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Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
Teach a man to fish, and he’ll sit in a boat all day drinking beer.
When someone says they “love freedom”, rest assured they don’t mean yours.
Accused of treason; bitches about the ratings. I am in awe.
Imperialist aggressors must be defeated, or the whole world loses.
I’d like to think you all would remain faithful to me if i ever tried to have some of you killed.
Russian mouthpiece, go fuck yourself.
Today’s GOP: why go just far enough when too far is right there?
This blog will pay for itself.
Republican obstruction dressed up as bipartisanship. Again.
Hot air and ill-informed banter
Republicans in disarray!
They’re not red states to be hated; they are voter suppression states to be fixed.
Fuck the extremist election deniers. What’s money for if not for keeping them out of office?
We cannot abandon the truth and remain a free nation.
Prediction: the GOP will rethink its strategy of boycotting future committees.
Something needs to be done about our bogus SCOTUS.
Second rate reporter says what?
Tick tock motherfuckers!
Wow, you are pre-disappointed. How surprising.
Republicans don’t want a speaker to lead them; they want a hostage.
Shallow, uninformed, and lacking identity
“Squeaker” McCarthy
Come for the politics, stay for the snark.
Incompetence, fear, or corruption? why not all three?
Crusty Dem
ARRRGGGHHH!!
Sorry, too much Larry Johnson talk.
Please, no more special agent Flowbee..
Eural Joiner
Just picked up “Boom Blox” for the Wii and it is the best thing I have ever seen for game system. If you don’t have it get it! It’s a fantastic party game (up to four can play at one time) and it has 20-30 variation games in just the “Play” section alone. On top of that I can’t keep my kids out of the “Create” section which is basically like a super-animated Lego playground (with explosions). We’ve played it non-stop for a week and haven’t even touched the “Story” part of the game yet.
It truly is crazy awesome cool!
Crusty Dem
Thanks for the rec, Eural. I’d pretty much be willing to stab myself in the neck to get the kids to play something besides “Super Mario Galaxy” (which is pretty awesome for the first ~40 hrs or so, but starts to lose it’s luster after all the songs have been completely etched on your auditory cortex).
Jeffrey
Something’s been bugging me about the anti-Obama nutters (sorry, Crusty Dem). I get why they might not like Barack Obama, but why do they hate Michelle Obama so much? What did she ever do to them? Was her “for the first time in my life I’m proud to be an American” line that offensive? Is it some bizarro combination of racism and sexism? I don’t understand it.
Wilfred
I’m not feeling very well either.
Krista
Awesome ep of BSG last night. Don’t worry John — I won’t spoil it for you. But…wow.
Jake
I’m debating whether or not to watch HRC’s speech. I think it could be piles of awful.
rob!
i’ve been waiting for months for this, no way am i missing it!
11am-Noon: Longest Hour Ever.
John S.
If any of her recent speeches serve as a model, yes.
Considering that she has to walk the line between the crazies who still think she’ll be president and are whipped into a frenzy and the majority of the party leadership and Democratic voters who simply want to beat McCain in November, at the very least it will be interesting.
John S.
Any wagers on whether she plugs her website and begs for more donations to nowhere?
cleek
Mario Kart is great fun – especially after a couple bottles of wine.
jake
Bird Nerd Alert:
Saw a Baltimore Oriole in the compost pile this morning. I sat around for an hour hoping it would come back, then I realized that it’s probably sitting in its air conditioned nest and laughing at the sweat-soaked biped.
It’s hotter than that secret tape of the HRC orgy outside.
Jake
I’m sensing weeks of Clinton/VP? talk coming up that’s likely to drive me to madness.
D-Chance.
RIP, Jim McKay.
:(
Nick
Jeffrey Says:
It’s even better, because her actual words were “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.” Removing the “really” changes what she says. Sadly, every video I’ve seen of his speech just happens to have an “audio glitch” over that word… Makes the conspirator theorist in me think something else is the cause at times…
Daniel Koffler
Feminism demands nothing less than the most deplorable campaign of racist, sexist character assassination 21st century media can produce. Ask LJ and SusanUnPC, they’ll fill you in. Ask Jeralyn, Taylor Marsh, and Armando, they’ll tell you about how the real problem re: disgusting attacks on Michelle O. is the way Hillary and her supporters have been treated.
nightjar
I’ve come to expect from her something on the order of this.
