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by John Cole|  June 4, 20086:58 pm| 130 Comments

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I keep coming back to this speech, and I really can not get over how bad it really was. If a student gave a speech this bad in a public speaking class, not only would he be failed, it would probably spark mandatory drug testing.

This is so awful, strained, and off-key, that it really does almost cause physical pain to watch. Did he even practice it? Hell, did he read it before he delivered it? I really had thought that Bush was one of the worst public speakers I had ever seen, but McCain seems to be lowering the bar.

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  1. 1.

    demimondian

    June 4, 2008 at 7:01 pm

    According to news reports, the McCain campaign had been planning this speech for three weeks.

    Three weeks.

    Given three weeks, I can write *and memorize* a one hour speech. I assume John McCain can do the same thing.

  2. 2.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    TZ has been saying McCain makes Bush look fluent. I’m beginning to agree. McCain never was a great speaker and never the sharpest knife in the draeer but now he’s also fighting the debilitating effects of advanced age and poor health.

    It’s going to get worse as his campaigning schedule gets more intense. Hell, he was this bad after taking the last three months off.

  3. 3.

    SmilingPolitely

    June 4, 2008 at 7:06 pm

    McCain, at best, came across as the creepy child molester on “Family Guy”.

  4. 4.

    dmsilev

    June 4, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    And the timing was horrible. They had to know that the networks would break away to report Obama winning the nomination roughly 2 seconds after the South Dakota polls closed. And yet, they started late, and ran later, and sure enough, McCain got cut off by “Obama Wins!”, followed by anchors chatting about Obama’s win.

    Even if Obama had come down with laryngitis and had to mime his speech, he still would have come off looking better than McCain.

    -dms

  5. 5.

    El Cid

    June 4, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    With this sort of attitude, John Cole may never be able to take the reigns of that wise, insightful, powerful, leading Democratic institution, the Democratic Leadership Council.

  6. 6.

    gypsy howell

    June 4, 2008 at 7:11 pm

    Unbelievable as it seems, McCain can actually lower the bar from Bush on many dimensions. It’s hard to imagine the republicans nominating someone who could be worse than Bush, but then along comes McCain.

  7. 7.

    NR

    June 4, 2008 at 7:12 pm

    I would like to strongly caution everyone against underestimating John McCain.

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    The Democrats were supposed to win the White House easily this year; yet McCain is either tied with or slightly ahead of Obama in the polls.

    He is an extremely formidable and dangerous candidate. To underestimate him is to lose to him. Period.

  8. 8.

    r€nato

    June 4, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    McCain, at best, came across as the creepy child molester on “Family Guy”.

    Amen.

    I saw the clips this morning and it’s stunning how bad and cringeworthy that speech was. Every time McCain says, “That’s not change we can believe in!” he gives this tight, completely fake smile that just made me go “WTF???!!??!?!?!” over and over.

    George Lakoff must have been smacking his forehead, watching that clip. (hint: “Don’t think of an elephant!”)

    I can’t wait for the debates between these two. That whole “Obama hasn’t been to Iraq!!!” crap is just a sign of things to come. The GOP has nothing but faux outrage and tired talking points.

    McCain is a pasty old rich white GOP guy; Obama is a young, dynamic black Democrat.

    The voters want change more than anything this year. Pretty easy to see how this will end up.

  9. 9.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    June 4, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    GO RED WINGS! ! ! Come on, finish it tonight! Punish the Pens for stealing your glory! 4 goals in the first period! Victory is ours ! ! !

  10. 10.

    Ted

    June 4, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    I really had thought that Bush was one of the worst public speakers I had ever seen, but McCain seems to be lowering the bar.

    Agreed. I hate to say it, considering how lowly I think of Bush’s speaking skills, but even he’s way better than this.

  11. 11.

    demkat620

    June 4, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    That speech last night was just unbelievably bad.

    Just remember, he is only the nominee because all the rest were worse than he was.

    Sweet dreams, GOP.

  12. 12.

    r€nato

    June 4, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    ‘reins’ not ‘reigns’, El Cid.

    The other black-and-white contrast; Obama speaking triumphantly in front of thousands of cheering supporters, versus McCain speaking in front of that ugly green screen with no supporters visible. Probably a good thing; he was speaking at a senior center, right?

    Shit, if I was him, my media person would have been in the dumpster this morning. If this is a sign of things to come, Obama is going to puree McCain.

  13. 13.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Republican party strategy meeting, 2007:
    “We’re fucked.”
    “We’re gonna’ get crushed.”
    “It’d take a miracle.”
    “Even Jeb won’t run.”
    “Fuck! Lieberman turned it down.”
    (In unison) “Give ’em the geezer!”

  14. 14.

    Fwiffo

    June 4, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    It makes me feel kinda bad, it’s like seeing a wounded animal hobbling along, holding up a bad leg, whimpering. And I even feel bad for feeling bad. I mean, he’s an adult person, with human dignity and stuff, but I want to pack him in a cardboard box with a blanket and take him to the vet. Then they’ll tell me there’s a surgery they can do, but I can’t afford it, so I go into debt keeping alive this poor suffering creature for no good reason.

  15. 15.

    J. Michael Neal

    June 4, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    Yeah, but there wasn’t any candidate in that race that could win the nomination. It turned out that McCain couldn’t win it less than any of the others.

  16. 16.

    4jkb4ia

    June 4, 2008 at 7:19 pm

    Please, can we have our Stanley Cup thread? I will be good.

