According to ABC News:
Sen. Hillary Clinton will hold an event with supporters by Friday, likely ending her historic bid for the White House and ceding the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, ABC News has learned.
I don’t know why she has to wait till Friday, but it’s good news. We can now get on with defeating McCain in November.
Soylent Green
She will either be conceding or handing out McCain bumper stickers.
John Cole
Whatever. She didn’t say which Friday. This will never fucking end. EVER.
Just Some Fuckhead
It would be more appropriate NEXT Friday. (Check your calendars.)
rob!
HALLELUJAH!
Clinton, if she does it, will be a hell of a surrogate for Obama, in communicating to her audience. if she can get even just a chunk of her following to go to Obama, McCain will be roasted come November.
Dreggas
I was thinking the same thing after clicking submit on the other thread. It’s media speculating she’ll quit friday, however she may just be gathering them together to announce an independent run as “Americans For Hillary”.
Zifnab
I almost want to see her run as an Independent because, honestly, I think Obama will still win. Nothing would make me happier than to see Barack Obama win in November while John McCain comes in third.
Tzal
I dunno what’s up with my internet, but the ABC link brings me to some hippy site with McCain superimposed over a porno shoot.
Just Some Fuckhead
Bloomberg as the VP and they can self-fund.
Laertes
Lady, nobody cares. If you’d conceded back when it mattered, that would have been news. This sorry display? This is just more “pay attention to meeeeeeeee.”
Does the losing coach call a press conference to “concede” on the Wednesday following the Super Bowl?
No. Shut up and go away. You didn’t have the guts to finish with any kind of dignity. It’s too late to get it back.
Just Some Fuckhead
It is driving me fucking crazy listening to these “journalists” on TV talking about how unexpected and incredible it is to see Obama pull this off when THEY ARE THE ONES WHO KILLED HILLARY’S CHANCES IN THE FIRST PLACE!
EeeeekEeeekEeeeek!!!
/Clintard
Just Some Fuckhead
Except she won anyway!
/Clintard On Second Thought
Notorious P.A.T.
If this is true, I’ll be so happy I could engage in some “Hezbollah”-style fist-jabbing.
D. Aristophanes
‘Hippy site’, Tzal? ‘HIPPY SITE’?
We at S,N eat hippies for breakfast and shit them out in the morning.
Then we burn incense and have a drum circle.
Brachiator
I’ll believe it when I see it. Obama’s team had better send a stenographer, two notaries, three video crews, several witnesses, some priests, and a polygraph expert — and keep a couple of exorcists in reserve.
Otherwise, a Clinton concession might be harder to later verify as a sighting of Bigfoot.
Dennis - SGMM
Our girl will never give up! Without her, the misogynistic enemies of America’s downtrodden Clintons will have won! She will continue to carry the banner of Clinton-Americans to Denver and beyond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jesse Taylor
Did she say she was dropping out of the primary election or just the general? Because she could drop out of the November race and still run through the convention.
Just saying.
Dreggas
Don’t forget the contract to be signed in blood.
TheFountainHead
This is dedicated to John Cole, since he just can’t stop posting about Hillary Clinton.
El Cid
If and when some decent recognition of the reality comes from HRC, I will wish her the best of luck and appreciate her accomplishments in this campaign, despite the way I might have felt right before that point.
empty
More than 17 million people voted for her but hell, Laertes says nobody cares. So thats it then.
SamFromUtah
Whatever. She didn’t say which Friday.
Yup. Like Brachiator said, I’ll believe it when I see it.
Dennis - SGMM
FDL must still be down.
Jay B.
Calm down John.
It’s taken three weeks longer than I predicted about a month and a half ago, but it’s happened in the exact way I had posted: The party would confront her with reality, she’d kick and fight a little, try and extract something and eventually leave the race, still a Democrat.
I can’t vouch for some of her followers — but she’ll rally. She’s not a Lieberman. I know that as a former Republican, coalescing around the leader comes instinctively, and it’s probably the right way to do things, but the Democrats have never done things the easy or tidy way.
The upside is there is plenty of time for things to settle in — and after the Worst Speech in Presidential History McCain puked up yesterday, this part of it might even be fun.
Let’s at least try and be optimistic for at least a little while.
Just Some Fuckhead
I for one will glad of the name change from Appalachia to Clintonia. Appalachia is so damned hard to spell.
TheFountainHead
So remember last night when we were joking that the wingers were gonna go nuts because Obama was wearing a flag lapel pin?
HA HA.
h/t Sully.
Zifnab
Wow. Tell it to Al Gore.
If you don’t like the Democratic Primary System that everyone agreed to back in 1980, perhaps you should have voiced your concerns sometime before the exact moment that Hillary realized she was going to lose.
However, Obama still carried the most states, raised the most money, won the most in every delegate count – pledged and super – and won the most votes assuming you’re not so dishonest as to discount half of Michigan and all caucuses.
So you’re dick out of luck. Obama won. Black for President. *sticks out tongue* *giant raspberry* And you can’t have the VP slot either. Nya-nya-nya.
/childish
Natascha
I bet she’s going to change her mind between now and Friday.
Especially when she surrounds herself with douchebags that chant “Denver” all day.
Dennis - SGMM
62,040,610 voted for George W. Bush. Despite that, I wouldn’t want him for Obama’s VP.
empty
But it’s so you!
JL
Hillary’s backers in Congress finally talked to her. Actually, they probably twisted her arm.
rob!
it must be true, otherwise McCauliff The Pathetic would be all over cable saying it isn’t true by now.
Martin
I think she handled this ending pretty decently, to be honest. She fluffed up her own accomplishments on Tuesday so she could walk out not as a loser. She deferred to her voters what she should do (even though they have no say, they get to feel as though they have a say) and 3 days makes it look like it was HER decision to end the campaign and not someone else pushing her out. It also gives her supporters time to make that move themselves.
For all those supporters that have seen sexism at every turn, having Clinton end the campaign not at the time of her choosing would only give them more to take offense with. By making it her choice, it’ll be easier to bring the party together.
Her speech last night was odd in some respects but pretty good overall. If she can go out and say that she’s fighting for them and then say that Obama is the best way to do that, there really can’t be any better outcome, really. And that’s what has been set up here.
zmullls
Ummm…isn’t tomorrow her mother’s birthday? Or tonight? Maybe that’s why she’s not doing anything until Friday.
Not everything has to have a nefarious reason….
Tlaloc
Open thread?