HRC’s opening line:
I am fully supporting Barrack Obama because he’s smart and probably not a Muslim.
Krista
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“…as far as I know.”
Dennis - SGMM
Rush Limbaugh, broadcasting from Planet Oxycontin, offers McCain some sage advice:
Go, Rush, go!
WASHINGTON DC (CNN) — A new poll suggests that President Bush is the most unpopular president in modern American history.
nightjar
Yes. Fixt.
Dennis - SGMM
Mrs. Clinton went on to state that she had not yet seen the Michelle Obama “Get Whitey” video tape.
Joe Max
Are you guys going to keep this regurgitating of Clinton’s old campaign anecdotes alive forever? If you want to keep alienating her followers and thereby throwing the election, keep it up. If a significant portion of those followers stay home in November, Obama loses.
Or is it just so satisfying to keep twisting the knife that it doesn’t matter if Obama loses to McCain, so long as he stopped that ball-crushing bitch!
Your man won. How about you start behaving like the Magic Unifying Ponies you claim to be?
krusher
When Madam Clinton asked people to e-mail her with suggestions about what they thought her next move should be, I did. Yesterday I received an e-mail from Maggie Williams, Hillary Clinton for President. This e-mail had a big ol “Hillary for President” logo on it.
The body of the e-mail is short, so I’ll include it below. Looks to me like it’s going to be, again, all about Hillary.
“I have been honored and privileged to work with so many dedicated people on Hillary’s historic campaign. Your enthusiastic commitment to her campaign through the primaries has been inspirational.
As you know, Hillary will be holding an event tomorrow in Washington D.C. to thank all of her supporters, to express her support for Senator Obama, and to talk about the issues that have been at the core of her public service, the issues she will continue fighting for.
Hillary wanted to make sure her online supporters were a part of this special event, just as you have been a part of her campaign from the very beginning. So, we will be streaming it live over the website at HillaryClinton.com.”
DonnaInMichigan
Hillary Clinton and her goodbye tour..
Everyone, listen not to what she says today, but what SHE doesn’t say…
She will say, she is “supporting Obama”.
However “endorsing” is not going to pass her lips.
She will say, she is suspending her campaign.
However, she is NOT ending it.
And she will make darn sure to use sibliminal messages to her supporters….i.e, we have to gather around our Democrat Party, blah blah blah, unite as one, blah blah blah…but she will NOT say, “We as democrats have to unite around our nominee, Barak Obama.
Mark my words….Clinton is going to sit back and wait for something bad to happen to Obama.
cbear
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Aw crap, that sucks.
He always struck me as such a thoroughly decent human being.
RIP indeed.
jake
No shit. But this is a good career move for The Chemically Turgid One. He really needs a Democrat in the White House to give him a fresh set of rants.
Kali's Irritated Little Sister
I dread hearing today’s concession(?) speech, but I dare not look away. If she hedges her support, my distrust will bloom into full-fledged hatred. However, if she is as saccharine sweet as she has been at various times along the campaign, I will still expect her to flip in the future.
It is just this miserable, breath-holding agony that keeps me away from horror movies. I can only see her as a ghoul, haunting this process in pursuit of some inexplicably fiendish conceit.
Dennis - SGMM
Other than the occasional Cintonista looking for some drive-by victimization, I doubt that a significant portion of her followers know that this blog exists.
w vincentz
Mrs. Clinton WUZ da “whitey”. She got getted.
nightjar
Astronomers worldwide are reporting Planet Oxycontin and it’s sister Planet Wingnut orbiting one another whilst hurdling themselves toward a Galaxy far, far away.
passerby
Something’s troubling me about MCain’s candidacy:
–He was virtually invisible in the media and debates last year but abruptly becomes what’s called the “presumptive” nominee.
–While Hill and Barack are duking it out, he’s rolling around on his all-about-me tours drawing only tepid interest from the media and at the events themselves. A real dud, no energy or excitement.