  17. 17.

    r€nato

    June 4, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    You don’t remember the GOP primaries, do ya? Easy to understand since all we’ve heard the last few months is the Hillary/Obama drama.

    McCain winning the GOP primary was like, well, winning the Special Olympics.

  18. 18.

    Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    He won by default. He doesn’t even compare favorably to himself in 2000, let alone Obama in 2008. The notion that he’s “always” been this way is a lie. That was bad.

  19. 19.

    Punchy

    June 4, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    Shorter NR: Running against a elite, filthy-rich cult member, a philanderer/liar/crook/maniac, a slack-joweled yokel with a wife old enough to a be a daughter, and a guy from a state so backwards it makes the Sri Lanka look like MIT, he managed to garner enough votes from the few remaining halfway “normal” Republicans to beat out the other clowns.

    Obama’s wave will only increase. Yawn McCane will lose, and lose badly.

  20. 20.

    r€nato

    June 4, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    correction, in order to not offend those with learning disabilities, like Bush supporters:

    McCain winning the GOP primary was like winning the NBA’s Leastern Conference… if Boston and Detroit were moved to the Western Conference.

  21. 21.

    Danothebaldyheid

    June 4, 2008 at 7:26 pm

    I’m with NR on this one – let’s not get complacent. Nominating a black guy (however good) from the previously toxic left does not a shoe-in make, even if McCain can’t string two words together without sounding like Brian Wilson in the 70’s in the middle of a paranoiac episode. THIS IS NOT OVER YET, though a little celebration is not unwarranted….

  22. 22.

    Ted

    June 4, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    I’m absolutely going to love the election race ahead. This is just the first sign.

  23. 23.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    It makes me feel kinda bad, it’s like seeing a wounded animal hobbling along, holding up a bad leg, whimpering. And I even feel bad for feeling bad. I mean, he’s an adult person, with human dignity and stuff, but I want to pack him in a cardboard box with a blanket and take him to the vet. Then they’ll tell me there’s a surgery they can do, but I can’t afford it, so I go into debt keeping alive this poor suffering creature for no good reason.

    The ASPCA will put him down for $35.

  24. 24.

    El Cid

    June 4, 2008 at 7:35 pm

    Long may the DLC rain.

  25. 25.

    SamFromUtah

    June 4, 2008 at 7:38 pm

    He is an extremely formidable and dangerous candidate. To underestimate him is to lose to him. Period.

    Agreed. I trust Obama’s team not to get complacent and lazy, but this is definitely worth repeating. Don’t underestimate him or the rest of the Republicans, and always keep an eye out for the extralegal stuff like voter suppression and all that. And the only surprise about the October Surprise is what it’ll be, not whether it’ll happen.

    And the lesson we can learn from Clinton, right after everyone should have learned it from Dumbya, is always have contingency plans.

  26. 26.

    Blue Shark

    June 4, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    …ah c’mon…

    …didn’t his “maverickness” just impress the hell out of y’all?

  27. 27.

    shera

    June 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    What strikes me is the complete absence of young children at any McCain events. Because Obama doesn’t talk down to his audience, kids enjoy his speeches as much as adults (even though they may not understand all of it). What parent could, in good conscience, take his or her child to a McCain speech, especially given last night’s example?

  28. 28.

    Jay B.

    June 4, 2008 at 7:40 pm

    I’m with NR on this one – let’s not get complacent.

    SweetJesus! It’s been ONE DAY. And it’s not like playing that speech — and mocking it repeatedly — will hurt Obama.

    It was the worst speech I’ve ever seen. Including one at a wedding where the best man threw a drink in the groom’s face.

  29. 29.

    wasabi gasp

    June 4, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    He is an extremely formidable and dangerous candidate. To underestimate him is to lose to him. Period.

    No doubt, you speak of his mad ninga skillz.

  30. 30.

    eglenn

    June 4, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    It was the worst speech I’ve ever seen. Including one at a wedding where the best man threw a drink in the groom’s face.

    That’s just not quite enough detail about the wedding.

  31. 31.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    McCain will be a formidable candidate when he realizes that the less is seen of him or heard from him the better. That speech was a near-life experience.

  32. 32.

    wasabi gasp

    June 4, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    Rotten tomatoes are no match for the blade of McGinsu.

  33. 33.

    AkaDad

    June 4, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    I think McCain should give his speeches before the medication kicks in.

  34. 34.

    jnfr

    June 4, 2008 at 7:53 pm

    Oh, Fwiffo, that was a sad image.

    I find myself wondering whether the Republican elite really want McCain to take the fall, losing horribly in November, thus ridding themselves of this troublesome candidate, while leaving the Dems holding the bag of Republican disasters.

    Which is still a win compared to leaving the Republicans in charge of anything.

  35. 35.

    The Moar You Know

    June 4, 2008 at 7:55 pm

    McCain – blinking like a stunned cow, standing in front of a jihadi-green banner, stoned out of his mind on Gleemonex.

    This is all kinds of awesome.

  36. 36.

    The Commander Guy

    June 4, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    Maybe he didn’t have his milk crate with him.
    Maybe this threw him off.

  37. 37.

    YellowJournalism

    June 4, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    McCain, at best, came across as the creepy child molester on “Family Guy”.