Tony Rezko was just found guilty on 16 charges. The AP story mentions both Blagojevich and Obama in the teaser (even though neither have been indicted for anything yet). Redstate already has three threads on the topic. Expect it to be the story for the next couple weeks.
rob!
all will be forgiven if she busts her ass to get Obama elected. that’s the least she should do.
bill clinton, on the other hand, should stay inside, with DVDs of Bound, Showgirls, and Ugly Betty Season 1 to tide him over.
Damned at Random
I think she just needed a chance to collect her thoughts about what she wants for her legacy. Really- I think the way she kept going all this time is she would not let herself consioder the possibilty of concession – she put her fingers in herears, said La, la, la, and ran like hell from one event to the next. Now she needs a good nights sleep and decide if she is a soldier or a spoiler.
The answer will be soldier – she will do her duty – and maybe be rewarded with a cabinent post
TheFountainHead
So goes RedState, so goes the nation??
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Concern corrected.
Just Some Fuckhead
Martin, you can’t be serious. On the night the Democratic nominee was decided, an historic night for African-Americans (and I think progressives too), she called the whole process into question and tried to delegitimize his victory using out-and-out lies about the popular vote and suggesting all of her votes weren’t being counted. She refused to acknowledge his crossing the threshhold necessary for victory and she left the entire process in limbo, including not telling her surrogates how to proceed.
You can strike all the magnaminous chords you feel need to be heard but it just fucking reeks. She handled it ALMOST as poorly as possible. I say “almost” because my prediction had her yelling “On to the convention in August!” and somehow she missed this line on the teleprompter.
SamFromUtah
More than 17 million people voted for her but hell, Laertes says nobody cares. So thats it then.
No really – what was the point of posting this?
Pretty thin gruel for outrage.
joe in oklahoma
lemme guess why on friday: because friday is the 6th and Bobby Kennedy was assassinated on the 5th, so if Barack lasts that long, her four inferences on shootings and “anything can happen” will have played out….???
JL
Personally, I thought the timing of the release of the possible suspending her campaign was interesting. Was Barack get to much news time?
Dennis - SGMM
A Clinton campaign insider has released a partial list of Hillary’s demands:
Payment of her campaign debt.
Obama’s campaign to hire Bill as a consultant at one-million dollars, plus expenses, per month.
Vice President, with the proviso that Congress will change the title to “The Other President.”
Chelsea to named Secretary of Commerce.
Bill to receive life-time membership in the D.C. Gentleman’s Club and twenty thousand dollars in one-dollar bills.
vwcat
Obama team signaled that they will not be having Clinton on the ticket. They are using Bill’s business dealings as one reason!
Also, From the front page of the daily kos, Obama took Liebershit to the woodshed today in the senate:
[D]uring a Senate vote Wednesday, Obama dragged Lieberman by the hand to a far corner of the Senate chamber and engaged in what appeared to reporters in the gallery as an intense, three-minute conversation.
While it was unclear what the two were discussing, the body language suggested that Obama was trying to convince Lieberman of something and his stance appeared slightly intimidating.
Using forceful, but not angry, hand gestures, Obama literally backed up Lieberman against the wall, leaned in very close at times, and appeared to be trying to dominate the conversation, as the two talked over each other in a few instances.
Still, Obama and Lieberman seemed to be trying to keep the back-and-forth congenial as they both patted each other on the back during and after the exchange.
Jake
In the Barack Wins thread last night, when Cole and the rest of you were freaking out, I wrote:
So you know, Cole, you can suck it. You’re still freaking out man. Chill. It’s O-V-A-H.
Just Some Fuckhead
lolz (with acknowledgement that some don’t have my robust sense of humor)
Just Some Fuckhead
lmao
Tlaloc
“So goes RedState, so goes the nation??”
More like “so goes RS, so goes a thousand wingnut media outlets…”
“Concern corrected.”
Yeah, cause nobody has been talking about the mythical “whitey” video. You aren’t still living in the days when news had to be true to have an impact, right? Cause technically those days _never happened._
Just Some Fuckhead
Christ, that one’s even funnier than the other one..lol
Conservatively Liberal
Fixed.
Interesting. Here we just shit all over the trolls. We like to keep it simple. ;)
Going for that ‘Hail Rezko’ pass now? Keep flogging that poor dead horse Tlaloc, I think there may be a tiny bit of meat left on its bones.
Yup. When all 25 people at RedState are pissed off about something, it matters. To them.
Just Some Fuckhead
Yawn
The Other Steve
Haven’t we heard this one before?
Tlaloc
“Going for that ‘Hail Rezko’ pass now? Keep flogging that poor dead horse Tlaloc, I think there may be a tiny bit of meat left on its bones.”
Over 850 news articles on news.google.com about it so far and it happened a couple hours ago. 125,000 google hits so far. Want to bet whether that number quadruples over night?
Tiny bit of meat, indeed.
dorkboy
I guess the email suggestions she got from her adoring hordes of bitters told her to pack it in.
But there’s still hope hillmaniacs you’ve got ’til Friday to talk her back from the ledge.
Rick Taylor
I agree with the fuckhead. She had an opportunity to to out on a high note on Tuesday, having fought the fight to the end, but now acknowledging the results, putting party before herself and bringing everyone together on a historic night. It could have been a powerful call for unity, and it would have put egg on all Clinton-cynic’s faces. Now she’s only leaving after Hilary Rosen wrote an opinion pieces saying she blew it, after Charlie Rangell said she was putting supporters in a bind for no good reason, after Rendell came out and criticized the brinkmanship over the VP slot. So contrary to what you said, doing this way makes it look like she’s being metaphorically dragged out, which I imagine is actually what’s happening. Plus we still don’t know what she’ll say on Friday. I’m hoping this will be the time she congratulates and starts to support the elected nominee full-heartedly, rather than another attempt to tell us she actually got more votes than him. I hope so, but I’m sure not betting on it. And in any event, she missed an opportunity on Tuesday.
JGabriel
Michael D.:
Because Clinton likes to deliver bad new on Friday?
No, wait, that’s the Bushes.
Ok, seriously, Clinton apparently came to the decision today, likely after much pressure from her supporters and major donors. Clinton, the DNC, and the Obama camp all want to make this a graceful exit for Clinton that helps unite the party around Obama. That means it also needs to be very, very public.
So, they’re all negotiating what Hillary will say, where the event will be held, what kind of coverage they want, backdrop, etc. Taking a day to organize all of that brings us to Thurday, add another day for speechwriting and final negotiations and we’re at Friday.