–On June 3 rd, an intense media day, presumably so as not to be left out, he presents a speech
———in a small venue,
———in front of a nursing home crowd,
———in a New Orleans suburb that didn’t flood from Katrina
———in front of a green backdrop
———despite the 3 weeks he has to prepare for the speech his delivery was beyond pathetic (he’s a poor orator but come on, watch the last line of the speech where even 6 year olds know to end on an upbeat)
There’s too much wrong (wrong in every aspect) to think it was NOT intentional…what’s going on here…
A few days ago, more for fun, I suggested a probable reality that had Hill switch to the GOP, since her minions were swearing to support McCain, and run on the as VP.
I gotta believe that this race, being the highest level of politics for what has bee the most powerful seat on the planet, is run by those who know how to win it.
This is why the resurrection of McCain as presumptive nominee for GOP doesn’t add up. Something’s afoot.
fishy,fishy
T
Joe Max
What you’re posting in this blog is a microcosm of what I see all over the Obama supporting blogs, from the Great Orange Satan on down. It makes an impression on the greater public perception, in particular with Clinton’s followers who are extremely sensitive to being shit on right now. Call it the “trickle up” theory.
And you didn’t address the point: are Obama’s followers going to continue slamming Clinton and her supporters, or are you going to follow your candidate’s lead and try to unify the Party? Step one in that process: stop bashing Clinton for things she said months ago. The primary is over, your man won. Show some class and common sense, and let’s all win in November.
cleek
the things she said months ago are still having effects.
and, she hasn’t actually conceded yet, has she ?
The Moar You Know
Please God no. He’s “helped” enough.
Kali's Irritated Little Sister
why do they hate Michelle Obama so much?
Lack of defense for Michelle is evidence that contradicts the idea that support for Hillary is about feminism. A second refutation is the chilling declaration that no other woman will be acceptable as VP.
A campaign about women’s empowerment and rights? Your doing it wrong!
Dug Jay
It looks like Obama has more than a little problem with a couple of members of his just-appointed Veep Selection Committee. Today’s WSJ notes that longtime DC/Democratic power broker, Jim Johnson, has more than a few problems. He was the biggie at Fannie Mae and deeply involved in questionable loan practices, including numerous personal loans he recieved from Angelo Mozilo, CEO of infamous Countrywide Financial Corporation, sort of the Enron of mortgage lending.
Additionally, another member, a former deputy head of the Clinton Justice Department, Eric Holder, was point man on some of Clinton’s more infamous end-of-presidency pardons, including a couple of members of the Weather Underground; additionally, according to congressional reports, Holder was up to his eyeballs in Clinton’s controversial pardon of Marc Rich, the international crooked scumbag who fled the US 20 years ago.
passerby
ARRGH! twilight zone formatting.
T
w vincentz
passerby,
There are some others on the net that also think there’s something “fishy”. Talk is that if Bush/Cheney can initate a war with Iran in the Fall, a “national emergency” will be declared and the elections will be cancelled.
Don’t look for these ratfucks to give up their power. They’ve gotten themselves and their cronies quite wealthy also. And, more scarey, they still control the military.
John S.
That all depends on Hillary.
As of this moment, she has refused to concede defeat and officially support Obama’s bid for the presidency. When she and her supporters signal that their quixotic quest has ended and are ready to unify the party, then we can all go about the business of doing so.
cleek
such talk is silly, and comes around every single election, regardless of who’s in power.
John S.
Oh my!
I also read that Obama’s gardener smokes marijuana and his next door neighbor’s cleaning lady is from Mexico!
Krista
Look, friend. We’re trying here, okay? But let me tell you some plain truths. Wounds aren’t instantly healed. Clinton’s supporters AND the Clinton campaign managed to strew a lot of shit around the playing field. The “Obama is a Muslim” bullshit, the flag pin bullshit, the Reverend Wright bullshit, the endorsing of McCain over Obama bullshit, and then the charming raising-the-specter-of-assassination bullshit.
Hillary’s supporters talk about how they need time to mourn, to heal, to get over this, before they can think about coming back into the fold. And yeah, our guy won, so it does behoove us to be gracious. He’s being gracious. (Although if you think he’s totally forgiven and forgotten, you’re a fool.)
But you’ll have to forgive us if it takes a little time, or if we’re not always perfectly gracious and cordial, because a lot of us are still pretty fucking angry.