    McCain phone campaign:

    Old Man: Uh, yeah, I was just wondering, uh… where the newspaper boy was.
    [beep]
    Old Man: Haven’t seen the newspaper in a couple days. Wonderin’ if he’s ever gonna come back.
    [beep]
    Old Man: Guess who? Sorry to leave you so many messages. Just lonely here. Thinkin’ about the muscly-armed paperboy. Wishin’ he’d come by and bring me some good news.
    [beep]
    Old Man: Where are you?
    [beep]
    Old Man: Ah, you’re starting to piss me off, you little piggly son of a bitch. Call me!

    Watching his speech, I couldn’t help but think that his strange grin was a result of his dentures coming loose. My grandfather used to make the same face when he ran out of Polident.

  38. 38.

    4tehlulz

    June 4, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Obviously, this is just a plan to lower expectations, so in October, he’ll surprise everyone by acting like he wants to president.

  39. 39.

    Koz

    June 4, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Then we all come back to planet Earth, where Barack Obama is helplessly out of his depth when he’s not giving a prepared speech. Kinda like our current incumbent, come to think of it. But unlike George W Bush, I think the Peter Principle will kick in one level sooner for Barack Obama.

  40. 40.

    Redhand

    June 4, 2008 at 8:00 pm

    it really does almost cause physical pain to watch.

    He looked like somebody suffering from a severe, paralyizing stroke, physically struggling to get the words out while simultaneously struggling to string them together coherently.

    All I could think of was, “Sleep tight, your air force is awake.” This is one “old soljer” we don’t need.

  41. 41.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 8:02 pm

    I think McCain should give his speeches before the medication kicks in.

    If he’s anything like my grandfather was (and he’s older), it’s all downhill from 10AM. They need to figure out to schedule some campaign events at 3AM when McCain is wide awake and full of piss.

  42. 42.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 8:04 pm

    This is weird. I keep hearing that the Clinton’s refusal to have Bill’s finances vetted was a deal breaker for the VP slot. So how would it have been okay for her to run in the general without having Bill’s finances vetted?

  43. 43.

    Kirk

    June 4, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    NR, he’s leading – by a point or two – Obama. Have you really considered what that means?

    Three months of uncontested development time, time to play “let’s you and him fight” and look like the Adult in the mess, and that’s all he has. He should have at LEAST a 5 point lead nationally at this time. As it is, the bounce Obama will get (probably, usually after a nomination is clinched – like the one McCain got) will put McCain in the downside position.

    I’m awaiting the first head to head debate – two people on the same floor – with mixed feelings. The foretelling is Nixon vs Kennedy, and I admit to cringing to see ANYONE come off that badly.

  44. 44.

    Notorious P.A.T.

    June 4, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    Running against a elite, filthy-rich cult member, a philanderer/liar/crook/maniac, a slack-joweled yokel with a wife old enough to a be a daughter, and a guy from a state so backwards it makes the Sri Lanka look like MIT, he managed to garner enough votes from the few remaining halfway “normal” Republicans to beat out the other clowns.

    I’m sorry, you’ll have to be more specific.

  45. 45.

    Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Then we all come back to planet Earth, where Barack Obama is helplessly out of his depth when he’s not giving a prepared speech.

    Maybe Obama should get Lieberman to coach him, too.

  46. 46.

    wasabi gasp

    June 4, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Barack Obama is helplessly out of his depth when he’s not giving a prepared speech.

    Can’t we just proud that he can read?

  47. 47.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Can’t we just proud that he can read?

    Can’t we all just be proud that he can remember what color socks he just put on?

  48. 48.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 8:21 pm

    Can’t we just be proud that he can read?

    The North Vietnamese broke John McCain’s reading glasses, my friend.

  49. 49.

    Kevin

    June 4, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    Then we all come back to planet Earth Skyron in the Galaxy of Andromeda, where Barack Obama is helplessly out of his depth when he’s not giving a prepared speech. Kinda like our current incumbent, come to think of it. But unlike George W Bush, I think the Peter Principle will kick in one level sooner for Barack Obama.

    Thank you, Mr. Brainsample. Care for a blancmange?

  50. 50.

    r€nato

    June 4, 2008 at 8:23 pm

    and a guy from a state so backwards it makes the Sri Lanka look like MIT

    yeah, you know what? For now I’ll be polite; Arizona isn’t exactly Bumblefuck, Arkansas. Believe it or not, we don’t all live in trailer parks out here and in fact, in 2006 we were the first state to reject an anti-gay-marriage amendment at the ballot box. Our governor is a Democrat and a lesbian and she won the last election in a landslide against a fourth-string bible-thumping wingnut who was only running because the GOP couldn’t find anybody who wanted to take her on.

    Please don’t dis my home state like that, because you really don’t know Arizona. I won’t be so polite about it the next time it happens.

  51. 51.

    SmilingPolitely

    June 4, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    There was also a bit of the drugged-up, dilated Mr. Burns from that “Simpsons” crossover with “The X-files”.

    “That’s not change you can believe in. I bring you looooooovvvvveee…”

  52. 52.

    Paul

    June 4, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    As Han Solo said to Luke Skywalker.
    “Great Kid. Don’t get cocky”

    The Democrats can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Still, I am going to positively kvell watching Sen. Obama run rhetorical rings around Sen. McCain.

    Still,to quote Jon Lovitz from Saturday Night Live episode which had a parody debate between Dukakis and Bush:

    “I can’t believe I’m losing to this guy”

    http://snltranscripts.jt.org/88/88adebate.phtml

  53. 53.

