candidate and trying to force him to pick a certain VP instead of allowing him to pick his own is okay?
Matthew
This isn’t a good clip, but this RS song says it all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RJfCOD_mXE
You dont know whats going on
Youve been away for far too long
You cant come back and think you are still mine
Youre out of touch, my baby
My poor discarded baby
I said, baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
Well, baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
I said, baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
You are all left out
Out of there without a doubt
cause baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
You thought you were a clever girl
Giving up your social whirl
But you cant come back and be the first in line, oh no
Youre obsolete my baby
My poor old-fashioned baby
I said baby, baby, baby youre out of time
Well, baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
I said, baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
Yes, you are left out
Out of there without a doubt
cause baby, baby, baby, youre out of time
Just Some Fuckhead
Me either.
If for no other reason than to keep HRC from being a bullet away from the Presidency. She’s got so many fucking Squeaky Fromme’s in her camp, it’s scary to comtemplate.
Tim F.
There are two kinds of people in a casino: the House and the chumps. So no. And if you were a betting man you would know to separate your heart from your money and bet on the Democrat.
Jess
Thanks for posting that YouTube, Tim. I LOVE that song, and consider it a bit of a personal anthem. I put it on whenever I’m in danger of wallowing in self-pity. Hope the Clintonistas do the same.
I’m really torn over whether I would want Clinton on the ticket as VP. A few months ago, I would have been delighted. I still think she would do an excellent job in theory, but she’s pissed off so many people and burned so many bridges I’m not sure she could pull it off in reality. It would help with party unity, but it would also help unify the opposition. Would she attract more voters than she would alienate?
Funkula
Watch out Obama!
The wages of arugula are death.
Sorry, it’s not really germane, but there isn’t a current “elitist” thread.
zzyzx
Rome – I’m saying it’s a minor concern. Obama will do what’s right for his candidacy. If he decides that it’s Clinton, I’ll trust his instincts again.
…and meanwhile at the Flowbee site, they’ve found a picture of Michelle with Farakkan’s wife. There’s breathless speculation over whether THIS could be the meeting….
…while not explaining what Louis would be doing as the major speaker at a Women’s Leadership Conference. It’s like they want to be mocked.
Neal
PaulW, that comment made my day. Been to three games so far this year myself, Friday’s being the most recent. Walk off homer in to end it – second game I’ve been to this year where that happened. Beautiful stuff. It’s been a lot of fun. We’ve suffered long enough…
Oh, and Hillary?
Well, fuck her.
Jess
I think I saw that one–you were the one with the moustache, right?
Punchy
The commenters at TL are apoplectic. They reek of people absolutely unhinged from reality. I haven’t seen that level of disconnect, conspiracy theory, and despondency since Kerry somehow lost Ohio to Bush. And that’s not meant to be hyperbolic.
Reading their comments makes me sad, b/c it just shows how completely they’ve left the rails. They’re currently mulling a conspiracy theory on the AP for trying to discourage voters from voting by printing the “Obama’s got it wrapped” story.
Even though….thats….been….news…for 3 fucking months.
Sigh.
Rome Again
According to a poll over at Kos yesterday, 73% (at the time I had voted, with over 2,000 votes) said “NO” to a Hillary VP slot.
Napoleon
TPM is reporting a new Greenberg/Carville poll out that shows the Dems could pick up 45 house seats this fall.
Jack H.
Hillary in the VP slot wouldn’t be the problem. It the team she brings; Crazy Lanny, Jar-Jar McAuliffe, Grumpy Wolfson, Hound Dog Bill, etc., etc.. I might have Obama issues by November if these jokers were pushing his message.
DonnaInMichigan
Hillary now states she wants the VP Slot, according to CNN.
Yea, well how is it to want.
Rumor has it, that she wanted the POTUS slot..
How did that work out for ya, Hil?
Oh, and now the official kick off on betting when the Clinton’s will divorce.
My bet: Bill will file sometime around January 2009. Just in case, there is a chance that ole Hillary can still pull it off and gain the nomination somehow….yanno November IS 5 months away, and well “anything can happen”….
Bill was hoping he’d become FIRST HUSBAND, in the white house, reclaiming his legacy, and what was rightly owed to his wife, after standing by him all these years…well he has seen those 3rd term dreams be sqaushed. Hillary is no use to him anymore, as she won’t be able to run again until 2016, and by that time, there will be another democrat woman, MORE qualified, that didnt have to ride on her husbands coat-tails to the White House…but instead earned it all by herself. Bill sees it now as he held up his agreement in helping Hillary to become POTUS, and unfortunately that didn’t work out. He’s done.
Just Some Fuckhead
He’ll never get out of that marriage alive.