That’s probably about the quickest this could have happened under the circumstances, especially booking a neutral indoor NYC venue large enough for several hundred people in less than 24 hours.
So that’s why Friday. Not that surprising really. The Clinton’s probably would have preferred a little more time, say Monday or Tuesday, but I’m sure the party and the Obama campaign pressed for a Friday presser to close this out before the weekend – just to prevent it from being an unresolved topic for the Sunday news shows.
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rob!
huh, hillaryis44.org doesn’t mention HRC dropping out, but does devote space to the Rezko conviction. how odd!
TheFountainHead
Any of those news articles accusing Obama of any wrongdoing? Read them all, then get back to me one that.
Dennis - SGMM
You tell ’em! on the other hand, there are 687 hits on news.google.com for “vampires” as well as 25,500,000 google hits on the same subject. There are also 221 news hits for “killer rabbits” and 640,000 hits for same.
Richard Bottoms
Oh please.
Those of us who never bought the evil lesbian slasher Hillary crap from the GOP, or the maniacal end of the world Hillary we’ve heard about since Iowa, are not surprised at all about this turn of events.
She ran. She lost. She’s conceding and backing a Democrat to kick McCain’s ass.
In other news, the sun will rise around 5:30am on Thursday.
Trolls and CDS’ers, the bane of my existence.
Conservatively Liberal
You inspired me to run a search query in reference to rabid Hillary supporters. So I did a search for “idiot”, and I got over 154,000,000 hits.
BTW, I also did a search for “Clinton Foundation donor list” and I got over 3,000,000 hits.
Your turn.
Just Some Fuckhead
Or they implored her to endorse the other Great White HopeCrusher, McCain.
Otto Man
1,670,000 hits on Google for “Hillary delusional”
This is fun. Thanks, Tuvok!
John S.
Damn, I must be psychic or something:
Pay up, bitches!
Just Some Fuckhead
Even if she endorses, she’s still gonna have twenty more minutes of words about herself because that is what is important here. And to that end, she’s still going to perpetrate the myth that she won by some metric or another, which is total bullshit.
Everyone keeps expecting better of her like there’s ever been any evidence of a better side to her.
Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill
You know our media is in a a sad shape when The View — esp. Whoopie Goldburg — is better able to explain why Clinton has failed, and does not need to be VP, than the legions of pundits.
Really. That video is worth it’s weight in gold.
(snagged off a thread on TPM)
Chris Andersen
I think Clinton finally got the message from other party leaders that they simply wouldn’t allow her to try and force herself onto the ticket (by leveraging her supporters into an anti-Obama chorus). I suspect she heard from a LOT of her own supporters telling her to knock it off.
Woodrow "asim" Jarvis Hill
Don’t know where the link went to for the video (showed up in preview), but:
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4997318
John S.
And by the way John, that’s twice I’ve been spot on with my political visions…
Why, I think I deserve a front page slot for my further predictions!
JGabriel
John S.:
John S. wins the Clinton Concession Prediction, barring Obama being hit by lightning or meteor.
Do we pay up now, or wait till the concession is finally, definitively, undeniably and irrevocably, on youtube?
I’m betting the crowd says, “Wait.”
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Tlaloc
I see winning the nomination did nothing to abate the group think.
“Any of those news articles accusing Obama of any wrongdoing?”
Duh, no. Now do you really think that matters at all? As I pointed out the _Associated Press_ is putting both Obama and Blagojevich’s name in the lede of the story. What impression do you think that creates?
How can I make this easy enough for you to get? IT DOESN’T MATTER IF THERE IS ANY TRUTH TO THE IMPLICATION. The Implication alone is enough to feed the story for a few weeks, by which time you’ll have your next scandal. And so on, all the way to November.
John S.
Well, it is Hillary, so that’s probably a good idea.
Jeff
Nothing would make me happier than to see Barack Obama win in November while John McCain comes in third.
I’m hoping she doesn’t run as an independent, but if she does, I’d like to see:
Obama — 70%
Barr — 20%
McCain — 9.95%
Nader — 0.04%
Clinton — 0.01%
That would be fun!
Conservatively Liberal
Yes it can feed the story. With Hillary supporters like the Hillaryis44 people who also run rezkowatch and the rabidly loyal Clintonistas like yourself, you people are the ones out there trying to make this non-story into a story. In fact, your posting here adds more hits to a search that only reinforces your false assertion of popularity.
We need better trolls! This is a shamefully pitiful performance Tlaloc.
Helena Montana
Sorry, late to the party. Just Some Fuckhead Said:
No, sorry. Hillary is the one who killed Hillary’s chances in the first place. She did it to herself. I have never in my almost 60 years seen such a badly run, self-defeating campaign. Furthermore, she was transparently dishonest and she pandered to the worst in human nature. Republicans may love that behavior and even some Democrats, but most Democrats don’t. If Hillary wants to blame her loss on someone, she needs to look in the mirror.
Helena Montana
Oh, you were being sarcastic. Never mind!
Conservatively Liberal
HM, I think you missed the “/Clintard” switch at the end of JSF’s post.
You been had. ;)
Tune up your Snark-O-Meter!
Tlaloc
“Yes it can feed the story. With Hillary supporters like the Hillaryis44 people who also run rezkowatch and the rabidly loyal Clintonistas like yourself,”
Why are you guys so painfully binary? “Oh, he’s saying something that doesn;t fit our established narritive on Obama, he must be a Hillary supporter!”
Get a clue. Between Hillary and Obama I would pick Hillary, yes, but on a list of 100 good choices for president I wouldn’t have Hillary anywhere on the list.
Again- get a clue.
“you people are the ones out there trying to make this non-story into a story.”
So wait, do I run the Associated Press? Or are you saying Hillaryis44 does?
” In fact, your posting here adds more hits to a search that only reinforces your false assertion of popularity.”
How’s that, precisely? Looking here I saw the story wasn’t posted. Okay, not exactly a shocker. So I went ahead and posted it to help people get up to speed. Naturally that went over well, because there’s a fundamental respect for knowledge among the hardcore obama supporters.
Do you guys even realize how much like the paultards you are acting?
Gail Siponen
6.6.08: the 40th anniversary of the death of RFK…how ironic and crass. How typical of the tone deaf HRC. You would think after her recent comments she’d show more, oh I don’t know, sensitivity. When will we ever learn?It’s not in the DNA.