    Kevin

    June 4, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    Please don’t dis my home state like that, because you really don’t know Arizona. I won’t be so polite about it the next time it happens.

    I think you misread that comment. Those were all descriptions of people McCain was running against

  54. 54.

    r€nato

    June 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    oh, and by the way? McCain isn’t really from here. He carpetbagged it here after meeting Cindy McCain, whom he realized would be very good for his political ambitions. His residence here is purely a matter of convenience and in fact he – like our other wingnut senator Jon Kyl – has done jackshit for Arizona and instead has used the position to advance the causes of himself, the GOP and his donors. His constituents are, at best, fourth on the list of his priorities.

    I can’t think of a single thing he has done for us. I am sure he has, but I’d have to search long and hard to find out what it is.

  55. 55.

    maxbaer (not the original)

    June 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    The Repugs’ best is probably to hide McCain until November and hope the 527s can cut up Obama bad enough.

  56. 56.

    Chuck Butcher

    June 4, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Koz, you’re not going to like how bad McCain looks next to Obama in a town hall. He’s hot at that stuff. Been there and I’m a tough audience.

  57. 57.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    r€nato, I think that part of the comment was aimed at Huckabee.

  58. 58.

    Otto Man

    June 4, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    That’s just not quite enough detail about the wedding.

    Seconded. I need closure on that anecdote.

  59. 59.

    Kevin

    June 4, 2008 at 8:30 pm

    an elite, filthy-rich cult member: Romney

    a philanderer/liar/crook/maniac: Giuliani

    a slack-joweled yokel with a wife old enough to a be a daughter: Thompson

    and a guy from a state so backwards it makes the Sri Lanka look like MIT: Huckabee

  60. 60.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    June 4, 2008 at 8:31 pm

    What parent could, in good conscience, take his or her child to a McCain speech, especially given last night’s example?

    Umm, any parent who wants to teach their children how to spot a diseased rotten political party that should never be trusted with power?

    Shite, I learned all about politics from listening to my parents talk trash about Richard Nixon, and then seeing the monster himself on the Tee-Vee.

    I say we start busing in as many impressionable youngsters as we can to every McCain speech we can find. Have him speak at kindergartens and day-care centers. Yes, the kids may have nightmares for a few days, but that is a small price to pay for the chance to destroy the GOP in the 2040 elections.

  61. 61.

    Paul

    June 4, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    @renato. Punchy wasn’t dissing *Arizona*. He was dissing McCain’s competition.

    Running against a elite, filthy-rich cult member

    –Romney

    a philanderer/liar/crook/maniac,

    –Giuliani

    a slack-joweled yokel with a wife old enough to a be a daughter

    –Thompson

    and a guy from a state so backwards it makes the Sri Lanka look like MIT

    –Huckabee.

    he managed to garner enough votes from the few remaining halfway “normal” Republicans to beat out the other clowns.

  62. 62.

    Ted

    June 4, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Then we all come back to planet Earth, where Barack Obama is helplessly out of his depth when he’s not giving a prepared speech.

    A Hillary supporter! And BITTER too!

  63. 63.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    an elite, filthy-rich cult member: Romney

    a philanderer/liar/crook/maniac: Giuliani

    a slack-joweled yokel with a wife old enough to a be a daughter: Thompson

    and a guy from a state so backwards it makes the Sri Lanka look like MIT: Huckabee

    Dammit, I had almost solved it. Next time post the answer upside down and warn us.

  64. 64.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    That’s just not quite enough detail about the wedding.

    Hell, back in the day I went to a wedding where the only man in the room who hadn’t banged the bride was her father.

  65. 65.

    The Moar You Know

    June 4, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    The Commander Guy Says:

    Maybe he didn’t have his milk crate with him.

    Thank you for that link. McCain, makin’ friends everywhere he goes.

  66. 66.

    Wilfred

    June 4, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    McCain said:

    For too long, we have let history outrun our government’s ability to keep up with it.

    That has to be one of the stupidest, nonsensical howlers ever delivered by a Presidential candidate – it wasn’t just the Madame Tussaud appearance and delivery.

  67. 67.

    jibeaux

    June 4, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    I just watched the speech tonight, that was beyond creepy. Why does he keep grinning eerily, like a serial killer? I would back away slowly from anyone grinning like that.

    I was laughing last night because I was watching the CNN feed online and they were saying, “evidently McCain has started speaking again..that’s kind of a surprise…well, we’ll keep you posted on that while we wait for Barack Obama…” then they kept the camera focused on the empty podium and chit-chatted until BO came out.

  68. 68.

    wasabi gasp

    June 4, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Arizona isn’t exactly Bumblefuck, Arkansas.

    Yeah, but keep the dream alive.

  69. 69.

    ThatLeftTurnInABQ

    June 4, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    For too long, we have let history outrun our government’s ability to keep up with it.

    That has to be one of the stupidest, nonsensical howlers ever delivered by a Presidential candidate – it wasn’t just the Madame Tussaud appearance and delivery.

    It makes more sense if you think of “history” personified as a winsome West Virginia lass, and “our government” as her brother.

    Just sayin.

  70. 70.

    The Grand Panjandrum

    June 4, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    John McCain = Republican version of Michael Dukakis.

    Bring the helmet on, bitch!

  71. 71.

    The Moar You Know

    June 4, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Dennis – SGMM Says:

    That’s just not quite enough detail about the wedding.