So do me a favour. Don’t fucking kick me in the box over and over, and then say, “Well, because you won the fight, you should give me all the time in the world to heal my wounds, but you’re not allowed any time at all.”
Hillary’s supporters need time to come around? Well, so do we. We’re human beings, and you’ll just have to deal with that.
passerby
ooh, winner!
Joe Max
So, do you want to minimize and halt those effects, or keep them alive until November? Do you remember any of the nasty things Dean and his Deaniacs said about Kerry or vice versa? I don’t. Political memory is short, so long as it isn’t being flogged in perpetuity. It’s over, so how about getting over it?
It’s as if Obama’s supporters don’t really want to see the Party unify behind the nominee. From what I see here, you don’t want to have grievances redressed, wounds healed, the Party unified and Obama to win. What you seem to want is to simply be able to go on using Clinton as a piñata forever. Even losing the general is OK, so long as you can blame it all on the ball-busting bitch.
Dennis - SGMM
Well put, Krista. I was typing up something a bit more incendiary so I’ll let your thoughtful comment speak for me instead.
D.N. Nation
We’re going to watch a motorcade from her house to the event? Give her credit…high theatrics up until the very end.
nightjar
Please, no white Broncos.
John S.
This is moronic.
Krista nailed it already, but to put in simpler terms:
Until Hillary stops pretending she has a chance at being president and her supporters stop clinging to that belief, there can be no unification.
Stop putting all the burden on Obama (he’s been infinitely classier this entire primary season) and start putting it where it belongs.
Joe Max
Wounds don’t begin to heal until you stop picking at the scab.
I can appreciate that people on both sides are angry. So be angry, grit your teeth in your pain, but stop picking at the scab. Leave it alone and let it heal.
cleek
look around the world and think of all the people who have the power to affect the greatest number of Clinton supporters. who can best deal with the effects? who can best walk her supporters back from the state of mind where Obama, the secret gay terror-simp black-power radical with the connections to the Old Boys Club that wants to disenfranchise every woman in America? make a list. if “cleek” appears anywhere in the top 100,000,000, you’ve made a mistake somewhere. likewise, if “Hillary Clinton” isn’t right there at the very top, you’ve made a different kind of mistake. this is between her and her supporters.
that is sheer lunacy. and frankly, it sounds like you’re still looking for ways to not like Obama. and that’s your problem, not mine.
John S.
Dude, what part of the fact that she has not yet officially conceded or endorsed Obama do you not understand?
Dennis - SGMM
Shouldn’t you be over at, say, hillaryis44.com or No Quarter offering this advice?
Jake
Shocker that she’s running late for this. Shocker.
passerby
I believe this is what they want and plan but, I also believe that the tide (political, public opinionwise and international opinionwise) has turned against them making this senario impossible.
RSA
Nice. I’ve heard similar stuff said about the worst Republicans you can imagine (e.g., Jesse Helms). Who gives a shit whether some incompetent has done the best he could do, supporting him simply because he’s on your side? It’s the authoritarian mindset: loyalty trumps everything else.
Jake
Joe Max, I’d be a heckofa lot more impressed if you convinced us you were working hard over at TalkLeft to bring people back from the edge. Why don’t you go do that, and get back to us when you’re successful? Mmmmkay? Kay.
rob!
this is taking f**king forever.
i woke up this morning in an All is Forgiven Mode, but it drops down a notch with each new 15 minute delay.
cripes.
Garrigus Carraig
How do you cancel a U.S. election? Except maybe with the military, who are kinda busy right now.
Dennis - SGMM
Anyone else notice that Joe Max is the only one to refer to Clinton as a “ball-busting bitch” in comments? While we’ve been unrelenting ion our criticism of Clinton, the rhetoric usually stays fairly civil.
John S.
This is nobody else’s fault but Hillary’s:
As if this was even a major issue for Edward supporters in voting for Kerry.
nightjar
It’s just incredible you say this, after the past fews days since Hillary’s disaster speech tue. night, and subsequent musings of her campaign. If she makes an earnest effort today toward unduing the great damage she’s inflicted on Obama’s candidacy and the dem cause this November, then she and her supporters deserve a break. And the first thing she needs to do is repudiate her own remarks that only she and McCain can be CiC or prez. Till then…..