Conservatively Liberal
I hear that Yawn McBu$h is desperate to be seen in the huge crowds that Obama draws, so he wants ten debates with him from now through the fall.
I say let McBu$h enjoy his broom closet sized crowds for at least the next three months. Nothing like rubbing the lack of Republican support in their faces for awhile, and the press would have a blast contrasting the differences between the candidates and their supporters.
That will set the tone nicely for this fall.
JGabriel
Rick Taylor:
I’d bet dollars to doughnuts that particular piece of rhetoric was part of the negotiations, as in:
“Don’t. Just don’t do it again. We know it’s a lie, you know it’s a lie. Mention it again, and you get nothing. And no, that’s not a promise of reward, it’s a guarantee of punishment. Just don’t go there and we can talk about the other stuff. Go there, and we don’t.”
The popular vote talk is one of the most dishonest and divisive pieces of rhetoric to come from Clinton. I would think that’s one of the top priorities Obama and the DNC have re: things to shut down.
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Jake
Well, I’ve bashed Jeralyn as much as anyone around here, but check this out:
Good for you Jeralyn. I’m really not sure I would have been anywhere near as gracious had our places been reversed.
Conservatively Liberal
I’m losing you, you are going out of range again. Let me move closer to your position.
Can you hear me now?
You must not be using Verizon. All I am getting is static now.
jake
CNN just reported that Hillary has moved the event she planned in DC to Saturday in order to accommodate more of her supporters.
Gah.
Look lady, we’re trying to have a Pride Festival here. Could you take your track suit clad, shaved head freak show somewhere else? Thanks.
The Grand Panjandrum
Dear Balloon Juicers,
Please shut the fuck up and be more gracious in victory. Our guy won. It is now time to focus on kicking McCain’s ass.
As an old Cornhusker fan the BEST lesson Tom Osborne taught his players was to be gracious in victory, AND when you score a touchdown don’t go crazy. Act like you’re going to get back to the endzone AGAIN.
Obama is at halftime. Lets act like we’re going to get back to the endzone again and win this motherfucker. Jesus! Please stop with the Chicken Littel Candy Ass bullshit.
Jesus Babbling Christ! Our guy won. It really is over. Let Clinton take her time. She will do the right thing.
Tlaloc
“I’m losing you,”
I can tell. It’s probably because of the fingers in your ears.
If it makes you feel better know that I can’t force you to learn anything. You have total control over how ignorant you remain.
Congratulations, I hear it’s nice.
Just Some Fuckhead
How mentally flawed do you have to be to get yer kicks out of trolling snotty little remarks hoping for an argument from a stranger? I mean, my kids will sometimes get tired and start picking at each other and I’ll just make ’em read Tllaloc and say, “Do you want to grow up to be a pariah that everyone despises and ridicules?” Then they’ll say, “What’s a pariah?” and I always answer the same way: a cross between a jackass and a monkey.
Conservatively Liberal
Gotta move the goal posts one more time, just for old times sake. ;)
It ain’t over until the former First Lady sings. She just moved the concert date. We can be nice when this is over.
We’re getting there, but not quite yet.
cleek
we’ve been hearing that for three months now. forgive us if we don’t believe it before we see it.
Rarely Posts
Many of you people have ugly souls.
Tlaloc
“How mentally flawed do you have to be to get yer kicks out of trolling snotty little remarks hoping for an argument from a stranger?”
Go back and look at how this conversation started, you’ll notice my remarks weren’t the snotty ones. But yeah when people are dip shits I don’t have a problem pointing that out to them. It goes something like this:
Me: (neutral statement of fact)
resident dipshit: (dipshittery)
Me: You’re a dipshit, here’s why- (statement of fact).
JGabriel
Jake:
Yep, the NY Times is also reporting that the announcement will be in DC instead of NY. But they’re still saying it will be on Friday.
If it does move to Saturday, it’ll probably because moving the event to DC introduced a delay in finding a venue for it.
Annoying, but not a big deal as long as the announcement still comes before the Sunday talkers.
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Conservatively Liberal
I’m sorry to hear that, but at least you seem happy!
The Grand Panjandrum
That is why its important to be gracious in victory. Clinton supporters (and I don’t know if Tialoc is one) are upset she didn’t win.
How WE comport ourselves is important. Its only halftime. Act like you’re gonna get back to that endzone.
cleek
you should see my ass!
Tlaloc
“I’m sorry to hear that, but at least you seem happy!”
Stay classy CL. Like I said, nice to see you guys are virulently opposed to facts you don’t like. Way to disprove the “obama cult” meme.
Conservatively Liberal
Coming from you, that’s a compliment. Thanks!
Just Some Fuckhead
Maybe it will just get bumped all the way across the calendar and country until we’re at August and Colorado. Hmm, any venues in the Denver area in August?
JGabriel
The Grand Panjandrum:
Agreed. A little more graciousness and a little less of the sore winner attitude would be welcome. Any more gracelessness on Clinton’s part only hurts her. We can afford to be magnanimous at this point.
Yes, we can.
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dorkboy
Yeah, well I’m an Oakland Raider fan, and I don’t see the endzone nearly enough!
The Grand Panjandrum
After a few more shots of Tequila Anejo I’ll bite (so to speak). But it better be a nice ass! My wife frowns on infidelity so make it worth my while.
Rome Again
She may be conceding (finally) from the 2008 race, but her supporters are fully ready to put her up against Obama (should he win – and of course that’s a damn good possibility) and divide the party further in 2012.
Alegre on MyDD MUST be a Republican plant, and folks at Hillary is 44 and Talk Left have eaten it up as well.
These are NOT Democrats, not by any standard.
Jeff
Err… MSNBC now says it’s Saturday… Why we have to wait 3 days, and do it during the typically “where news goes to die” weekend, I have no idea. But whatever.
Conservatively Liberal
I like to think of myself as someone who crosses a bridge once I get to it. Trying to cross it before it is even in sight (or even built yet) is an exercise in futility. Like your lame position on this non-story. Futile.
But keep on crossing that bridge that doesn’t exist yet. Maybe you will find some suckers to follow you over the edge.
John Cole
Yes, all the people wondering why she did not concede when she lost all have dark souls, but the person who needed an intervention by 8 senators to let her know she had lost is just normal.
jake
You do know that you’re addressing (some) people who support Obama, not Obama himself, don’t you? There are no players here, only voters. Therefore your Cornhusker analogy is only interesting to those of us who snicker at words like cornhusker. (Guilty!)