Jon
That YouTube video is pretty charitable of you, Tim. I would’ve gone with this, myself:
Just Some Fuckhead
lol.. ain’t that the truth.
phobos
Yeah, but she could deliver the Mos Eisley vote.
qwerty42
I agree. That is the most important thing. As a reminder of the some of the real issues, here is something Sullivan posted yesterday. (Sully’s post is here.)
“Black sites at sea” … depressing to think how this administration has corroded so much it has touched.
Just Some Fuckhead
I say let the man lose on his own. It’s unsportsmanlike to handicap him with a running mate that 60% of the country loathes.
Jon
Dang, I think my snark from earlier didn’t really go thru right since I tried to embed a video, so let’s do it again:
That YouTube video is pretty charitable of you, Tim. I would’ve gone with this, myself.
But that wouldn’t be very unifying.
Democrashield
You want to read something really crazy, feast your eyes on this:
http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main/2008/06/03/163233#view_comments
cleek
OMG FACIST!
RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT
HILLARY WE LOVE YOU
LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE
H I L L A R R Y Y Y Y !!
CALL CALL CALL
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
SUE THE AP SUE THEM!
screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeech!
Neal
Damn it. This CNN thing is making me paranoid. Look at what she’s doing. Obviously people in her camp are getting off message today, scrambling, trying to figure out what to do. Now this: She’d be willing to take the VP spot. By putting this out front page on CNN and every other major mainstream news site it’s like she’s saying “give me what I want or I’m going to make you publicly refuse me”…I feel sort of paranoid to think so, but is this her attempt to use whatever leverage she may have left? Namely, her supporters?
Alright, I’m going to go attempt to turn off the CDS with some yuengling and some grass.
Notorious P.A.T.
Can a vice president be fired? It would be hilarious if Barack picked Hillary as his running mate, to get her nutcas–er, supporters on his side, then fired her 6 months into his presidency.
Waaaah! Waaaah! How could you?!?!? Hillary Clinton is an AMAZING woman who got where she is on her own vast merits! She was on the Wal-Mart board of directors! ! ! And was named one of America’s most influential lawyers! ! Clearly those accomplishments would make her a front-runner even if she weren’t married to a president! Ban that person, John Cole! Ban them forevah! !
Bonus fun fact from Hillary Clinton’s wikipedia page:
Jess
Fits like a glove, doesn’t it? Clever video, too.
Dennis - SGMM
It’s a conspiracy, I tells ya’. MT and SD would have easily made up her 198 delegate deficit. Fight on to Denver, Hillary! And then get your sorry, divisive ass off of the political stage.
slag
Friggin cultists.
4tehlulz
>>feast your eyes on this
I couldn’t read past this one. I can haz ConLaw class plz?
lol
Kali's Irritated Little Sister
I’d be in favor of Clinton as a VP candidate.
In the interest in transparency, just make the vetting very thorough and very public. I’ll quit my job, pop some popcorn, and pull up a comfy chair to watch the spectacle.
Grover Cleveland
Re: Mos Eisley
Good analogy because you will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy
The Grand Panjandrum
Nice! Mick Taylor on guitar along with the living corpse Keith Richards.
Cain
From the Hillary’s website
Someone who gets it and understands the consequences. Hopefully she reaches her fellow clintonites. On the other hand, I have a slow anger building to something white hot when I think about people like her who are have to “go it alone” because of this crazy. fucked up war. 6 fucking more months. Hold on..
cain
Notorious P.A.T.
Damn I hate that people have to write things like that. And the (maybe) worse part is, most of the “hard-working white people” who read it won’t be moved at all.
Ed Sanders
It obviously aint’ gonna happen, but it would be the best thing ever if HRC came on stage to that for her concession speech and gave a riproaring endorsement of Obama. Unfortunately, that would be too funny and classy at the same time to ever happen.
Cain
She didn’t get a single response. Heartless bastards. Ready to face any consequences in order to be vindicative… Such is the character of those who are fixated on a single candidate rather than the country. I’m not sure McCain is going to support any of their women’s issues.
cain
Notorious P.A.T.
Haha. Understatement of the day. McCain cares about one issue: war. The ones we have, and the shiny new ones he dreams about just over the horizon.
Everything else he would likely put as much thought and hard work into as Bush (who appointed a veterinarian to be federal director of women’s health).
Rome Again
As Rachel Maddow just stated on MSNBC, she has no leverage after today. :)
What of those people who are still voting in primaries today who hear she’s willing to be VP, will they possibly change their vote on account of this news?
reid
Here’s your party unity: mydd is reporting that the Clinton campaign is playing Tom Petty’s “I Won’t Back Down” and getting the crowd into a lather. Sounds like an opponent I’d want for VP!