Garrigus Carraig
Right up there with the “trickle down” theory.
w vincentz
passerby,
I sure hope you’re right on this. Past practice (like lying the whole fucking nation into illegal war) does not bode well.
Yes, there will be many that protest, wish revolution if this comes to be, but an understanding of those that control the military, the state and local police, portends that the dissidents will easily be crushed. Remember Kent State.
Jake
Are there going to be helicopters following the Clinton motorcade downtown?
Garrigus Carraig
Seriously, though. I have seen policy issues trickle up from blogs to Congress, things like the U.S. Attorney scandal and the FISA fight. But bloggers’ perceptions of candidates, spreading out to the electorate at large? Not so much. Step away from the computer, amigo.
Joe Max
Hillaryis44 is and always has been a right-wing disinformation ploy, in my opinion. And you guys bought it.
No Quarter’s Larry Johnson is a nut job. There’s plenty of nut jobs on both sides.
Anti-Clinton bloggers savaged Taylor Marsh for months, and now she’s come around and is preaching unity.
I do offer exactly the same advice to Clinton followers. Any progressive Dem who would vote for McClown over Obama is barking mad. I voted for Clinton in the California primary, and how she was treated by the MSM assholes still makes me mad. But I’ve got an Obama sign in my window (right across the street from my local polling place) as I type this (my neighbor across the hall gave it to me this morning) and come payday, he’s getting some money from me. I’m hell-bent on winning in November, and I like Obama just fine. Go Obama! I think I’m being a good loser, and I’m expecting the winners to be good winners. After all, it’s easier to be a good winner.
Dennis - SGMM
Fortunately, every last person in the military takes an oath to support and defend the Constitution – not the president. If Bush tried such a thing the Republicans would become the Chicago Black Sox of American politics.
cleek
what in the world makes you think the entire military, from the Joint Chiefs all the way down to the guys with the guns, is mindlessly loyal to George W Bush ?
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
What Krista said ( you go girl ! )
That and I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but this blog is one of the snark capitals of the intertubes. Not snarking on a major political figure who has stepped in it is as hard for some of us as it is for a pro athelete to just walk away from the game after retirement day. Just give it a little time, we’ll come around eventually.
Oh and one more thing – “the speech” today is a really big deal in terms of the tone it sets. The ball is in Hillary’s court now, and she needs to hit all the right notes, particularly in being graceful and definitive. And please dear God don’t let her say anything more about how “she won the popular vote”, because that ship has sailed.
Dennis - SGMM
Considering what Bush has done to the military, not to mention what he and his Republican buddies have not done for the military, I doubt that he’d find much support for coup d’etat.
More likely he would very politely be placed under arrest to await trial.
passerby
I hope I’m right, too. Surf away from fear mongering sites. Not because they paint a pretty grim picture but, that they convinced that we’re all doomed. We are not. Everyday more and more people are gettin wise to how this prison works–thru lies–and lately, they just can’t seem to catapult their propaganda anymore.
But, yes, they can still rattle the cage they got us in.
T
w vincentz
Cleek,
He is their fucking “Commander-in-Chief”. If he can find a way to suspend the elections and retain power for himself and those whose interests he’s championed, believe me, he’ll do it.
Oh! And regarding the Constitution, you know, that little meaningless document that he’s sworn to protect and defend…yeah, that one. He’s already turned it into TOILET PAPER!
passerby
good catch of a subtle tactic.
T
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Joe,
One other point of context. Those of us who are progressive Dems have been on the losing side of virtually every campaign for our entire adult lifetimes. We’re good at that part. Winning is something we don’t have much practice at, so please cut us some slack as we’re learning on the job here.
cleek
agreed.
hopefully once Hillary officially lets her people go, the resentment between the sides will start to diffuse. right now, as i see it, she’s still in control of the situation.
BTW, she’s taking the state right now.
cleek
BTW, she’s taking the stage right now.
passerby
My family enjoyed televised sports when we were kids. And I can still see John McKay with his microphone demonstrating how Timex “takes a licking and keeps on ticking”
John McKay, thank you. RIP
T
Dennis - SGMM
As many of you know, I was born and raised in the military, in a family with a long tradition of service, and that I served myself. Unless things have changed beyond recognition, the military would never support a coup – period.