If someone is so fucking thin-skinned that snark will cause him to stay at home on Nov. 4th or vote for McCane, that person really should avoid all contact with the rest of the world.
JGabriel
Just Some Fuckhead:
Like I said, as long as it comes before *this* Sunday’s talkers. Any later than Saturday, and Clinton will lose even more credibility with the party, the DNC, and the Obama campaign. It’s unlikely she wants to push it that far.
I do appreciate the basis for your skepticism. I just don’t share it because, well, Clinton basically walked herself right up to the ledge with her tactless speech Tuesday night – now, she knows there are people willing to push her off it unless she walks back from it very carefully.
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ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Don’t bash Hillary for something she hasn’t done yet. At the conclusion of Countdown, KO was spooling out minute-by-minute reports including the news that there will be two events: a private gathering on Friday between Hillary and her supporters, and a public event on Saturday.
So the June 6 date is ambiguous.
Sorry, John S.
Of course this could turn out to be an unfounded rumor, so who knows. We probably won’t know until tomorrow what the actual schedule is going to be.
Rome Again
Or at least the internets.
I mean, what does the word “Liberal” mean if it doesn’t mean “Live and Let Live?”
Rome Again
YEEE-HAW!
According to MSNBC (Abrams): HRC won’t be the VP, simply because she and Bill refuse to reveal the names of their Library doners?
What the hell are they hiding?
Queixada
She’s “suspending” her campaign on SATURDAY.
Big difference.
w vincentz
Act III, scene 2: ACTION
Setting, hot tub at Chappequa
Action
Bill: Hilladarlin’, ya know I already told ’em it’s over.
Hillary: It is?
Bill: Hillbabe, you’re talkin’ to the guy who knows what the definition is IS! (wink).
Hillary: What is going on?
Bill: Sorry Hillgirl, you is now a was.
pan out, note female lead holing male lead’s head under the water. scroll thoughts…water torture.
Cut…print
Andrei
In case you needed any more confirmation:
http://www.democrats.org
Just Some Fuckhead
I’d give her a time machine if she’d go back to Tuesday and give the speech again and concede. But we all know as soon as she got in the time machine, she’d hijack it back to February 1st and hold a huge press conference to decry the hate-filled rhetoric coming out of Trinity.
John S.
Well, since I am an Obama supporter it is only natural that I pre-emptively declare victory for myself…
jake
Waaaaaay out in Fringeville it means live and let live provided you never say/do/think anything I find disagreeable.
Sound familiar?
Conservatively Liberal
The names on the checks they cashed that led to the checks Hillary and Bill wrote that their asses can’t cash now.
Rome Again
POTD! :)
Rome Again
“Ummm… it’s on the tip of the tongue… wait… let me guess… uhhh, Re… Re… Re…. Re – umm… Re… Republican?”
The Moar You Know
Hate to disappoint you, Rome, but no. She’s a longtime Hillary supporter/booster/jihadist, willing to give her life for the cause of all things Hillaricious, but she is most assuredly not a Republican.
She’s over at MyDD these days because she was either asked to leave, or tossed from, the GOS.
Delia
According to Olbermann’s crew, Clinton’s staff was so dismayed after last night they had to get the eight Senators who are Hillary’s top supporters to stage an intervention in order to persuade her to stand down. Theory is, the Clintons as a team are so worked up they can’t see straight, to put it nicely.
And I’ll go to gracious mode after I see the actual endorsement.
Meanwhile, No IQ is up and running again. No video yet, but Susan has posted a group photo from 2004 featuring Michelle Obama and Mrs. Farrakhan in the same frame, and Larry’s making more claims about his vid. The thread’s incredibly racist and vile. No mention of the Sun Goddess’s projected abdication.
Rome Again
Oh Gosh, sorry if I enlarged the paper to text ratio, didn’t mean to. Apologies! :(
Conservatively Liberal
If Hillary is gone and out of the race completely, it would be interesting in 2010 to compare the contributions to the Clinton Foundation from 2004 to 2009 and see if they tapered off by any significant amount.
I bet they will.
Adam
I’m a sucker for sports metaphors. We could also say that Obama won Game 7 and made it to the finals.
If Jeralyn is throwing in the towel that graciously, that’s a sign that people will come around. There were always people on both sides who were going to be intransigent and start trouble if the other candidate was nominated.
They don’t represent the party — you vote for principles and agenda, not a person. Voting for a candidate doesn’t mean anything unless you talk about the thing behind the candidate — but once you talk about that, you’re no longer talking about the candidate but the things that you believe in. So the only question now is: do you believe in what John McCain represents, or do you believe in what Barack Obama represents? Many of us were Edwards supporters or Dodd supporters, but that’s not where we’re at anymore.
The holdouts can’t do anything now but leave, so let’s not play that game, huh?
The olive branch is out there. That’s the right way to do it. It’s game time. We’re here to win and to fix things, not apologize for what we believe. We’ve done that enough.
Rome Again
I’m fully aware she used to be on Kos, that does not absolutely nullify the possibility she is a Republican plant.
Rome Again
Apparently you didn’t read the comments on Jeralyn’s post.
They are not coming around, they are looking toward 2012.
Delia
This and that
The Moar You Know
Since 2004? You’re talking “sleeper cell”, deep-cover, CIA-type material. Believe whatever gets you through the night but that’s a little lunatic fringe for my taste, personally.
Adam
I mentioned that.
(a) Compared to the comments there two weeks ago, that’s an Obama love-fest.
(b) People have been flocking to TalkLeft for a while based on their hatred of Obama, not their agreement with Jeralyn or BTD, though both have fanned the flames (or just let them burn) at times.
The comments there are just a bunch of semi-anonymous Internet folks in an echo-chamber. The bellwethers are the people accountable for what they say, Jeralyn and BTD, who both said some pretty crazy things in the last few months but have been doing a furious walkback in recent days.
We don’t need to kowtow to the serious deadenders. All we need is for a good portion of the Clinton supporters to accept the olive branch, not every single one. The fact that Jeralyn’s taking such a conciliatory position before Clinton even concedes indicates to me that reasonable people can be won back effectively as long as Clinton doesn’t drive the wedge deeper.
It’s good news.
Conservatively Liberal
I thought she was one of the ringleaders in the ‘writers strike’ at Kos.