    Hell, back in the day I went to a wedding where the only man in the room who hadn’t banged the bride was her father.

    The worst gig I ever played in my life was a wedding, where, unbeknownst to me and my fellow bandmembers, our drummer had been banging the bride all the way up to the day of the ceremony.

    We were the only ones present who didn’t know – although it didn’t take too long to figure it out once we got there. Everyone else did.

    Worst audience ever.

  72. 72.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    I’m sure I’m not the only one who has noticed that McCain’s speeches always fall into a rhetorical pattern of trochee, trochee, trochee, sneer, trochee, trochee trochee.

  73. 73.

    jvill

    June 4, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    My favorite part of that video is Kristol saying, “Seemed like a good idea to me…”

    Maybe he and David Brooks could talk over more of those bright ideas at the Applebee’s Salad Bar…?

  74. 74.

    hamletta

    June 4, 2008 at 8:52 pm

    I wanna know the name of the rocket scientist who came up with the idea of trying to pre-empt the nomination of the country’s first major-party African-American candidate, who also happens to be the best orator the country has seen in a generation.

    Because that guy needs to stay with the McCain campaign, and I’ll personally chip in for whatever will keep him happy and on the job.

  75. 75.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    I wanna know the name of the rocket scientist who came up with the idea of trying to pre-empt the nomination of the country’s first major-party African-American candidate, who also happens to be the best orator the country has seen in a generation.

    LOL! Talk about tone-deaf.

  76. 76.

    paradox

    June 4, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    I’ve been completely out of it for four days so it’s extremely pleasing to me to see my apt description of John McCain as a political carcass play out so well as I re-surface.

    The A’s swept de-twa, so I am perking along with that too. Fok hockey. Really.

    The smile was creepy, the Mr. Rogers inflection (as John said earlier) god damn creepy and condescending at the same time. On that jarring green background.

    The only threat McCain represents comes all the douchnozzles and wankstains in the clip, our chattering class of enabling media whores called journalists. But as we all saw not even they could obliterate the truth when McCain shone forth with it like that, it can’t be spun. It can’t.

    His age is a serious, serious issue. My Father is 72 was was back in bed at 1030 am last Saturday so he’s be good for a noon round of tournament golf. A 72 year old man is an old man. We need energy in a President, hello?

  77. 77.

    Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    I’m sure I’m not the only one who has noticed that McCain’s speeches always fall into a rhetorical pattern of trochee, trochee, trochee, sneer, trochee, trochee trochee.

    Obama seems to prefer dactyl-dactyl-anapest; I think that’s a better choice.

    Did that sound elite?

  78. 78.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    My favorite part of that video is Kristol saying, “Seemed like a good idea to me…”

    I liked it when one of them said, “Maybe he’ll improve.”

  79. 79.

    paradox

    June 4, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Is that the Hamletta I know from the Daily Kos?

    The world spins more gracefully with your presence, Lady. It is so very good to see you.

  80. 80.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Did that sound elite?

    He won so I don’t think we have to pretend to be salt of the earth types anymore.

  81. 81.

    Krista

    June 4, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    For too long, we have let history outrun our government’s ability to keep up with it.

    What the flying fuck does that even mean? History is the past, so is he trying to say that the government isn’t regressing quickly enough? That probably is the standard GOP point of view.

  82. 82.

    wasabi gasp

    June 4, 2008 at 9:18 pm

    What the flying fuck does that even mean?

    Darkies got loose.

  83. 83.

    montysano

    June 4, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    I go to bed last night feeling good. As Hamletta said, whoever thought McCain’s speech was a fine idea will, I pray, stay firmly in charge of Gramps’ media presence.

    Then I go to work today…….

    “So, you happy about your boy Obama?”

    “‘I’d never vote for him; he’s a Muslim”.

    “I’d never vote for him; he’s a socialist.” Um, Diana, what is a socialist? “I’m voting for McCain!”

    Then I realized: we certainly can lose this thing.

    Of course, I am in Alabama…..

  84. 84.

    El Cid

    June 4, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    He won so I don’t think we have to pretend to be salt of the earth types anymore.

    Oh, thank God. I can stop pretending to work this job so much any more and call for my chauffeur to ferry me back to my real life as a trust fund haunter of book fairs who occasionally ventures to Wal-Mart in order to sneer at the bitters who shop there, all while sampling my Whole-Foods-bought organic delicacies imported from French farms which entirely employ graduate students.

  85. 85.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    What the flying fuck does that even mean?

    McCain intends to bring history under control. His first step will be to ignore the years from 2000 to 2007.

  86. 86.

    Punchy

    June 4, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Please don’t dis my home state like that, because you really don’t know Arizona.

    Uh….yeeeeeeeahhh….I was describing Huckabee, who indeed was from Arkansas. Not dissing Da AZ at all. Mighty fine dry air out there, with a giant gash in the north and a plethora of thirsty Mexys in the southern edge.

  87. 87.

    dr. luba

    June 4, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    What are you all talking about? Mind you, I missed the speech last night (well, not so much missed as tried really, really hard to avoid), but on NPR today I heard David Frum analyze it and he called it positively brilliant.

    ………….then again, he though W wasw brilliant as well.

    Nothing like unbiased coverage from the Nice Polite Republican network.

  88. 88.

    grumpy realist

    June 4, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    The pseudo-anapest
    Moves awkwardly at best–
    Its feet are uneven, long, and retractile.
    Who hunts the beast in rhythm
    Should take his meter with him
    And still may only bag a ptero-dactyl.