ThymeZone
Well, I wish her luck on this speech. She can go a long way to defeating John McCain in the next 20 mins.
Ben
Would someone smack wolf blitzer or whoever it was on CNN for saying that ‘clinton maybe got more of the popular vote?’ The senator from New York did not do that.
cleek
not a single one of them would be punished for disobeying an order given by a President who was trying to subvert the Constitution. his authority is not divine, it’s based in the law.
Dennis - SGMM
Ask any military person; it is as much your duty to not obey an unlawful order as it is to obey a lawful one.
D.N. Nation
Would someone please remind the Taylor Marshians that “unflattering comments” by Obama supporters on a fucking C-SPAN call-in show are hardly a reason to vote for McCain?
passerby
I don’t believe the ENTIRE miltary is mindlessly loyal to Bush and commented to that effect on the Airforce thread yesterday.
Lest we forget. Bush ordered the US military to invade and occupy a sovereign country and for what????
T
ThymeZone
From DKos.
Unity is already moving the numbers. John McCain Magoo is looking at a bone crushing defeat in 5 months.
null pointer exception
Well she endorsed him
Krista
Is it just me, or is Clinton’s speech so far rather filled with little digs about votes counting?
Motherfucker, she just said that her supporters need to support Obama, and you can hear boos from the audience.
She just endorsed him, though — but she’s gonna need to really back it up as to WHY they need to support him.
D.N. Nation
Wow. Sheer class in the Hillary crowd right now.
krusher
Lot of I’s in that speech. Where’s the Rocky theme?
D.N. Nation
Dammit, she’s trying, but the dead-enders won’t listen.
Joe Max
Clinton: I endorse and throw my entire support behind Barak Obama, the next president of the United States.
Happy now?
John S.
Ok, so I wasn’t just hearing things…
ThymeZone
This is the speech we needed. If she campaigns hard for the ticket in the fall, she will be a helluva asset.
cleek
HRC: “we need to … do everything we can to help elect Barack Obama as the next President of the United States”
cheers and boos from the crowd.
HRC: “work as hard for him as you have for me”
cheers and boos from the crowd. more boos this time.
HRC: “the Democratic party is a family”
good for her.
Krista
She is trying, but it’s going to take a long while for her hard-core supporters to start making the switch. And there are some who won’t — that’s a given. But I think she’s made a good start today.
Tom in Texas
Joe:
Yes. Yes I am.
Thank you Hillary for pointing out what this election is about. It’s not about whether racism or sexism is worse in this country — which group the media hates more or which supporters are worse. This is about saving our country from the brink of disaster.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Yes.
Joe Max
Yep, keep moving those goalposts.
null pointer exception
Hey this is a very good speech.
Dennis - SGMM
Irony just gasped, clutched its chest, and fell dead on the floor.
John Cole
Ehh- I think she is giving a good speech. She seems to mean it, too.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
A-men. I like where she’s going now too. “We can not let this moment slip away.”
John S.
Yes.
Now she has a long way to go in convincing all those ‘boos’ in the audience that voting for McCain is a mistake.
One speech after months of shit-slinging isn’t gonna do it.
And quite frankly – as usual – this speech is all about her and Bill with Obama as a note in the margin.
D.N. Nation
Joe, I’m happy. This is the speech she needed to make.
Relax, brah.
Krista
How we doing now, Joe Max? Gracious enough for you? Sorry to have made you wait all of oh…5 minutes.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
Yes, indeed we can, Senator Clinton. Welcome aboard the pony!
null pointer exception
I think there will be still be people who’d be voting for McCain instead of Obama, but I think they will be a minority.
I say let’s ignore them and tell them to go fuck themselves.
Perry Como
That collective “OH SHIT!” you just heard? That’s the Republicans.
I’d like to thank Senator Clinton for a great speech. It’s just what was needed.
D.N. Nation
I will say this- The boos seem to be geting fewer and fewer. And the “Yes We Can” was a nice touch.
ThymeZone
Her voice, as a Democrat, sounds better right now than it has in a long time, better than it did when she was a candidate. I think she is going to enjoy the upcoming fight, and be a strong asset.