I read the thread at TL that Jeralyn posted about supporting Obama, and it looks like she is the lone voice of reason over there. Almost all of the comments are ‘no way I’m voting for Obama’. Jeralyn helped to walk them to the edge of the ledge, but they are not going to follow her back off of it.
That’s what happens when you surround yourself with crazies and somehow regain your sanity right before the big jump. She is going to have a big fight on her hands if/when she tries to retake her blog from the loonies. I wonder if anyone who donated to her during her recent fund raising drive for the site will ask for their money back.
Probably. Oh well, if you lie with the dogs, you get their fleas, lice and ticks.
w vincentz
Adam,
How about this sports metaphor?
Belmont Stakes, Sat June 7,
Big Brown breaks from the rail, holds off ALL challenges and triumps over the mile and a half course, winning by ten lengths.
Big Brown takes the triple crown!
Rome Again
I was just reading last night about the Preakness and how Obama put money on Big Brown and Hillary put money on Eight Belles and how Eight Belles going down and needing to be euthanized was a sign of things to come. The origin of the name Eight Belles is interesting.
Josh
Rome Again…Where did you find that story?
Adam
Sounds like a plan to me:
1. “Let’s go, guys! Go! Go! Here we go!”
2. [holds back while everyone else goes]
3. Oh, too bad, now I get all your stuff.
Delia
They’re not calming down at No IQ. They’re getting worse.
Rome Again
She was!
She seems to be a minority.
Adam
Fine for the general, but doesn’t encapsulate the winning-the-primary story, which as far as history’s concerned, will end up being important…
I was going to go with tied at halftime/big halftime comeback, but it’s a different opponent now, so it seemed like Game 7/Finals was more appropriate.
Of course, there’s a long history of hard-fought semifinals followed by lopsided finals… it’s kinda why I lost interest in the NBA, for example…
Rome Again
The story about Barack betting on Big Brown and Hillary voting on Eight Belles? On a silly end-times religious newsletter I read sometimes for the heck of it complete with references at the bottom.
It’s called “The Last Trumpet” by David Meyer, (Google it).
Just Some Fuckhead
Well, of course they are. She told them they had the most votes, weren’t counting some of her delegates and she’d keep fighting for them and do what they wanted (which is stay in the race).
Then the next day, the party leaders got together and are forcing her out. Her supporters have every right to be jacked up, and Hillary deserves all the fucking blame.
Andrei
In looking at the TalkLeft.com commenters and watching John Cole pitch a fit these last few months, I do think one thing needs to be pointed out about this whole sordid situation…
Hillary is 61 years old, right? If I were her, and I saw a guy as dynamic, passionate, vibrant, competent… yadda yadda yadda… as Barack Obama, you have to consider that if Barack turns out to be the kind of President we all hope he is, then he’s going to be in there for 8 years. Hillary’s next shot would *not* be in 2012, it would be in 2016 when she is 69.
All one has to do is look at John McCain to see how well it works out when you run that close to being 70 years old. It’s not easy, nor pretty, nor is it at all the same as when you are 60. In other words, this is probably it for her. She fought so hard, tooth and nail, and all that, because I think she had to if she ever wanted a real shot at it. For better or worse.
Not justifying, condoning her behavior or tactics or whatever… But it is something to consider to provide subtext to what has been transpiring the last few months.
I truly believe this coming Friday really is the last we’ll see of the Clintons in the forefront of politics in this country. It’s going to be over for real this time, and if we’re lucky, Jeb Bush will never get a shot at the White House ever due to the grubbing the GOP is about to take in the general election.
I fully expect Hillary to tear up during her speech on Friday as it becomes real for her that this is it, and I probably will as well since this political era, the one from 1988 to 2008, will finally be over.
w vincentz
Rome Again,
Thanks for the origin of Eight Belles.
The filly that finished behind Big Brown in the Preakness was a beauty. She had stature (17 hands) and a no-quit spirit. She was loved, especially by her trainer, Larry Johnson, and her owners, and all the stable hands.
When she broke down with two fractured cannon bones a quarter mile past the finish line, it was heart breaking.
Eight Belles ran her heart out.
Her death has been a topic with PETA and their continued attacks on thoroughbred horse racing.
So, may Eight Belles RIP. She was valliant to the end.
Rome Again
w vincentz, I was not writing anything derogatory regarding the horse. I love the Triple Crown and can be found watching it every year except the last two due to my being too busy with another situation and forgetting to turn on the races. I grew up on racetracks, I was saying ‘Go Horsy” at the age of three. I never meant to disparage the horse truly, I love all non-toxic animals, and horses are no exception.
The Grand Panjandrum
My point is that our candidate won. What the Clinton supporters do is up to them. We have no control over how they comport themselves. What we do have control over is how we conduct ourselves. Let Clinton and her supporter grieve. Bigger fish are waiting to be fried. We will certainly have time to welcome myiq and the other Clinton supporters back into the fold. Let them have the GBCW moments they need. They’ll come around when McCain starts singing “Bomb, Iran” again. John McCain is the target. Cottage cheese in a lime jello mold, as it were.
A Different JC
Thanks Woodrow “asim” Jarvis Hill for that clip from the View. Wow. John, you should post the video when it’s postable, because I found it amazing that all those high-powered women were unanimous in rejecting Hillary as VP.
Also, for people with View knowledge, is the blonde woman a Republican? If so, I found it fascinating that she was the one repeating the “most votes of any candidate” canard of the Clinton camp.
Rome Again
But she’ll only be 64 in 2012 and she can afford face lifts (almost required for all famous women with millions in their bank account).
::cue the Beatles! – “When I’m 64”::
Adam
Now even Taylor Marsh is joining the walkback, albeit cautiously.
It’s over.
JGabriel
A Different JC:
Yes.
That clip was kind of irritating, in that no one contradicted her assertion that Clinton won the most votes. Other than that, it was pretty interesting.
Hopefully, someone will send Whoopi a link to fivethirtyeight.com so can correct the record next imte around.
.
A Different JC
Thanks, dude.
Rick Taylor
Or back to 1803 to cancel the Louisiana purchase.
Just Some Fuckhead
That means Bill Clinton would have been born in New France. I can live with that.
empty
Well, we used to be Bugeaters. I think I prefer Cornhusker.
jake
Bwahahaha!
Les Awesomes.
Brachiator
But she is a loser. She lost. Her main accomplishment now is that she failed to win the Democratic Party nomination.
She’s not Jesus Christ. Does anyone really think that her campaign is going to resurrect on the 3rd day?