    (From one of the footnotes in A Space Child’s Mother Goose.)

  89. 89.

    incontrolados

    June 4, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    I teach ESL students to give better speeches than that. I watched most of it this morning. McCain thinks he’s got an ‘aha’ moment. Whiplash is painful.

  90. 90.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    …but on NPR today I heard David Frum analyze it and he called it positively brilliant.

    He probably wrote it.

  91. 91.

    Davis X. Machina

    June 4, 2008 at 9:49 pm

    I would like to strongly caution everyone against underestimating John McCain.

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    Not because he was their best candidate, but because he was the candidate that divided them the least.

    It’s a start, but not a good start….

  92. 92.

    Dennis - SGMM

    June 4, 2008 at 9:54 pm

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    The way he made Fred Thompson not campaign and Mitt Romney become a Mormon was brilliant.

  93. 93.

    incontrolados

    June 4, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    McCain was trashed on talk radio and the internets. None of it mattered. Nothing said made a difference. That wing has no power or impact. period.

  94. 94.

    phoebes in santa fe

    June 4, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    You know, I liked that green background! It’s my favorite color and the wallpaper on my computer is exactly that color.
    I’m a “green girl” and I love almost any shade of it.

    Of course, I can’t stand McCain in any way, shape, or form.

    He was creepiness personified in that speech. But I did like the backdrop…

  95. 95.

    ThymeZone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Twenty bucks to anyone who can argue convincingly that McCain is not Mister Magoo.

  96. 96.

    wasabi gasp

    June 4, 2008 at 10:08 pm

    Twenty bucks to anyone who can argue convincingly that McCain is not Mister Magoo.

    Everything works out for Magoo in the end. Gimme my Jackson.

  97. 97.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    Twenty bucks to anyone who can argue convincingly that McCain is not Mister Magoo.

    John McCain was thirteen years old when Mr. Magoo was born. Email me offline and I’ll send you my paypal account info.

  98. 98.

    Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    By the way, I fucking called it on Clinton possibly shooting for the Pres/VP so she can use the cash designated for the general to pay debts. The Clintons are flush, but $30M is still a big chunk of change, even for them.

    After taxes and all their undoubtedly significant expenses I frankly wouldn’t be surprised if that was pushing the limits of their personal funds. That’s Romney money, and the Clintons aren’t Mitt Romney.

  99. 99.

    ThymeZone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    John McCain was thirteen years old when Mr. Magoo was born

    Proof that the Magoo character was based on McCain.

    Next.

  100. 100.

    ThymeZone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    Everything works out for Magoo in the end. Gimme my Jackson.

    McCain spent 5 years in Hanoi, came back and married the richest blonde in America, and got himself nominated for president.

    Next.

  101. 101.

    ThymeZone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    I would like to strongly caution everyone against underestimating John McCain.

    I disagree. I think the danger is in overestimating him.

    The guy is a trainwreck.

  102. 102.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Proof that the Magoo character was based on McCain.

    Next.

    Magoo is like a 150 and McCain was 13. You cheap fucking bastard. It’s on now.

  103. 103.

    ThymeZone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    You cheap fucking bastard. It’s on now.

    Sorry, the offer was not that you argue that I am a cheap fucking bastard. I could have stipulated that.

    WRT McCain-Magoo, the likeness is obvious. Who else could it possibly be?

  104. 104.

    Jay B.

    June 4, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    I like that one TZ. It literally pains me to listen non-stop to people who still think Karl Rove is a diabolical genius who can control men’s minds with but a stare.

    The level of worry right now, this far out, is just a bit panicky. And McCain is Bob Dole without the charisma.

    To close out the wedding anecdote: So the best man, the groom’s twin, starts his speech wasted to the gills. At first, the effect is almost endearing, but when he starts talking about all the girls the groom had nailed and how the fuck he ended up with this particular one (whom I had introduced him to) was beyond him. You could tell he was trying to make a joke of it, rather than simply being cruel, but it was kidding on the square. Everyone knew that the attempted drunk joke was a combination of bitterness (the best man had been married twice previously to spectacular failure, so I heard), envy (the bride was beautiful and smart) and probably jealousy toward the bride. Oh, it was charming!

    Anyway, after a few calls for him to shut up, he started getting belligerent. The groom stood up to physically restrain him, and that’s when the drink went flying.

    Oddly, it wasn’t the worst wedding I’ve ever been to.

  105. 105.

    tBone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    He was creepiness personified in that speech. But I did like the backdrop…

    I thought it was really jarring. He would have looked more at home in his natural environment – on a Chuck E. Cheese stage, surrounded by other animatronic performers.

    Seriously, WTF? That was so uncomfortable it made me feel sort of sorry for him, like the boss on The Office (the extra-cringe-worthy BBC version).

  106. 106.

    ThymeZone

    June 4, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    McCain is Bob Dole without the charisma.

    A very apt description. He also doesn’t have Dole’s basic common sense, it seems. Unlike Dole, McCain seems inclined to just blurt out any old load of crap and let other people try to figure out what the hell he is thinking.

    Dole was boring, but McCain is truly scary.

  107. 107.

    Cain

    June 4, 2008 at 10:50 pm

    Anybody read about Mitch McConnell and his little fight in the Senate with Harry Reid in regards to the outstanding judicial nominees? Poor fuck. He should really be worried bout whether he’s going to have a job this coming November. I swear with his little pinched rosy cheeks, there’s probably a lucky male intern out there whose going to climb high in the ranks.

    cain

  108. 108.