Throwin Stones
LOLZ
Krista
Oh, blow it out your sphincter. You know as well as I do that if she just says she endorses him and leaves it at that, her supporters won’t buy it. She has to sell him to her supporters, and so far, I’m impressed.
John S.
Jesus, every time she says “We must help elect Barack Obama President” I think the crowd grows less and less enthusiastic.
cleek
i’m impressed.
and she keeps hammering it.
again, good for her.
D.N. Nation
“…and that is why we must help help elect Barack Obama as President!” etc., etc., etc. Heh.
null pointer exception
Heck, if I could, I would donate to her campaign after this speech.
Ben
Look, how hard would it be to seed 100 people in that crowd that just boo? There’s no reason to assume what party those people actually support.
D.N. Nation
Also, the bloodbath on Taylor Marsh is just sad. The inmates have turned on Taylor.
Joe Max
Great!
Well…
Except for that.
Krista
She just made an excellent point about how now, it’ll be unremarkable when a woman does as well as she did. And she’s right. She’s done a lot wrong in this campaign, but she won a huge victory for women by getting as far as she had, and she deserves props for that.
ThymeZone
Some of the crowd is grumpy because her speech is going over their heads, past their disappointment, to the principles and issues. Which is exactly what she needs to do, and what we need her to do.
I hope she campaigns her ass off for our team, I think she is a powerful resource for the party.
I think the people around John McCain are thinking, what the hell are we gonna do for the next 5 months? Where’s that Whitey tape?
John S.
She needs to stop with the 18 million crap.
Joe Max
That’s better! Props to you.
Desmond
Anyone else think we’ll see a major unity bounce in the polls after today?
ThymeZone
Helluva speech. I tip my cap.
John S.
“Don’t go there.”
Well done.
w vincentz
Dennis,
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the military obey his orders to invade a country that posed no iminent threat to the USA, that bought the same propaganda that was fed to the general populace? Didn’t the pentagon collude, devise plans, and implement strategy? Where, exactly, did they not participate in the genocide (i million dead, 5 million displaced Iraqis)? Seems to me that the top brass already had their opportunity to avoid actions that convict them of also being war criminals.
Note: The “I was only following orders” defense was already tried at Nuremburg. Didn’t work then, doesn’t work now. The USA set the precedent.
Throwin Stones
I’m pleasantly surprised
null pointer exception
Great speech. Hillary brings it home.
Doug H. (Fausto no more)
*applauds*
nightjar
Not bad for a first step. A little much about her, but it is largely her goodbye to her supporters.
Overall, a thumbs up from me, but not a huge thumbs up. As Krista said she has to sell Obama on a consistent basis. We’ll see.
Krista
Nicely done, Hillary. Very classy. A marvelous first step towards healing the party and kicking McCain’s ass.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Very good speech – really a pair of them interwoven, one for her and her supporters, and the other for Obama’s campaign and party unity.
She done good.
passerby
Hillary started tenuously, ended strong.
T
ThymeZone
Now we begin the enjoyable process of kicking Republican ass and taking names.
No quarter to the scaredy cats, the defeatocrats who cower before every fart that blows over from the GOP camp, the fear mongers. This election is ours to win, and we intend to win it. We have the best candidate out the entire pack that started last year, and they have a weak candidate. We have the party ID, their party is shrinking. We have the issues. We have the energy. We have the money. We even have the media right now.
Strap it on, and let’s win us some election.
D.N. Nation
There it is, Hillary bloggers. You either stand with Clinton and Obama, or you stand for the guy who’ll offer more war, less freedom, and less choice.
Your decision. Make the right one.
Perry Como
Again, congratulations to Senator Clinton and her supporters for a well fought campaign. Now, about McSame and that Keating Five thing…
Dennis - SGMM
Very good. If she’d made a complete 180 then it would not have rung true. I am guardedly optimistic. Considering what it must have cost her to be making that speech she was very gracious.
Joe Max
D.N. Nation Says:
Agreed.
ThymeZone
Tweety: She was “splendid” and “professional.”
TZ: I must say, she looks awfully good for somebody who campaigned as long and hard as she did …. and lost. She remains a powerful force in this party.
Maci: Please turn on Caillou!