I told you people that I would believe it when I saw it. But now I tire of this Lucy/Charlie Brown bullshit:
I promise I’m going to concede! Ooops. I lied, sucker. Maybe next time.
Sorry. The only thing that matters here now is Clinton’s unconditional surrender. If she wants to talk about the issues that are important to her, she should do so as a Senator, not as the pretender to the nomination.
Until she concedes, releases her delegates, begins to actively campaign for Obama, and implores her supporters to move to the Obama camp, she is nothing more than a pathetic nuisance making a fool of herself. Full mockery rules apply until she capitulates.
Clinton and her supporters whine about supposed sexism, but behave like a bunch of weak sisters who are going to succumb to the vaports if they are not treated like frail little flowers.
Imagine if in the 1860s, General Roberta E. Lee told General Eula S. Grant, “Well, I just don’t know if I can surrender today. I have to ask my supporters to send me a telegraph asking me what I should do. Come back in about 3 days and I will tell you whether I am ready to surrender or if I might just suspend hostilities for a spell. Oh, fiddle dee dee, I just don’t know what to do. But I really commend you on kicking my ass.”
But even a Eula S. Grant’s reply would be direct and to the point: “I said, unconditional surrender, asshole.”
The loser does not dictate the terms. Ever. Apparently, Clinton is further subverting her own VP dreams by definitively demonstrating that she does not know how to give up, and does not know how to make her own wishes subservient to that of the presidential nominee, Obama, or the Democratic Party platform.
A Different JC
100% right, Brachiator. Hillary is – as should now be familiar – unbelievably selfish. Even Rudy Giuliani bowed out with more dignity.
crw
You know how Hills could get some credibility back with me? If she conceded Mitt Romney style. Something like:
“If I continued to Denver, I would be aiding and abetting war crimes.”
Not gonna happen, of course. But if she used her concession to rip the Republicans a new one it would make up for a lot.
A Different JC
Also, is Obama invited to the Saturday rally promoting “unity”? If Obama ain’t at the rally, then it’s still just about her, no?
And, if you see the Times story, it seems to have taken Walter MFing Mondale to tell her to stop the silliness:
Wow, when the running mate of Carter, and the biggest loser in the American presidential history has to tell you are being a loser…
handy
OK, but that Armando…now we both know that HE is definitely a plant. Am I right or am I right or am I right?
Or am I right?
No?
OK, sawwy.
zoe from pittsburgh
I think it’s sad that the night that Obama officially won the nomination– breaking all kinds of historical and cultural barriers– was spent focusing inordinately on Hillary’s faux victory speech.
Hillary had an opportunity to really shine, to be gracious, to have an inspirational speech about the importance of a united party, of democratic values– but she didn’t.
Ironically, if she HAD done so it might have given some in the party who have lingering doubts about Obama a moment of PAINFUL LAST MINUTE DOUBT. Because Hillary sees the big picture, she’s magnanimous, and that it’s not just about HER. If she really wanted to stick it to the party she should have behaved incredibly gracefully PRESIDENTIAL— instead she gave people one more reason to believe that Obama was the better choice.
While I think that Obama’s supporters should have a place to vent about her last few days of trying to fight for the spotlight– we should also get over it. Quickly. Make it your mission to be KIND to Hillary supporters. They lost. There is no dignity in rubbing it in their faces; it also doesn’t help Obama win.
The game is officially on. There are two teams. Choose one. Fight. Repeat until November.
Conservatively Liberal
Nuggets from someone named “Kostner” at the turd mine known as Hillaryis44:
Time to play “Where’s Waldo”. Can anyone point out the obvious errors in this post?
Teh st00p1d burns. Here is “Kostner” posting about Ted Kennedy:
and
This post by the same person is a dead giveaway of their political affiliation:
And
Republican Ratfucker hard at work. His advice to the poor Hillary supporters?
If any Hillary supporters follow this pied piper, they deserve to get fucked over.
zoe from pittsburgh
That’t the truly bizarre part about all of this– how many “hillbots” are REAL Hillary supporters and not just “Operation Chaos” operators? What if blogs like CB have become the GOP’s special version of Second Life?
zoe from pittsburgh
(oops, cut off)
What if hillaryis44 is really a GOP-made creation designed to help McCain win? Maybe just some geeky right-wing college students who are conducting an experiment?
A Different JC
I should make at least my statements clear. When I attack Hillary (specifically Hillary’s behavior) I am only talking about her. Not her supporters. I have nothing but affection, and sympathy, to Hillary supporters who will (eventually) vote for the Democratic ticket in Novemeber.
It is weird, though, that an attack on Hillary should be considered an attack on her supporters. They are two different entities. And I want to make a rule, a pledge, maybe a cute symbol to put on top of each posting, that an attack on Hillary (based on her shameless, disturbing behavior) should be seen as that alone.
Brachiator
You’ve got it backwards. It is Hillary and her supporters who have to get over it. Quickly.
Again, some are trying to make a political campaign into some kind of diva-fest psychodrama, apparently because Hillary and many of her supporters are women, while simultaneously decrying the sexist way that Hillary supposedly was treated.
But no one suggested that Huckabee’s supporters needed a period to mourn their loss, or that anyone had to tread carefully lest Mitt Romney’s supporters feel that their faces were rubbed in it.
No, it was, “McCain is the nominee. Get on board the train.”
Meanwhile, McCain isn’t simply letting Clinton supporters have time to sort out their feelings (McCain reaches out to disgruntled Clinton supporters):
While Clinton is pouting in her tent like an Achilles, McCain is actively encouraging her supporters to defect.
Clinton needs to put a stop to it. And her supporters need to stop acting like nervous nellies at a prom, and behave like grown men and women in the midst of a political campaign that can reshape years of wrongheaded domestic and foreign policy.
Fixed.
Conservatively Liberal
That is the danger that Hillary ignored. She has entangled her supporters with the Operation Chaos players and other freelancing wingnuts, probably for the noise advantage the loudmouths would give her campaign. In doing so, she has made it impossible to really tell who is a hard core supporter and who is a ratfucker. If anything, Hillary has weakened the voices of her real supporters by allowing this environment to thrive and develop.
That is one great thing about Obama, the right hates him so much that it wouldn’t occur to them to join up with his campaign to sabotage it from inside. They may hate Hillary, but she ain’t Obama. They despise him, and have flocked to her because they see her as the weaker candidate.