    Jon H

    June 4, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    I suspect McCain was over-coached, and badly coached, and given a speech that doesn’t suit him. He’s trying to act a part, and doing it badly.

    To give McCain his due, I bet he’s better *in conversation* than this would suggest, and better than Bush. He’s probably also better when he’s questioning someone in a Senate hearing.

    I doubt McCain would be caught on video acting like Bush did at that big G-8 dinner, talking to Blair with his mouth full, etc.

    That said, in the speech he reminds me a little of Billy Crystal’s character from SNL, the old NY talk show guy, Joe someone. (I think it’s an impression of an actual person.) Often said something like “Minkman Paints, ‘It Ain’t Just Paint'”

  109. 109.

    Just Some Fuckhead

    June 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Salman Rushdie just said on Colbert he used to be a beautiful blonde woman. Which reminded me of that joke back when the Ayatollah put the hit on him, what’s blond, has big tits and lives in Florida? Answer, Salman Rushdie. I wonder if he’s heard the joke?

  110. 110.

    Jon H

    June 4, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Adam wrote: “After taxes and all their undoubtedly significant expenses I frankly wouldn’t be surprised if that was pushing the limits of their personal funds. That’s Romney money, and the Clintons aren’t Mitt Romney.”

    Bill needs to get together with his Wall Street buds, and issue some ‘Bill Bonds’, giving him a pile of cash now, and paying out to investors based on his future earnings.

    David Bowie did something similar, though of course royalties are more reliable than speech revenue.

  111. 111.

    Adam

    June 4, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Bill needs to get together with his Wall Street buds, and issue some ‘Bill Bonds’, giving him a pile of cash now, and paying out to investors based on his future earnings.

    David Bowie did something similar, though of course royalties are more reliable than speech revenue.

    Bowie also wasn’t subject to FEC regulation. The people giving to Bill still can’t give more than the capped amount, if at all. The kicker here is that the Clintons have to foot this bill themselves.

  112. 112.

    Janus Daniels

    June 4, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    The Republican Party needed McCain. Anyone better, already left the Republicans in disgust. Republicans put up McCain because they truly have no better.
    Republicans don’t need better than McCain. They barely need a warm body (Schiavo for VP). Republicans control the Supreme Court (as the 2000 election showed us), most of the voting process (as the 2004 election showed us), most of the media, the DoJ, etc.

    Obama can win the votes easily.
    Can he win the Presidency?
    We need to do more than hope.
    If Obama wins the Presidency, we can look forward to wide range tag team attacks that make the Shift Vote Republicans for Lies look sane.

  113. 113.

    YellowJournalism

    June 4, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Hell, back in the day I went to a wedding where the only man in the room who hadn’t banged the bride was her father.

    I hope she didn’t have a brother.

  114. 114.

    chuckieboyc

    June 5, 2008 at 12:01 am

    Is it me,or does anyone else notice that, mcbush looks like the campaign is wearing him down. Obama will set a pace that will run him into the ground. In a few months it will be such fun watching a blithering old prick.

  115. 115.

    Badtux

    June 5, 2008 at 12:06 am

    country’s first major-party African-American candidate

    Uhm, guys, I know it gets confusing, what with the Washington Post invoking the “one drop rule” so beloved of Klansmen (‘boy, if ya got one drop of nigger blood in ya, you’re a nigger!’) to put the above line about Obama into a front-page story this morning in their newspaper , but: OBAMA IS NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN. He is no more black than he is white. His mother was white. His father was black. That’s 50% of each. Which you can either call “mixed”, or better yet given Obama’s message of unity, American. Let’s not give in to the racists and the “one drop rule”, okay? Obama is simply American. No hyphen involved.

    Trying to call a man who was raised by his white mother and white grandparents “African-American” says far more about America than we should be proud of.

    — Badtux the Multi-colored Penguin

  116. 116.

    GSD

    June 5, 2008 at 12:06 am

    McCain should deliver his speeches in a balcony next to a muppet named Stadler.

    -GSD

  117. 117.

    Kevin

    June 5, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Uhm, guys, I know it gets confusing, what with the Washington Post invoking the “one drop rule” so beloved of Klansmen (‘boy, if ya got one drop of nigger blood in ya, you’re a nigger!’) to put the above line about Obama into a front-page story this morning in their newspaper , but: OBAMA IS NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

    You’re absolutely right. His father being from Africa completely disqualifies him from being an African-American.

  118. 118.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 12:28 am

    NR Says:
    I would like to strongly caution everyone against underestimating John McCain.

    McCain was not supposed to win the Republican nomination; he did.

    The Democrats were supposed to win the White House easily this year; yet McCain is either tied with or slightly ahead of Obama in the polls.

    He is an extremely formidable and dangerous candidate. To underestimate him is to lose to him. Period.

    I could take him in a fight. No problem.

  119. 119.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 12:32 am

    gypsy howell Says:
    Unbelievable as it seems, McCain can actually lower the bar from Bush on many dimensions. It’s hard to imagine the republicans nominating someone who could be worse than Bush, but then along comes McCain.

    Please, you don’t think we have a plan? We’ve been working this shit since back in Gerald Ford. You will win this time and Jimmy Carter fail, and we will step in and rule the world bwahaahaa!