Frank Lee My Dear: meow
Russert: Blah blah blah blah blah
empty
From a if not Obama-hating at least Obama-severely-disliking blog:
cleek
the “no imminent threat” thing is only truly 100% clear in hindsight. at the time, many people, and many very smart people, thought there was a threat (and sure many didn’t, including me). but in such a situation, the military isn’t going to second-guess the CiC.
but following orders to suspend elections in support of a president with 25% approval who has already shown he’s not above manipulating intelligence ? not gonna happen.
John D.
OK, time to step back a second.
“Commander-in-chief” is not “license to do anything”. Soldiers are specifically trained to refuse to follow illegal orders. And if you think that “Prevent the election from happening” is going to be viewed as legal, you’re delusional.
Tom in Texas
Taylor Marsh comes to Pajamas Media.
It’s really not all that bad an analysis. mainly excoriating the media (and Hillary’s own campaign, a rarity for Clinton supporters) rather than laying all the blame at Obama’s feet.
krusher
Mmm–Taylor Marsh–I just don’t like her persona. She seems to think she belongs to some Special Girl network and she’s really, really smug.
w vincentz
ok, maybe I’m delusional. We’ll see.
So far, since the days of the Viet nam experience to the present, I have yet to see anyone in the higher echelons of the military object, disobey, or do ANY-fucking-THING besides follow orders.
We’ll see.
Perry Como
I can wear a tinfoil hat with the best of them, but there’s a difference between the military, as a whole, going to war based on a potentially unconstitutional order, and overthrowing the government.
w vincentz
Follow up. In case you haven’t been paying attention to Israel’s intentions to launch a preemptive war against Iran, should they be found to have continued (and as yet unsubstantiated) nuclear intentions, the USA, as an ally, will become very much involved. The timing is the question.
I’m theorizing that it will be late summer or early fall.
This conflict will bring the unstability, the justification, that the Bush junta will sieze. A crisis of exactly these proportions will justify the suspension of elections. We’ll see.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
Krista owns this thread. (bows in her direction)
DonnaInMichigan
Ok, so what did Obama promise Hillary…to make her give that kind of speech?
Sorry, but you don’t go from…not giving up, to giving up…within 4 days…not for a Clinton anyway. Unless you get something that is worth it.
I am sure we will all find out soon enough.
I still do not trust her…..period.
Krista
Thank you, darling.
ThatLeftTurnInABQ
That had to be an incredibly painful speech to give under the circumstances, yet she did as much as humanly possible not to let it show. She was really tough to grit it out to do that, but in a way which shows class and dignity and benefits the party and the nation. I only counted one dog-whistle line (“18 million”) in the entire speech which I won’t hold against her, and she was very forceful in advocating for Obama.
The GOP can go change it’s Depends now.
Garrigus Carraig
Oh just stop. I’m sick of the flying streams of urine. Israel already attacked a nuclear facility in Iraq in 1981, maybe they attacked one in Syria a couple months back. It’s not a crisis for the US. It’s just not. We’re so coddled as Americans, we don’t know what an existential crisis looks like. Lemme tell ya, that ain’t it.
w vincentz
Garrigus and the other one that called me “tin-foil”…
WE’LL SEE.
Xenos
I see no reason to be nice and all about hugs and kisses given the egregious behaviour of Hillary. And who wants certifiable jerks like her in the party?
In any case, I was an Edwards guy, not Obama supporter, so while I will support the MUP in all his silly goo-goo glory, I feel no obligation to wipe the tears off your whiney, bitchy face. Maybe I am just spoiling for a fight after watching the last 40 years of corporatist Dems and Reps ruin this country, and will lash out at you as quickly as any Republican. So understand me, already! What about my needs?
In any case, why don’t you do the party a big favor and not attribute my bad manners to the Obama supporters.
w vincentz
Xenos,
Oh come on…she once said that all he had was a speech. Today, it seems that she had one as well.
Salvage whatever you can from that.
Hillary had a speech. And a danged nice one at that.
Xenos
I am overacting here, just trying to put the Clinton whining in context.
I am not much of a fan of the Clintons, but they are Democrats, and as long as they act and talk like Democrats I wish them all the success in the world. Likewise for Clinton followers. One way they have not been acting like Democrats is crediting every hostile thing said out there to Barack Obama.