The quality of a Democratic presidential candidate is easily detected by the level of rancor from the right. Using that as a measure, it is clear that Obama is a fine candidate. The right are scared shitless of him, to the point of supporting Hillary. That’s scared. ;)
They will argue otherwise, but cruising the comments sections of the right wing sites shows that they are afraid. Afraid that their inner racists are going to come out of the woodwork.
Good. I want to see them stand up and be counted. As Republicans.
I like to think that I am in a subset of one team, and we are known as ‘Special Teams’. When the need arises, we get to do the dirty dancing so others can keep their hands clean.
Until the former First Lady sings her swan song, we keep dancing. But I will exercise a bit more caution about who I choose to ‘dance’ with. ;)
Once she finishes singing, the music stops. But it better be a real pretty song or the music will start right back up, and we won’t be the ones who crank it back up.
John
I’ve done an informal survey of the leading pro-Hillary blogs that I’m aware of, to see how they’re taking the defeat.
On the side of total gibbering insanity, we have (not too surprisingly) No Quarter and Hillary Is 44, both of which are hilariously worthless. Hillary is 44 has infamously demanded when Obama will concede. Larry Johnson is continuing to sort of push his stupid “Michelle Obama Whitey tape” scandal, and there’s a whole ton of obnoxious other shit there, as well.
Corrente is in a state of somewhat more contemplative insanity, but seems nonetheless on the loony side of the spectrum – lots of wondering why Clinton has to concede now, and such.
Taylor Marsh, perhaps not too surprisingly, does seem to be the Limbaugh of the left. Pretty quick acceptance that Obama is the nominee and going on the attack against McCain. All the insanity is certainly not forgiven, though.
Talk Left seems also to be dealing with the pain. I’m not sure how to interpret Armando, who’s claimed for months now that he supports Obama, but Jeralyn seems to be reaching the acceptance stage – although still some weird ideas, like how it’d be a slap in the face for Obama to pick another woman as his running mate.
My DD has reached a point where it is no longer evident that they were ever a pro-Clinton site at all – Armstrong is not posting too much, and Beeton jumped ship a while ago, I think (after Indiana/North Carolina?)
I’m not going to look at the comments. One assumes there’s still a lot of dead enders at all those places (I did see a commenter at No Quarter noting that s/he’d just come over from Taylor Marsh, because Marsh had become an apostate to the cause.) But are there really that many of them?
I give it two weeks or so and pretty much everyone will be pretty fully back in the fold. It’ll be tricky dealing with the VP thing, but I think time is against the “dream ticket” – after a few weeks, most people won’t really care if Clinton’s the running mate. Rendell points the way forward on that – Clinton can’t blackmail Obama into making her his running mate.
I assume the Hillary is 44 people will never give up, and Larry Johnson’s just a lunatic, but I think we’ll see a pretty big swell of unity over the next few weeks.
A Different JC
Thanks for the report. It’s good to hear that things may calm down soon.
I’m sorry to hear, though, the concept that a female VP is a slap to the face or whatever of the Clinton supporters. A true feminist, I’d wager, would support a qualified female VP.
SamFromUtah
That is one great thing about Obama, the right hates him so much that it wouldn’t occur to them to join up with his campaign to sabotage it from inside.
I wonder if there aren’t Republican ratfuckers posing as ultra-obnoxious Obama supporters online, though, to try to make Obama look bad. There was some discussion along these lines over at Sadly, No! It amuses me to think that the big Obot vs. Hillarhoid scrap is really just two different groups of ratfuckers snarling at each other with no actual Democrats involved. Pretty soon maybe that’s what it will really be.
Conservatively Liberal
I have no doubt that there are Obama ratfucks, but I think they are far outnumbered by the Hillary ratfucks. I think their focus was to boost Hillary because they too thought that she was going to win it.
I think the right will move more ratfucks over to the Obama camp now in an attempt to tie their acts to Obama. They tried to stay ‘on message’ while ‘supporting’ Hillary, but as her chances dropped their inner wing nut came out.
It would be funny if it came out that not only did the right trash their chances this fall, but they trashed Hillary in trying to save themselves.
Rick Taylor
Via Americablog, Fineman reported this was what people close to Clinton were saying; don’t you dare choose a woman for a VP if you’re not choosing Hillary. Frankly I think that’s extremely sexist.
Conservatively Liberal
Yes it is, but an even bigger problem is that they are trying to put Obama in a lose-lose-lose situation. If Obama wants another woman, they hate him for it. If he puts a man in, they hate him for it. Only giving their girl the spot will pacify them, and yet Obama still loses if he does not want her on the ticket in the first place.
If I was Obama, I would drag the VP process out as long as possible. The further we get from today, the more people will see that Hillary is not a viable choice for Obama as VP. As passions cool, reason will set in with most of her supporters. Her more ardent supporters will be able to be better reasoned with, so if Obama finds a truly top notch candidate then they will be more likely to accept his choice.
loquacious mute
“BREAKING NEWS”
On Saturday Senator Hillary Clinton will be endorsing Barack Obama from Vice President Cheney’s Bunker. Hillary believes this really demonstrates she is ready to serve as Vice President on day one.
Rick Taylor
Friday would have been the 40th anniversary of Bobby Kennedy’s death; maybe it’s better she waited one extra day.
jake
I’m very nice to my mother, but she never called me a sexist pig because I preferred Obama.
I propose we stick to the normal rules for interaction on the Intertoobz. Dickwads get treated like dickwads. Non-dickwads are not treated like dickwads.* Interactions that require the amount of finesse needed to soothe what might be a non-dickwad who is acting like a dickwad because his feelings are hurt and his candidate lost should be conducted in a non-electronic environment.
See how easy that is?
*SRA, NVWOO, YMMV
Conservatively Liberal
Someone over at Kos posted that Hillaryis44 is for sale, $900.00. I don’t know if it is true, but I wouldn’t give a plugged nickel for the dive.
Matt XIV
Forget Taylor Marsh and Talk Left, for hair pulling and gnashing of teeth at it’s finest go to Hillary’s official blog.
Her latest blog entry has over 1251 comments and just about all of them are anti-Obama rants. It’s an ocean of misery except for the occasional ray of sunshine with some kind words for Hillary and that champion of Democratic Party principles, John McCain. They just love the old bastard over there so much that the only ones who are saying they’ll vote in November are voting for him.
Link
Funny, you’d think a Democrats official site wouldn’t be a place to openly promote Republicans for President. I guess it shows what a uniter Hillary is.