  120. 120.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 12:41 am

    Fwiffo Says:
    It makes me feel kinda bad, it’s like seeing a wounded animal hobbling along, holding up a bad leg, whimpering. And I even feel bad for feeling bad. I mean, he’s an adult person, with human dignity and stuff, but I want to pack him in a cardboard box with a blanket and take him to the vet. Then they’ll tell me there’s a surgery they can do, but I can’t afford it, so I go into debt keeping alive this poor suffering creature for no good reason.

    Gerald Ford.
    You all are all on about how great this is the new wonderfullness, just look back.
    McCain is offered up as the loser. He will crash and burn, we’ll elect Carter, who will epic fail, and then have another 2 decades of awful.

    Seriously, you people don’t realize the world is run by underground Illuminati lizards?

  121. 121.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 12:46 am

    Just Some Fuckhead Says:
    Salman Rushdie just said on Colbert he used to be a beautiful blonde woman. Which reminded me of that joke back when the Ayatollah put the hit on him, what’s blond, has big tits and lives in Florida? Answer, Salman Rushdie. I wonder if he’s heard the joke?

    Dude, who cares?
    http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=+big+tits&sitesearch=#

  122. 122.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 1:01 am

    r€nato Says:

    Please don’t dis my home state like that, because you really don’t know Arizona. I won’t be so polite about it the next time it happens.

    And Arizona don’t have nearly the redneck asskicking power of WVa, punk. And I’m about sick of you arizona fags cracking on Bumblefuck Arkansas.

  123. 123.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 1:14 am

    Badtux Says:
    Uhm, guys, I know it gets confusing, what with the Washington Post invoking the “one drop rule” so beloved of Klansmen (‘boy, if ya got one drop of nigger blood in ya, you’re a nigger!’) to put the above line about Obama into a front-page story this morning in their newspaper , but: OBAMA IS NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN. He is no more black than he is white. His mother was white. His father was black. That’s 50% of each. Which you can either call “mixed”, or better yet given Obama’s message of unity, American. Let’s not give in to the racists and the “one drop rule”, okay? Obama is simply American. No hyphen involved.

    Oh please, Obama isn’t afraid to define himself as an African American.
    http://tinyurl.com/4t6q4v
    Get over yourself with your white guilt.

  124. 124.

    Shygetz

    June 5, 2008 at 1:43 am

    Obama is African-American in the one way that really matters–when he walks down the street, people look at him as a black man, and those inclined to treat black men differently than others will act on that assumption. I hate to tell you this, but racists (overt and otherwise) usually don’t do thorough genealogy checks before they discriminate.

  125. 125.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Shygetz Says:
    Obama is African-American in the one way that really matters—when he walks down the street, people look at him as a black man, and those inclined to treat black men differently than others will act on that assumption. I hate to tell you this, but racists (overt and otherwise) usually don’t do thorough genealogy checks before they discriminate.

    Indeed, just like those who would willy-nilly crack on the ‘homos’ and the ‘WVa Rednecks’ and the ‘sorry geeks who spend way to much time online’.

    I’m telling you, it really sucks being an african-american homo redneck geek.
    You know what’s even worse? Being an african-american, jewish-american, irish-american, first-nation homo redneck geek from the Ozarks.

    You just don’t get no respect.

    Its like you aren’t american or something,

  126. 126.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 2:18 am

    Shygetz Says:
    Obama is African-American in the one way that really matters—when he walks down the street, people look at him as a black man, and those inclined to treat black men differently than others will act on that assumption. I hate to tell you this, but racists (overt and otherwise) usually don’t do thorough genealogy checks before they discriminate.

    Indeed, just like those who would willy-nilly crack on the ‘homos’ and the ‘WVa Rednecks’ and the ‘sorry geeks who spend way to much time online’.

    I’m telling you, it really sucks being an african-american homo redneck geek.
    You know what’s even worse? Being an african-american, jewish-american, irish-american, first-nation homo redneck geek from the Ozarks.

    You just don’t get no respect.

    Its like you aren’t american or something,

  127. 127.

    Thomas Smith

    June 5, 2008 at 2:26 am

    Thomas Smith Says:

    Prolly best if you don’t double post, dumbass.

  128. 128.

    gogiggs

    June 5, 2008 at 2:47 am

    That speech actually made Tim Calhoun look good.

    http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=18382797

  129. 129.

    Dave_Violence

    June 5, 2008 at 3:44 am

    Obama is African-American in the one way that really matters—when he walks down the street, people look at him as a black man,

    Where’s Puddin’head Wilson when we need him?

    I don’t look at BO as an African-American. I look at him as a collectivist lefty I won’t vote for… I do, however, think it’s “awesome” that a person of his ethnicity is the candidate.

    So there, nyaah!

  130. 130.

    Jinxi

    June 5, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    OBAMA IS NOT AFRICAN-AMERICAN.

    My daughter has a white mother (me) and a Black father. I was her primary caregiver. But she will tell you that she’s a young Black woman. Not because she doesn’t respect her white heritage, but because the majority of white people around her refused to acknowledge that she IS part of them too. Those same idiots will look at Obama and refuse to acknowledge his white heritage just in the same way. Deal with it. There is no doubt that Obama felt that same kind of alienation, though maybe not so much in Hawaii as when he moved to Illinois.

    By the way, I’m from Southeastern Ohio, in that dastardly Appalachian region. It really is as bad as you think it is.

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